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Earl[_88_] May 31st 13 12:55 AM

..a real Canadian hockey fan..
 
True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 May 2013 11:56:47 UTC-3, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 29 May 2013 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Here's a GOOD NEWS story for you.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...nada-oecd.html



====



How's that new boat doing? Have we seen any pictures yet?



I agree with you that Canada in the summer time is a wonderful place.

One of our best boat cruises ever was up the Rideau Canal system from

Kingston, Ontario with the return leg via the Ottawa River, St

Lawrence River, Chambly Canal and Lake Champlain.

Trouble with posting pictures is..the usual low lifes will want to use them to harass, belittle and intimidate every chance they get.

BTW I'm thinking of buying an electric trailer dolly to help manouver the boat/trailer in tight spaces such as on my somewhat narrow street and narrower driveway.
Princess Auto has a made in China 12 volt unit for $400.00. Comes with single drive wheel and a small battery.
I was talking to another company that has a nicer two drive wheel version for three times as much. (I supply car type battery)
Both are supposidly rated for between 4500 and 5000 lbs but for the cheaper unit...that's on a level surface.

You have a history of harassment, belittling, and intimidation, Don so I
understand why you wouldn't want to post photos.

WTF is supposidly? Your spell-checking BS is yet another thing that can
backfire on you, eh?

Learn to trailer with your vehicle. I can get into any spot 12" wider
than my trailer with my SUV.

Earl[_88_] May 31st 13 12:59 AM

..a real Canadian hockey fan..
 
True North wrote:
Yes, got the trailer dolly on sale, about the same price as your Harbour Freight.
It works perfectly on a level surface... but pushing uphill..or trying to prevent a runaway on a downhill slope..not so much for my 2000 pound rig.
I sometimes get the wife behind the boat helping to push but am concerned for her safety if I lost control.

You don't have any friends?

JustWaitAFrekinMinute May 31st 13 02:35 AM

..a real Canadian hockey fan..
 
On 5/30/2013 7:55 PM, Earl wrote:
True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 May 2013 11:56:47 UTC-3, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 29 May 2013 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Here's a GOOD NEWS story for you.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...nada-oecd.html



====



How's that new boat doing? Have we seen any pictures yet?



I agree with you that Canada in the summer time is a wonderful place.

One of our best boat cruises ever was up the Rideau Canal system from

Kingston, Ontario with the return leg via the Ottawa River, St

Lawrence River, Chambly Canal and Lake Champlain.

Trouble with posting pictures is..the usual low lifes will want to use
them to harass, belittle and intimidate every chance they get.

BTW I'm thinking of buying an electric trailer dolly to help manouver
the boat/trailer in tight spaces such as on my somewhat narrow street
and narrower driveway.
Princess Auto has a made in China 12 volt unit for $400.00. Comes with
single drive wheel and a small battery.
I was talking to another company that has a nicer two drive wheel
version for three times as much. (I supply car type battery)
Both are supposidly rated for between 4500 and 5000 lbs but for the
cheaper unit...that's on a level surface.

You have a history of harassment, belittling, and intimidation, Don so I
understand why you wouldn't want to post photos.

WTF is supposidly? Your spell-checking BS is yet another thing that can
backfire on you, eh?

Learn to trailer with your vehicle. I can get into any spot 12" wider
than my trailer with my SUV.


Yup, I can pretty much put a trailer anywhere. I have backed them into
marinas around corners and to slips:) I do have a bit of experience
driving trucks though.. My dad taught me a secret for backing when I was
about 8, when he taught me to drive.

Earl[_88_] June 1st 13 02:00 AM

..a real Canadian hockey fan..
 
JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/30/2013 7:55 PM, Earl wrote:
True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 May 2013 11:56:47 UTC-3, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 29 May 2013 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Here's a GOOD NEWS story for you.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...nada-oecd.html




====



How's that new boat doing? Have we seen any pictures yet?



I agree with you that Canada in the summer time is a wonderful place.

One of our best boat cruises ever was up the Rideau Canal system from

Kingston, Ontario with the return leg via the Ottawa River, St

Lawrence River, Chambly Canal and Lake Champlain.
Trouble with posting pictures is..the usual low lifes will want to use
them to harass, belittle and intimidate every chance they get.

