Nothing but assholes running Oklahoma...
 

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:17:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin (R) announced earlier this month that
state-owned National Guard facilities will no longer allow any married
couples to apply for spousal benefits, regardless of whether they are
same-sex or opposite-sex. The Supreme Court’s decision overturning the
Defense of Marriage Act means that servicemembers with same-sex spouses
are now eligible for federal benefits. Fallin’s unusual tactic is
designed to avoid having to recognize those couples, which she asserts
would violate Oklahoma’s constitutional amendment limiting marriage to
one man and one woman:

FALLIN: Oklahoma law is clear. The state of Oklahoma does not
recognize same-sex marriages, nor does it confer marriage benefits to
same-sex couples. The decision reached today allows the National Guard
to obey Oklahoma law without violating federal rules or policies. It
protects the integrity of our state constitution and sends a message to
the federal government that they cannot simply ignore our laws or the
will of the people.

A governor with balls. Gotta love it!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Nothing but assholes running Oklahoma...
 

On 11/20/2013 2:55 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:17:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin (R) announced earlier this month that
state-owned National Guard facilities will no longer allow any married
couples to apply for spousal benefits, regardless of whether they are
same-sex or opposite-sex. The Supreme Court’s decision overturning the
Defense of Marriage Act means that servicemembers with same-sex spouses
are now eligible for federal benefits. Fallin’s unusual tactic is
designed to avoid having to recognize those couples, which she asserts
would violate Oklahoma’s constitutional amendment limiting marriage to
one man and one woman:

FALLIN: Oklahoma law is clear. The state of Oklahoma does not
recognize same-sex marriages, nor does it confer marriage benefits to
same-sex couples. The decision reached today allows the National Guard
to obey Oklahoma law without violating federal rules or policies. It
protects the integrity of our state constitution and sends a message to
the federal government that they cannot simply ignore our laws or the
will of the people.

Of course it's not "the will of the people" but the will of a few
backwards idiots who refuse to acknowledge that nature produces more
than one version of life.



What version of life does a same sex couple produce?

Nothing but assholes running Oklahoma...
 

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:34:59 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:22:15 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


States rights...a concept that should have been discarded generations
ago. And why don't you tell us what percentage of a state's National
Guard funding and materiel comes from the federal government?

That is one of the founding tenets of the Constitution. The framers
had a fear that big urban states would try to impose their will on
smaller rural states and that is why every state gets 2 senators and
why they have that representation in the Electoral College.
It is natural that those urban residents resent it.
Nobody is forcing people to live in Oklahoma, Mississippi or Alabama.
They can move to California or New York if they want and many have.

Most of them have much better sense.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Nothing but assholes running Oklahoma...
 

On 11/20/13, 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:22:15 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


States rights...a concept that should have been discarded generations
ago. And why don't you tell us what percentage of a state's National
Guard funding and materiel comes from the federal government?

That is one of the founding tenets of the Constitution. The framers
had a fear that big urban states would try to impose their will on
smaller rural states and that is why every state gets 2 senators and
why they have that representation in the Electoral College.
It is natural that those urban residents resent it.
Nobody is forcing people to live in Oklahoma, Mississippi or Alabama.
They can move to California or New York if they want and many have.


You forgot it being used as a justification for segregation.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Nothing but assholes running Oklahoma...
 

On 11/20/13, 3:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/20/2013 2:55 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:17:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin (R) announced earlier this month that
state-owned National Guard facilities will no longer allow any married
couples to apply for spousal benefits, regardless of whether they are
same-sex or opposite-sex. The Supreme Court’s decision overturning the
Defense of Marriage Act means that servicemembers with same-sex spouses
are now eligible for federal benefits. Fallin’s unusual tactic is
designed to avoid having to recognize those couples, which she asserts
would violate Oklahoma’s constitutional amendment limiting marriage to
one man and one woman:

FALLIN: Oklahoma law is clear. The state of Oklahoma does not
recognize same-sex marriages, nor does it confer marriage benefits to
same-sex couples. The decision reached today allows the National Guard
to obey Oklahoma law without violating federal rules or policies. It
protects the integrity of our state constitution and sends a message to
the federal government that they cannot simply ignore our laws or the
will of the people.

Of course it's not "the will of the people" but the will of a few
backwards idiots who refuse to acknowledge that nature produces more
than one version of life.



What version of life does a same sex couple produce?



Specious argument: lots of heterosexual couples marry without any desire
to produce progeny.

Easy solution: withdraw federal support for the Oklahoma national guard.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Nothing but assholes running Oklahoma...
 

On 11/20/13, 4:14 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:03:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/20/13, 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:22:15 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


States rights...a concept that should have been discarded generations
ago. And why don't you tell us what percentage of a state's National
Guard funding and materiel comes from the federal government?

That is one of the founding tenets of the Constitution. The framers
had a fear that big urban states would try to impose their will on
smaller rural states and that is why every state gets 2 senators and
why they have that representation in the Electoral College.
It is natural that those urban residents resent it.
Nobody is forcing people to live in Oklahoma, Mississippi or Alabama.
They can move to California or New York if they want and many have.


You forgot it being used as a justification for segregation.

That is not what we are talking about now though is it? Don't go all
"Kevin" on me.

Do you feel the same about the states with medical marijuana laws or
the states that defied DOMA when it was the federal law?
The 9th and 10h amendments clearly give the states and he people wide
latitude with any powers that are not granted to the federal
government by the Constitution.
That has been eroded constantly for the last 60 years.


