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On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank©
wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. |
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On 7/1/13 6:05 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial... Wayne channels Chip Diller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. ------------------------------------------ The lead investigator recommended a charge of manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder. Technically the jury is not supposed to know that and it can't be allowed as evidence in the trial. Flipped MSNBC on briefly just as the Rev. Al's show was coming on. "Breaking News" on his show's banner. What was the "breaking news"? Zimmerman used the term "those guys" on more that one occasion during the series of police interviews. As usual, the Rev. automatically jumps to the race angle. Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. |
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On 7/1/13 7:14 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. ------------------------------------------ The lead investigator recommended a charge of manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder. Technically the jury is not supposed to know that and it can't be allowed as evidence in the trial. Flipped MSNBC on briefly just as the Rev. Al's show was coming on. "Breaking News" on his show's banner. What was the "breaking news"? Zimmerman used the term "those guys" on more that one occasion during the series of police interviews. As usual, the Rev. automatically jumps to the race angle. Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. I heard that, too, and I assumed Zimmerman meant blacks by his "those guys" comment. I still have not heard evidence as to why Zimmerman was chasing down Martin. If Martin actually punched Zimmerman, perhaps Martin was simply standing his ground after being stalked by a white guy brandishing a firearm, and Zimmerman said to himself, "Screw this," and shot the kid. |
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On 7/1/2013 7:22 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. I was talking with my daughtes, at dinner this evening, about the Martin/Zimmerman trail and one of my daughters said that they were both going under self defense. I responded that if that is your position then no charges should have been filed. And that's the way it would have been if the racist in Washington didn't stick their noses in looking for crumbs... |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/1/13 7:14 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. ------------------------------------------ The lead investigator recommended a charge of manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder. Technically the jury is not supposed to know that and it can't be allowed as evidence in the trial. Flipped MSNBC on briefly just as the Rev. Al's show was coming on. "Breaking News" on his show's banner. What was the "breaking news"? Zimmerman used the term "those guys" on more that one occasion during the series of police interviews. As usual, the Rev. automatically jumps to the race angle. Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. I heard that, too, and I assumed Zimmerman meant blacks by his "those guys" comment. I still have not heard evidence as to why Zimmerman was chasing down Martin. If Martin actually punched Zimmerman, perhaps Martin was simply standing his ground after being stalked by a white guy brandishing a firearm, and Zimmerman said to himself, "Screw this," and shot the kid. --------------------------------------- Who knows? I am not taking sides and don't have a clue if he's telling the truth. I find the trial fascinating though. But I find it interesting that you also automatically assume Zimmerman was referring to blacks with his "those guys" comment. Why? In all the interviews and written statements, he talks about break ins/home invasions and never (to my knowledge) refers to blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians or any specific race as being responsible. He refers to them as "burglars". So, when he says "those guys", I take it as being "those guys" that are committing the burglaries. Funny how stereotypes are automatically assigned. And sorry, but I don't think "Rev." Albert contributes anything to social harmony or stability. To the contrary, he fuels hate and distrust. It's what he does for a living. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/1/13 7:14 PM, Eisboch wrote: Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. I heard that, too, and I assumed Zimmerman meant blacks by his "those guys" comment. I still have not heard evidence as to why Zimmerman was chasing down Martin. If Martin actually punched Zimmerman, perhaps Martin was simply standing his ground after being stalked by a white guy brandishing a firearm, and Zimmerman said to himself, "Screw this," and shot the kid. ------------------------------------------ One thing that came out today in the recorded police interviews is that Zimmerman has a desire to be a cop. He claims to have an Associate's in Criminal Justice and is pursuing a Bachelor's degree in same. I had a hunch that this is what contributed to his creation of the "Crime Watch" thing. It may also point to an underlying desire to involve himself in events or possibly *imagine* events to be more than what they are. I am not sure it's a racial thing. If he has a vigilante mentality, it would likely apply to everyone he suspects as being a "bad guy". With that in mind, I am not so sure the jury will acquit. Tough call. |
