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Mr. Luddite[_2_] September 17th 13 01:21 PM

Internet Service
 
I learned something last night.

Our Internet service provider is Comcast. When we originally had it
set up Comcast provided the wireless router. About a year ago we
were experiencing increasing drop outs of connectivity to the Internet
although our computers and wireless devices connected to the router
fine.

I finally called Comcast and they did some remote tests. They
informed me that our router had come to it's "End of Life". Not
being very IP savvy, I thought that was a hilarious way of saying
"Your router is dead". But it really means it is obsolete in terms
of being able to sync to newer system standards.

So, I went down to Best Buy and bought a new router. Hooked
everything up and it has run fine for the past year .... until a few
days ago.
We started experiencing similar problems that we had encountered with
the original one with very spotty connection to the Internet that kept
dropping out.

Initially I thought maybe the new router was now obsolete also however
I checked the manual that came with it and determined that it was
designed for both D-2.0 and the newest D-3.0 standards.

Turns out Comcast has been upgrading to D-3.0 in our area recently and
the router needed a "reset" to handle it. A simple power down, wait,
and power up does not accomplish the reset. There's a small hole in
the back with a momentary switch that you need to depress for 5
seconds or more while the router is on in order to initialize a reset.
Comcast can do this remotely, but you pay a service charge for it.

Anyway, I pushed the little switch in with a pen, held it for over 5
seconds, and let it reboot. So far, so good. Service has been
stable with none of the drop outs we've been experiencing for about 4
days. On a hunch, I also went to a couple of speed test websites
and discovered our download and upload speeds have increased also.

Thought I'd post this info in case there are other computer age
technology challenged people like me out there.


F.O.A.D. September 17th 13 01:33 PM

Internet Service
 
On 9/17/13 8:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
I learned something last night.

Our Internet service provider is Comcast. When we originally had it
set up Comcast provided the wireless router. About a year ago we were
experiencing increasing drop outs of connectivity to the Internet
although our computers and wireless devices connected to the router fine.

I finally called Comcast and they did some remote tests. They
informed me that our router had come to it's "End of Life". Not being
very IP savvy, I thought that was a hilarious way of saying "Your router
is dead". But it really means it is obsolete in terms of being able
to sync to newer system standards.

So, I went down to Best Buy and bought a new router. Hooked
everything up and it has run fine for the past year .... until a few
days ago.
We started experiencing similar problems that we had encountered with
the original one with very spotty connection to the Internet that kept
dropping out.

Initially I thought maybe the new router was now obsolete also however I
checked the manual that came with it and determined that it was designed
for both D-2.0 and the newest D-3.0 standards.

Turns out Comcast has been upgrading to D-3.0 in our area recently and
the router needed a "reset" to handle it. A simple power down, wait,
and power up does not accomplish the reset. There's a small hole in
the back with a momentary switch that you need to depress for 5 seconds
or more while the router is on in order to initialize a reset. Comcast
can do this remotely, but you pay a service charge for it.

Anyway, I pushed the little switch in with a pen, held it for over 5
seconds, and let it reboot. So far, so good. Service has been stable
with none of the drop outs we've been experiencing for about 4 days.
On a hunch, I also went to a couple of speed test websites and
discovered our download and upload speeds have increased also.

Thought I'd post this info in case there are other computer age
technology challenged people like me out there.



The last time I spoke with our cable provider, I was told I needed a new
cable modem, too, in order to take advantage of the "new, higher
speeds." So I asked "what speeds, precisely?" The answer I got indicated
speeds I already was getting, so I didn't upgrade the cable modem for
$5.00 more a month. I have a separate router, as do many people, so I
didn't see any need to even think about replacing that.

The cable company persists in trying to sell me on its phone service,
which runs over its internet cabling. I got rid of one of our land lines
but we still have one that we rarely use. About 99.9% of our calls these
days are from or to our cell phones. Phone over internet is no more
reliable than its cable TV provider, and I've never been impressed with
our cable provider.