BTW I'm thinking of buying an electric trailer dolly to help manouver
the boat/trailer in tight spaces such as on my somewhat narrow street
and narrower driveway.
Princess Auto has a made in China 12 volt unit for $400.00. Comes with
single drive wheel and a small battery.
I was talking to another company that has a nicer two drive wheel
version for three times as much. (I supply car type battery)
Both are supposidly rated for between 4500 and 5000 lbs but for the
cheaper unit...that's on a level surface.

You have a history of harassment, belittling, and intimidation, Don so I
understand why you wouldn't want to post photos.

WTF is supposidly? Your spell-checking BS is yet another thing that can
backfire on you, eh?

Learn to trailer with your vehicle. I can get into any spot 12" wider
than my trailer with my SUV.


Yup, I can pretty much put a trailer anywhere. I have backed them into
marinas around corners and to slips:) I do have a bit of experience
driving trucks though.. My dad taught me a secret for backing when I
was about 8, when he taught me to drive.


Hand on the bottom of the wheel and move in the direction you want the
trailer to go?

True North[_2_] June 1st 13 02:03 AM

..a real Canadian hockey fan..
 
Duh...that's a big secret??
Everyone knows that. Every instructional uses that procedure.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute June 1st 13 02:42 AM

..a real Canadian hockey fan..
 
On 5/31/2013 9:00 PM, Earl wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/30/2013 7:55 PM, Earl wrote:
True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 May 2013 11:56:47 UTC-3, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 29 May 2013 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Here's a GOOD NEWS story for you.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...nada-oecd.html




====



How's that new boat doing? Have we seen any pictures yet?



I agree with you that Canada in the summer time is a wonderful place.

One of our best boat cruises ever was up the Rideau Canal system from

Kingston, Ontario with the return leg via the Ottawa River, St

Lawrence River, Chambly Canal and Lake Champlain.
Trouble with posting pictures is..the usual low lifes will want to use
them to harass, belittle and intimidate every chance they get.

BTW I'm thinking of buying an electric trailer dolly to help manouver
the boat/trailer in tight spaces such as on my somewhat narrow street
and narrower driveway.
Princess Auto has a made in China 12 volt unit for $400.00. Comes with
single drive wheel and a small battery.
I was talking to another company that has a nicer two drive wheel
version for three times as much. (I supply car type battery)
Both are supposidly rated for between 4500 and 5000 lbs but for the
cheaper unit...that's on a level surface.
You have a history of harassment, belittling, and intimidation, Don so I
understand why you wouldn't want to post photos.

WTF is supposidly? Your spell-checking BS is yet another thing that can
backfire on you, eh?

Learn to trailer with your vehicle. I can get into any spot 12" wider
than my trailer with my SUV.


Yup, I can pretty much put a trailer anywhere. I have backed them into
marinas around corners and to slips:) I do have a bit of experience
driving trucks though.. My dad taught me a secret for backing when I
was about 8, when he taught me to drive.


Hand on the bottom of the wheel and move in the direction you want the
trailer to go?


Actually what he told me was "Know your vehicle and in particular, how
wide it is/how wide your target is. Choose your path, pick a mirror, and
go... (heres the main part) *Do not swivel your head from side to side,
just watch one side of the vehicle and the other side will take care of
itself*".

The idea being if you have an 8 foot vehicle and a 10 foot hole, you
keep your side 1 foot from the side, and you really don't need to look
at the other side... just pay attention to your side. Too many people
get caught up looking from one mirror to another, and end up hitting
something.

"Backing" is kind of a "thing" in our family. I am not sure if any of
you remember ten years ago when I taught my middle daughter to drive. I
took her to a state park, drove all the way down a dirt road (jeep CJ,
standard trans) and told her to back it out. She said "why" and I said
because if you can back this short wheel base vehicle out of the woods,
you can drive it anywhere... She backed it out, drove it back, backed it
out, etc.. a few times, then we hit the road....



iBoaterer[_3_] June 1st 13 01:33 PM

..a real Canadian hockey fan..
 