Sure. Discrimination by gender is a form of segregation.

I proposed a solution. Withhold federal funds for Oklahoma's national
guard until it complies with federal regulations. Oklahoma can either
comply, fund its guard on its own, or disband its guard.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Nothing but assholes running Oklahoma...
 

On 11/20/13, 4:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:11:32 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Easy solution: withdraw federal support for the Oklahoma national guard.

Then those Okies wouldn't have to go fight in our foreign
misadventures. It might be a fair trade.


Nothing would prevent someone from Oklahoma from enlisting directly in
the U.S. Armed Forces branch of his or her choice.

Gosh, I remember my second trip into Oklahoma, this time for a visit. (I
had driven through the state as a passenger some years earlier but
mostly slept until we got to Texas)

A friend of mine from the KC Star took a job with what was then called
the Tulsa World-Tribune, and I drove down for a visit. What a bunch of
dumpy towns along the way: Nevada, Carthage, Joplin, Owasso. At least
there were some parks and trees in Tulsa, but to me the drive into
Oklahoma was like a time warp back to the Great Depression of the 1930s,
and Tulsa when I visited was an oil boom town. Apparently the state is
still in a time warp.


--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Nothing but assholes running Oklahoma...
 

On 11/20/13, 4:36 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:19:38 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

You forgot it being used as a justification for segregation.

That is not what we are talking about now though is it? Don't go all
"Kevin" on me.

Do you feel the same about the states with medical marijuana laws or
the states that defied DOMA when it was the federal law?
The 9th and 10h amendments clearly give the states and he people wide
latitude with any powers that are not granted to the federal
government by the Constitution.
That has been eroded constantly for the last 60 years.


Sure. Discrimination by gender is a form of segregation.

You really have to twist the definitions to get there.

If I was willing to do that much twisting I could easily get to
smokers rights


You probably could. I could not.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Nothing but assholes running Oklahoma...
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/20/13, 1:22 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/20/13, 11:56 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin (R) announced earlier this month that
state-owned National Guard facilities will no longer allow any married
couples to apply for spousal benefits, regardless of whether they are
same-sex or opposite-sex. The Supreme Court’s decision overturning the
Defense of Marriage Act means that servicemembers with same-sex spouses
are now eligible for federal benefits. Fallin’s unusual tactic is
designed to avoid having to recognize those couples, which she asserts
would violate Oklahoma’s constitutional amendment limiting marriage to
one man and one woman:

FALLIN: Oklahoma law is clear. The state of Oklahoma does not
recognize same-sex marriages, nor does it confer marriage benefits to
same-sex couples. The decision reached today allows the National Guard to
obey Oklahoma law without violating federal rules or policies. It
protects the integrity of our state constitution and sends a message to
the federal government that they cannot simply ignore our laws or the
will of the people.

Sounds like Oklahoma wanted to not break the law. Something you seem to
advocate.


Hey, if Oklahoma wants to **** over its Guard personnel, it's no skin off
my back. Perhaps the Feds should just withhold funding until the state
comes into compliance with federal law.

Love these backwards states...they're a shining example of what is wrong with America.


Right there is a prime example of our problems. Withhold funding. Why
there is little states rights anymore. And why the federal government is
so bloated!


States rights...a concept that should have been discarded generations
ago. And why don't you tell us what percentage of a state's National
Guard funding and materiel comes from the federal government?


States rights. From the first they were important. But to someone like
you who wants central control, I see where it is an anathema.

Nothing but assholes running Oklahoma...
 

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:50:19 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:33:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/20/13, 4:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:11:32 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Easy solution: withdraw federal support for the Oklahoma national guard.

Then those Okies wouldn't have to go fight in our foreign
misadventures. It might be a fair trade.


Nothing would prevent someone from Oklahoma from enlisting directly in
the U.S. Armed Forces branch of his or her choice.

That is not what we are talking about tho is it. Maybe the gays should
just "ship over" to the regulars. There might even be an enlistment
bonus in it for them

Gosh, I remember my second trip into Oklahoma, this time for a visit. (I
had driven through the state as a passenger some years earlier but
mostly slept until we got to Texas)

A friend of mine from the KC Star took a job with what was then called
the Tulsa World-Tribune, and I drove down for a visit. What a bunch of
dumpy towns along the way: Nevada, Carthage, Joplin, Owasso. At least
there were some parks and trees in Tulsa, but to me the drive into
Oklahoma was like a time warp back to the Great Depression of the 1930s,
and Tulsa when I visited was an oil boom town. Apparently the state is
still in a time warp.

My father's family is from Ada Oklahoma (the Adairs) His father
married into that gang as an oil field salesman.
I spent a few summers there and I agree. It is a vast wasteland. They
had a 25,000 acre ranch, most out on an oil and gas lease but it was a
lot of fun for a kid. My sister remained in love and actually packed
up and moved there 25 years later. A month later they were back in
Maryland. Fortunately he got his white house job back.
That lady I spoke of who worked at Walmart, lived in Broken Arrow and
she finally ate enough dust and moved.

My dad grew up in Bartlesville, OK, which is where his parents and a brother and sister lived. We'd
go visit them every so often, from LaMonte, MO, and we'd always bring back a couple dozen horned
toads found out in the desert. Of course, they'd get loose, and then my folks would get frantic
calls from the neighbors about the 'monster' in their yard.

http://images.fineartamerica.com/ima...ry-langley.jpg

Never did see much about Oklahoma that I liked, but the musical was great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbrnXl2gO_k

Haven't heard that in a while.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!