On 7/22/13 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 06:28:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/22/13 1:12 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 13:40:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Although I agree with those who say we don't need "Stand Your Ground"
statutes outside of your home, I don't understand the media attention
and activist groups (led by people like Al Sharpton) who are using
the Zimmerman trial to promote the elimination of SYG.

Zimmerman's defense was *not* based on SYG grounds. It was based on
self-defense. This was a purposeful and strategic decision by his
defense attorneys.

The reason he was acquitted by the jury was due to the stupidity of
the state's prosecution team of attorneys. *They* are the ones that
put into evidence all of Zimmerman's accounts of the events, thereby
allowing de facto testimony by Zimmerman without the ability to cross
examine him. The defense attorneys made good use of this blunder by
calling other witnesses to testify that gave credence to Zimmerman's
account of the events, raising sufficient reasonable doubt to generate
a "not guilty" verdict.

Typical of any unpopular decision or circumstance (to them) , the
liberal media and activist groups are totally misinforming the public
on the facts.

The strange thing is black defendants have availed themselves of SYG
defenses at a higher rate than white people.

Holder, Sharpton and the rest seem to be ignorant of or simply ignore
that fact.



My guess is that "Holder, Sharpton and the rest" believe the Stand Your
Ground laws suck, no matter who is availing themselves of them. They
seem to be little more than laws that allow you to settle disputes on
the street with a gun.

"He slapped me, I was scared, so I shot him."

The SYG laws encourage bad behavior on the part of gunslingers.

How many times would your head have to be pounded into the concrete
before you thought you were in fear of your life?
You armed yourself and were prepared to shoot someone over an
ambiguous internet post.



I'm in my late 60's. I've been in some really ****ty places, here and
abroad, and sometimes among people that would make most posters here
crap in their pants. What I don't do is follow people around, force
confrontations with them, and then shoot them if they smack me. So, I've
managed to avoid fistfights since I was about 14 years old.

I'm not scared when I walk down the streets in, say, Anacostia, and
see black teen-agers coming my way. I say "hello," they say "hello."
I got lost in DC a few months ago at night and pulled into a convenience
store parking lot to ask for directions. There was a really tough crowd
in the parking lot, and most of the guys were drinking. Inside the
store, the clerks were ensconced behind thick plexiglass. I asked for
directions and got help from one of the clerks and one of the customers.
We smiled at each other and went on our merry way. I didn't behave like
George Zimmerman and I didn't get into a fight.

I've been shot at three times, twice while in the United States, and
once while in El Salvador, but it was never personal. Two of the guys
I was working with in El Salvador were shot and killed.

I am certainly prepared to shoot and kill a home invader down here. I
don't walk the streets of my little neighborhood armed and looking for a
fight.

On 7/22/2013 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 06:28:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/22/13 1:12 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 13:40:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Although I agree with those who say we don't need "Stand Your Ground"
statutes outside of your home, I don't understand the media attention
and activist groups (led by people like Al Sharpton) who are using
the Zimmerman trial to promote the elimination of SYG.

Zimmerman's defense was *not* based on SYG grounds. It was based on
self-defense. This was a purposeful and strategic decision by his
defense attorneys.

The reason he was acquitted by the jury was due to the stupidity of
the state's prosecution team of attorneys. *They* are the ones that
put into evidence all of Zimmerman's accounts of the events, thereby
allowing de facto testimony by Zimmerman without the ability to cross
examine him. The defense attorneys made good use of this blunder by
calling other witnesses to testify that gave credence to Zimmerman's
account of the events, raising sufficient reasonable doubt to generate
a "not guilty" verdict.

Typical of any unpopular decision or circumstance (to them) , the
liberal media and activist groups are totally misinforming the public
on the facts.

The strange thing is black defendants have availed themselves of SYG
defenses at a higher rate than white people.

Holder, Sharpton and the rest seem to be ignorant of or simply ignore
that fact.



My guess is that "Holder, Sharpton and the rest" believe the Stand Your
Ground laws suck, no matter who is availing themselves of them. They
seem to be little more than laws that allow you to settle disputes on
the street with a gun.

"He slapped me, I was scared, so I shot him."

The SYG laws encourage bad behavior on the part of gunslingers.

How many times would your head have to be pounded into the concrete
before you thought you were in fear of your life?
You armed yourself and were prepared to shoot someone over an
ambiguous internet post.


If that is harry you are talking about, he has insinuated dozens of
times here that he would be more than willing to find a reason to shoot
several posters here over the years...