In article , earl9311
@hotmail.com says...

JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/30/2013 7:55 PM, Earl wrote:
True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 May 2013 11:56:47 UTC-3, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 29 May 2013 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Here's a GOOD NEWS story for you.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...nada-oecd.html




====



How's that new boat doing? Have we seen any pictures yet?



I agree with you that Canada in the summer time is a wonderful place.

One of our best boat cruises ever was up the Rideau Canal system from

Kingston, Ontario with the return leg via the Ottawa River, St

Lawrence River, Chambly Canal and Lake Champlain.
Trouble with posting pictures is..the usual low lifes will want to use
them to harass, belittle and intimidate every chance they get.

BTW I'm thinking of buying an electric trailer dolly to help manouver
the boat/trailer in tight spaces such as on my somewhat narrow street
and narrower driveway.
Princess Auto has a made in China 12 volt unit for $400.00. Comes with
single drive wheel and a small battery.
I was talking to another company that has a nicer two drive wheel
version for three times as much. (I supply car type battery)
Both are supposidly rated for between 4500 and 5000 lbs but for the
cheaper unit...that's on a level surface.
You have a history of harassment, belittling, and intimidation, Don so I
understand why you wouldn't want to post photos.

WTF is supposidly? Your spell-checking BS is yet another thing that can
backfire on you, eh?

Learn to trailer with your vehicle. I can get into any spot 12" wider
than my trailer with my SUV.


Yup, I can pretty much put a trailer anywhere. I have backed them into
marinas around corners and to slips:) I do have a bit of experience
driving trucks though.. My dad taught me a secret for backing when I
was about 8, when he taught me to drive.


Hand on the bottom of the wheel and move in the direction you want the
trailer to go?


There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I grew
up on a farm.

iBoaterer[_3_] June 1st 13 01:35 PM

..a real Canadian hockey fan..
 
In article ,
says...

On 5/31/2013 9:00 PM, Earl wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/30/2013 7:55 PM, Earl wrote:
True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 May 2013 11:56:47 UTC-3, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 29 May 2013 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Here's a GOOD NEWS story for you.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...nada-oecd.html




====



How's that new boat doing? Have we seen any pictures yet?



I agree with you that Canada in the summer time is a wonderful place.

One of our best boat cruises ever was up the Rideau Canal system from

Kingston, Ontario with the return leg via the Ottawa River, St

Lawrence River, Chambly Canal and Lake Champlain.
Trouble with posting pictures is..the usual low lifes will want to use
them to harass, belittle and intimidate every chance they get.

BTW I'm thinking of buying an electric trailer dolly to help manouver
the boat/trailer in tight spaces such as on my somewhat narrow street
and narrower driveway.
Princess Auto has a made in China 12 volt unit for $400.00. Comes with
single drive wheel and a small battery.
I was talking to another company that has a nicer two drive wheel
version for three times as much. (I supply car type battery)
Both are supposidly rated for between 4500 and 5000 lbs but for the
cheaper unit...that's on a level surface.
You have a history of harassment, belittling, and intimidation, Don so I
understand why you wouldn't want to post photos.

WTF is supposidly? Your spell-checking BS is yet another thing that can
backfire on you, eh?

Learn to trailer with your vehicle. I can get into any spot 12" wider
than my trailer with my SUV.

Yup, I can pretty much put a trailer anywhere. I have backed them into
marinas around corners and to slips:) I do have a bit of experience
driving trucks though.. My dad taught me a secret for backing when I
was about 8, when he taught me to drive.


Hand on the bottom of the wheel and move in the direction you want the
trailer to go?


Actually what he told me was "Know your vehicle and in particular, how
wide it is/how wide your target is. Choose your path, pick a mirror, and
go... (heres the main part) *Do not swivel your head from side to side,
just watch one side of the vehicle and the other side will take care of
itself*".

The idea being if you have an 8 foot vehicle and a 10 foot hole, you
keep your side 1 foot from the side, and you really don't need to look
at the other side... just pay attention to your side. Too many people
get caught up looking from one mirror to another, and end up hitting
something.

