Jerry Fartwell...rolling in his grave?
 

Dec. 2 (UPI) -- The Supreme Court has refused to hear a challenge to the
president's signature health care law from Liberty University, which
attempted to overturn portions of the law's mandate involving
contraception coverage.

In declining to hear the case, Liberty University v. Lew, 13-306, the
court upheld a decision by the federal appeals court to dismiss the lawsuit.

Liberty, a Christian University, hoped to avoid the Affordable Care
Act's requirements that most employers must provide health insurance to
all its employees or face a fine, as well as complaining the requirement
for all insurance plans to include contraceptive coverage was a
violation of its religious freedoms.
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Jerry Fartwell...rolling in his grave?
 

On 12/2/13, 5:11 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 16:32:21 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Dec. 2 (UPI) -- The Supreme Court has refused to hear a challenge to the
president's signature health care law from Liberty University, which
attempted to overturn portions of the law's mandate involving
contraception coverage.

In declining to hear the case, Liberty University v. Lew, 13-306, the
court upheld a decision by the federal appeals court to dismiss the lawsuit.

Liberty, a Christian University, hoped to avoid the Affordable Care
Act's requirements that most employers must provide health insurance to
all its employees or face a fine, as well as complaining the requirement
for all insurance plans to include contraceptive coverage was a
violation of its religious freedoms.

Don't get too excited. They ducked this case because they are going to
have to hear the Hobby Lobby case. Hobby Lobby won their case in the
10th circuit. If they don't hear the case, Hobby Lobby wins.
(unlike the one you cited where the Liberty University lost)


The problem for this particular court is, if a corporation has the
rights of a person that can have political views (citizens united),
why can't it have religious views?




Oh, I'm not excited, not with the current makeup of the right-wing court
and morons like Scalia and Thomas still on it.



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Religion: together we can find the cure.

Jerry Fartwell...rolling in his grave?
 

On 12/2/13, 6:59 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:16:58 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/2/13, 5:11 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 16:32:21 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Dec. 2 (UPI) -- The Supreme Court has refused to hear a challenge to the
president's signature health care law from Liberty University, which
attempted to overturn portions of the law's mandate involving
contraception coverage.

In declining to hear the case, Liberty University v. Lew, 13-306, the
court upheld a decision by the federal appeals court to dismiss the lawsuit.

Liberty, a Christian University, hoped to avoid the Affordable Care
Act's requirements that most employers must provide health insurance to
all its employees or face a fine, as well as complaining the requirement
for all insurance plans to include contraceptive coverage was a
violation of its religious freedoms.

Don't get too excited. They ducked this case because they are going to
have to hear the Hobby Lobby case. Hobby Lobby won their case in the
10th circuit. If they don't hear the case, Hobby Lobby wins.
(unlike the one you cited where the Liberty University lost)


The problem for this particular court is, if a corporation has the
rights of a person that can have political views (citizens united),
why can't it have religious views?




Oh, I'm not excited, not with the current makeup of the right-wing court
and morons like Scalia and Thomas still on it.

You sounded like the juice was running down your leg when you posted
the top note and you wrote like it was significant.
In real life the court simply chose not to hear a losing case and
chose to hear a better one.
This one does not involve church and state, simply a corporation and
what rights they have to respect their own values.

If this was a case where a corporation did not want to hire gun owners
or smokers (both legal activities) you would support the corporation
and there are certainly more court sanctioned protections for
prospective employees than people wanting company supplied abortion or
birth control.

Of course it involves religion. Hobby Lobby is shoving its religious
beliefs onto its employees.

Jerry Fartwell...rolling in his grave?
 

On 12/2/13, 8:14 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 19:33:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/2/13, 6:59 PM, wrote:

You sounded like the juice was running down your leg when you posted
the top note and you wrote like it was significant.
In real life the court simply chose not to hear a losing case and
chose to hear a better one.
This one does not involve church and state, simply a corporation and
what rights they have to respect their own values.

If this was a case where a corporation did not want to hire gun owners
or smokers (both legal activities) you would support the corporation
and there are certainly more court sanctioned protections for
prospective employees than people wanting company supplied abortion or
birth control.

Of course it involves religion. Hobby Lobby is shoving its religious
beliefs onto its employees.


Nobody is forcing anyone to work there. This is not the steel mill
that controls a majority of jobs in a town, it is a minor retailer
that employs a minor fraction of the retail workers in that particular
strip mall and a totally insignificant part of the population as a
whole. Based on my experience with "religious" companies here, my
guess is they don't even have any employees who want this coverage.
The godly companies here are pretty particular about who they hire.
They just don't want to pay for something they will never use.



Your points are...pointless. Hobby Lobby is just another business. What
if its management decides to violate child labor laws? Would that be ok
with you?

Jerry Fartwell...rolling in his grave?
 

On 12/2/13, 9:23 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 20:22:25 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/2/13, 8:14 PM, wrote:


Nobody is forcing anyone to work there. This is not the steel mill
that controls a majority of jobs in a town, it is a minor retailer
that employs a minor fraction of the retail workers in that particular
strip mall and a totally insignificant part of the population as a
whole. Based on my experience with "religious" companies here, my
guess is they don't even have any employees who want this coverage.
The godly companies here are pretty particular about who they hire.
They just don't want to pay for something they will never use.