On 7/22/13 11:18 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/22/2013 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 06:28:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/22/13 1:12 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 13:40:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Although I agree with those who say we don't need "Stand Your Ground"
statutes outside of your home, I don't understand the media attention
and activist groups (led by people like Al Sharpton) who are using
the Zimmerman trial to promote the elimination of SYG.

Zimmerman's defense was *not* based on SYG grounds. It was based on
self-defense. This was a purposeful and strategic decision by his
defense attorneys.

The reason he was acquitted by the jury was due to the stupidity of
the state's prosecution team of attorneys. *They* are the ones that
put into evidence all of Zimmerman's accounts of the events, thereby
allowing de facto testimony by Zimmerman without the ability to cross
examine him. The defense attorneys made good use of this blunder by
calling other witnesses to testify that gave credence to Zimmerman's
account of the events, raising sufficient reasonable doubt to generate
a "not guilty" verdict.

Typical of any unpopular decision or circumstance (to them) , the
liberal media and activist groups are totally misinforming the public
on the facts.

The strange thing is black defendants have availed themselves of SYG
defenses at a higher rate than white people.

Holder, Sharpton and the rest seem to be ignorant of or simply ignore
that fact.



My guess is that "Holder, Sharpton and the rest" believe the Stand Your
Ground laws suck, no matter who is availing themselves of them. They
seem to be little more than laws that allow you to settle disputes on
the street with a gun.

"He slapped me, I was scared, so I shot him."

The SYG laws encourage bad behavior on the part of gunslingers.

How many times would your head have to be pounded into the concrete
before you thought you were in fear of your life?
You armed yourself and were prepared to shoot someone over an
ambiguous internet post.


If that is harry you are talking about, he has insinuated dozens of
times here that he would be more than willing to find a reason to shoot
several posters here over the years...

I would not hesitate to shoot a home invader, especially at night where
there is nowhere to run to on the top floor of a three story house. You
threatened to commit the crime of home invasion, and you also intimated
you would send one of your hoodlum motorcycle gang buddies down here to
do the job for you. That particular threat resulted in the police
visiting you at your house.

A home invasion is, indeed, a reason to shoot someone. Keep that in mind
in case your paranoia gives you the false courage to make a road trip in
order to create mayhem and commit a violent felony.

You're a sick little ****head, psychotic or bordering on it, and you'll
never get help until it is too late for you or your victim or both of you.

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:16:17 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

The strange thing is black defendants have availed themselves of SYG
defenses at a higher rate than white people.

Wow, you are using FOX's tactics to a tee!!! You make it sound like that
is the case everywhere, and it's only in Florida.

Cite that.

http://bit.ly/15btiOy


Holder, Sharpton and the rest seem to be ignorant of or simply ignore
that fact.

See above regarding ignorance.

They act like Florida is the only state with SYG.

Please cite which states have SYG laws that disproportionatly benefit
blacks.

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 06:28:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/22/13 1:12 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 13:40:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Although I agree with those who say we don't need "Stand Your Ground"
statutes outside of your home, I don't understand the media attention
and activist groups (led by people like Al Sharpton) who are using
the Zimmerman trial to promote the elimination of SYG.

Zimmerman's defense was *not* based on SYG grounds. It was based on
self-defense. This was a purposeful and strategic decision by his
defense attorneys.

The reason he was acquitted by the jury was due to the stupidity of
the state's prosecution team of attorneys. *They* are the ones that
put into evidence all of Zimmerman's accounts of the events, thereby
allowing de facto testimony by Zimmerman without the ability to cross
examine him. The defense attorneys made good use of this blunder by
calling other witnesses to testify that gave credence to Zimmerman's
account of the events, raising sufficient reasonable doubt to generate
a "not guilty" verdict.

Typical of any unpopular decision or circumstance (to them) , the
liberal media and activist groups are totally misinforming the public
on the facts.

The strange thing is black defendants have availed themselves of SYG
defenses at a higher rate than white people.

Holder, Sharpton and the rest seem to be ignorant of or simply ignore
that fact.



My guess is that "Holder, Sharpton and the rest" believe the Stand Your
Ground laws suck, no matter who is availing themselves of them. They
seem to be little more than laws that allow you to settle disputes on
the street with a gun.

"He slapped me, I was scared, so I shot him."

The SYG laws encourage bad behavior on the part of gunslingers.

How many times would your head have to be pounded into the concrete
before you thought you were in fear of your life?

More FOXite rhetoric!!! It's been shown in court that Zimmerman's head
wasn't "pounded into the concrete".

On 7/22/2013 11:12 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:


I've been shot at three times, twice while in the United States, and
once while in El Salvador, but it was never personal. Two of the guys
I was working with in El Salvador were shot and killed.

