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F.O.A.D. September 28th 13 12:55 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
Christian groups sue to stop Kansas schools
from adopting science standards

Christian groups filed a pair of lawsuits in Federal District Court
challenging the Kansas state Board of Education’s decision to implement
a state-wide set of science standards. On June 11, the Kansas state
Board of Education adopted a universal set of science standards to be
taught in classrooms across the state from kindergarten to grade 12.
Faith groups are up in arms that their beliefs are not being given more
credence in science classes.

According to a statement on the Pacific Justice Institute’s website, the
teaching of science in all of the state’s public schools could create “a
hostile learning environment for those of faith.” The institute — which
purports to defend “religious freedom, parental rights and other civil
liberties” — is challenging the fact that the new science standards do
not give equal weight to the Christian creation myth.


The suit alleges that the new standards will “promote religious beliefs
that are inconsistent with the theistic religious beliefs of plaintiffs,
thereby depriving them of the right to be free from government that
favors one religious view over another.” The group asked the court to
place an injunction on the implementation of Next Generation Science
Standards and the corresponding lesson plan handbook, Framework for K-12
Science Education: Practices, Crosscutting Concepts and Core Ideas.

Another group, the Citizens for Objective Public Education (COPE, Inc.)
filed suit on Sep. 26 demanding that the new curricula not be
instituted. In a press release, CORE said that the science standards
would “will have the effect of causing Kansas public schools to
establish and endorse a non-theistic religious worldview,” which the
group said is a violation of the First and Fourteenth Amendments of the
U.S. Constitution.

Brad Dachus of Pacific Justice complained that is a violation of a
child’s rights to teach them that Creationism isn’t the truth.

“(I)t’s an egregious violation of the rights of Americans to subject
students — as young as five — to an authoritative figure such as a
teacher who essentially tells them that their faith is wrong,” he said.

He maintained that to teach science “that is devoid of any alternative
which aligns with the belief of people of faith is just wrong.”

COPE, Inc. said that the science standards have a “concealed Orthodoxy”
that is bent on undermining the views of the faithful.

“The Orthodoxy is not religiously neutral as it permits only
materialistic/atheistic answers to ultimate religious questions,” said
the group’s statement. The group maintained that questions like “Where
do we come from?” can only be answered honestly by religious dogma.

The statement went on to say that “teaching the materialistic/atheistic
ideas to primary school children whose minds are susceptible to blindly
accepting them as true” is unconstitutional and dangerous, and therefore
the new science standards must be stopped.

http://tinyurl.com/qdwsdmz

- - -

Yes, because it is always a great idea to teach kids superstitious
nonsense in the public schools.

Taliban-like behavior, in Kansas.

Hank©[_3_] September 28th 13 01:58 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
On 9/28/2013 7:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Christian groups sue to stop Kansas schools
from adopting science standards


Your boy is getting ready to shut the country down and all ypu can think
about is this silly stuff in Kansas. You really have morphed into a
looney toons character, Krausie baby.

John H[_2_] September 28th 13 02:46 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:55:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Christian groups sue to stop Kansas schools

~~yawn~~
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

iBoaterer[_3_] September 28th 13 04:01 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:55:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Christian groups sue to stop Kansas schools

~~yawn~~


You are correct, Christians have been trying to ban science forever.

Califbill September 28th 13 05:52 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
Freedom of speech.

F.O.A.D. September 28th 13 05:58 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
On 9/28/13 12:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Freedom of speech.


Separation of religion and state.

The Kansas Christian Talibaners are free to preach whatever
superstitious nonsense they want in their private churches, church
schools, homes, et cetera. No religious beliefs should be taught
in the public's K-12 schools, and creationism is a religious belief.



Hank©[_3_] September 28th 13 05:59 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
On 9/28/2013 12:58 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/28/13 12:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Freedom of speech.


Separation of religion and state.

The Kansas Christian Talibaners are free to preach whatever
superstitious nonsense they want in their private churches, church
schools, homes, et cetera. No religious beliefs should be taught
in the public's K-12 schools, and creationism is a religious belief.


Looney toon

iBoaterer[_3_] September 28th 13 06:13 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:01:25 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:55:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Christian groups sue to stop Kansas schools
~~yawn~~


You are correct, Christians have been trying to ban science forever.


Cite?


No problem, thanks for asking!

http://tinyurl.com/8azn9y8

http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...24/usa.schools

http://nobeliefs.com/comments10.htm

http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/galileo.html

http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity....0_medicine.htm



Califbill September 28th 13 06:44 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 12:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Freedom of speech.


Separation of religion and state.

