Gosh...will shares in prison stock take a nosedive?
 

Probably not, unless the states follow suit.


SAN FRANCISCO — Federal prosecutors will no longer seek long, "mandatory
minimum" sentences for many low-level, nonviolent drug offenders, under
a major shift in policy aimed at turning around decades of explosive
growth in the federal prison population, Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr.
planned to announce Monday.

"Too many Americans go to too many prisons for far too long, and for no
good law enforcement reason," Holder planned to tell the American Bar
Assn. meeting here, according to an advance text of his remarks. "While
the aggressive enforcement of federal criminal statutes remains
necessary, we cannot simply prosecute or incarcerate our way to becoming
a safer nation."

Under the new policy, prosecutors would send fewer drug offenders to
federal prison for long terms and send more of them to drug treatment
and community service. A Justice Department spokesman said officials had
no estimate of how many future prosecutions would be affected.

http://tinyurl.com/lv6fffy

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Private prisons at the state and local level...a boom business for
corporate America, with the business execs pushing for more and more
"crimes" to be added to the books and longer sentences, too, so they can
keep those cells overfilled, all operated with very little public
oversight. Part of how America lost its way.

Gosh...will shares in prison stock take a nosedive?
 

On 8/12/2013 6:27 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Probably not, unless the states follow suit.


SAN FRANCISCO — Federal prosecutors will no longer seek long, "mandatory
minimum" sentences for many low-level, nonviolent drug offenders, under
a major shift in policy aimed at turning around decades of explosive
growth in the federal prison population, Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr.
planned to announce Monday.

"Too many Americans go to too many prisons for far too long, and for no
good law enforcement reason," Holder planned to tell the American Bar
Assn. meeting here, according to an advance text of his remarks. "While
the aggressive enforcement of federal criminal statutes remains
necessary, we cannot simply prosecute or incarcerate our way to becoming
a safer nation."

Under the new policy, prosecutors would send fewer drug offenders to
federal prison for long terms and send more of them to drug treatment
and community service. A Justice Department spokesman said officials had
no estimate of how many future prosecutions would be affected.

http://tinyurl.com/lv6fffy

- - -

Private prisons at the state and local level...a boom business for
corporate America, with the business execs pushing for more and more
"crimes" to be added to the books and longer sentences, too, so they can
keep those cells overfilled, all operated with very little public
oversight. Part of how America lost its way.

So the cartels have successfully lobbied Washington to lay off their
clientele. And, obviously, you approve.

Gosh...will shares in prison stock take a nosedive?
 

On 8/12/13 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:21:17 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/12/13 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:59:24 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/12/13 11:56 AM, wrote:

Government owned prisons don't really have that good a record either.


Yeah, I know that, but they typically are better than private
hell-holes, and they are answerable to the taxpayers and their
officials. That's many steps up the ladder from being answerable to
shareholders.

At a certain point the crime victims think prison should be
uncomfortable even miserable.
A prisoner should have a worse life than the person on the lowest rung
on the economic ladder outside.
Otherwise why fear prison?

Think about a victim of Bernie Madoff who knows they are buying Bernie
room, board and health care when they may not to be able to afford it
for themselves.
Then you have the Cleveland 3. I bet they have some ideas about how
Castro should spend the rest of his miserable life. I bet getting fat
watching TV ain't it.




"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor
cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." Of course, that didn't prevent
a backwards state like Florida from executing an obviously deranged
prisoner -John Ferguson- last week.

Gosh...will shares in prison stock take a nosedive?
 

On 8/12/13 4:03 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/12/13 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:21:17 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/12/13 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:59:24 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/12/13 11:56 AM, wrote:

Government owned prisons don't really have that good a record either.


Yeah, I know that, but they typically are better than private
hell-holes, and they are answerable to the taxpayers and their
officials. That's many steps up the ladder from being answerable to
shareholders.

At a certain point the crime victims think prison should be
uncomfortable even miserable.
A prisoner should have a worse life than the person on the lowest rung
on the economic ladder outside.
Otherwise why fear prison?

Think about a victim of Bernie Madoff who knows they are buying Bernie
room, board and health care when they may not to be able to afford it
for themselves.
Then you have the Cleveland 3. I bet they have some ideas about how
Castro should spend the rest of his miserable life. I bet getting fat
watching TV ain't it.




"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor
cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." Of course, that didn't prevent
a backwards state like Florida from executing an obviously deranged
prisoner -John Ferguson- last week.


