Reuters) - JPMorgan Chase & Co has reached a tentative $13 billion
agreement with the U.S. Justice Department to settle government agency
investigations into bad mortgage loans the bank sold to investors before
the financial crisis, a source said on Saturday.

The tentative deal does not release the bank from criminal liability for
some of the mortgages it packaged into bonds and sold to investors, a
factor that had been a major sticking point in the discussions, the
source said.

As part of the deal, the bank will likely cooperate in criminal
inquiries into certain individuals involved in the conduct at issue, the
source, who declined to be identified, said.

- - -

Too bad there's a settlement and that none of the banksters probably
will ever be sent to the slammer.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Reuters) - JPMorgan Chase & Co has reached a tentative $13 billion
agreement with the U.S. Justice Department to settle government agency
investigations into bad mortgage loans the bank sold to investors before
the financial crisis, a source said on Saturday.

The tentative deal does not release the bank from criminal liability for
some of the mortgages it packaged into bonds and sold to investors, a
factor that had been a major sticking point in the discussions, the source said.

As part of the deal, the bank will likely cooperate in criminal inquiries
into certain individuals involved in the conduct at issue, the source,
who declined to be identified, said.

- - -

Too bad there's a settlement and that none of the banksters probably will
ever be sent to the slammer.

Along with the Fannie and Freddie people.

On 10/19/2013 7:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Reuters) - JPMorgan Chase & Co has reached a tentative $13 billion
agreement with the U.S. Justice Department to settle government agency
investigations into bad mortgage loans the bank sold to investors before
the financial crisis, a source said on Saturday.

The tentative deal does not release the bank from criminal liability for
some of the mortgages it packaged into bonds and sold to investors, a
factor that had been a major sticking point in the discussions, the
source said.

As part of the deal, the bank will likely cooperate in criminal
inquiries into certain individuals involved in the conduct at issue, the
source, who declined to be identified, said.

- - -

Too bad there's a settlement and that none of the banksters probably
will ever be sent to the slammer.



Too bad the banking industry was forced into giving bad mortgage loans
in the first place. Without them there would not have been a financial
crisis.

On 10/19/2013 5:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Too bad the banking industry was forced into giving bad mortgage loans
in the first place. Without them there would not have been a financial
crisis.

They were not forced to make them to any where near the degree they did.

On 10/20/2013 2:16 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:42:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/19/2013 7:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Reuters) - JPMorgan Chase & Co has reached a tentative $13 billion
agreement with the U.S. Justice Department to settle government agency
investigations into bad mortgage loans the bank sold to investors before
the financial crisis, a source said on Saturday.

The tentative deal does not release the bank from criminal liability for
some of the mortgages it packaged into bonds and sold to investors, a
factor that had been a major sticking point in the discussions, the
source said.

As part of the deal, the bank will likely cooperate in criminal
inquiries into certain individuals involved in the conduct at issue, the
source, who declined to be identified, said.

- - -

Too bad there's a settlement and that none of the banksters probably
will ever be sent to the slammer.



Too bad the banking industry was forced into giving bad mortgage loans
in the first place. Without them there would not have been a financial
crisis.


There was [plenty of greed to go around. We also had lots of house
flippers (AKA "investors") who were milking that easy loan money on
all 4 tits and nobody is suggesting that we should claw back any of
that money. A lot of the foreclosures around here were simply "walk
aways" on investor property that was not going to sell for what they
had borrowed so they defaulted and kept their profits. .


True, but that was more of a "result of" and not a "cause". The
"cause" resides in changes to the Fair Housing Act during Clinton's
administration championed by people like Barney Frank whereby 50 percent
of mortgages involving Freddie Mac and Frannie Mae were required to be
given that were previously considered high risk. In fairness, the
percentage was increased to 55 percent in the early days of the Bush
administration. That is the single most cause of the housing market
bubble burst that started in 2006-2007 and finally exploded in 2008.
All the bundled bad loans brought the financial sectors and this country
to it's knees.

We may have had a typical cyclic recession and market correction that
normally occurs but it would not have become the "Great Recession" that
it did without the housing market burst.

On 10/20/2013 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 04:37:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/20/2013 2:16 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:42:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/19/2013 7:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Reuters) - JPMorgan Chase & Co has reached a tentative $13 billion
agreement with the U.S. Justice Department to settle government agency
investigations into bad mortgage loans the bank sold to investors before
the financial crisis, a source said on Saturday.

The tentative deal does not release the bank from criminal liability for
some of the mortgages it packaged into bonds and sold to investors, a
factor that had been a major sticking point in the discussions, the
source said.

As part of the deal, the bank will likely cooperate in criminal
inquiries into certain individuals involved in the conduct at issue, the
source, who declined to be identified, said.

- - -

Too bad there's a settlement and that none of the banksters probably
will ever be sent to the slammer.



