It never ends...
 

Virginia Republicans can't help themselves

Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:35 AM EDT

Jon Chait joked yesterday, "The Virginia gubernatorial ticket has
managed to offend blacks, gays, women, immigrants.... Somehow they have
neglected the Jews."

That neglect promptly ended an event yesterday for Virginia
gubernatorial hopeful Ken Cuccinelli (R).

As the Washington Post reported, the far-right state attorney general
was "forced to distance himself from a local Republican official who
spoke ahead of the candidate and told an anti-Semitic joke."

People brought yellow lawn chairs with the motto "Don't tread on
me," and at least one tricorner hat was visible in the crowd. John
Whitbeck, 10th Congressional District Republican Committee chairman,
raised eyebrows when he kicked off the festivities by telling a joke in
which the head of the Jewish religion presented the pope with a long,
elaborate document that the Jewish leader said was a bill for the last
supper.

The crowd laughed uproariously. But American Bridge 21st Century, a
liberal political action committee, tweeted about Whitbeck's
"anti-Semitic" opener and the state Democratic Party later circulated a
video of the joke.

Chait added, "It's a great piece of humor because it combines the
Jews-are-cheap angle with the Jews-killed-Jesus angle in one joke."


http://tinyurl.com/lqnueoe

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One look at the Virginia Repugnants in here and nothing would surprise me.
They seem to thrive on "unsociable" behaviour.

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In article ,
says...

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:21:01 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Virginia Republicans can't help themselves

Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:35 AM EDT

Jon Chait joked yesterday, "The Virginia gubernatorial ticket has
managed to offend blacks, gays, women, immigrants.... Somehow they have
neglected the Jews."

That neglect promptly ended an event yesterday for Virginia
gubernatorial hopeful Ken Cuccinelli (R).

As the Washington Post reported, the far-right state attorney general
was "forced to distance himself from a local Republican official who
spoke ahead of the candidate and told an anti-Semitic joke."

People brought yellow lawn chairs with the motto "Don't tread on
me," and at least one tricorner hat was visible in the crowd. John
Whitbeck, 10th Congressional District Republican Committee chairman,
raised eyebrows when he kicked off the festivities by telling a joke in
which the head of the Jewish religion presented the pope with a long,
elaborate document that the Jewish leader said was a bill for the last
supper.

The crowd laughed uproariously. But American Bridge 21st Century, a
liberal political action committee, tweeted about Whitbeck's
"anti-Semitic" opener and the state Democratic Party later circulated a
video of the joke.

Chait added, "It's a great piece of humor because it combines the
Jews-are-cheap angle with the Jews-killed-Jesus angle in one joke."


http://tinyurl.com/lqnueoe

Since Jesus was a Jew I am not sure where the offense was. He was
probably pretty dark to, in spite of all of those European depictions
of the blonde white guy.

That would be the ALLEGED Jesus.

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On 9/18/13 6:41 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:46:59 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:21:01 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Virginia Republicans can't help themselves

Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:35 AM EDT

Jon Chait joked yesterday, "The Virginia gubernatorial ticket has
managed to offend blacks, gays, women, immigrants.... Somehow they have
neglected the Jews."

That neglect promptly ended an event yesterday for Virginia
gubernatorial hopeful Ken Cuccinelli (R).

As the Washington Post reported, the far-right state attorney general
was "forced to distance himself from a local Republican official who
spoke ahead of the candidate and told an anti-Semitic joke."

People brought yellow lawn chairs with the motto "Don't tread on
me," and at least one tricorner hat was visible in the crowd. John
Whitbeck, 10th Congressional District Republican Committee chairman,
raised eyebrows when he kicked off the festivities by telling a joke in
which the head of the Jewish religion presented the pope with a long,
elaborate document that the Jewish leader said was a bill for the last
supper.

The crowd laughed uproariously. But American Bridge 21st Century, a
liberal political action committee, tweeted about Whitbeck's
"anti-Semitic" opener and the state Democratic Party later circulated a
video of the joke.