Oh...the United States has about 5% of the world's population and about
25% of the world's incarcerated population. It's good we're still the
leader in something, eh?

Gosh...will shares in prison stock take a nosedive?
 

On 8/12/13 4:25 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:03:43 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/12/13 3:45 PM, wrote:

Think about a victim of Bernie Madoff who knows they are buying Bernie
room, board and health care when they may not to be able to afford it
for themselves.
Then you have the Cleveland 3. I bet they have some ideas about how
Castro should spend the rest of his miserable life. I bet getting fat
watching TV ain't it.




"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor
cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." Of course, that didn't prevent
a backwards state like Florida from executing an obviously deranged
prisoner -John Ferguson- last week.

What is cruel or unusual about executing someone?
Why is him being "deranged" a factor? It sounds like the perfect
candidate.

Whoosh.

Gosh...will shares in prison stock take a nosedive?
 

On 8/12/13 4:33 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:06:42 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



Oh...the United States has about 5% of the world's population and about
25% of the world's incarcerated population. It's good we're still the
leader in something, eh?

We have more crime although I agree the stupid drug laws contribute
to that number in a great way, particularly in the federal system.
You like to talk about various" X/industrial complexes" but the
DEA/industrial complex is one of the worst.
They are fueled with massive budgets plus all the personal property
they can take in forfeitures and seizures.
Most of the privacy concerns we have with NSA are trivial compared to
what the DEA does to "targets", guilty or not.



We have more crimes, and therefore we have more crime, I think, would be
a more apt way of putting it.

Gosh...will shares in prison stock take a nosedive?
 

On 8/12/13 5:29 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:36:57 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/12/13 4:33 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:06:42 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



Oh...the United States has about 5% of the world's population and about
25% of the world's incarcerated population. It's good we're still the
leader in something, eh?

We have more crime although I agree the stupid drug laws contribute
to that number in a great way, particularly in the federal system.
You like to talk about various" X/industrial complexes" but the
DEA/industrial complex is one of the worst.
They are fueled with massive budgets plus all the personal property
they can take in forfeitures and seizures.
Most of the privacy concerns we have with NSA are trivial compared to
what the DEA does to "targets", guilty or not.



We have more crimes, and therefore we have more crime, I think, would be
a more apt way of putting it.

I suppose the question would be, if you let all of the people
convicted of drug crimes out today, how big would the prison
population be?

Which other crimes would you pardon people for?

We can start a list.

There have to be people in prison who we would be better off putting
somewhere else.


It's not just a matter of pardoning people, although sentence reduction
for the non-violent would work, too; it's also a matter of not
continuously adding to the enormous list of crimes in this country, a
far greater list than other countries have, and many of them are pretty
esoteric.

Virtually all the banksters who caused the economic recession of the
Bush Administration were not prosecuted or imprisoned for anything.
When, let's say, 10,000 banksters are tried, convicted, and imprisoned
for ruining this country's economy, we'll have room for them in the
privately owned prison of their choice.

Gosh...will shares in prison stock take a nosedive?
 

On 8/12/13 5:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:26:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/12/13 4:25 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:03:43 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor
cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." Of course, that didn't prevent
a backwards state like Florida from executing an obviously deranged
prisoner -John Ferguson- last week.

What is cruel or unusual about executing someone?
Why is him being "deranged" a factor? It sounds like the perfect
candidate.

Whoosh.


Exactly, flush that scum out of the gene pool.


In civilized countries, capital punishment is a thing of the past. In
the backwards states of the United States, it exists to give
conservatrash a woody.

Gosh...will shares in prison stock take a nosedive?
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


Virtually all the banksters who caused the economic recession of the
Bush Administration were not prosecuted or imprisoned for anything.

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The "banksters" didn't cause the recession. I think it would be
more accurate to call it the "Barney Frank & Co." recession.

Gosh...will shares in prison stock take a nosedive?
 

On 8/12/13 6:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


Virtually all the banksters who caused the economic recession of the
Bush Administration were not prosecuted or imprisoned for anything.

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The "banksters" didn't cause the recession. I think it would be more
accurate to call it the "Barney Frank & Co." recession.



Oh? Was Frank the one knowingly lending hundreds of billions of dollars
against worthless financial instruments, or engaging in predatory
lending? Was Frank responsible for the irresponsible and greedy
banksters putting themselves ahead of their responsibilities to their
shareholders, who, sadly, are too numerous and scattered to exert much
control.

There's no legal sting for the banksters. They'll do what they did
before, finding new loopholes to line their personal pockets.