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but the two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing info
that is clear and understandable.

iBoaterer[_3_] September 17th 13 01:50 PM

Internet Service
 
In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

I learned something last night.

Our Internet service provider is Comcast. When we originally had it
set up Comcast provided the wireless router. About a year ago we
were experiencing increasing drop outs of connectivity to the Internet
although our computers and wireless devices connected to the router
fine.

I finally called Comcast and they did some remote tests. They
informed me that our router had come to it's "End of Life". Not
being very IP savvy, I thought that was a hilarious way of saying
"Your router is dead". But it really means it is obsolete in terms
of being able to sync to newer system standards.

So, I went down to Best Buy and bought a new router. Hooked
everything up and it has run fine for the past year .... until a few
days ago.
We started experiencing similar problems that we had encountered with
the original one with very spotty connection to the Internet that kept
dropping out.

Initially I thought maybe the new router was now obsolete also however
I checked the manual that came with it and determined that it was
designed for both D-2.0 and the newest D-3.0 standards.

Turns out Comcast has been upgrading to D-3.0 in our area recently and
the router needed a "reset" to handle it. A simple power down, wait,
and power up does not accomplish the reset. There's a small hole in
the back with a momentary switch that you need to depress for 5
seconds or more while the router is on in order to initialize a reset.
Comcast can do this remotely, but you pay a service charge for it.

Anyway, I pushed the little switch in with a pen, held it for over 5
seconds, and let it reboot. So far, so good. Service has been
stable with none of the drop outs we've been experiencing for about 4
days. On a hunch, I also went to a couple of speed test websites
and discovered our download and upload speeds have increased also.

Thought I'd post this info in case there are other computer age
technology challenged people like me out there.


Interesting. I also have Comcast. Love the speed. They provided the
modem, but I provide the router. Everything was great then one day, no
connection. They send trouble codes, all come back good, so that means
the modem is good. So, go get another wireless router, hook it up, now
we are back in business, well that was a year ago. Now, it drops and you
have to reboot to get it back up. I'm going to look into this D-2.0 to
D-3.0 thing, thanks.

Wayne.B September 17th 13 01:52 PM

Internet Service
 
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:21:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com
wrote:

Thought I'd post this info in case there are other computer age
technology challenged people like me out there.


===

The good news is that the ISPs are upgrading their networks; bad news
is that they are doing it in a disruptive and cavalier manner. We've
experienced the same thing here with our high speed DSL service. One
day things will stop working. You go through the service call process
and jump through all of their hoops, only to find out that things were
changed with no warning or announcement. It's a lousy way to run a
business.

Wayne.B September 17th 13 01:54 PM

Internet Service
 
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but the two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing info
that is clear and understandable.


===

Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.
Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.

Mr. Luddite[_2_] September 17th 13 01:55 PM

Internet Service
 


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but the
two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing info
that is clear and understandable.

------------------------------

We have cable TV service with several High Definition "boxes" in
various rooms of the house. It's more for Mrs.E. I rarely watch
TV other than some of the cable news channels, the History Channel,
re-runs of "MASH" and "Everyone Loves Raymond". Once in a while
I'll watch a Patriots game and more often this year, a Red Sox game.

I also have the Direct TV box and portable dish that I used to use on
the boat. I installed it in my man cave and use it most of the time.

One thing that I have noticed (and I think I've mentioned this before)
is that the quality of the standard (non-HD) picture from Direct TV
often rivals that of Comcast's HD signal. It's not HD obviously but
when watching a LCD or Plasma TV from a distance, the difference
between the two is not very noticeable. I've been told that Comcast
must compress their HD signal much like mp3's compress audio in order
to send all the channels over a limited bandwidth capacity cable.



F.O.A.D. September 17th 13 01:57 PM

Internet Service
 
On 9/17/13 8:50 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

I learned something last night.