Chait added, "It's a great piece of humor because it combines the
Jews-are-cheap angle with the Jews-killed-Jesus angle in one joke."


http://tinyurl.com/lqnueoe

Since Jesus was a Jew I am not sure where the offense was. He was
probably pretty dark to, in spite of all of those European depictions
of the blonde white guy.

That would be the ALLEGED Jesus.

So we can assume there is no slight at all in this story .... cool.



You mean, aside from the obvious slights?

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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:34:33 -0400, wrote:

Nobody ever explained to me why saying Jewish people were good
businessmen was a slur.

I bet the Jewish guys were laughing the hardest.

===

It has become politically and culturally incorrect to make
generalizations about any group of people even if there is strong
statistical evidence to back up the assertion.

Of course as we have seen, there are exceptions to every rule.

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On 9/19/13 9:07 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:34:33 -0400, wrote:

Nobody ever explained to me why saying Jewish people were good
businessmen was a slur.

I bet the Jewish guys were laughing the hardest.

===

It has become politically and culturally incorrect to make
generalizations about any group of people even if there is strong
statistical evidence to back up the assertion.

Of course as we have seen, there are exceptions to every rule.



So, Gregg, do you think "Jewish people" are good businesspeople because
there is something inherent in the Jewish religion that genetically
encodes them to be that way, even though religion is cultural?

My liberal arts education taught me that in many parts of Europe for
hundreds of years Jews for the most part were not allowed to own real
property or go into the learned professions because of rampant
anti-Semitism and, as a result, lots of Jews became shopkeepers and
various other kinds of businessmen and women and artists. In this
country, for the longest time, Jews were for the most part were not
allowed to into the professions or into the upper levels of blue chip
corporations or into country clubs or into many of the most prestigious
universities.

In the late 1940's, Laura Hobson wrote a novel that was made into a
movie starring Gregory Peck..."Gentleman's Agreement." It tells the
story of anti-Semitism in this country and how Jews were kept out of
many businesses and social organizations.

If you understood any of this, perhaps you might understand why your
characterization might be considered a slur, the same sort of slur that
says black people have "rhythm."

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

Gotta love rec.boats.

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

===

Saying that Christians hate Jews is just as much of a sterotype as
saying that all Jews are good business people, and just as offensive
if not more so.

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On 9/19/13 1:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

===

Saying that Christians hate Jews is just as much of a sterotype as
saying that all Jews are good business people, and just as offensive
if not more so.


Yes, well, I was discussing a period in the United States in the 1950s
and early 1960s, when there was plenty of overt discrimination against
Jews in the United States. Your boy Nixon was a raving anti-Semite. And
those Christian Southern Strategy Republicans? Ever hear a meeting of
them talking about blacks and Jews? I have.

And there is plenty of historical data indicating Christian hatred of
Jews in this country and, of course, in Europe throughout the centuries.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg has spoken publicly about the antisemitism she
faced, as has Bernard Marcus, one of the founders of Home Depot.

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

===

Regardless, it is still a repugnant stereotype.

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/19/13 1:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

===

Saying that Christians hate Jews is just as much of a sterotype as
saying that all Jews are good business people, and just as offensive
if not more so.


Yes, well, I was discussing a period in the United States in the 1950s
and early 1960s, when there was plenty of overt discrimination against
Jews in the United States. Your boy Nixon was a raving anti-Semite. And
those Christian Southern Strategy Republicans? Ever hear a meeting of
them talking about blacks and Jews? I have.

And there is plenty of historical data indicating Christian hatred of
Jews in this country and, of course, in Europe throughout the centuries.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg has spoken publicly about the antisemitism she
faced, as has Bernard Marcus, one of the founders of Home Depot.

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

To say Christians hate Jews is the same as saying Whites hate Blacks. There may be some Christians
who hate Jews, just as there are some Whites who hate Blacks.