"Backing" is kind of a "thing" in our family. I am not sure if any of
you remember ten years ago when I taught my middle daughter to drive. I
took her to a state park, drove all the way down a dirt road (jeep CJ,
standard trans) and told her to back it out. She said "why" and I said
because if you can back this short wheel base vehicle out of the woods,
you can drive it anywhere... She backed it out, drove it back, backed it
out, etc.. a few times, then we hit the road....


Cool story, Bro!

F.O.A.D. June 1st 13 03:46 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
On 6/1/13 8:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I grew
up on a farm.


I disagree. It takes practice, trial and error, and more practice to
back up a decent-sized trailer with accuracy. Best place to practice is
an empty parking lot and bring along some traffic cones or a substitute.

I was fortunate to start towing boats around my dad's boat yard at a
pretty young age. He made me start with a jeep and an empty trailer, and
some empty outboard motor boxes as markers. But it was easier then
because boats were smaller and you could see what was behind them as you
backed up. Trailers for 14' to 18' or so boats, no sweat. Tandem or
larger boat trailers are more difficult.

When we got our 25' Parker, which was about 32' long, overall, with the
bow pulpit and motor bracket, it took me a couple of times, despite my
decades of experience to get the hang of it. You couldn't see much on
either side of the boat when it was on the trailer and of course, you
couldn't see anything to the rear of the boat. The bow towered over the
tow vehicle.

Interestingly, my wife figured out backing up with a boat trailer almost
instantly when we got our first outboard boat in Florida, and she was
far better and more efficient at it than I ever was, no matter the size
of the boat.

Hank©[_2_] June 1st 13 04:18 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
On 6/1/2013 10:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/1/13 8:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I grew
up on a farm.


I disagree. It takes practice, trial and error, and more practice to
back up a decent-sized trailer with accuracy. Best place to practice is
an empty parking lot and bring along some traffic cones or a substitute.

I was fortunate to start towing boats around my dad's boat yard at a
pretty young age. He made me start with a jeep and an empty trailer, and
some empty outboard motor boxes as markers. But it was easier then
because boats were smaller and you could see what was behind them as you
backed up. Trailers for 14' to 18' or so boats, no sweat. Tandem or
larger boat trailers are more difficult.

When we got our 25' Parker, which was about 32' long, overall, with the
bow pulpit and motor bracket, it took me a couple of times, despite my
decades of experience to get the hang of it. You couldn't see much on
either side of the boat when it was on the trailer and of course, you
couldn't see anything to the rear of the boat. The bow towered over the
tow vehicle.

Interestingly, my wife figured out backing up with a boat trailer almost
instantly when we got our first outboard boat in Florida, and she was
far better and more efficient at it than I ever was, no matter the size
of the boat.


She probably has an analytical mind and a good memory which you probably
lack.. Pivot point and overhang swing radius of the trailer are critical
things to be aware of. Trailer pivot point to tow vehicle connection
point distance is another factor that affects tendency to jackknife
especially with a receiver hitch on a long overhang to vehicle. 5th
wheels are probably the easiest to maneuver, owing to the fact that the
tow vehicle pivot point is at the axle and not some distance behind it.

Hank©[_2_] June 1st 13 04:22 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
On 6/1/2013 11:18 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 10:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/1/13 8:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I grew
up on a farm.


I disagree. It takes practice, trial and error, and more practice to
back up a decent-sized trailer with accuracy. Best place to practice is
an empty parking lot and bring along some traffic cones or a substitute.

I was fortunate to start towing boats around my dad's boat yard at a
pretty young age. He made me start with a jeep and an empty trailer, and
some empty outboard motor boxes as markers. But it was easier then
because boats were smaller and you could see what was behind them as you
backed up. Trailers for 14' to 18' or so boats, no sweat. Tandem or
larger boat trailers are more difficult.

When we got our 25' Parker, which was about 32' long, overall, with the
bow pulpit and motor bracket, it took me a couple of times, despite my
decades of experience to get the hang of it. You couldn't see much on
either side of the boat when it was on the trailer and of course, you
couldn't see anything to the rear of the boat. The bow towered over the
tow vehicle.