Our Internet service provider is Comcast. When we originally had it
set up Comcast provided the wireless router. About a year ago we
were experiencing increasing drop outs of connectivity to the Internet
although our computers and wireless devices connected to the router
fine.

I finally called Comcast and they did some remote tests. They
informed me that our router had come to it's "End of Life". Not
being very IP savvy, I thought that was a hilarious way of saying
"Your router is dead". But it really means it is obsolete in terms
of being able to sync to newer system standards.

So, I went down to Best Buy and bought a new router. Hooked
everything up and it has run fine for the past year .... until a few
days ago.
We started experiencing similar problems that we had encountered with
the original one with very spotty connection to the Internet that kept
dropping out.

Initially I thought maybe the new router was now obsolete also however
I checked the manual that came with it and determined that it was
designed for both D-2.0 and the newest D-3.0 standards.

Turns out Comcast has been upgrading to D-3.0 in our area recently and
the router needed a "reset" to handle it. A simple power down, wait,
and power up does not accomplish the reset. There's a small hole in
the back with a momentary switch that you need to depress for 5
seconds or more while the router is on in order to initialize a reset.
Comcast can do this remotely, but you pay a service charge for it.

Anyway, I pushed the little switch in with a pen, held it for over 5
seconds, and let it reboot. So far, so good. Service has been
stable with none of the drop outs we've been experiencing for about 4
days. On a hunch, I also went to a couple of speed test websites
and discovered our download and upload speeds have increased also.

Thought I'd post this info in case there are other computer age
technology challenged people like me out there.


Interesting. I also have Comcast. Love the speed. They provided the
modem, but I provide the router. Everything was great then one day, no
connection. They send trouble codes, all come back good, so that means
the modem is good. So, go get another wireless router, hook it up, now
we are back in business, well that was a year ago. Now, it drops and you
have to reboot to get it back up. I'm going to look into this D-2.0 to
D-3.0 thing, thanks.



Amazing how slick the cable companies are when they email or snail mail
you something they want you to buy, like additional service. It's too
bad most places have no real competition among cable providers. Here,
it's the cable company or one of the dish companies and Verizon pimping
Dish Network because though it says it has FIOS in our immediate
area...it doesn't.

F.O.A.D. September 17th 13 02:03 PM

Internet Service
 
On 9/17/13 8:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but the two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing info
that is clear and understandable.

------------------------------

We have cable TV service with several High Definition "boxes" in various
rooms of the house. It's more for Mrs.E. I rarely watch TV other
than some of the cable news channels, the History Channel, re-runs of
"MASH" and "Everyone Loves Raymond". Once in a while I'll watch a
Patriots game and more often this year, a Red Sox game.

I also have the Direct TV box and portable dish that I used to use on
the boat. I installed it in my man cave and use it most of the time.

One thing that I have noticed (and I think I've mentioned this before)
is that the quality of the standard (non-HD) picture from Direct TV
often rivals that of Comcast's HD signal. It's not HD obviously but
when watching a LCD or Plasma TV from a distance, the difference between
the two is not very noticeable. I've been told that Comcast must
compress their HD signal much like mp3's compress audio in order to send
all the channels over a limited bandwidth capacity cable.



We've got "digital" cable and three HD/DVR boxes, and with all that, I
still don't find much I like to watch beyond the news/science/history
channels. Most of the premium movie channels play the same crappy movies
over and over and over, and I have absolutely no tolerance for the
"reality" shows. I do like "Newsroom" and "Boardwalk Empire," especially
the latter, because it is so dark.

Mr. Luddite[_2_] September 17th 13 02:36 PM

Internet Service
 


"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

I learned something last night.

Our Internet service provider is Comcast. When we originally had
it
set up Comcast provided the wireless router. About a year ago we
were experiencing increasing drop outs of connectivity to the
Internet
although our computers and wireless devices connected to the router
fine.