Do *you* hate Blacks? If not, your stereotyping sucks.
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

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John H wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/19/13 1:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

===

Saying that Christians hate Jews is just as much of a sterotype as
saying that all Jews are good business people, and just as offensive
if not more so.


Yes, well, I was discussing a period in the United States in the 1950s
and early 1960s, when there was plenty of overt discrimination against
Jews in the United States. Your boy Nixon was a raving anti-Semite. And
those Christian Southern Strategy Republicans? Ever hear a meeting of
them talking about blacks and Jews? I have.

And there is plenty of historical data indicating Christian hatred of
Jews in this country and, of course, in Europe throughout the centuries.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg has spoken publicly about the antisemitism she
faced, as has Bernard Marcus, one of the founders of Home Depot.

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

To say Christians hate Jews is the same as saying Whites hate Blacks.
There may be some Christians
who hate Jews, just as there are some Whites who hate Blacks.

Do *you* hate Blacks? If not, your stereotyping sucks.

FDR would not bomb any of the railroads to the death camps. That bastion
of Democrat's Joe Kennedy was extremely antisemetic.

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In article ,
says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

===

Regardless, it is still a repugnant stereotype.

It could be the self loathing Arabs, who are actually semitic people too.

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In article , says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

Black people

Ask Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Rev Wright.

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In article ,
says...

John H wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/19/13 1:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

===

Saying that Christians hate Jews is just as much of a sterotype as
saying that all Jews are good business people, and just as offensive
if not more so.


Yes, well, I was discussing a period in the United States in the 1950s
and early 1960s, when there was plenty of overt discrimination against
Jews in the United States. Your boy Nixon was a raving anti-Semite. And
those Christian Southern Strategy Republicans? Ever hear a meeting of
them talking about blacks and Jews? I have.

And there is plenty of historical data indicating Christian hatred of
Jews in this country and, of course, in Europe throughout the centuries.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg has spoken publicly about the antisemitism she
faced, as has Bernard Marcus, one of the founders of Home Depot.

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

To say Christians hate Jews is the same as saying Whites hate Blacks.
There may be some Christians
who hate Jews, just as there are some Whites who hate Blacks.

Do *you* hate Blacks? If not, your stereotyping sucks.

FDR would not bomb any of the railroads to the death camps. That bastion
of Democrat's Joe Kennedy was extremely antisemetic.

I don't understand the fascination or glorification of the Kennedy's. They have done nothing
but leave death and tragedy in their wake.

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On 9/19/13 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:08:04 -0400, BAR wrote:


I don't understand the fascination or glorification of the Kennedy's. They have done nothing
but leave death and tragedy in their wake.

I agree JFKs only real claim to fame was being shot and the other two
were criminals.
We always hear how popular he was but he was on his way to losing the
64 election. That is why he was in Dallas in the first place, trying
to recover the southern democratic base that he had lost.
LBJ couldn't even hold the old south.



Excuse me while I giggle.

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On 9/19/2013 4:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/19/13 9:07 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:34:33 -0400, wrote:

Nobody ever explained to me why saying Jewish people were good
businessmen was a slur.

I bet the Jewish guys were laughing the hardest.

===

It has become politically and culturally incorrect to make
generalizations about any group of people even if there is strong
statistical evidence to back up the assertion.

Of course as we have seen, there are exceptions to every rule.



So, Gregg, do you think "Jewish people" are good businesspeople because
there is something inherent in the Jewish religion that genetically
encodes them to be that way, even though religion is cultural?

It is cultural.
Most of the cultural factors are positive
Education
Low alcohol and drug use
Responsibility
Family structure
Community networks
Tradition.

Yeah that is a horrible thing to point out.


....the structure of the Catholic Church and the laws governing banking
back in, well, I don't know how far it goes back.

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In article ,
says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

===

Regardless, it is still a repugnant stereotype.

Funny how that Harry is so adamant about Christianity being just another
far-fetched fairy tale (to which I agree about it being) but doesn't
seem to say the same about Judaism.

It never ends...
 

