Stand your ground, Texas style
 

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:09:06 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of

charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing
that

because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Frago,
who

wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.



Gilbert had admitted to shooting Lenora Ivie Frago in the neck on

Christmas Eve 2009, when she accepted $150 from Gilbert and left his

home without having sex with him. Frago, who was paralyzed by the

shooting, died several months later.



Gilbert's defense argued that the shooting wasn't meant to kill, and

that Gilbert's actions were justified, because he believed that sex

was included as part of the fee. Texas law allows people "to use

deadly force to recover property during a nighttime theft."



The 30-year-old hugged his defense attorneys after the "not guilty"

verdict was read by the judge. If convicted, he could have faced
life

in prison. He thanked God, his lawyers, and the jury for being able
to

"see what wasn't the truth."

Since you asked so nicely...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/...34893820070828

Obviously jps is posting the exceptions.

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Your linked article points out that there is an apparent correlation
between a nation's population wealth and number of guns owned.
It then surmises that it's due to more disposable income. Maybe
not. Maybe it's to protect that disposable income.
The question: "Why did you rob a bank?" The answer" "Because
that's where the money is."

Stand your ground, Texas style
 

On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 17:51:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:09:06 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of

charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing
that

because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Frago,
who

wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.



Gilbert had admitted to shooting Lenora Ivie Frago in the neck on

Christmas Eve 2009, when she accepted $150 from Gilbert and left his

home without having sex with him. Frago, who was paralyzed by the

shooting, died several months later.



Gilbert's defense argued that the shooting wasn't meant to kill, and

that Gilbert's actions were justified, because he believed that sex

was included as part of the fee. Texas law allows people "to use

deadly force to recover property during a nighttime theft."



The 30-year-old hugged his defense attorneys after the "not guilty"

verdict was read by the judge. If convicted, he could have faced
life

in prison. He thanked God, his lawyers, and the jury for being able
to

"see what wasn't the truth."

Since you asked so nicely...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/...34893820070828

Obviously jps is posting the exceptions.

---------------------------------------------------------

Your linked article points out that there is an apparent correlation
between a nation's population wealth and number of guns owned.
It then surmises that it's due to more disposable income. Maybe
not. Maybe it's to protect that disposable income.
The question: "Why did you rob a bank?" The answer" "Because
that's where the money is."

I posted the article to show roughly how many folks in this country owned guns. It's probably in the
neighborhood of 100 million - give or take a few million.

So, posting an incident of stupidly or gunfire every other day is highlighting the exceptions - not
the vast majority of gun owners.

But, I see your point. I hadn't looked at the wealth aspect. Good rationale.

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Stand your ground, Texas style
 

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:18:49 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:56:39 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:50:26 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:09:06 -0700, jps wrote:


A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of
charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing that
because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Frago, who
wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.

So, what's the problem?

Remember this?

Homeowner detains intruder, KKTV, Colorado Springs, Colo. 05/23/13

Posted on May 30, 2013

Jeremy Strong was at home with his wife and son when his wife alerted him to someone attempting to
break into their house. Strong retrieved a gun, went to investigate, and discovered a man who had
broken through one of the home’s windows. Strong aimed his firearm at the intruder, ordered him to
the ground and held him at gunpoint until police could arrive.

Police later determined that the man was likely high on methamphetamines at the time of the
disturbance. A charitable man, despite the damage, Strong has not pressed charges against the
criminal, explaining that the man needs help. (KKTV, Colorado Springs, Colo. 05/23/13)

Thank goodness for guns!

John H.

An excellent example of a man who can handle his gun and has a heart.
To be applauded. I expect he's not a rarity but certainly rare when
compared to the number of idiots who have little common sense and
hearts to match.

He is representative of the vast majority of gun owners, as opposed to the rare exceptions with
which you attempt to troll.

John H.

Rare exceptions? Oh golly, each year 15,000 victims of guns and
17,000 suicide victims and their families might beg to differ with
you.

Stand your ground, Texas style
 

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:52:29 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:18:49 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:56:39 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:50:26 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:09:06 -0700, jps wrote:


A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of
charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing that
because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Frago, who
wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.

So, what's the problem?

Remember this?

Homeowner detains intruder, KKTV, Colorado Springs, Colo. 05/23/13

Posted on May 30, 2013

Jeremy Strong was at home with his wife and son when his wife alerted him to someone attempting to
break into their house. Strong retrieved a gun, went to investigate, and discovered a man who had
broken through one of the home’s windows. Strong aimed his firearm at the intruder, ordered him to
the ground and held him at gunpoint until police could arrive.

Police later determined that the man was likely high on methamphetamines at the time of the
disturbance. A charitable man, despite the damage, Strong has not pressed charges against the
criminal, explaining that the man needs help. (KKTV, Colorado Springs, Colo. 05/23/13)

Thank goodness for guns!

John H.

An excellent example of a man who can handle his gun and has a heart.
To be applauded. I expect he's not a rarity but certainly rare when
compared to the number of idiots who have little common sense and
hearts to match.