Interestingly, my wife figured out backing up with a boat trailer almost
instantly when we got our first outboard boat in Florida, and she was
far better and more efficient at it than I ever was, no matter the size
of the boat.


She probably has an analytical mind and a good memory which you probably
lack.. Pivot point and overhang swing radius of the trailer are critical
things to be aware of. Trailer pivot point to tow vehicle connection
point distance is another factor that affects tendency to jackknife
especially with a receiver hitch on a long overhang to vehicle. 5th
wheels are probably the easiest to maneuver, owing to the fact that the
tow vehicle pivot point is at the axle and not some distance behind it.


Oh, as if backing a trailer wasn't hard enough, multiple trailer axles
present another problem. Care to guess what it is?

F.O.A.D. June 1st 13 05:27 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
On 6/1/13 12:05 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 10:46:53 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I grew
up on a farm.


I disagree. It takes practice, trial and error, and more practice to
back up a decent-sized trailer with accuracy. Best place to practice is
an empty parking lot and bring along some traffic cones or a substitute.


The most challenging rig I have had was my 20' pontoon behind "Moby
Dick" a stretch bed E-150 panel van. The trailer ball was almost 5'
behind the axle. Easiest is pushing the trailer behind my golf cart.
That is almost like backing an 18 wheeler.


I never drove an 18 wheeler. Loaded plenty of them, though, about 50
years ago. I assume the full rigs had 18 wheels back then. Never counted
the wheels.

iBoaterer[_3_] June 1st 13 05:31 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
In article ,
says...

On 6/1/13 8:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I grew
up on a farm.


I disagree. It takes practice, trial and error, and more practice to
back up a decent-sized trailer with accuracy. Best place to practice is
an empty parking lot and bring along some traffic cones or a substitute.

I was fortunate to start towing boats around my dad's boat yard at a
pretty young age. He made me start with a jeep and an empty trailer, and
some empty outboard motor boxes as markers. But it was easier then
because boats were smaller and you could see what was behind them as you
backed up. Trailers for 14' to 18' or so boats, no sweat. Tandem or
larger boat trailers are more difficult.

When we got our 25' Parker, which was about 32' long, overall, with the
bow pulpit and motor bracket, it took me a couple of times, despite my
decades of experience to get the hang of it. You couldn't see much on
either side of the boat when it was on the trailer and of course, you
couldn't see anything to the rear of the boat. The bow towered over the
tow vehicle.

Interestingly, my wife figured out backing up with a boat trailer almost
instantly when we got our first outboard boat in Florida, and she was
far better and more efficient at it than I ever was, no matter the size
of the boat.


I grew up backing things up, no biggy. It's actually quite simple, but I
guess to some it comes naturally, never had a problem.

iBoaterer[_3_] June 1st 13 05:34 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 10:46:53 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I grew
up on a farm.


I disagree. It takes practice, trial and error, and more practice to
back up a decent-sized trailer with accuracy. Best place to practice is
an empty parking lot and bring along some traffic cones or a substitute.


The most challenging rig I have had was my 20' pontoon behind "Moby
Dick" a stretch bed E-150 panel van. The trailer ball was almost 5'
behind the axle. Easiest is pushing the trailer behind my golf cart.
That is almost like backing an 18 wheeler.


You should try my lawn tractor with it's wagon hooked to it. Wagon is
maybe three feet from pin to axle. Turn just a tad backing up and you've
lost it.

F.O.A.D. June 1st 13 05:37 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
On 6/1/13 12:34 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 10:46:53 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I grew
up on a farm.


I disagree. It takes practice, trial and error, and more practice to
back up a decent-sized trailer with accuracy. Best place to practice is
an empty parking lot and bring along some traffic cones or a substitute.


The most challenging rig I have had was my 20' pontoon behind "Moby
Dick" a stretch bed E-150 panel van. The trailer ball was almost 5'
behind the axle. Easiest is pushing the trailer behind my golf cart.
That is almost like backing an 18 wheeler.


You should try my lawn tractor with it's wagon hooked to it. Wagon is
maybe three feet from pin to axle. Turn just a tad backing up and you've
lost it.