I finally called Comcast and they did some remote tests. They
informed me that our router had come to it's "End of Life". Not
being very IP savvy, I thought that was a hilarious way of saying
"Your router is dead". But it really means it is obsolete in
terms
of being able to sync to newer system standards.

So, I went down to Best Buy and bought a new router. Hooked
everything up and it has run fine for the past year .... until a few
days ago.
We started experiencing similar problems that we had encountered
with
the original one with very spotty connection to the Internet that
kept
dropping out.

Initially I thought maybe the new router was now obsolete also
however
I checked the manual that came with it and determined that it was
designed for both D-2.0 and the newest D-3.0 standards.

Turns out Comcast has been upgrading to D-3.0 in our area recently
and
the router needed a "reset" to handle it. A simple power down,
wait,
and power up does not accomplish the reset. There's a small hole
in
the back with a momentary switch that you need to depress for 5
seconds or more while the router is on in order to initialize a
reset.
Comcast can do this remotely, but you pay a service charge for it.

Anyway, I pushed the little switch in with a pen, held it for over
5
seconds, and let it reboot. So far, so good. Service has been
stable with none of the drop outs we've been experiencing for about
4
days. On a hunch, I also went to a couple of speed test websites
and discovered our download and upload speeds have increased also.

Thought I'd post this info in case there are other computer age
technology challenged people like me out there.


Interesting. I also have Comcast. Love the speed. They provided the
modem, but I provide the router. Everything was great then one day, no
connection. They send trouble codes, all come back good, so that means
the modem is good. So, go get another wireless router, hook it up, now
we are back in business, well that was a year ago. Now, it drops and
you
have to reboot to get it back up. I'm going to look into this D-2.0 to
D-3.0 thing, thanks.

------------------------

Our wireless "router" and "modem" is one and the same. If yours is
D.30 capable but your service has been D.20 up to now, it may require
the "reset" I was talking about to learn the new protocol standard.

I am noticing that the speed is noticeably faster now .... and no
more drop outs like we've had for the past 4 days. Fingers are
crossed.



F.O.A.D. September 17th 13 02:38 PM

Internet Service
 
On 9/17/13 8:54 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but the two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing info
that is clear and understandable.


===

Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.
Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.


Verizon keeps talking about FIOS around here, but it isn't delivering.
It likes population density, which we don't have.

Mr. Luddite[_2_] September 17th 13 02:44 PM

Internet Service
 


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but the
two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing info
that is clear and understandable.


===

Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.
Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.

------------------------

I can understand that in your area given the almost daily
thunderstorms you have during the summer. Up here we have a few, but
not often.
When we were in Florida we had Direct TV but we were only there for
the winter months with few thunderstorms.

The only problem I have up here with Direct TV is that a tree has
grown a leaf laden branch directly in liine with the dish to satellite
view.
It's not normally a problem unless the wind is strong, blowing the
limb and leaves around. A tall ladder and a chain saw will take
care of that soon.
Oh ... and if we have a heavy, wet snowfall, I have to brush it off
the dish once in a while. I mounted the portable dish on the railing
of a porch that goes off my man cave, so that isn't really a big deal
to do.





Mr. Luddite[_2_] September 17th 13 03:01 PM

Internet Service
 


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 9/17/13 8:54 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but
the two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing
info
that is clear and understandable.


===

Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.
Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.


Verizon keeps talking about FIOS around here, but it isn't delivering.
It likes population density, which we don't have.

----------------------------

Verizon FIOS is available in our area. They were promoting "free"
hookups if you signed on for several years, so we checked into it.
Our house is located about 500 feet from the road and all the
utilities (cable, electric) are buried underground in conduit that was
installed when the house was built. The Verizon guy shook his head.
They would only do a "free" overhead run which was impossible because
there are no telephone poles anywhere.





F.O.A.D. September 17th 13 03:32 PM

Internet Service
 
On 9/17/13 10:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 9/17/13 8:54 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but the two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing info
that is clear and understandable.