Too bad the banking industry was forced into giving bad mortgage loans
in the first place. Without them there would not have been a financial
crisis.


There was [plenty of greed to go around. We also had lots of house
flippers (AKA "investors") who were milking that easy loan money on
all 4 tits and nobody is suggesting that we should claw back any of
that money. A lot of the foreclosures around here were simply "walk
aways" on investor property that was not going to sell for what they
had borrowed so they defaulted and kept their profits. .


True, but that was more of a "result of" and not a "cause". The
"cause" resides in changes to the Fair Housing Act during Clinton's
administration championed by people like Barney Frank whereby 50 percent
of mortgages involving Freddie Mac and Frannie Mae were required to be
given that were previously considered high risk. In fairness, the
percentage was increased to 55 percent in the early days of the Bush
administration. That is the single most cause of the housing market
bubble burst that started in 2006-2007 and finally exploded in 2008.
All the bundled bad loans brought the financial sectors and this country
to it's knees.

We may have had a typical cyclic recession and market correction that
normally occurs but it would not have become the "Great Recession" that
it did without the housing market burst.

I agree that everyone liked the bubble until it popped. The same was
true of the dot bomb bubble in the 90s
It is easy to argue that the housing bubble was the band aid they put
on the dot bomb bubble wound. We are putting a debt bubble on the
housing bubble wound.
The fed has created two trillion dollars out of thin air to hide the
fact that we have more federal paper to sell than we have customers
for it. There is no Social Security surplus to raid these days. It is
broke too, living on borrowed money.

When the world figures out how much of our prosperity is in
unsustainable debt and phony money the "pop" will be devastating, not
just the inconvenience we had in 2000 and 2008. It will be a world
wide crash so everyone is ignoring it and hoping everything will be
OK.


I fear we are closer to that day than people realize.

On 10/20/2013 2:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/20/2013 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 04:37:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/20/2013 2:16 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:42:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/19/2013 7:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Reuters) - JPMorgan Chase & Co has reached a tentative $13 billion
agreement with the U.S. Justice Department to settle government
agency
investigations into bad mortgage loans the bank sold to investors
before
the financial crisis, a source said on Saturday.

The tentative deal does not release the bank from criminal
liability for
some of the mortgages it packaged into bonds and sold to investors, a
factor that had been a major sticking point in the discussions, the
source said.

As part of the deal, the bank will likely cooperate in criminal
inquiries into certain individuals involved in the conduct at
issue, the
source, who declined to be identified, said.

- - -

Too bad there's a settlement and that none of the banksters probably
will ever be sent to the slammer.



Too bad the banking industry was forced into giving bad mortgage loans
in the first place. Without them there would not have been a
financial
crisis.


There was [plenty of greed to go around. We also had lots of house
flippers (AKA "investors") who were milking that easy loan money on
all 4 tits and nobody is suggesting that we should claw back any of
that money. A lot of the foreclosures around here were simply "walk
aways" on investor property that was not going to sell for what they
had borrowed so they defaulted and kept their profits. .


True, but that was more of a "result of" and not a "cause". The
"cause" resides in changes to the Fair Housing Act during Clinton's
administration championed by people like Barney Frank whereby 50 percent
of mortgages involving Freddie Mac and Frannie Mae were required to be
given that were previously considered high risk. In fairness, the
percentage was increased to 55 percent in the early days of the Bush
administration. That is the single most cause of the housing market
bubble burst that started in 2006-2007 and finally exploded in 2008.
All the bundled bad loans brought the financial sectors and this country
to it's knees.

We may have had a typical cyclic recession and market correction that
normally occurs but it would not have become the "Great Recession" that
it did without the housing market burst.

I agree that everyone liked the bubble until it popped. The same was
true of the dot bomb bubble in the 90s
It is easy to argue that the housing bubble was the band aid they put
on the dot bomb bubble wound. We are putting a debt bubble on the
housing bubble wound.
The fed has created two trillion dollars out of thin air to hide the
fact that we have more federal paper to sell than we have customers
for it. There is no Social Security surplus to raid these days. It is
broke too, living on borrowed money.

When the world figures out how much of our prosperity is in
unsustainable debt and phony money the "pop" will be devastating, not
just the inconvenience we had in 2000 and 2008. It will be a world
wide crash so everyone is ignoring it and hoping everything will be
OK.


I fear we are closer to that day than people realize.



O'bama has the weight of the world on his shoulders. Must be time for
another family vacation on Martha's Vineyard.

Is he still as popular up there as he once was?

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/20/2013 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 04:37:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/20/2013 2:16 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:42:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/19/2013 7:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Reuters) - JPMorgan Chase & Co has reached a tentative $13 billion
agreement with the U.S. Justice Department to settle government agency
investigations into bad mortgage loans the bank sold to investors before
the financial crisis, a source said on Saturday.