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/19/13 1:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

===

Saying that Christians hate Jews is just as much of a sterotype as
saying that all Jews are good business people, and just as offensive
if not more so.


Yes, well, I was discussing a period in the United States in the 1950s
and early 1960s, when there was plenty of overt discrimination against
Jews in the United States. Your boy Nixon was a raving anti-Semite. And
those Christian Southern Strategy Republicans? Ever hear a meeting of
them talking about blacks and Jews? I have.

And there is plenty of historical data indicating Christian hatred of
Jews in this country and, of course, in Europe throughout the centuries.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg has spoken publicly about the antisemitism she
faced, as has Bernard Marcus, one of the founders of Home Depot.

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

To say Christians hate Jews is the same as saying Whites hate Blacks. There may be some Christians
who hate Jews, just as there are some Whites who hate Blacks.

Do *you* hate Blacks? If not, your stereotyping sucks.

Why are you being so anti-social?

It never ends...
 

In article ,
says...

In article , says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

Black people

Ask Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Rev Wright.

Cite?

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In article ,
says...

On 9/19/2013 4:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/19/13 9:07 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:34:33 -0400, wrote:

Nobody ever explained to me why saying Jewish people were good
businessmen was a slur.

I bet the Jewish guys were laughing the hardest.

===

It has become politically and culturally incorrect to make
generalizations about any group of people even if there is strong
statistical evidence to back up the assertion.

Of course as we have seen, there are exceptions to every rule.



So, Gregg, do you think "Jewish people" are good businesspeople because
there is something inherent in the Jewish religion that genetically
encodes them to be that way, even though religion is cultural?

It is cultural.
Most of the cultural factors are positive
Education
Low alcohol and drug use
Responsibility
Family structure
Community networks
Tradition.

Yeah that is a horrible thing to point out.


...the structure of the Catholic Church and the laws governing banking
back in, well, I don't know how far it goes back.

Are you trying to say something? What IS it? Your jawbone giving you
trouble again?

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On 9/20/13 10:55 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

===

Regardless, it is still a repugnant stereotype.

Funny how that Harry is so adamant about Christianity being just another
far-fetched fairy tale (to which I agree about it being) but doesn't
seem to say the same about Judaism.



All religions are "far-fetched" fairytales. I don't mention Jews, Sikhs,
Hindus, et cetera, very often because they don't seem very interested in
turning my country into a theocracy. If the Christians would just keep
their fairytales to themselves, and not try to shove their religion and
their strange beliefs down everyones' throats, I wouldn't pay any
attention to them, either. It makes no difference to me whether someone
worships a pet rock, the sun, or any other deity-like figure or
imaginary being.

It never ends...
 

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:55:22 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

===

Saying that Christians hate Jews is just as much of a sterotype as
saying that all Jews are good business people, and just as offensive
if not more so.

More so and pretty inaccurate.

I don't know anyone who has a particular dislike of Jews and I know a
lot of bible thumping rednecks.

Harry said it, this was a 50s and perhaps early 60s thing, mostly
among Baptists.

The strange thing is every atheist I know has a Jewish, mixed with
Catholic heritage.
(Mom or Dad converted)

Perhaps it is the idea that you can give up your beliefs and adopt
another religion, simply for love, that makes you question the whole
thing.

I think I am a spiritual guy but I have no brand loyalty and I just
seek the best wisdom from all of them. I certainly do not condemn
anyone for what they believe as long as they don't want to make me
believe it,
In that regard Jews are not really "evangelical".
My daughter even thought she wanted to be Jewish for a while.
made her a Menorah and she fired up all of the candles on the first
day. ;-)

I knew it was tome for a little "shooling". I got one of my Jewish IBM
buddies to explain a lot of the rituals to her.

I have a friend who married into a Jewish family and converted. I've
been to several events (Bar mitzvahs, etc) and always had a great time,
enjoyed the company.

It never ends...
 

On 9/20/13 11:01 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:55:22 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

===

Saying that Christians hate Jews is just as much of a sterotype as
saying that all Jews are good business people, and just as offensive
if not more so.