Your points are...pointless. Hobby Lobby is just another business. What
if its management decides to violate child labor laws? Would that be ok
with you?

Dodging again?

What the **** does child labor have to do with whether they want
insurance coverage their employees will not want. Places like this
simply will not hire people who don't think like them.

You would not last a week.


Oh...I had no idea the employees retained you to speak on their behalf.

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Religion: together we can find the cure.

Jerry Fartwell...rolling in his grave?
 

On 12/3/2013 1:35 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 22:05:55 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


What the **** does child labor have to do with whether they want
insurance coverage their employees will not want. Places like this
simply will not hire people who don't think like them.

You would not last a week.


Oh...I had no idea the employees retained you to speak on their behalf.

How many "christian" companies have you had dealings with?
Are there a lot of them in Calvert County Maryland?

There are several here and I have neighbors who work for one of the
biggest. They also go to the same church and that is where they do
most of their recruiting.

The exemption of organizations with religious objections is not
unprecedented. The Amish have an exemption from ACA.

The Amish have a legitimate reason for exemption.
I cant figger out what legitimate reason Congress and the other
exemptees could possibly have.

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Americans deserve better.

Jerry Fartwell...rolling in his grave?
 

On 12/3/13, 1:35 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 22:05:55 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


What the **** does child labor have to do with whether they want
insurance coverage their employees will not want. Places like this
simply will not hire people who don't think like them.

You would not last a week.


Oh...I had no idea the employees retained you to speak on their behalf.

How many "christian" companies have you had dealings with?
Are there a lot of them in Calvert County Maryland?

There are several here and I have neighbors who work for one of the
biggest. They also go to the same church and that is where they do
most of their recruiting.

The exemption of organizations with religious objections is not
unprecedented. The Amish have an exemption from ACA.



There are a couple of businesses I have noticed in this county that
self-identify as "christian." Whatever the exemptions Amish might have
as a religious organization are not the same as a commercial company in
the craft business might want to have.

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Religion: together we can find the cure.

Jerry Fartwell...rolling in his grave?
 

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On 12/3/13, 1:35 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 22:05:55 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


What the **** does child labor have to do with whether they want
insurance coverage their employees will not want. Places like this
simply will not hire people who don't think like them.

You would not last a week.


Oh...I had no idea the employees retained you to speak on their behalf.

How many "christian" companies have you had dealings with?
Are there a lot of them in Calvert County Maryland?

There are several here and I have neighbors who work for one of the
biggest. They also go to the same church and that is where they do
most of their recruiting.

The exemption of organizations with religious objections is not
unprecedented. The Amish have an exemption from ACA.



There are a couple of businesses I have noticed in this county that
self-identify as "christian." Whatever the exemptions Amish might have
as a religious organization are not the same as a commercial company in
the craft business might want to have.

Why now? The Amish build houses for the non-Amish. The Amish sell their jellies, jams, crafts
and other items to the non-Amish.

Jerry Fartwell...rolling in his grave?
 

On 12/3/2013 6:34 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 1:35 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 22:05:55 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


What the **** does child labor have to do with whether they want
insurance coverage their employees will not want. Places like this
simply will not hire people who don't think like them.

You would not last a week.


Oh...I had no idea the employees retained you to speak on their behalf.

How many "christian" companies have you had dealings with?
Are there a lot of them in Calvert County Maryland?

There are several here and I have neighbors who work for one of the
biggest. They also go to the same church and that is where they do
most of their recruiting.

The exemption of organizations with religious objections is not
unprecedented. The Amish have an exemption from ACA.



There are a couple of businesses I have noticed in this county that
self-identify as "christian." Whatever the exemptions Amish might have
as a religious organization are not the same as a commercial company in
the craft business might want to have.

Why would a commercial company in the craft business, want, need, or
deserve an exemption. What sets them apart from the general populous?

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Americans deserve better.

Jerry Fartwell...rolling in his grave?
 

On 12/3/13, 12:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 06:34:07 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/3/13, 1:35 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 22:05:55 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


What the **** does child labor have to do with whether they want
insurance coverage their employees will not want. Places like this
simply will not hire people who don't think like them.

You would not last a week.


Oh...I had no idea the employees retained you to speak on their behalf.

How many "christian" companies have you had dealings with?
Are there a lot of them in Calvert County Maryland?

There are several here and I have neighbors who work for one of the
biggest. They also go to the same church and that is where they do
most of their recruiting.

The exemption of organizations with religious objections is not
unprecedented. The Amish have an exemption from ACA.



There are a couple of businesses I have noticed in this county that
self-identify as "christian." Whatever the exemptions Amish might have
as a religious organization are not the same as a commercial company in
the craft business might want to have.

Then you get back to the Liberty church don't you?


The main part of Liberty University's "challenge" was as an employer,
against the employer mandate. The joint has a huge enrollment, mostly of
online students.