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On 7/1/13 9:33 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/1/13 7:14 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. ------------------------------------------ The lead investigator recommended a charge of manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder. Technically the jury is not supposed to know that and it can't be allowed as evidence in the trial. Flipped MSNBC on briefly just as the Rev. Al's show was coming on. "Breaking News" on his show's banner. What was the "breaking news"? Zimmerman used the term "those guys" on more that one occasion during the series of police interviews. As usual, the Rev. automatically jumps to the race angle. Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. I heard that, too, and I assumed Zimmerman meant blacks by his "those guys" comment. I still have not heard evidence as to why Zimmerman was chasing down Martin. If Martin actually punched Zimmerman, perhaps Martin was simply standing his ground after being stalked by a white guy brandishing a firearm, and Zimmerman said to himself, "Screw this," and shot the kid. --------------------------------------- Who knows? I am not taking sides and don't have a clue if he's telling the truth. I find the trial fascinating though. But I find it interesting that you also automatically assume Zimmerman was referring to blacks with his "those guys" comment. Why? In all the interviews and written statements, he talks about break ins/home invasions and never (to my knowledge) refers to blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians or any specific race as being responsible. He refers to them as "burglars". So, when he says "those guys", I take it as being "those guys" that are committing the burglaries. Funny how stereotypes are automatically assigned. And sorry, but I don't think "Rev." Albert contributes anything to social harmony or stability. To the contrary, he fuels hate and distrust. It's what he does for a living. Al is pretty mild compared to any number of Republicans who hold national political office. You know, Cruz, Gomert, and about half the GOP members of the US House and US Senate. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... Al is pretty mild compared to any number of Republicans who hold national political office. You know, Cruz, Gomert, and about half the GOP members of the US House and US Senate. ------------------------------------------ I think he has toned down his rhetoric a little bit on his "Politics Nation" show, probably to ensure he keeps the gig. Even MSNBC with their very progressive slant can only tolerate so much. But why he looks to put a "racism" tint on just about every controversial subject or news story is beyond me. If it truly is a story pertaining to racism, fine. But he applies it to anything he doesn't like and he's come close to totally losing it a few times. MSNBC dumped Imus quickly when he made inappropriate comments of a racial nature. I wonder how far they will let "Rev" Al go the other way before reigning him in or showing him the door. |
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On Monday, July 1, 2013 8:48:00 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/1/13 9:33 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/1/13 7:14 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank� wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. ------------------------------------------ The lead investigator recommended a charge of manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder. Technically the jury is not supposed to know that and it can't be allowed as evidence in the trial. Flipped MSNBC on briefly just as the Rev. Al's show was coming on. "Breaking News" on his show's banner. What was the "breaking news"? Zimmerman used the term "those guys" on more that one occasion during the series of police interviews. As usual, the Rev. automatically jumps to the race angle. Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. I heard that, too, and I assumed Zimmerman meant blacks by his "those guys" comment. I still have not heard evidence as to why Zimmerman was chasing down Martin. If Martin actually punched Zimmerman, perhaps Martin was simply standing his ground after being stalked by a white guy brandishing a firearm, and Zimmerman said to himself, "Screw this," and shot the kid. --------------------------------------- Who knows? I am not taking sides and don't have a clue if he's telling the truth. I find the trial fascinating though. But I find it interesting that you also automatically assume Zimmerman was referring to blacks with his "those guys" comment. Why? In all the interviews and written statements, he talks about break ins/home invasions and never (to my knowledge) refers to blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians or any specific race as being responsible. He refers to them as "burglars". So, when he says "those guys", I take it as being "those guys" that are committing the burglaries. Funny how stereotypes are automatically assigned. And sorry, but I don't think "Rev." Albert contributes anything to social harmony or stability. To the contrary, he fuels hate and distrust. It's what he does for a living. Al is pretty mild compared to any number of Republicans who hold national political office. You know, Cruz, Gomert, and about half the GOP members of the US House and US Senate. Yessir Krausie. Absolutely. No doubt, Harry Krause! By the way, have you made any headway in paying down your tax liens. Your two bankruptcies did not discharge your tax debts, eh? |