===

Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.
Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.


Verizon keeps talking about FIOS around here, but it isn't delivering.
It likes population density, which we don't have.

----------------------------

Verizon FIOS is available in our area. They were promoting "free"
hookups if you signed on for several years, so we checked into it.
Our house is located about 500 feet from the road and all the utilities
(cable, electric) are buried underground in conduit that was installed
when the house was built. The Verizon guy shook his head. They would
only do a "free" overhead run which was impossible because there are no
telephone poles anywhere.





Our little private road and the public road that leads into it have
underground electric, telephone, and standard cable. The public road
leads to a regular service county road and then about a third of a mile
away, a state road. The county road, much, much older, has overhead
electric and telephone and, I presume, cable.

A year or so ago, I saw the cable infrastructure installers using their
equipment to run optical cable to the two public schools on the state
road, but they didn't go any farther. None of the feeder roads directly
connected to the state road got optical cable, either.

iBoaterer[_3_] September 17th 13 04:09 PM

Internet Service
 
In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 9/17/13 8:54 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but
the two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing
info
that is clear and understandable.


===

Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.
Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.


Verizon keeps talking about FIOS around here, but it isn't delivering.
It likes population density, which we don't have.

----------------------------

Verizon FIOS is available in our area. They were promoting "free"
hookups if you signed on for several years, so we checked into it.
Our house is located about 500 feet from the road and all the
utilities (cable, electric) are buried underground in conduit that was
installed when the house was built. The Verizon guy shook his head.
They would only do a "free" overhead run which was impossible because
there are no telephone poles anywhere.


When Comcast came to our office park, they ran fiber optics throughout
the park, 7 different office buildings, through the existing conduit.
Then once inside the buildings (3 or 4 stories, lot's of suites) they
could run where ever anybody wanted it. It was pretty interesting.

iBoaterer[_3_] September 17th 13 04:11 PM

Internet Service
 
In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but the
two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing info
that is clear and understandable.


===

Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.
Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.

------------------------

I can understand that in your area given the almost daily
thunderstorms you have during the summer. Up here we have a few, but
not often.
When we were in Florida we had Direct TV but we were only there for
the winter months with few thunderstorms.

The only problem I have up here with Direct TV is that a tree has
grown a leaf laden branch directly in liine with the dish to satellite
view.
It's not normally a problem unless the wind is strong, blowing the
limb and leaves around. A tall ladder and a chain saw will take
care of that soon.
Oh ... and if we have a heavy, wet snowfall, I have to brush it off
the dish once in a while. I mounted the portable dish on the railing
of a porch that goes off my man cave, so that isn't really a big deal
to do.


I've heard they have come a long way as far as rain and storms blocking
signal. Do you find that to be true?

iBoaterer[_3_] September 17th 13 04:14 PM

Internet Service
 
In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

I learned something last night.

Our Internet service provider is Comcast. When we originally had
it
set up Comcast provided the wireless router. About a year ago we
were experiencing increasing drop outs of connectivity to the
Internet
although our computers and wireless devices connected to the router
fine.

I finally called Comcast and they did some remote tests. They
informed me that our router had come to it's "End of Life". Not
being very IP savvy, I thought that was a hilarious way of saying
"Your router is dead". But it really means it is obsolete in
terms
of being able to sync to newer system standards.

So, I went down to Best Buy and bought a new router. Hooked
everything up and it has run fine for the past year .... until a few
days ago.
We started experiencing similar problems that we had encountered
with
the original one with very spotty connection to the Internet that
kept
dropping out.

Initially I thought maybe the new router was now obsolete also
however
I checked the manual that came with it and determined that it was
designed for both D-2.0 and the newest D-3.0 standards.

Turns out Comcast has been upgrading to D-3.0 in our area recently
and
the router needed a "reset" to handle it. A simple power down,
wait,
and power up does not accomplish the reset. There's a small hole
in
the back with a momentary switch that you need to depress for 5
seconds or more while the router is on in order to initialize a
reset.
Comcast can do this remotely, but you pay a service charge for it.

