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On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 14:07:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


In addition to what size boats people should have before venturing
out
into the ocean, W'hine now also wants to dictate how people should
spend
their time.


I imagine Wayne has more blue water time than anyone else here,
including the navy guys.

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I'd agree with that. My nine years in the Navy resulted in actually
being "at sea" for probably a total of about 16-18 months total.

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On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 15:43:21 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 14:07:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


In addition to what size boats people should have before venturing
out
into the ocean, W'hine now also wants to dictate how people should
spend
their time.


I imagine Wayne has more blue water time than anyone else here,
including the navy guys.

-------------------------------

I'd agree with that. My nine years in the Navy resulted in actually
being "at sea" for probably a total of about 16-18 months total.

===

Rough calculations show something like 800 days actually underway
since we bought the trawler 9 years ago. Not all of that was blue
water of course, maybe half. In terms of actual time onboard,
probably about 40 months. I've also done a fair amount of blue water
sailing over the years, enough to have a sailing endorsement on my
USCG ticket.

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On 8/3/13 4:35 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 15:43:21 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 14:07:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


In addition to what size boats people should have before venturing
out
into the ocean, W'hine now also wants to dictate how people should
spend
their time.


I imagine Wayne has more blue water time than anyone else here,
including the navy guys.

-------------------------------

I'd agree with that. My nine years in the Navy resulted in actually
being "at sea" for probably a total of about 16-18 months total.

===

Rough calculations show something like 800 days actually underway
since we bought the trawler 9 years ago. Not all of that was blue
water of course, maybe half. In terms of actual time onboard,
probably about 40 months. I've also done a fair amount of blue water
sailing over the years, enough to have a sailing endorsement on my
USCG ticket.



I spent at least 45 days each summer between the ages of five and
fifteen out on long island sound on various rowboats, runabouts and
sailboats. That's 450 days, and when I was in my mid-20's I took up
boating again, in various places, including the Atlantic and Pacific
Oceans. When I was 12, I frequently transited Long Island Sound from
Milford to Port Jeff on a 13' outboard boat, and the sound can get
pretty choppy.

I wouldn't presume to tell someone, as you did, that his 16' boat had no
business going out on a bay which with he was familiar. You apparently
have no recent experience on small boats, and none at all in the waters
to which Don was referring. I used to take my 18' fishing boat 20 miles
out into the Atlantic when we lived in NE Florida. There were smaller
boats out there, too.

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On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 16:48:36 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/3/13 4:35 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 15:43:21 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 14:07:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


In addition to what size boats people should have before venturing
out
into the ocean, W'hine now also wants to dictate how people should
spend
their time.


I imagine Wayne has more blue water time than anyone else here,
including the navy guys.

-------------------------------

I'd agree with that. My nine years in the Navy resulted in actually
being "at sea" for probably a total of about 16-18 months total.

===

Rough calculations show something like 800 days actually underway
since we bought the trawler 9 years ago. Not all of that was blue
water of course, maybe half. In terms of actual time onboard,
probably about 40 months. I've also done a fair amount of blue water
sailing over the years, enough to have a sailing endorsement on my
USCG ticket.



I spent at least 45 days each summer between the ages of five and
fifteen out on long island sound on various rowboats, runabouts and
sailboats. That's 450 days, and when I was in my mid-20's I took up
boating again, in various places, including the Atlantic and Pacific
Oceans. When I was 12, I frequently transited Long Island Sound from
Milford to Port Jeff on a 13' outboard boat, and the sound can get
pretty choppy.

I wouldn't presume to tell someone, as you did, that his 16' boat had no
business going out on a bay which with he was familiar. You apparently
have no recent experience on small boats, and none at all in the waters
to which Don was referring. I used to take my 18' fishing boat 20 miles
out into the Atlantic when we lived in NE Florida. There were smaller
boats out there, too.


Not even a nuclear submariner on the blue team would say he had more days at sea than you, Harry.
You far surpass everyone at everything - worthwhile or not.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

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On 8/3/2013 4:35 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 15:43:21 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 14:07:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


In addition to what size boats people should have before venturing
out
into the ocean, W'hine now also wants to dictate how people should
spend
their time.


I imagine Wayne has more blue water time than anyone else here,
including the navy guys.

-------------------------------

I'd agree with that. My nine years in the Navy resulted in actually
being "at sea" for probably a total of about 16-18 months total.

===

Rough calculations show something like 800 days actually underway
since we bought the trawler 9 years ago. Not all of that was blue
water of course, maybe half. In terms of actual time onboard,
probably about 40 months. I've also done a fair amount of blue water
sailing over the years, enough to have a sailing endorsement on my
USCG ticket.

Over 2 years underway. I doubt if anyone hear could come close unless
they counted military at sea time.

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On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 16:48:36 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I wouldn't presume to tell someone, as you did, that his 16' boat had no
business going out on a bay which with he was familiar.

Please show me where I said that. It didn't happen.

You apparently
have no recent experience on small boats

Only about 2 or 300 miles or so over the last 6 months in a 12 ft
inflatable dinghy, a few times in 6 to 8 ft seas.


and none at all in the waters
to which Don was referring.

I've done a lot of boating in Maine, very similar.