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On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 20:22:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 7/1/13 8:19 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 7/1/2013 7:22 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. I was talking with my daughtes, at dinner this evening, about the Martin/Zimmerman trail and one of my daughters said that they were both going under self defense. I responded that if that is your position then no charges should have been filed. And that's the way it would have been if the racist in Washington didn't stick their noses in looking for crumbs... Isn't it wonderful that we have such knowledgeable fellows in rec.boats who went to law school, passed the bar exam, and have practiced criminal law for so long, they can interpret the laws and we can feel assured they know whereof they speak. :) OMG, a couple of numbnuts painting the world the way they see it. There'd be no trial if that idiot left well enough alone, as the dispaatcher told him to. Nope, kid's dead as a result. Vigilante, cop wanna-be. He deserves to be in jail for his stupidty, like a lot of other people who did stupid things that didn't come close to losing anyone else their life. |
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On 7/1/2013 11:08 PM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 20:22:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/1/13 8:19 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 7/1/2013 7:22 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. I was talking with my daughtes, at dinner this evening, about the Martin/Zimmerman trail and one of my daughters said that they were both going under self defense. I responded that if that is your position then no charges should have been filed. And that's the way it would have been if the racist in Washington didn't stick their noses in looking for crumbs... Isn't it wonderful that we have such knowledgeable fellows in rec.boats who went to law school, passed the bar exam, and have practiced criminal law for so long, they can interpret the laws and we can feel assured they know whereof they speak. :) OMG, a couple of numbnuts painting the world the way they see it. There'd be no trial if that idiot left well enough alone, as the dispaatcher told him to. Nope, kid's dead as a result. Vigilante, cop wanna-be. He deserves to be in jail for his stupidty, like a lot of other people who did stupid things that didn't come close to losing anyone else their life. Would have been no trial if Obummer wasn't up for reelection... |
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On 7/2/2013 7:58 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/1/2013 11:08 PM, jps wrote: On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 20:22:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/1/13 8:19 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 7/1/2013 7:22 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. I was talking with my daughtes, at dinner this evening, about the Martin/Zimmerman trail and one of my daughters said that they were both going under self defense. I responded that if that is your position then no charges should have been filed. And that's the way it would have been if the racist in Washington didn't stick their noses in looking for crumbs... Isn't it wonderful that we have such knowledgeable fellows in rec.boats who went to law school, passed the bar exam, and have practiced criminal law for so long, they can interpret the laws and we can feel assured they know whereof they speak. :) OMG, a couple of numbnuts painting the world the way they see it. There'd be no trial if that idiot left well enough alone, as the dispaatcher told him to. Nope, kid's dead as a result. Vigilante, cop wanna-be. He deserves to be in jail for his stupidty, like a lot of other people who did stupid things that didn't come close to losing anyone else their life. Would have been no trial if Obummer wasn't up for reelection... Nah! Sharpton would have seen to it that there would be a trial or a riot. And he can make it happen. My worry is that he'll still cause a riot. The state is helping Zimm make his case. |
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says... On 7/1/2013 7:22 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. I was talking with my daughtes, at dinner this evening, about the Martin/Zimmerman trail and one of my daughters said that they were both going under self defense. I responded that if that is your position then no charges should have been filed. And that's the way it would have been if the racist in Washington didn't stick their noses in looking for crumbs... Cite? |
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In article ,