The Kansas Christian Talibaners are free to preach whatever superstitious
nonsense they want in their private churches, church schools, homes, et
cetera. No religious beliefs should be taught
in the public's K-12 schools, and creationism is a religious belief.


Except for atheism, Mohammedism, etc. still they have freedom of speech,
and lawsuits to press their belief.

F.O.A.D. September 28th 13 06:58 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
On 9/28/13 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 12:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Freedom of speech.


Separation of religion and state.

The Kansas Christian Talibaners are free to preach whatever superstitious
nonsense they want in their private churches, church schools, homes, et
cetera. No religious beliefs should be taught
in the public's K-12 schools, and creationism is a religious belief.


Except for atheism, Mohammedism, etc. still they have freedom of speech,
and lawsuits to press their belief.


You think the public schools in Kansas are pushing atheism and the
Muslim faith as religious belief?

No one is stopping a Christian pastor preaching his superstitious
nonsense, but not, thank you, in public schools.

F.O.A.D. September 28th 13 06:58 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
On 9/28/13 1:13 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:01:25 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:55:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Christian groups sue to stop Kansas schools
~~yawn~~

You are correct, Christians have been trying to ban science forever.


Cite?


No problem, thanks for asking!

http://tinyurl.com/8azn9y8

http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...24/usa.schools

http://nobeliefs.com/comments10.htm

http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/galileo.html

http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity....0_medicine.htm



You're not going to earn an intellectual's badge of honor by throwing
Herring up against the wall. Too easy.

iBoaterer[_3_] September 28th 13 07:06 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
In article ,
says...

On 9/28/13 1:13 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:01:25 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:55:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Christian groups sue to stop Kansas schools
~~yawn~~

You are correct, Christians have been trying to ban science forever.

Cite?


No problem, thanks for asking!

http://tinyurl.com/8azn9y8

http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...24/usa.schools

http://nobeliefs.com/comments10.htm

http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/galileo.html

http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity....0_medicine.htm



You're not going to earn an intellectual's badge of honor by throwing
Herring up against the wall. Too easy.


Ah, just having a little fun with his senility.

Califbill September 28th 13 11:42 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 12:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Freedom of speech.


Separation of religion and state.

The Kansas Christian Talibaners are free to preach whatever superstitious
nonsense they want in their private churches, church schools, homes, et
cetera. No religious beliefs should be taught
in the public's K-12 schools, and creationism is a religious belief.


Except for atheism, Mohammedism, etc. still they have freedom of speech,
and lawsuits to press their belief.


You think the public schools in Kansas are pushing atheism and the Muslim
faith as religious belief?

No one is stopping a Christian pastor preaching his superstitious
nonsense, but not, thank you, in public schools.


We have had a day of being a Muslim here in a Calif. Schools. They
installed a statue to an Aztec god in a San Jose park .

F.O.A.D. September 29th 13 12:54 AM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
On 9/28/13 6:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 12:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Freedom of speech.


Separation of religion and state.

The Kansas Christian Talibaners are free to preach whatever superstitious
nonsense they want in their private churches, church schools, homes, et
cetera. No religious beliefs should be taught
in the public's K-12 schools, and creationism is a religious belief.

Except for atheism, Mohammedism, etc. still they have freedom of speech,
and lawsuits to press their belief.


You think the public schools in Kansas are pushing atheism and the Muslim
faith as religious belief?

No one is stopping a Christian pastor preaching his superstitious
nonsense, but not, thank you, in public schools.


We have had a day of being a Muslim here in a Calif. Schools. They
installed a statue to an Aztec god in a San Jose park .


So, are there lots of converts to the Aztec religion gathering around
the statue?

Califbill September 30th 13 06:55 AM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 6:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 12:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Freedom of speech.


Separation of religion and state.

The Kansas Christian Talibaners are free to preach whatever superstitious
nonsense they want in their private churches, church schools, homes, et
cetera. No religious beliefs should be taught
in the public's K-12 schools, and creationism is a religious belief.

Except for atheism, Mohammedism, etc. still they have freedom of speech,
and lawsuits to press their belief.


You think the public schools in Kansas are pushing atheism and the Muslim
faith as religious belief?

No one is stopping a Christian pastor preaching his superstitious
nonsense, but not, thank you, in public schools.


We have had a day of being a Muslim here in a Calif. Schools. They
installed a statue to an Aztec god in a San Jose park .


So, are there lots of converts to the Aztec religion gathering around the statue?


Still government support of a defined religion!

F.O.A.D. September 30th 13 01:20 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
On 9/30/13 1:55 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 6:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 12:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Freedom of speech.


Separation of religion and state.

The Kansas Christian Talibaners are free to preach whatever superstitious
nonsense they want in their private churches, church schools, homes, et
cetera. No religious beliefs should be taught
in the public's K-12 schools, and creationism is a religious belief.