He is representative of the vast majority of gun owners, as opposed to the rare exceptions with
which you attempt to troll.

John H.

Rare exceptions? Oh golly, each year 15,000 victims of guns and
17,000 suicide victims and their families might beg to differ with
you.

Let's see, that's about 7/20's of 1%. Pretty small part of the population. Less than half a percent
would, in my book, be considered a pretty rare exception.

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Stand your ground, Texas style
 

On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 09:32:54 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:52:29 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:18:49 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:56:39 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:50:26 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:09:06 -0700, jps wrote:


A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of
charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing that
because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Frago, who
wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.

So, what's the problem?

Remember this?

Homeowner detains intruder, KKTV, Colorado Springs, Colo. 05/23/13

Posted on May 30, 2013

Jeremy Strong was at home with his wife and son when his wife alerted him to someone attempting to
break into their house. Strong retrieved a gun, went to investigate, and discovered a man who had
broken through one of the home’s windows. Strong aimed his firearm at the intruder, ordered him to
the ground and held him at gunpoint until police could arrive.

Police later determined that the man was likely high on methamphetamines at the time of the
disturbance. A charitable man, despite the damage, Strong has not pressed charges against the
criminal, explaining that the man needs help. (KKTV, Colorado Springs, Colo. 05/23/13)

Thank goodness for guns!

John H.

An excellent example of a man who can handle his gun and has a heart.
To be applauded. I expect he's not a rarity but certainly rare when
compared to the number of idiots who have little common sense and
hearts to match.

He is representative of the vast majority of gun owners, as opposed to the rare exceptions with
which you attempt to troll.

John H.

Rare exceptions? Oh golly, each year 15,000 victims of guns and
17,000 suicide victims and their families might beg to differ with
you.

Let's see, that's about 7/20's of 1%. Pretty small part of the population. Less than half a percent
would, in my book, be considered a pretty rare exception.

John H.

A ridiculous conclusion by any stretch of the imagination.

Using your logic, there was no reason to respond to or feel badly
about 911 or the 2700 lives lost. They only represent 1/20th of 1%.

Stand your ground, Texas style
 

F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/6/13 3:24 PM, True North wrote:
Unbelievable!



Texas is a wild-ass state, worse, in many ways, than Florida, in terms
of strange and violent criminal behavior. If you ever tour the Lower
48, it's worth putting on your "avoid" list, along with Mississippi,
Alabama, and South Carolina. Louisiana is worth visiting, though. Note
that I am not saying our other states are without craziness and
violence, but from the headlines I see on regular news shows, it's
hard to top Texas.
Rather than watching news and posting here 24-7, have you considered
getting a job to repay the American taxpayers for your debts?

Stand your ground, Texas style
 

jps wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 09:32:54 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:52:29 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:18:49 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:56:39 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:50:26 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:09:06 -0700, jps wrote:

A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of
charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing that
because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Frago, who
wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.
So, what's the problem?

Remember this?

Homeowner detains intruder, KKTV, Colorado Springs, Colo. 05/23/13

Posted on May 30, 2013

Jeremy Strong was at home with his wife and son when his wife alerted him to someone attempting to
break into their house. Strong retrieved a gun, went to investigate, and discovered a man who had
broken through one of the home’s windows. Strong aimed his firearm at the intruder, ordered him to
the ground and held him at gunpoint until police could arrive.

Police later determined that the man was likely high on methamphetamines at the time of the
disturbance. A charitable man, despite the damage, Strong has not pressed charges against the
criminal, explaining that the man needs help. (KKTV, Colorado Springs, Colo. 05/23/13)

Thank goodness for guns!

John H.
An excellent example of a man who can handle his gun and has a heart.
To be applauded. I expect he's not a rarity but certainly rare when
compared to the number of idiots who have little common sense and
hearts to match.
He is representative of the vast majority of gun owners, as opposed to the rare exceptions with
which you attempt to troll.

John H.
Rare exceptions? Oh golly, each year 15,000 victims of guns and
17,000 suicide victims and their families might beg to differ with
you.
Let's see, that's about 7/20's of 1%. Pretty small part of the population. Less than half a percent
would, in my book, be considered a pretty rare exception.

John H.
A ridiculous conclusion by any stretch of the imagination.

Using your logic, there was no reason to respond to or feel badly
about 911 or the 2700 lives lost. They only represent 1/20th of 1%.
Apples and oranges, moron. Try a better spin next time. No one will fall
for that BS.

Stand your ground, Texas style
 

On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 21:01:46 -0400, Earl wrote:

jps wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 09:32:54 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:52:29 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:18:49 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:56:39 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:50:26 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:09:06 -0700, jps wrote:

A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of
charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing that
because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Frago, who
wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.
So, what's the problem?

Remember this?