I tried hooking up our cats to a yard wagon. No, I didn't, but I've
thought about it over the years.

Wayne B June 1st 13 05:50 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 11:22:44 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

Oh, as if backing a trailer wasn't hard enough, multiple trailer axles
present another problem. Care to guess what it is?


===

Tire scrubbing?

At least with a triple axle, some of the tires just about have to be
moving sideways.

Eisboch[_8_] June 1st 13 05:51 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/1/13 8:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer
up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I
grew
up on a farm.


I disagree. It takes practice, trial and error, and more practice to
back up a decent-sized trailer with accuracy. Best place to practice
is
an empty parking lot and bring along some traffic cones or a
substitute.

-----------------------------------------------

It's easier to control the direction of a large, longer trailer than a
short one when backing.


Tim June 1st 13 05:58 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
On Jun 1, 11:51*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." *wrote in message

m...

On 6/1/13 8:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer
up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I
grew
up on a farm.


I disagree. It takes practice, trial and error, and more practice to
back up a decent-sized trailer with accuracy. Best place to practice
is
an empty parking lot and bring along some traffic cones or a
substitute.

-----------------------------------------------

It's easier to control the direction of a large, longer trailer than a
short one when backing.


I'd agree. With my 1990 Merc. station wagon, I hated backing my 18 ft
Chris Craft on a single axle EZ-load trailer. couldn't steer straight
back for spit.

However same tow vehicle I didn't have a problem with the 23' Marquis
on a dual axle Shoreline. I did prefer to have plenty of room to
turn and back because of the trailer flexing and tire skidding,
though.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute June 1st 13 06:13 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
On 6/1/2013 11:22 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 11:18 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 10:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/1/13 8:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I grew
up on a farm.


I disagree. It takes practice, trial and error, and more practice to
back up a decent-sized trailer with accuracy. Best place to practice is
an empty parking lot and bring along some traffic cones or a substitute.

I was fortunate to start towing boats around my dad's boat yard at a
pretty young age. He made me start with a jeep and an empty trailer, and
some empty outboard motor boxes as markers. But it was easier then
because boats were smaller and you could see what was behind them as you
backed up. Trailers for 14' to 18' or so boats, no sweat. Tandem or
larger boat trailers are more difficult.

When we got our 25' Parker, which was about 32' long, overall, with the
bow pulpit and motor bracket, it took me a couple of times, despite my
decades of experience to get the hang of it. You couldn't see much on
either side of the boat when it was on the trailer and of course, you
couldn't see anything to the rear of the boat. The bow towered over the
tow vehicle.

Interestingly, my wife figured out backing up with a boat trailer almost
instantly when we got our first outboard boat in Florida, and she was
far better and more efficient at it than I ever was, no matter the size
of the boat.


She probably has an analytical mind and a good memory which you probably
lack.. Pivot point and overhang swing radius of the trailer are critical
things to be aware of. Trailer pivot point to tow vehicle connection
point distance is another factor that affects tendency to jackknife
especially with a receiver hitch on a long overhang to vehicle. 5th
wheels are probably the easiest to maneuver, owing to the fact that the
tow vehicle pivot point is at the axle and not some distance behind it.


Oh, as if backing a trailer wasn't hard enough, multiple trailer axles
present another problem. Care to guess what it is?


Never thought about it.. is there only one pivot point between the two
trailers?

iBoaterer[_3_] June 1st 13 06:24 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
In article ,
says...

On 6/1/2013 11:22 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 11:18 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 10:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/1/13 8:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I grew
up on a farm.


I disagree. It takes practice, trial and error, and more practice to
back up a decent-sized trailer with accuracy. Best place to practice is
an empty parking lot and bring along some traffic cones or a substitute.

I was fortunate to start towing boats around my dad's boat yard at a
pretty young age. He made me start with a jeep and an empty trailer, and
some empty outboard motor boxes as markers. But it was easier then
because boats were smaller and you could see what was behind them as you
backed up. Trailers for 14' to 18' or so boats, no sweat. Tandem or
larger boat trailers are more difficult.