Except for atheism, Mohammedism, etc. still they have freedom of speech,
and lawsuits to press their belief.


You think the public schools in Kansas are pushing atheism and the Muslim
faith as religious belief?

No one is stopping a Christian pastor preaching his superstitious
nonsense, but not, thank you, in public schools.

We have had a day of being a Muslim here in a Calif. Schools. They
installed a statue to an Aztec god in a San Jose park .


So, are there lots of converts to the Aztec religion gathering around the statue?


Still government support of a defined religion!


Not likely.

Califbill September 30th 13 05:30 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/30/13 1:55 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 6:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 12:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Freedom of speech.


Separation of religion and state.

The Kansas Christian Talibaners are free to preach whatever superstitious
nonsense they want in their private churches, church schools, homes, et
cetera. No religious beliefs should be taught
in the public's K-12 schools, and creationism is a religious belief.

Except for atheism, Mohammedism, etc. still they have freedom of speech,
and lawsuits to press their belief.


You think the public schools in Kansas are pushing atheism and the Muslim
faith as religious belief?

No one is stopping a Christian pastor preaching his superstitious
nonsense, but not, thank you, in public schools.

We have had a day of being a Muslim here in a Calif. Schools. They
installed a statue to an Aztec god in a San Jose park .


So, are there lots of converts to the Aztec religion gathering around the statue?


Still government support of a defined religion!


Not likely.


Whoosh.

F.O.A.D. September 30th 13 05:35 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
On 9/30/13 12:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/30/13 1:55 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 6:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 12:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Freedom of speech.


Separation of religion and state.

The Kansas Christian Talibaners are free to preach whatever superstitious
nonsense they want in their private churches, church schools, homes, et
cetera. No religious beliefs should be taught
in the public's K-12 schools, and creationism is a religious belief.

Except for atheism, Mohammedism, etc. still they have freedom of speech,
and lawsuits to press their belief.


You think the public schools in Kansas are pushing atheism and the Muslim
faith as religious belief?

No one is stopping a Christian pastor preaching his superstitious
nonsense, but not, thank you, in public schools.

We have had a day of being a Muslim here in a Calif. Schools. They
installed a statue to an Aztec god in a San Jose park .


So, are there lots of converts to the Aztec religion gathering around the statue?

Still government support of a defined religion!


Not likely.


Whoosh.

More likely, it is an art piece. There aren't many followers any more of
the Aztec religion, and they probably aren't proselytizing.

John H[_2_] September 30th 13 06:13 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:35:17 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/30/13 12:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/30/13 1:55 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 6:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 12:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Freedom of speech.


Separation of religion and state.

The Kansas Christian Talibaners are free to preach whatever superstitious
nonsense they want in their private churches, church schools, homes, et
cetera. No religious beliefs should be taught
in the public's K-12 schools, and creationism is a religious belief.

Except for atheism, Mohammedism, etc. still they have freedom of speech,
and lawsuits to press their belief.


You think the public schools in Kansas are pushing atheism and the Muslim
faith as religious belief?

No one is stopping a Christian pastor preaching his superstitious
nonsense, but not, thank you, in public schools.

We have had a day of being a Muslim here in a Calif. Schools. They
installed a statue to an Aztec god in a San Jose park .


So, are there lots of converts to the Aztec religion gathering around the statue?

Still government support of a defined religion!


Not likely.


Whoosh.

More likely, it is an art piece. There aren't many followers any more of
the Aztec religion, and they probably aren't proselytizing.


There are many sculptures of Christ on the cross that are works of art. I wonder how long one of
those would last in San Jose Park.
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

Califbill September 30th 13 06:28 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/30/13 12:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/30/13 1:55 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 6:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 12:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Freedom of speech.


Separation of religion and state.

The Kansas Christian Talibaners are free to preach whatever superstitious
nonsense they want in their private churches, church schools, homes, et
cetera. No religious beliefs should be taught
in the public's K-12 schools, and creationism is a religious belief.

Except for atheism, Mohammedism, etc. still they have freedom of speech,
and lawsuits to press their belief.


You think the public schools in Kansas are pushing atheism and the Muslim
faith as religious belief?

No one is stopping a Christian pastor preaching his superstitious
nonsense, but not, thank you, in public schools.

We have had a day of being a Muslim here in a Calif. Schools. They
installed a statue to an Aztec god in a San Jose park .


So, are there lots of converts to the Aztec religion gathering around the statue?

Still government support of a defined religion!


Not likely.


Whoosh.

More likely, it is an art piece. There aren't many followers any more of
the Aztec religion, and they probably aren't proselytizing.