More so and pretty inaccurate.

I don't know anyone who has a particular dislike of Jews and I know a
lot of bible thumping rednecks.

Harry said it, this was a 50s and perhaps early 60s thing, mostly
among Baptists.

The strange thing is every atheist I know has a Jewish, mixed with
Catholic heritage.
(Mom or Dad converted)

Perhaps it is the idea that you can give up your beliefs and adopt
another religion, simply for love, that makes you question the whole
thing.

I think I am a spiritual guy but I have no brand loyalty and I just
seek the best wisdom from all of them. I certainly do not condemn
anyone for what they believe as long as they don't want to make me
believe it,
In that regard Jews are not really "evangelical".
My daughter even thought she wanted to be Jewish for a while.
made her a Menorah and she fired up all of the candles on the first
day. ;-)

I knew it was tome for a little "shooling". I got one of my Jewish IBM
buddies to explain a lot of the rituals to her.

I have a friend who married into a Jewish family and converted. I've
been to several events (Bar mitzvahs, etc) and always had a great time,
enjoyed the company.



I grew up in a city and at a time when everyone loved the Jewish kids
because there were so many Jews in New Haven, the public schools closed
down on the Jewish High Holidays. The two biggest
cultural/religious/educational/political groups at that time in my
hometown were Jews and Roman Catholics. Easy to figure out why: the city
was a magnet for European immigrants in the late 19th and first half of
the 20th Century because of its industrial economy.

It never ends...
 

On 9/20/13 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 10:55:26 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

===

Regardless, it is still a repugnant stereotype.

Funny how that Harry is so adamant about Christianity being just another
far-fetched fairy tale (to which I agree about it being) but doesn't
seem to say the same about Judaism.

I do think Harry is a bit disingenuous when you see the hateful things
he characterizes all christians as being and then gets offended when
someone implies jews are good businessmen.



I don't characterize "all" Christians as being anything, other than,
like believers in other religions, believers in superstition.

It never ends...
 

On 9/20/13 2:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:01:47 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:55:22 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

===

Saying that Christians hate Jews is just as much of a sterotype as
saying that all Jews are good business people, and just as offensive
if not more so.

More so and pretty inaccurate.

I don't know anyone who has a particular dislike of Jews and I know a
lot of bible thumping rednecks.

Harry said it, this was a 50s and perhaps early 60s thing, mostly
among Baptists.

The strange thing is every atheist I know has a Jewish, mixed with
Catholic heritage.
(Mom or Dad converted)

Perhaps it is the idea that you can give up your beliefs and adopt
another religion, simply for love, that makes you question the whole
thing.

I think I am a spiritual guy but I have no brand loyalty and I just
seek the best wisdom from all of them. I certainly do not condemn
anyone for what they believe as long as they don't want to make me
believe it,
In that regard Jews are not really "evangelical".
My daughter even thought she wanted to be Jewish for a while.
made her a Menorah and she fired up all of the candles on the first
day. ;-)

I knew it was tome for a little "shooling". I got one of my Jewish IBM
buddies to explain a lot of the rituals to her.

I have a friend who married into a Jewish family and converted. I've
been to several events (Bar mitzvahs, etc) and always had a great time,
enjoyed the company.

Compared to Baptists and Catholics, the Jewish events are a real hoot.
I enjoy the friendship and good times they have. I was always
accepted, even tho I was Golem.
There is nothing more fun that a good old Jewish wedding. (bear in
mind these are "reform")


You may be a goy, the singular, and part of the "tribe" of goyim, the
plural, but you were never a golem, which is a Yiddish term for an
artificial human form brought to life by supernatural means.

The public schools in my home town closed on the Jewish high holidays.
Everyone knew some Yiddism.

It never ends...
 

On 9/20/2013 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 10:58:50 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:


...the structure of the Catholic Church and the laws governing banking
back in, well, I don't know how far it goes back.