I am certainly prepared to shoot and kill a home invader down here. I
don't walk the streets of my little neighborhood armed and looking for a
fight.





I believe every word of this. Doesn't surprise me a bit. Too bad you
were dealing with amateurs.

On 7/22/2013 11:29 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/22/13 11:18 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

If that is harry you are talking about, he has insinuated dozens of
times here that he would be more than willing to find a reason to shoot
several posters here over the years...

I would not hesitate to shoot a home invader, especially at night where
there is nowhere to run to on the top floor of a three story house. You
threatened to commit the crime of home invasion, and you also intimated
you would send one of your hoodlum motorcycle gang buddies down here to
do the job for you. That particular threat resulted in the police
visiting you at your house.

A home invasion is, indeed, a reason to shoot someone. Keep that in mind
in case your paranoia gives you the false courage to make a road trip in
order to create mayhem and commit a violent felony.

You're a sick little ****head, psychotic or bordering on it, and you'll
never get help until it is too late for you or your victim or both of you.


Your imagination is playing tricks on you. One day it's going to get you
in REAL trouble.

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:49:31 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:16:17 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

The strange thing is black defendants have availed themselves of SYG
defenses at a higher rate than white people.

Wow, you are using FOX's tactics to a tee!!! You make it sound like that
is the case everywhere, and it's only in Florida.

Cite that.

http://bit.ly/15btiOy


Holder, Sharpton and the rest seem to be ignorant of or simply ignore
that fact.

See above regarding ignorance.

They act like Florida is the only state with SYG.

Please cite which states have SYG laws that disproportionatly benefit
blacks.


Do your own research, prove it is not true

Yeah, as suspected....

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:51:08 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 06:28:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/22/13 1:12 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 13:40:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Although I agree with those who say we don't need "Stand Your Ground"
statutes outside of your home, I don't understand the media attention
and activist groups (led by people like Al Sharpton) who are using
the Zimmerman trial to promote the elimination of SYG.

Zimmerman's defense was *not* based on SYG grounds. It was based on
self-defense. This was a purposeful and strategic decision by his
defense attorneys.

The reason he was acquitted by the jury was due to the stupidity of
the state's prosecution team of attorneys. *They* are the ones that
put into evidence all of Zimmerman's accounts of the events, thereby
allowing de facto testimony by Zimmerman without the ability to cross
examine him. The defense attorneys made good use of this blunder by
calling other witnesses to testify that gave credence to Zimmerman's
account of the events, raising sufficient reasonable doubt to generate
a "not guilty" verdict.

Typical of any unpopular decision or circumstance (to them) , the
liberal media and activist groups are totally misinforming the public
on the facts.

The strange thing is black defendants have availed themselves of SYG
defenses at a higher rate than white people.

Holder, Sharpton and the rest seem to be ignorant of or simply ignore
that fact.



My guess is that "Holder, Sharpton and the rest" believe the Stand Your
Ground laws suck, no matter who is availing themselves of them. They
seem to be little more than laws that allow you to settle disputes on
the street with a gun.

"He slapped me, I was scared, so I shot him."

The SYG laws encourage bad behavior on the part of gunslingers.

How many times would your head have to be pounded into the concrete
before you thought you were in fear of your life?

More FOXite rhetoric!!! It's been shown in court that Zimmerman's head
wasn't "pounded into the concrete".


Cite?

"Di Maio testified that he did not take into account several witnesses
who said Zimmerman was the aggressor in the struggle. He also said, when
pressed, that Zimmerman's injuries could have been caused by rolling
around on concrete with Trayvon"

In short, if you think that the scratches on Zimmerman are the result of
having his head "pounded into the concrete", you've never been witness
to a real fight, or a real situation like that.

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...


"Di Maio testified that he did not take into account several witnesses
who said Zimmerman was the aggressor in the struggle. He also said,
when
pressed, that Zimmerman's injuries could have been caused by rolling
around on concrete with Trayvon"

-----------------------------------------

That is a total misrepresentation of Di Maio's testimony. I watched
and listened to every word of it.

First of all, there is no evidence or testimony that supports your
statement, "several witnesses who said Zimmerman was the aggressor".
The only thing the prosecution could get from Di Maio was an
acknowledgement that his testimony was focused on the moments before
and including the shooting, not what led up to it.

The claims that Zimmerman was the "aggressor" is pure speculation.
By "aggressor", I mean pushing, shoving or throwing a punch and not
simply asking "What are you doing here?" There's nothing illegal or
aggressive about that.