Anyway, I pushed the little switch in with a pen, held it for over
5
seconds, and let it reboot. So far, so good. Service has been
stable with none of the drop outs we've been experiencing for about
4
days. On a hunch, I also went to a couple of speed test websites
and discovered our download and upload speeds have increased also.

Thought I'd post this info in case there are other computer age
technology challenged people like me out there.


Interesting. I also have Comcast. Love the speed. They provided the
modem, but I provide the router. Everything was great then one day, no
connection. They send trouble codes, all come back good, so that means
the modem is good. So, go get another wireless router, hook it up, now
we are back in business, well that was a year ago. Now, it drops and
you
have to reboot to get it back up. I'm going to look into this D-2.0 to
D-3.0 thing, thanks.

------------------------

Our wireless "router" and "modem" is one and the same. If yours is
D.30 capable but your service has been D.20 up to now, it may require
the "reset" I was talking about to learn the new protocol standard.

I am noticing that the speed is noticeably faster now .... and no
more drop outs like we've had for the past 4 days. Fingers are
crossed.


My modem isn't a wireless router, I have to add the wireless router
inline. Going to check tonight to see if my router is capable and if
Comcast is going to D-3.0 here.

[email protected] September 17th 13 04:40 PM

Internet Service
 
On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:22:21 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:42 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:



On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:




Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but the two


dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing info


that is clear and understandable.




===




Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.


Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.




I have Dish with the OTA module in the DVR so I get the best of both

worlds.



Comcast was too unreliable to seriously consider and it would

certainly never be my "one pipe" connection to the world.


We have Time Warner, and although their customer service is spotty, their quality of service is excellent. With HD, DVR (with an external 1TB drive), telephone and internet service, they are my one pipe. I resisted adding telephone until I was sure that the FAX and alarm system would work over their connection as good as POTS from Ma Bell. I can't remember the last time we had an outage.

Mr. Luddite[_2_] September 17th 13 06:08 PM

Internet Service
 


"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but
the
two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing
info
that is clear and understandable.


===

Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.
Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.

------------------------

I can understand that in your area given the almost daily
thunderstorms you have during the summer. Up here we have a few,
but
not often.
When we were in Florida we had Direct TV but we were only there for
the winter months with few thunderstorms.

The only problem I have up here with Direct TV is that a tree has
grown a leaf laden branch directly in liine with the dish to
satellite
view.
It's not normally a problem unless the wind is strong, blowing the
limb and leaves around. A tall ladder and a chain saw will take
care of that soon.
Oh ... and if we have a heavy, wet snowfall, I have to brush it off
the dish once in a while. I mounted the portable dish on the
railing
of a porch that goes off my man cave, so that isn't really a big
deal
to do.


I've heard they have come a long way as far as rain and storms
blocking
signal. Do you find that to be true?

---------------------------------

Hard to tell because I don't know how it was way back when. If we
have a very heavy thunderstorm roll in with thick clouds and rain,
I'll lose the sat signal until it passes. Same with a heavy
snowstorm. But, it really has to be coming down in buckets to screw
it up. My dish isn't anything fancy ... just a portable oval type
with one "pickup" or whatever it is.

What amazed me is when I had it on the boat. Scituate Harbor tides
can run 10 feet (low to high) and I never lost the signal or
reception. Also, if it was really windy and the boat was moving
around a lot in the slip, it also didn't bother it. This was a fixed
disk ... not one of the fancy auto adjusting servo types. Worked
well.



Mr. Luddite[_2_] September 17th 13 06:13 PM

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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...


My modem isn't a wireless router, I have to add the wireless router
inline. Going to check tonight to see if my router is capable and if
Comcast is going to D-3.0 here.