Are you trying to say something? What IS it? Your jawbone giving you
trouble again?
He is probably saying that after Jesus threw the money changers out
of the Temple, they moved into the Vatican.

It is not shocking since the church was the government in most of the
world until fairly recently.
The only real competition before the renaissance was the Romans


Wow.. I thought you guys would better understand this being all worldly
and stuff.... Look up the laws governing banking and the church, it had
to do with lending money or borrowing money and church members. This as
frowned upon and not allowed. So anyway, Jews were used as
intermediaries, kind of like banks and they made the decisions of who to
lend to etc. That's how the whole stereotype of Jews being pricks with
money got started... or at least a good part of it...

It never ends...
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


All religions are "far-fetched" fairytales. I don't mention Jews,
Sikhs,
Hindus, et cetera, very often because they don't seem very interested
in
turning my country into a theocracy. If the Christians would just keep
their fairytales to themselves, and not try to shove their religion
and
their strange beliefs down everyones' throats, I wouldn't pay any
attention to them, either. It makes no difference to me whether
someone
worships a pet rock, the sun, or any other deity-like figure or
imaginary being.

-------------------------

Every time you spew this nonsense I have to giggle. When was the
last time some Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or atheist for that
matter try to "shove" their religion and strange beliefs down your
throat ?

It never ends...
 

On 9/20/13 4:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


All religions are "far-fetched" fairytales. I don't mention Jews, Sikhs,
Hindus, et cetera, very often because they don't seem very interested in
turning my country into a theocracy. If the Christians would just keep
their fairytales to themselves, and not try to shove their religion and
their strange beliefs down everyones' throats, I wouldn't pay any
attention to them, either. It makes no difference to me whether someone
worships a pet rock, the sun, or any other deity-like figure or
imaginary being.

-------------------------

Every time you spew this nonsense I have to giggle. When was the last
time some Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or atheist for that matter
try to "shove" their religion and strange beliefs down your throat ?


I've never had a Muslim, Buddhist, or Jew try to shove their religious
beliefs down my throat either directly or through legislative action.
Christians try it and do it all the time.

It never ends...
 

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 10:57:56 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

Black people

Ask Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Rev Wright.

Cite?

Do they get news in that bubble you live in.

"Hymietown" (Jackson)
"the diamond merchants in Crown Heights," (Sharpton)
"Them Jews aren?t going to let him talk to me." (Wright)

You can certainly google up plenty more but those are the top hits.

Oh, got it! In your narrow mind, it's only blacks......

It never ends...
 

In article ,
says...

On 9/20/2013 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 10:58:50 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:


...the structure of the Catholic Church and the laws governing banking
back in, well, I don't know how far it goes back.

Are you trying to say something? What IS it? Your jawbone giving you
trouble again?
He is probably saying that after Jesus threw the money changers out
of the Temple, they moved into the Vatican.

It is not shocking since the church was the government in most of the
world until fairly recently.
The only real competition before the renaissance was the Romans


Wow.. I thought you guys would better understand this being all worldly
and stuff.... Look up the laws governing banking and the church, it had
to do with lending money or borrowing money and church members. This as
frowned upon and not allowed. So anyway, Jews were used as
intermediaries, kind of like banks and they made the decisions of who to
lend to etc. That's how the whole stereotype of Jews being pricks with
money got started... or at least a good part of it...

Oh, holy ****!!! I don't know where to start with your insanity above!!!

It never ends...
 

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:01:47 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:55:22 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

===

Saying that Christians hate Jews is just as much of a sterotype as
saying that all Jews are good business people, and just as offensive
if not more so.

More so and pretty inaccurate.

I don't know anyone who has a particular dislike of Jews and I know a
lot of bible thumping rednecks.

Harry said it, this was a 50s and perhaps early 60s thing, mostly
among Baptists.

The strange thing is every atheist I know has a Jewish, mixed with
Catholic heritage.
(Mom or Dad converted)

Perhaps it is the idea that you can give up your beliefs and adopt
another religion, simply for love, that makes you question the whole
thing.

