On 12/17/2013 12:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.




Gotta love rec.boats. How many NFL coaches are involved in the same game
as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was?

You remember Williams, right? An NFL investigation showed that NO Saints
defensive players were being paid $1500 for taking an opposing player
out of a game.

The NFL claimed that at the time of the 2009 playoff game between New
Orleans and Minnesota, Saints captain Jonathan Vilma had a $10,000
reward for any player who hit Brett Favre hard enough so he had to leave
the game.

Your NFL heroes play dirty and take steroids, and it wouldn't be
surprising to learn that a good number of them play footsie with
professional gamblers.


Harry, there are over 1,700 active players in the NFL. How many do you
think are offered or accept bonuses to "take out" an opposing player?

Are there isolated cases of criminal like behavior? Yes, just like in
any business. Is it representative of the whole league? No way.

Just because you don't enjoy football or much of any popular sports
doesn't mean it's all bad. Just like all big businesses aren't bad.

You sure have a negative view on anything that doesn't appeal to you.

On 12/17/13, 1:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.




Gotta love rec.boats. How many NFL coaches are involved in the same game
as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was?

You remember Williams, right? An NFL investigation showed that NO Saints
defensive players were being paid $1500 for taking an opposing player
out of a game.

The NFL claimed that at the time of the 2009 playoff game between New
Orleans and Minnesota, Saints captain Jonathan Vilma had a $10,000
reward for any player who hit Brett Favre hard enough so he had to leave
the game.

Your NFL heroes play dirty and take steroids, and it wouldn't be
surprising to learn that a good number of them play footsie with
professional gamblers.


Harry, there are over 1,700 active players in the NFL. How many do you
think are offered or accept bonuses to "take out" an opposing player?

Are there isolated cases of criminal like behavior? Yes, just like in
any business. Is it representative of the whole league? No way.

Just because you don't enjoy football or much of any popular sports
doesn't mean it's all bad. Just like all big businesses aren't bad.

You sure have a negative view on anything that doesn't appeal to you.




I don't give a damn about football one way or the other. I just think it
is so very American for so many Americans to "admire" pro and semi-pro
football athletes who are not prizefighters and whose sport is full of
intentional violence aimed at injuring opposing players. That and the
drugs and the gambling... Is there really any significant difference
between the NFL and the gladiator contests of ancient Rome?

You might find this interesting:

http://tinyurl.com/pvzn7ue

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:26:23 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/17/13, 1:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.




Gotta love rec.boats. How many NFL coaches are involved in the same game
as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was?

You remember Williams, right? An NFL investigation showed that NO Saints
defensive players were being paid $1500 for taking an opposing player
out of a game.

The NFL claimed that at the time of the 2009 playoff game between New
Orleans and Minnesota, Saints captain Jonathan Vilma had a $10,000
reward for any player who hit Brett Favre hard enough so he had to leave
the game.

Your NFL heroes play dirty and take steroids, and it wouldn't be
surprising to learn that a good number of them play footsie with
professional gamblers.


Harry, there are over 1,700 active players in the NFL. How many do you
think are offered or accept bonuses to "take out" an opposing player?

Are there isolated cases of criminal like behavior? Yes, just like in
any business. Is it representative of the whole league? No way.

Just because you don't enjoy football or much of any popular sports
doesn't mean it's all bad. Just like all big businesses aren't bad.

You sure have a negative view on anything that doesn't appeal to you.




I don't give a damn about football one way or the other. I just think it
is so very American for so many Americans to "admire" pro and semi-pro
football athletes who are not prizefighters and whose sport is full of
intentional violence aimed at injuring opposing players. That and the
drugs and the gambling... Is there really any significant difference
between the NFL and the gladiator contests of ancient Rome?

You might find this interesting:

http://tinyurl.com/pvzn7ue

He should have been an English major - no drugs, no injuries, and, most importantly, no sex.

What a bitch!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:15:39 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/17/13, 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:

On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:



On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.

wrote:





His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence

are not common in baseball or

basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."



You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The

whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the

ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just

protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,

coming in at 30 feet per second.





Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the

ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the

line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,

twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when

you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off

while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,

three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and

every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the

game...



I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to

hurt someone, but I believe

most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush

the quarterback, run the ball,

tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.



Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.



John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!







Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the

players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out

to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to

them. (Paybacks are a bitch).



There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.

This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow

to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play

is just that .... bull****.









Gotta love rec.boats. How many NFL coaches are involved in the same game

as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was?



You remember Williams, right? An NFL investigation showed that NO Saints

defensive players were being paid $1500 for taking an opposing player

out of a game.



The NFL claimed that at the time of the 2009 playoff game between New

Orleans and Minnesota, Saints captain Jonathan Vilma had a $10,000

reward for any player who hit Brett Favre hard enough so he had to leave

the game.



Your NFL heroes play dirty and take steroids, and it wouldn't be

surprising to learn that a good number of them play footsie with

professional gamblers.





Harry, there are over 1,700 active players in the NFL. How many do you

think are offered or accept bonuses to "take out" an opposing player?



Are there isolated cases of criminal like behavior? Yes, just like in

any business. Is it representative of the whole league? No way.



Just because you don't enjoy football or much of any popular sports

doesn't mean it's all bad. Just like all big businesses aren't bad.



You sure have a negative view on anything that doesn't appeal to you.

Of course the fact that there was some corruption in the NFL means the entire league is dirty.

Same goes for the unions. The fact that there has been union corruption means the entire system is dirty, right?

Gotta hate how that "logic" plays out. :-)

On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:42:10 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:15:39 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/17/13, 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:

On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:



On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.

wrote:





His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence

are not common in baseball or

basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."



You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The

whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the

ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just

protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,

coming in at 30 feet per second.





Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the

ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the

line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,

twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when

you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off

while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,

three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and

every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the

game...



I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to

hurt someone, but I believe

most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush

the quarterback, run the ball,

tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.



Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.



John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!







Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the

players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out

to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to

them. (Paybacks are a bitch).



There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.

This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow

to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play

is just that .... bull****.









Gotta love rec.boats. How many NFL coaches are involved in the same game

as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was?



You remember Williams, right? An NFL investigation showed that NO Saints

defensive players were being paid $1500 for taking an opposing player

out of a game.



The NFL claimed that at the time of the 2009 playoff game between New

Orleans and Minnesota, Saints captain Jonathan Vilma had a $10,000

reward for any player who hit Brett Favre hard enough so he had to leave

the game.



Your NFL heroes play dirty and take steroids, and it wouldn't be

surprising to learn that a good number of them play footsie with

professional gamblers.





Harry, there are over 1,700 active players in the NFL. How many do you

think are offered or accept bonuses to "take out" an opposing player?



Are there isolated cases of criminal like behavior? Yes, just like in

any business. Is it representative of the whole league? No way.



Just because you don't enjoy football or much of any popular sports

doesn't mean it's all bad. Just like all big businesses aren't bad.



You sure have a negative view on anything that doesn't appeal to you.

Of course the fact that there was some corruption in the NFL means the entire league is dirty.

Same goes for the unions. The fact that there has been union corruption means the entire system is dirty, right?

Gotta hate how that "logic" plays out. :-)

Your first conclusion is obviously false. Your second is obviously true.

That's my story, and I'm sticking with it.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!