--------------------------

Well, as an update our connection to the Internet has been rock solid
all day today ... for the first time since last Thursday.
I did the "reset" thing shortly late last night and it's been stable
ever since. I think the router "learns" the D-3.0 protocol in the
reset procedure.



iBoaterer[_3_] September 17th 13 06:46 PM

Internet Service
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:42 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but the two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing info
that is clear and understandable.


===

Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.
Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.


I have Dish with the OTA module in the DVR so I get the best of both
worlds.

Comcast was too unreliable to seriously consider and it would
certainly never be my "one pipe" connection to the world.


I had one outage with Comcast that I can remember, 3 or 4 years ago.

F.O.A.D. September 17th 13 06:50 PM

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On 9/17/13 1:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:42 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but the two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing info
that is clear and understandable.

===

Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.
Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.


I have Dish with the OTA module in the DVR so I get the best of both
worlds.

Comcast was too unreliable to seriously consider and it would
certainly never be my "one pipe" connection to the world.


I had one outage with Comcast that I can remember, 3 or 4 years ago.


We had a half hour cable outage yesterday in conjunction with a half
hour power company outage.

iBoaterer[_3_] September 17th 13 06:57 PM

Internet Service
 
In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but
the
two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing
info
that is clear and understandable.


===

Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.
Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.

------------------------

I can understand that in your area given the almost daily
thunderstorms you have during the summer. Up here we have a few,
but
not often.
When we were in Florida we had Direct TV but we were only there for
the winter months with few thunderstorms.

The only problem I have up here with Direct TV is that a tree has
grown a leaf laden branch directly in liine with the dish to
satellite
view.
It's not normally a problem unless the wind is strong, blowing the
limb and leaves around. A tall ladder and a chain saw will take
care of that soon.
Oh ... and if we have a heavy, wet snowfall, I have to brush it off
the dish once in a while. I mounted the portable dish on the
railing
of a porch that goes off my man cave, so that isn't really a big
deal
to do.


I've heard they have come a long way as far as rain and storms
blocking
signal. Do you find that to be true?

---------------------------------

Hard to tell because I don't know how it was way back when. If we
have a very heavy thunderstorm roll in with thick clouds and rain,
I'll lose the sat signal until it passes. Same with a heavy
snowstorm. But, it really has to be coming down in buckets to screw
it up. My dish isn't anything fancy ... just a portable oval type
with one "pickup" or whatever it is.

What amazed me is when I had it on the boat. Scituate Harbor tides
can run 10 feet (low to high) and I never lost the signal or
reception. Also, if it was really windy and the boat was moving
around a lot in the slip, it also didn't bother it. This was a fixed
disk ... not one of the fancy auto adjusting servo types. Worked
well.


I watch Direct TV at a couple of hotels I frequent when I travel for
work, and I really like it. I really like Comcast cable and internet
but, they have a stranglehold here and are getting pricey.

iBoaterer[_3_] September 17th 13 06:58 PM

Internet Service
 
In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...


My modem isn't a wireless router, I have to add the wireless router
inline. Going to check tonight to see if my router is capable and if
Comcast is going to D-3.0 here.

--------------------------

Well, as an update our connection to the Internet has been rock solid
all day today ... for the first time since last Thursday.
I did the "reset" thing shortly late last night and it's been stable
ever since. I think the router "learns" the D-3.0 protocol in the
reset procedure.


I'm going to look into mine, it's pretty new, so it may learn it as
well.

iBoaterer[_3_] September 17th 13 07:17 PM

Internet Service
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:46:07 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:42 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but the two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing info
that is clear and understandable.

===

Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.
Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.

I have Dish with the OTA module in the DVR so I get the best of both
worlds.

Comcast was too unreliable to seriously consider and it would
certainly never be my "one pipe" connection to the world.


I had one outage with Comcast that I can remember, 3 or 4 years ago.


You might not know how often you have a drop out unless you are
pinging the net fairly regularly. I hit it once a minute with the
weather station. The outages were usually a few minutes at a time but
some went for an hour or more.