I think I am a spiritual guy but I have no brand loyalty and I just
seek the best wisdom from all of them. I certainly do not condemn
anyone for what they believe as long as they don't want to make me
believe it,
In that regard Jews are not really "evangelical".
My daughter even thought she wanted to be Jewish for a while.
made her a Menorah and she fired up all of the candles on the first
day. ;-)

I knew it was tome for a little "shooling". I got one of my Jewish IBM
buddies to explain a lot of the rituals to her.

I have a friend who married into a Jewish family and converted. I've
been to several events (Bar mitzvahs, etc) and always had a great time,
enjoyed the company.

Compared to Baptists and Catholics, the Jewish events are a real hoot.
I enjoy the friendship and good times they have. I was always
accepted, even tho I was Golem.
There is nothing more fun that a good old Jewish wedding. (bear in
mind these are "reform")

I'll tell you, they go all out! Last one, the Bar Mitsvah after service
party was at a place that had everything from rock climbing walls, to
pool tables, and everything in between, open bar, great buffet, even had
me come up and get a pat on the back for travelling the furthest to get
there! (the kid giving thanks to those who came, etc.)

It never ends...
 

In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


All religions are "far-fetched" fairytales. I don't mention Jews,
Sikhs,
Hindus, et cetera, very often because they don't seem very interested
in
turning my country into a theocracy. If the Christians would just keep
their fairytales to themselves, and not try to shove their religion
and
their strange beliefs down everyones' throats, I wouldn't pay any
attention to them, either. It makes no difference to me whether
someone
worships a pet rock, the sun, or any other deity-like figure or
imaginary being.

-------------------------

Every time you spew this nonsense I have to giggle. When was the
last time some Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or atheist for that
matter try to "shove" their religion and strange beliefs down your
throat ?

Just about every Saturday when the Jehovah's Witnesses come to the
'burb!

It never ends...
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/20/13 4:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


All religions are "far-fetched" fairytales. I don't mention Jews, Sikhs,
Hindus, et cetera, very often because they don't seem very interested in
turning my country into a theocracy. If the Christians would just keep
their fairytales to themselves, and not try to shove their religion and
their strange beliefs down everyones' throats, I wouldn't pay any
attention to them, either. It makes no difference to me whether someone
worships a pet rock, the sun, or any other deity-like figure or
imaginary being.

-------------------------

Every time you spew this nonsense I have to giggle. When was the last
time some Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or atheist for that matter
try to "shove" their religion and strange beliefs down your throat ?


I've never had a Muslim, Buddhist, or Jew try to shove their religious
beliefs down my throat either directly or through legislative action.
Christians try it and do it all the time.

BS. Lots of places outside the Middle East have Muslims trying to
implement Sharia law.

It never ends...
 

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


All religions are "far-fetched" fairytales. I don't mention Jews,
Sikhs,
Hindus, et cetera, very often because they don't seem very interested
in
turning my country into a theocracy. If the Christians would just keep
their fairytales to themselves, and not try to shove their religion
and
their strange beliefs down everyones' throats, I wouldn't pay any
attention to them, either. It makes no difference to me whether
someone
worships a pet rock, the sun, or any other deity-like figure or
imaginary being.

-------------------------

Every time you spew this nonsense I have to giggle. When was the
last time some Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or atheist for that
matter try to "shove" their religion and strange beliefs down your
throat ?

Just about every Saturday when the Jehovah's Witnesses come to the
'burb!

They do not shove down your throat! They are just door to door salesmen.

It never ends...
 

On 9/20/13 6:22 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/20/13 4:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


All religions are "far-fetched" fairytales. I don't mention Jews, Sikhs,
Hindus, et cetera, very often because they don't seem very interested in
turning my country into a theocracy. If the Christians would just keep
their fairytales to themselves, and not try to shove their religion and
their strange beliefs down everyones' throats, I wouldn't pay any
attention to them, either. It makes no difference to me whether someone
worships a pet rock, the sun, or any other deity-like figure or
imaginary being.