Still a religious object, paid for by taxpayers.

F.O.A.D. September 30th 13 07:06 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
On 9/30/13 1:28 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/30/13 12:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/30/13 1:55 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 6:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/28/13 12:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Freedom of speech.


Separation of religion and state.

The Kansas Christian Talibaners are free to preach whatever superstitious
nonsense they want in their private churches, church schools, homes, et
cetera. No religious beliefs should be taught
in the public's K-12 schools, and creationism is a religious belief.

Except for atheism, Mohammedism, etc. still they have freedom of speech,
and lawsuits to press their belief.


You think the public schools in Kansas are pushing atheism and the Muslim
faith as religious belief?

No one is stopping a Christian pastor preaching his superstitious
nonsense, but not, thank you, in public schools.

We have had a day of being a Muslim here in a Calif. Schools. They
installed a statue to an Aztec god in a San Jose park .


So, are there lots of converts to the Aztec religion gathering around the statue?

Still government support of a defined religion!


Not likely.

Whoosh.

More likely, it is an art piece. There aren't many followers any more of
the Aztec religion, and they probably aren't proselytizing.


Still a religious object, paid for by taxpayers.


Play your silliness with someone who takes your inane complaint
seriously. A rock is also a religious object in some religions. Let's
remove all the rocks placed in parks.

Tom Nofinger October 1st 13 10:28 AM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
On Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:58:20 AM UTC-5, Hank© wrote:
On 9/28/2013 7:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Christian groups sue to stop Kansas schools


from adopting science standards




Your boy is getting ready to shut the country down and all ypu can think

about is this silly stuff in Kansas. You really have morphed into a

looney toons character, Krausie baby.


The Kansas schools only have one purpose and that is to keep Krause's blood pressure from dropping too low. However, not one word of thanks will come from him.


Tom Nofinger October 1st 13 12:10 PM

Taliban active in Kansas...
 
On Saturday, September 28, 2013 6:55:14 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Christian groups sue to stop Kansas schools

from adopting science standards



Christian groups filed a pair of lawsuits in Federal District Court

challenging the Kansas state Board of Education’s decision to implement

a state-wide set of science standards. On June 11, the Kansas state

Board of Education adopted a universal set of science standards to be

taught in classrooms across the state from kindergarten to grade 12.

Faith groups are up in arms that their beliefs are not being given more

credence in science classes.



According to a statement on the Pacific Justice Institute’s website, the

teaching of science in all of the state’s public schools could create “a

hostile learning environment for those of faith.” The institute — which

purports to defend “religious freedom, parental rights and other civil

liberties” — is challenging the fact that the new science standards do

not give equal weight to the Christian creation myth.





The suit alleges that the new standards will “promote religious beliefs

that are inconsistent with the theistic religious beliefs of plaintiffs,

thereby depriving them of the right to be free from government that

favors one religious view over another.” The group asked the court to

place an injunction on the implementation of Next Generation Science

Standards and the corresponding lesson plan handbook, Framework for K-12

Science Education: Practices, Crosscutting Concepts and Core Ideas.



Another group, the Citizens for Objective Public Education (COPE, Inc.)

filed suit on Sep. 26 demanding that the new curricula not be

instituted. In a press release, CORE said that the science standards

would “will have the effect of causing Kansas public schools to

establish and endorse a non-theistic religious worldview,” which the

group said is a violation of the First and Fourteenth Amendments of the

U.S. Constitution.



Brad Dachus of Pacific Justice complained that is a violation of a

child’s rights to teach them that Creationism isn’t the truth.



“(I)t’s an egregious violation of the rights of Americans to subject

students — as young as five — to an authoritative figure such as a

teacher who essentially tells them that their faith is wrong,” he said.



He maintained that to teach science “that is devoid of any alternative

which aligns with the belief of people of faith is just wrong.”



COPE, Inc. said that the science standards have a “concealed Orthodoxy”

that is bent on undermining the views of the faithful.



“The Orthodoxy is not religiously neutral as it permits only

materialistic/atheistic answers to ultimate religious questions,” said

the group’s statement. The group maintained that questions like “Where

do we come from?” can only be answered honestly by religious dogma.



The statement went on to say that “teaching the materialistic/atheistic

ideas to primary school children whose minds are susceptible to blindly

accepting them as true” is unconstitutional and dangerous, and therefore

the new science standards must be stopped.



http://tinyurl.com/qdwsdmz



- - -



Yes, because it is always a great idea to teach kids superstitious

nonsense in the public schools.



Taliban-like behavior, in Kansas.


Krause you ignore the possibility that maybe the people are trying to teach the Kansas School districts a lesson in tolorance

http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/201...mic-tolerance/


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