says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. Do you really believe that he was talking about burglers? ---------------------------------------- It doesn't matter what I think. The fact is that there is no evidence he has specifically identified blacks as being the "burglars". To assume otherwise, regardless of how strongly you feel is racist in it's own right. Everybody has an opinion on this. In fact, in testimony today the prosecution was trying to paint Zimmerman as having a "thing" for blacks. But nowhere in any of his statements to police has he indicated that, a point that the defense lawyers pointed out. Of course, they are lawyers! |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. Do you really believe that he was talking about burglers? ---------------------------------------- It doesn't matter what I think. The fact is that there is no evidence he has specifically identified blacks as being the "burglars". To assume otherwise, regardless of how strongly you feel is racist in it's own right. Everybody has an opinion on this. In fact, in testimony today the prosecution was trying to paint Zimmerman as having a "thing" for blacks. But nowhere in any of his statements to police has he indicated that, a point that the defense lawyers pointed out. Of course, they are lawyers! ------------------------------------------ The whole point of the court process is to separate truth from fiction and produce justice. To that end, even the prosecution's primary responsibility is to expose the truth, even if it doesn't help their case. My lawyer friend (who was originally licensed and remains so in Florida) has been lecturing me a bit on this trial and the objectives of both the prosecution and defense. I would never have made a good lawyer. I didn't do well in Business Law 101. As an engineer, I am often too logical in my thought process to understand some of the court system nuances. |
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In article ,
says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. Do you really believe that he was talking about burglers? ---------------------------------------- It doesn't matter what I think. The fact is that there is no evidence he has specifically identified blacks as being the "burglars". To assume otherwise, regardless of how strongly you feel is racist in it's own right. Everybody has an opinion on this. In fact, in testimony today the prosecution was trying to paint Zimmerman as having a "thing" for blacks. But nowhere in any of his statements to police has he indicated that, a point that the defense lawyers pointed out. Of course, they are lawyers! ------------------------------------------ The whole point of the court process is to separate truth from fiction and produce justice. To that end, even the prosecution's primary responsibility is to expose the truth, even if it doesn't help their case. My lawyer friend (who was originally licensed and remains so in Florida) has been lecturing me a bit on this trial and the objectives of both the prosecution and defense. I would never have made a good lawyer. I didn't do well in Business Law 101. As an engineer, I am often too logical in my thought process to understand some of the court system nuances. Actually the whole point is to ATTEMPT to separate truth from fiction. In actuality, it only matters what the jury perceives to be the truth. |
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On 7/2/2013 12:05 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... Everybody has an opinion on this. In fact, in testimony today the prosecution was trying to paint Zimmerman as having a "thing" for blacks. But nowhere in any of his statements to police has he indicated that, a point that the defense lawyers pointed out. Of course, they are lawyers! ------------------------------------------ The whole point of the court process is to separate truth from fiction and produce justice. To that end, even the prosecution's primary responsibility is to expose the truth, even if it doesn't help their case. My lawyer friend (who was originally licensed and remains so in Florida) has been lecturing me a bit on this trial and the objectives of both the prosecution and defense. I would never have made a good lawyer. I didn't do well in Business Law 101. As an engineer, I am often too logical in my thought process to understand some of the court system nuances. Actually the whole point is to ATTEMPT to separate truth from fiction. In actuality, it only matters what the jury perceives to be the truth. -------------------------------- Of course. But an attempt to instill an image in the jurys' minds (such as having a "thing" for blacks ) when there is no evidence presented so far to support that contention is wrong. People do it all the time in their lives however. It's called prejudice and it flows both ways. I'm surprised the prosecutor hasn't called their star witness, Harry Krause. He has a unique talent for projecting "*things*"., ;-) |
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In article ,