I used to take my 18' fishing boat 20 miles
out into the Atlantic when we lived in NE Florida. There were smaller
boats out there, too.

And there's another one born every minute.

Some of those boats don't come back, happens every month or so this
time of year.

PS, last time I looked Don was a big boy who can speak for himself.

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On 8/3/2013 4:48 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/3/13 4:35 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 15:43:21 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 14:07:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


In addition to what size boats people should have before venturing
out
into the ocean, W'hine now also wants to dictate how people should
spend
their time.


I imagine Wayne has more blue water time than anyone else here,
including the navy guys.

-------------------------------

I'd agree with that. My nine years in the Navy resulted in actually
being "at sea" for probably a total of about 16-18 months total.

===

Rough calculations show something like 800 days actually underway
since we bought the trawler 9 years ago. Not all of that was blue
water of course, maybe half. In terms of actual time onboard,
probably about 40 months. I've also done a fair amount of blue water
sailing over the years, enough to have a sailing endorsement on my
USCG ticket.



I spent at least 45 days each summer between the ages of five and
fifteen out on long island sound on various rowboats, runabouts and
sailboats. That's 450 days, and when I was in my mid-20's I took up
boating again, in various places, including the Atlantic and Pacific
Oceans. When I was 12, I frequently transited Long Island Sound from
Milford to Port Jeff on a 13' outboard boat, and the sound can get
pretty choppy.

I wouldn't presume to tell someone, as you did, that his 16' boat had no
business going out on a bay which with he was familiar. You apparently
have no recent experience on small boats, and none at all in the waters
to which Don was referring. *I used to take my 18' fishing boat 20 miles
out into the Atlantic when we lived in NE Florida*. There were smaller
boats out there, too.


Weren't you the fool.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 15:43:21 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 14:07:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:


In addition to what size boats people should have before venturing
out
into the ocean, W'hine now also wants to dictate how people should
spend
their time.


I imagine Wayne has more blue water time than anyone else here,
including the navy guys.

-------------------------------

I'd agree with that. My nine years in the Navy resulted in actually
being "at sea" for probably a total of about 16-18 months total.

===

Rough calculations show something like 800 days actually underway
since we bought the trawler 9 years ago. Not all of that was blue
water of course, maybe half. In terms of actual time onboard,
probably about 40 months. I've also done a fair amount of blue water
sailing over the years, enough to have a sailing endorsement on my
USCG ticket.

------------------------------

If I count time either aboard or underway in about 14 years of
recreational boating (not Navy time), I'd estimate about the same,
somewhere between 35 and 40 months. I used to spend weeks at a time
basically living on the boat, even in the middle of winter up here in
MA. If I count the months spent aboard a Navy ship while in port,
it would be an additional 8-9 months or so in addition to the 16-18
months at sea. We spent far more time underway in the Navy than in
port, ranging from 2-3 week training cruises to long term deployments.
The longest period I spent at sea without standing on Terra Firma was
54 days.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...

I used to take my 18' fishing boat 20 miles
out into the Atlantic when we lived in NE Florida. There were smaller
boats out there, too.

-------------------------

Really depends on the region and time of year. I think you would
agree that 20 miles out off the coast of Florida in a small boat
during the winter months is foolhardy.

A popular afternoon cruise from Scituate, MA across Cape Cod Bay to
Provincetown (tip of the cape) is about 22 miles, but a round trip
could be taking chances in a small boat. Afternoon thunderstorms can
whip the Bay up very quickly. I decided to make the trip one bright
sunny day with calm seas in my 16' Boston Whaler. I got about 3/4 of
the way there when the thunderstorm cells started rolling in and the
waves starting building fast.
Turned around and booked it back to Scituate.

I've mentioned this other experience before, I think, but it was an
eye opener:

I took a bunch of guys out cod fishing on the Egg Harbor one nice,
warm, humid summer morning. My secret "spot" was 32 miles out of
Scituate, very near the main shipping lane going into Boston. We
left at dawn and the skies became cloudless blue with clear visibility
to the horizon. We got to the "spot" and while the guys got their
gear ready to fish, I focused on adjusting the depth/fish finder to
zoom in on the bottom, 260 feet below us. I had just finished after
seeing the red blobs representing cod, looked up and I could no longer
see the bow of the boat. A front had come in, lowering the
barometric pressure enough to create extremely dense fog. This all
happened in a matter of minutes.

It was a slow, careful ride back to Scituate with my brother sitting
beside me helping as a lookout and radar screen watcher. The rest of
the guys thought it was a hoot. I was very happy to see the Scituate
harbor channel markers show up on the radar, because I still couldn't
see more than 20 or 30 feet beyond the bow.

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On 8/3/13 6:00 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...

I used to take my 18' fishing boat 20 miles
out into the Atlantic when we lived in NE Florida. There were smaller
boats out there, too.

-------------------------

Really depends on the region and time of year. I think you would agree
that 20 miles out off the coast of Florida in a small boat during the
winter months is foolhardy.

Sure, and so would Don in taking out a small boat in his part of the
world in winter. But Donny wasn't doing that...he was boating during the
summer in a bay on a 16' boat when the bay was choppy. That may be
uncomfortable but it isn't necessarily hazardous, and didn't call for
the W'hine of Oz to make the snotty comment he did.