Homeowner detains intruder, KKTV, Colorado Springs, Colo. 05/23/13

Posted on May 30, 2013

Jeremy Strong was at home with his wife and son when his wife alerted him to someone attempting to
break into their house. Strong retrieved a gun, went to investigate, and discovered a man who had
broken through one of the home’s windows. Strong aimed his firearm at the intruder, ordered him to
the ground and held him at gunpoint until police could arrive.

Police later determined that the man was likely high on methamphetamines at the time of the
disturbance. A charitable man, despite the damage, Strong has not pressed charges against the
criminal, explaining that the man needs help. (KKTV, Colorado Springs, Colo. 05/23/13)

Thank goodness for guns!

John H.
An excellent example of a man who can handle his gun and has a heart.
To be applauded. I expect he's not a rarity but certainly rare when
compared to the number of idiots who have little common sense and
hearts to match.
He is representative of the vast majority of gun owners, as opposed to the rare exceptions with
which you attempt to troll.

John H.
Rare exceptions? Oh golly, each year 15,000 victims of guns and
17,000 suicide victims and their families might beg to differ with
you.
Let's see, that's about 7/20's of 1%. Pretty small part of the population. Less than half a percent
would, in my book, be considered a pretty rare exception.

John H.
A ridiculous conclusion by any stretch of the imagination.

Using your logic, there was no reason to respond to or feel badly
about 911 or the 2700 lives lost. They only represent 1/20th of 1%.
Apples and oranges, moron. Try a better spin next time. No one will fall
for that BS.

That was my point you freakin' jerk. Whooosh!

Stand your ground, Texas style
 

On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 11:25:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 09:32:54 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:52:29 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:18:49 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:56:39 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:50:26 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:09:06 -0700, jps wrote:


A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of
charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing that
because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Frago, who
wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.

So, what's the problem?

Remember this?

Homeowner detains intruder, KKTV, Colorado Springs, Colo. 05/23/13

Posted on May 30, 2013

Jeremy Strong was at home with his wife and son when his wife alerted him to someone attempting to
break into their house. Strong retrieved a gun, went to investigate, and discovered a man who had
broken through one of the home’s windows. Strong aimed his firearm at the intruder, ordered him to
the ground and held him at gunpoint until police could arrive.

Police later determined that the man was likely high on methamphetamines at the time of the
disturbance. A charitable man, despite the damage, Strong has not pressed charges against the
criminal, explaining that the man needs help. (KKTV, Colorado Springs, Colo. 05/23/13)

Thank goodness for guns!

John H.

An excellent example of a man who can handle his gun and has a heart.
To be applauded. I expect he's not a rarity but certainly rare when
compared to the number of idiots who have little common sense and
hearts to match.

He is representative of the vast majority of gun owners, as opposed to the rare exceptions with
which you attempt to troll.

John H.

Rare exceptions? Oh golly, each year 15,000 victims of guns and
17,000 suicide victims and their families might beg to differ with
you.

Let's see, that's about 7/20's of 1%. Pretty small part of the population. Less than half a percent
would, in my book, be considered a pretty rare exception.

John H.

A ridiculous conclusion by any stretch of the imagination.

Using your logic, there was no reason to respond to or feel badly
about 911 or the 2700 lives lost. They only represent 1/20th of 1%.

No, I think you should post something about Islamic jihadists every day.

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Stand your ground, Texas style
 

On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:29:47 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 11:25:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 09:32:54 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:52:29 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:18:49 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:56:39 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:50:26 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:09:06 -0700, jps wrote:


A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of
charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing that
because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Frago, who
wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.

So, what's the problem?

Remember this?

Homeowner detains intruder, KKTV, Colorado Springs, Colo. 05/23/13

Posted on May 30, 2013

Jeremy Strong was at home with his wife and son when his wife alerted him to someone attempting to
break into their house. Strong retrieved a gun, went to investigate, and discovered a man who had
broken through one of the home’s windows. Strong aimed his firearm at the intruder, ordered him to
the ground and held him at gunpoint until police could arrive.

Police later determined that the man was likely high on methamphetamines at the time of the
disturbance. A charitable man, despite the damage, Strong has not pressed charges against the
criminal, explaining that the man needs help. (KKTV, Colorado Springs, Colo. 05/23/13)

Thank goodness for guns!

John H.

An excellent example of a man who can handle his gun and has a heart.
To be applauded. I expect he's not a rarity but certainly rare when
compared to the number of idiots who have little common sense and
hearts to match.

He is representative of the vast majority of gun owners, as opposed to the rare exceptions with
which you attempt to troll.

John H.

Rare exceptions? Oh golly, each year 15,000 victims of guns and
17,000 suicide victims and their families might beg to differ with
you.

Let's see, that's about 7/20's of 1%. Pretty small part of the population. Less than half a percent
would, in my book, be considered a pretty rare exception.

John H.

A ridiculous conclusion by any stretch of the imagination.

Using your logic, there was no reason to respond to or feel badly
about 911 or the 2700 lives lost. They only represent 1/20th of 1%.

No, I think you should post something about Islamic jihadists every day.

John H.

They're busy killing each other, we're busy killing each other.

I'm more concerned with us.