says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... Everybody has an opinion on this. In fact, in testimony today the prosecution was trying to paint Zimmerman as having a "thing" for blacks. But nowhere in any of his statements to police has he indicated that, a point that the defense lawyers pointed out. Of course, they are lawyers! ------------------------------------------ The whole point of the court process is to separate truth from fiction and produce justice. To that end, even the prosecution's primary responsibility is to expose the truth, even if it doesn't help their case. My lawyer friend (who was originally licensed and remains so in Florida) has been lecturing me a bit on this trial and the objectives of both the prosecution and defense. I would never have made a good lawyer. I didn't do well in Business Law 101. As an engineer, I am often too logical in my thought process to understand some of the court system nuances. Actually the whole point is to ATTEMPT to separate truth from fiction. In actuality, it only matters what the jury perceives to be the truth. -------------------------------- Of course. But an attempt to instill an image in the jurys' minds (such as having a "thing" for blacks ) when there is no evidence presented so far to support that contention is wrong. People do it all the time in their lives however. It's called prejudice and it flows both ways. It's no more wrong to try to persuade the jury of that with no evidence than it is to try to persuade the jury that Zimmerman is a great humanitarian that was just trying to help better his neighborhood. |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... Everybody has an opinion on this. In fact, in testimony today the prosecution was trying to paint Zimmerman as having a "thing" for blacks. But nowhere in any of his statements to police has he indicated that, a point that the defense lawyers pointed out. Of course, they are lawyers! ------------------------------------------ The whole point of the court process is to separate truth from fiction and produce justice. To that end, even the prosecution's primary responsibility is to expose the truth, even if it doesn't help their case. My lawyer friend (who was originally licensed and remains so in Florida) has been lecturing me a bit on this trial and the objectives of both the prosecution and defense. I would never have made a good lawyer. I didn't do well in Business Law 101. As an engineer, I am often too logical in my thought process to understand some of the court system nuances. Actually the whole point is to ATTEMPT to separate truth from fiction. In actuality, it only matters what the jury perceives to be the truth. -------------------------------- Of course. But an attempt to instill an image in the jurys' minds (such as having a "thing" for blacks ) when there is no evidence presented so far to support that contention is wrong. People do it all the time in their lives however. It's called prejudice and it flows both ways. It's no more wrong to try to persuade the jury of that with no evidence than it is to try to persuade the jury that Zimmerman is a great humanitarian that was just trying to help better his neighborhood. ------------------------------------------ Sorry to say, but you have a very prejudiced interpretation of the actual testimony and evidence to date. Any implied "evidence" by either side that doesn't exist would immediately prompt an objection from the other side and would be tossed by the judge. Are you actually *watching* the trial or are you just getting opinions from the media? |
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... Everybody has an opinion on this. In fact, in testimony today the prosecution was trying to paint Zimmerman as having a "thing" for blacks. But nowhere in any of his statements to police has he indicated that, a point that the defense lawyers pointed out. Of course, they are lawyers! ------------------------------------------ The whole point of the court process is to separate truth from fiction and produce justice. To that end, even the prosecution's primary responsibility is to expose the truth, even if it doesn't help their case. My lawyer friend (who was originally licensed and remains so in Florida) has been lecturing me a bit on this trial and the objectives of both the prosecution and defense. I would never have made a good lawyer. I didn't do well in Business Law 101. As an engineer, I am often too logical in my thought process to understand some of the court system nuances. Actually the whole point is to ATTEMPT to separate truth from fiction. In actuality, it only matters what the jury perceives to be the truth. -------------------------------- Of course. But an attempt to instill an image in the jurys' minds (such as having a "thing" for blacks ) when there is no evidence presented so far to support that contention is wrong. People do it all the time in their lives however. It's called prejudice and it flows both ways. It's no more wrong to try to persuade the jury of that with no evidence than it is to try to persuade the jury that Zimmerman is a great humanitarian that was just trying to help better his neighborhood. ------------------------------------------ Sorry to say, but you have a very prejudiced interpretation of the actual testimony and evidence to date. How so, I've not ever said he was guilty or not guilty. Any implied "evidence" by either side that doesn't exist would immediately prompt an objection from the other side and would be tossed by the judge. Are you actually *watching* the trial or are you just getting opinions from the media? Doesn't matter, whether or not there is an objection, the seed is planted many times. And yes, I'm watching it, delayed every evening. I'm surely not letting it control my day. |
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On 7/2/2013 8:50 AM, Eisboch wrote:
The whole point of the court process is to separate truth from fiction and produce justice. To that end, even the prosecution's primary responsibility is to expose the truth, even if it doesn't help their case. Sadly I see little evidence of that principle being common practice. They are quite career oriented and thrive on a high conviction rate regardless of justice or honesty. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/1/13 7:14 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. ------------------------------------------ The lead investigator recommended a charge of manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder. Technically the jury is not supposed to know that and it can't be allowed as evidence in the trial. Flipped MSNBC on briefly just as the Rev. Al's show was coming on. "Breaking News" on his show's banner. What was the "breaking news"? Zimmerman used the term "those guys" on more that one occasion during the series of police interviews. As usual, the Rev. automatically jumps to the race angle. Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. I heard that, too, and I assumed Zimmerman meant blacks by his "those guys" comment. I still have not heard evidence as to why Zimmerman was chasing down Martin. If Martin actually punched Zimmerman, perhaps Martin was simply standing his ground after being stalked by a white guy brandishing a firearm, and Zimmerman said to himself, "Screw this," and shot the kid. --------------------------------------- Who knows? I am not taking sides and don't have a clue if he's telling the truth. I find the trial fascinating though. But I find it interesting that you also automatically assume Zimmerman was referring to blacks with his "those guys" comment. Why? In all the interviews and written statements, he talks about break ins/home invasions and never (to my knowledge) refers to blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians or any specific race as being responsible. He refers to them as "burglars". So, when he says "those guys", I take it as being "those guys" that are committing the burglaries. So why did he get out of his car and start following Martin? Martin have "BURGLAR" printed on the back of his hoodie? Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, reckless endangerment - something - but, according to Florida's definition of 2nd degree murder, not that. Incidentally, immediately after the shooting happened, TV news reported the first detective on the scene wanted to charge him with 2nd degree murder. |
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On 7/2/13 10:00 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/2/2013 8:50 AM, Eisboch wrote: The whole point of the court process is to separate truth from fiction and produce justice. To that end, even the prosecution's primary responsibility is to expose the truth, even if it doesn't help their case. Sadly I see little evidence of that principle being common practice. They are quite career oriented and thrive on a high conviction rate regardless of justice or honesty. There should be an asterisk after the statement about the "whole point of the court process..." * *, and in many cases, produce justice in a criminal proceeding if you are wealthy enough to afford a team of top-notch private defense lawyers." Most indigent defendants are forced to accept whatever plea bargain their public defenders are able to beg out of the prosecutors. Guilt, innocence and justice often play no role. |
Zimm trial
On 7/3/2013 3:15 AM, Glaasgok wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/1/13 7:14 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. ------------------------------------------ The lead investigator recommended a charge of manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder. Technically the jury is not supposed to know that and it can't be allowed as evidence in the trial. Flipped MSNBC on briefly just as the Rev. Al's show was coming on. "Breaking News" on his show's banner. What was the "breaking news"? Zimmerman used the term "those guys" on more that one occasion during the series of police interviews. As usual, the Rev. automatically jumps to the race angle. Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. I heard that, too, and I assumed Zimmerman meant blacks by his "those guys" comment. I still have not heard evidence as to why Zimmerman was chasing down Martin. If Martin actually punched Zimmerman, perhaps Martin was simply standing his ground after being stalked by a white guy brandishing a firearm, and Zimmerman said to himself, "Screw this," and shot the kid. --------------------------------------- Who knows? I am not taking sides and don't have a clue if he's telling the truth. I find the trial fascinating though. But I find it interesting that you also automatically assume Zimmerman was referring to blacks with his "those guys" comment. Why? In all the interviews and written statements, he talks about break ins/home invasions and never (to my knowledge) refers to blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians or any specific race as being responsible. He refers to them as "burglars". So, when he says "those guys", I take it as being "those guys" that are committing the burglaries. So why did he get out of his car and start following Martin? Martin have "BURGLAR" printed on the back of his hoodie? Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, reckless endangerment - something - but, according to Florida's definition of 2nd degree murder, not that. Incidentally, immediately after the shooting happened, TV news reported the first detective on the scene wanted to charge him with 2nd degree murder. OH NOOOOOOO, "the news reported it"... Yeah, the news also changed a recording of the initial 911 call to make Zimmermann look racist... |
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