-------------------------

Every time you spew this nonsense I have to giggle. When was the last
time some Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or atheist for that matter
try to "shove" their religion and strange beliefs down your throat ?


I've never had a Muslim, Buddhist, or Jew try to shove their religious
beliefs down my throat either directly or through legislative action.
Christians try it and do it all the time.

BS. Lots of places outside the Middle East have Muslims trying to
implement Sharia law.



Try reading again, noticing how the first sentence begins.

"I've never had a Muslim, et cetera..."

As far as I know, there are no Muslim initiatives in my state, county,
or town pushing Sharia law.

It never ends...
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/20/13 6:22 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/20/13 4:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


All religions are "far-fetched" fairytales. I don't mention Jews, Sikhs,
Hindus, et cetera, very often because they don't seem very interested in
turning my country into a theocracy. If the Christians would just keep
their fairytales to themselves, and not try to shove their religion and
their strange beliefs down everyones' throats, I wouldn't pay any
attention to them, either. It makes no difference to me whether someone
worships a pet rock, the sun, or any other deity-like figure or
imaginary being.

-------------------------

Every time you spew this nonsense I have to giggle. When was the last
time some Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or atheist for that matter
try to "shove" their religion and strange beliefs down your throat ?


I've never had a Muslim, Buddhist, or Jew try to shove their religious
beliefs down my throat either directly or through legislative action.
Christians try it and do it all the time.

BS. Lots of places outside the Middle East have Muslims trying to
implement Sharia law.



Try reading again, noticing how the first sentence begins.

"I've never had a Muslim, et cetera..."

As far as I know, there are no Muslim initiatives in my state, county, or
town pushing Sharia law.

You have never had anyone try to break in your front door, but you still
claim fear of just that. Waffle, waffle.

It never ends...
 

In article 2122708246401408251.276863bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


All religions are "far-fetched" fairytales. I don't mention Jews,
Sikhs,
Hindus, et cetera, very often because they don't seem very interested
in
turning my country into a theocracy. If the Christians would just keep
their fairytales to themselves, and not try to shove their religion
and
their strange beliefs down everyones' throats, I wouldn't pay any
attention to them, either. It makes no difference to me whether
someone
worships a pet rock, the sun, or any other deity-like figure or
imaginary being.

-------------------------

Every time you spew this nonsense I have to giggle. When was the
last time some Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or atheist for that
matter try to "shove" their religion and strange beliefs down your
throat ?

Just about every Saturday when the Jehovah's Witnesses come to the
'burb!

They do not shove down your throat! They are just door to door salesmen.

Oh, I didn't know you were silly enough to think that the term "shove it
down your throat" to you meant literally..... Sheeesh.....

It never ends...
 

On 9/21/13 10:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 2122708246401408251.276863bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


All religions are "far-fetched" fairytales. I don't mention Jews,
Sikhs,
Hindus, et cetera, very often because they don't seem very interested
in
turning my country into a theocracy. If the Christians would just keep
their fairytales to themselves, and not try to shove their religion
and
their strange beliefs down everyones' throats, I wouldn't pay any
attention to them, either. It makes no difference to me whether
someone
worships a pet rock, the sun, or any other deity-like figure or
imaginary being.

-------------------------

Every time you spew this nonsense I have to giggle. When was the
last time some Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or atheist for that
matter try to "shove" their religion and strange beliefs down your
throat ?

Just about every Saturday when the Jehovah's Witnesses come to the
'burb!

They do not shove down your throat! They are just door to door salesmen.

Oh, I didn't know you were silly enough to think that the term "shove it
down your throat" to you meant literally..... Sheeesh.....


Actually, the few times Jehovah's Witnesses have come to the door,
they've been kindly, elderly black ladies and I'm always happy to say
hello, even though I have no interest in what they are selling.

What I am referring to are the attempts of "the religious" to
legislative or otherwise mandate their superstitious beliefs and "rules"
on society as a whole and on the many individuals who do not believe as
they do.