The tentative deal does not release the bank from criminal liability for
some of the mortgages it packaged into bonds and sold to investors, a
factor that had been a major sticking point in the discussions, the
source said.

As part of the deal, the bank will likely cooperate in criminal
inquiries into certain individuals involved in the conduct at issue, the
source, who declined to be identified, said.

- - -

Too bad there's a settlement and that none of the banksters probably
will ever be sent to the slammer.



Too bad the banking industry was forced into giving bad mortgage loans
in the first place. Without them there would not have been a financial
crisis.


There was [plenty of greed to go around. We also had lots of house
flippers (AKA "investors") who were milking that easy loan money on
all 4 tits and nobody is suggesting that we should claw back any of
that money. A lot of the foreclosures around here were simply "walk
aways" on investor property that was not going to sell for what they
had borrowed so they defaulted and kept their profits. .


True, but that was more of a "result of" and not a "cause". The
"cause" resides in changes to the Fair Housing Act during Clinton's
administration championed by people like Barney Frank whereby 50 percent
of mortgages involving Freddie Mac and Frannie Mae were required to be
given that were previously considered high risk. In fairness, the
percentage was increased to 55 percent in the early days of the Bush
administration. That is the single most cause of the housing market
bubble burst that started in 2006-2007 and finally exploded in 2008.
All the bundled bad loans brought the financial sectors and this country
to it's knees.

We may have had a typical cyclic recession and market correction that
normally occurs but it would not have become the "Great Recession" that
it did without the housing market burst.

I agree that everyone liked the bubble until it popped. The same was
true of the dot bomb bubble in the 90s
It is easy to argue that the housing bubble was the band aid they put
on the dot bomb bubble wound. We are putting a debt bubble on the
housing bubble wound.
The fed has created two trillion dollars out of thin air to hide the
fact that we have more federal paper to sell than we have customers
for it. There is no Social Security surplus to raid these days. It is
broke too, living on borrowed money.

When the world figures out how much of our prosperity is in
unsustainable debt and phony money the "pop" will be devastating, not
just the inconvenience we had in 2000 and 2008. It will be a world
wide crash so everyone is ignoring it and hoping everything will be
OK.


I fear we are closer to that day than people realize.

Unfortunately I think you are very correct.

On 10/20/2013 1:16 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:42:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/19/2013 7:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Reuters) - JPMorgan Chase & Co has reached a tentative $13 billion
agreement with the U.S. Justice Department to settle government agency
investigations into bad mortgage loans the bank sold to investors before
the financial crisis, a source said on Saturday.

The tentative deal does not release the bank from criminal liability for
some of the mortgages it packaged into bonds and sold to investors, a
factor that had been a major sticking point in the discussions, the
source said.

As part of the deal, the bank will likely cooperate in criminal
inquiries into certain individuals involved in the conduct at issue, the
source, who declined to be identified, said.

- - -

Too bad there's a settlement and that none of the banksters probably
will ever be sent to the slammer.



Too bad the banking industry was forced into giving bad mortgage loans
in the first place. Without them there would not have been a financial
crisis.


There was [plenty of greed to go around. We also had lots of house
flippers (AKA "investors") who were milking that easy loan money on
all 4 tits and nobody is suggesting that we should claw back any of
that money. A lot of the foreclosures around here were simply "walk
aways" on investor property that was not going to sell for what they
had borrowed so they defaulted and kept their profits. .


I wonder how many of these loans were bad when closed, verses were
bad after housing prices dropped.

amdx wrote:
On 10/20/2013 1:16 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:42:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/19/2013 7:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Reuters) - JPMorgan Chase & Co has reached a tentative $13 billion
agreement with the U.S. Justice Department to settle government agency
investigations into bad mortgage loans the bank sold to investors before
the financial crisis, a source said on Saturday.

The tentative deal does not release the bank from criminal liability for
some of the mortgages it packaged into bonds and sold to investors, a
factor that had been a major sticking point in the discussions, the
source said.

As part of the deal, the bank will likely cooperate in criminal
inquiries into certain individuals involved in the conduct at issue, the
source, who declined to be identified, said.

- - -

Too bad there's a settlement and that none of the banksters probably
will ever be sent to the slammer.



Too bad the banking industry was forced into giving bad mortgage loans
in the first place. Without them there would not have been a financial
crisis.


There was [plenty of greed to go around. We also had lots of house
flippers (AKA "investors") who were milking that easy loan money on
all 4 tits and nobody is suggesting that we should claw back any of
that money. A lot of the foreclosures around here were simply "walk
aways" on investor property that was not going to sell for what they
had borrowed so they defaulted and kept their profits. .


I wonder how many of these loans were bad when closed, verses were bad
after housing prices dropped.

Most of them. They had no equity in the loan. Zero down, low interest for
5 years, etc. made for flipping. Prices increasing 25% a year. Just get
out in time, and you walk away very well to do.