After a storm like Charley and Wilma, it was out for a couple weeks.
TV came back in a week but the net didn't.


My Outlook sends and receives every 30 seconds.

John H[_2_] September 17th 13 08:10 PM

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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:42 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but the two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing info
that is clear and understandable.


===

Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.
Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.


I have two neighbors who signed up for FIOS with Verizon. Both are going back to Cox when their two
years is up. They came over to tell me about their problems when they saw the Verizon folks digging
a trench up to the house. I had called to have it installed. I stopped the installation. Maybe in a
couple years they'll get the bugs worked out.

Oh, both neighbors complained of problems with Netflix, which we watch quite frequently.
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

iBoaterer[_3_] September 17th 13 09:41 PM

Internet Service
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:17:45 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...


You might not know how often you have a drop out unless you are
pinging the net fairly regularly. I hit it once a minute with the
weather station. The outages were usually a few minutes at a time but
some went for an hour or more.

After a storm like Charley and Wilma, it was out for a couple weeks.
TV came back in a week but the net didn't.


My Outlook sends and receives every 30 seconds.


24/7 ?


Yes.

Comcast may just be better up there but it sucks here


It has it's ****ty parts, but it keeps humming along here at least!


My wife has a commercial account at work and they don't do much
better.


We had ATT at the office and it's DSL sucked, always going out, call
them, yes, there's an outage in your area, we expect it to be back in X
hours (or days!)



Mr. Luddite[_2_] September 17th 13 09:43 PM

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wrote in message ...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:46:07 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:42 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but
the two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing
info
that is clear and understandable.

===

Satellite TV service is very susceptible to thunderstorm outages.
Fiber optic is the way to go if they have it in your area.


I have Dish with the OTA module in the DVR so I get the best of
both
worlds.

Comcast was too unreliable to seriously consider and it would
certainly never be my "one pipe" connection to the world.


I had one outage with Comcast that I can remember, 3 or 4 years ago.


You might not know how often you have a drop out unless you are
pinging the net fairly regularly. I hit it once a minute with the
weather station. The outages were usually a few minutes at a time but
some went for an hour or more.

After a storm like Charley and Wilma, it was out for a couple weeks.
TV came back in a week but the net didn't.

-----------------------

Direct TV never missed a beat during Wilma at the house we had in
Florida. Power went out but I hooked the TV and sat receiver up to
the generator. I was watching the storm coverage as the eye passed
over us.



Earl[_91_] September 18th 13 01:21 AM

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F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/17/13 8:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


Every so often, I think about converting from cable to dish, but the two
dish companies here seem unwilling or incapable of distributing info
that is clear and understandable.

------------------------------

We have cable TV service with several High Definition "boxes" in various
rooms of the house. It's more for Mrs.E. I rarely watch TV other
than some of the cable news channels, the History Channel, re-runs of
"MASH" and "Everyone Loves Raymond". Once in a while I'll watch a
Patriots game and more often this year, a Red Sox game.

I also have the Direct TV box and portable dish that I used to use on
the boat. I installed it in my man cave and use it most of the time.

One thing that I have noticed (and I think I've mentioned this before)
is that the quality of the standard (non-HD) picture from Direct TV
often rivals that of Comcast's HD signal. It's not HD obviously but
when watching a LCD or Plasma TV from a distance, the difference between
the two is not very noticeable. I've been told that Comcast must
compress their HD signal much like mp3's compress audio in order to send
all the channels over a limited bandwidth capacity cable.



We've got "digital" cable and three HD/DVR boxes, and with all that, I
still don't find much I like to watch beyond the news/science/history
channels. Most of the premium movie channels play the same crappy
movies over and over and over, and I have absolutely no tolerance for
the "reality" shows. I do like "Newsroom" and "Boardwalk Empire,"
especially the latter, because it is so dark.

Maybe you can get your basement DVR downgraded to receive the expanded
cable channels minus the premium channels.


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