When we got our 25' Parker, which was about 32' long, overall, with the
bow pulpit and motor bracket, it took me a couple of times, despite my
decades of experience to get the hang of it. You couldn't see much on
either side of the boat when it was on the trailer and of course, you
couldn't see anything to the rear of the boat. The bow towered over the
tow vehicle.

Interestingly, my wife figured out backing up with a boat trailer almost
instantly when we got our first outboard boat in Florida, and she was
far better and more efficient at it than I ever was, no matter the size
of the boat.

She probably has an analytical mind and a good memory which you probably
lack.. Pivot point and overhang swing radius of the trailer are critical
things to be aware of. Trailer pivot point to tow vehicle connection
point distance is another factor that affects tendency to jackknife
especially with a receiver hitch on a long overhang to vehicle. 5th
wheels are probably the easiest to maneuver, owing to the fact that the
tow vehicle pivot point is at the axle and not some distance behind it.


Oh, as if backing a trailer wasn't hard enough, multiple trailer axles
present another problem. Care to guess what it is?


Never thought about it.. is there only one pivot point between the two
trailers?


WHAT "two trailers"?????

Hank©[_2_] June 1st 13 06:39 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
On 6/1/2013 1:13 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 6/1/2013 11:22 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 11:18 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 10:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/1/13 8:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer
up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I grew
up on a farm.


I disagree. It takes practice, trial and error, and more practice to
back up a decent-sized trailer with accuracy. Best place to practice is
an empty parking lot and bring along some traffic cones or a
substitute.

I was fortunate to start towing boats around my dad's boat yard at a
pretty young age. He made me start with a jeep and an empty trailer,
and
some empty outboard motor boxes as markers. But it was easier then
because boats were smaller and you could see what was behind them as
you
backed up. Trailers for 14' to 18' or so boats, no sweat. Tandem or
larger boat trailers are more difficult.

When we got our 25' Parker, which was about 32' long, overall, with the
bow pulpit and motor bracket, it took me a couple of times, despite my
decades of experience to get the hang of it. You couldn't see much on
either side of the boat when it was on the trailer and of course, you
couldn't see anything to the rear of the boat. The bow towered over the
tow vehicle.

Interestingly, my wife figured out backing up with a boat trailer
almost
instantly when we got our first outboard boat in Florida, and she was
far better and more efficient at it than I ever was, no matter the size
of the boat.

She probably has an analytical mind and a good memory which you probably
lack.. Pivot point and overhang swing radius of the trailer are critical
things to be aware of. Trailer pivot point to tow vehicle connection
point distance is another factor that affects tendency to jackknife
especially with a receiver hitch on a long overhang to vehicle. 5th
wheels are probably the easiest to maneuver, owing to the fact that the
tow vehicle pivot point is at the axle and not some distance behind it.


Oh, as if backing a trailer wasn't hard enough, multiple trailer axles
present another problem. Care to guess what it is?


Never thought about it.. is there only one pivot point between the two
trailers?

One trailer, multiple axles.

Hank©[_2_] June 1st 13 06:57 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
On 6/1/2013 12:50 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 11:22:44 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

Oh, as if backing a trailer wasn't hard enough, multiple trailer axles
present another problem. Care to guess what it is?


===

Tire scrubbing?

At least with a triple axle, some of the tires just about have to be
moving sideways.

Ever see one get peeled off the rim?

thumper June 1st 13 07:19 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
On 6/1/2013 7:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/1/13 8:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I grew
up on a farm.


I disagree. It takes practice, trial and error, and more practice to
back up a decent-sized trailer with accuracy. Best place to practice is
an empty parking lot and bring along some traffic cones or a substitute.

I was fortunate to start towing boats around my dad's boat yard at a
pretty young age. He made me start with a jeep and an empty trailer, and
some empty outboard motor boxes as markers. But it was easier then
because boats were smaller and you could see what was behind them as you
backed up. Trailers for 14' to 18' or so boats, no sweat. Tandem or
larger boat trailers are more difficult.

When we got our 25' Parker, which was about 32' long, overall, with the
bow pulpit and motor bracket, it took me a couple of times, despite my
decades of experience to get the hang of it. You couldn't see much on
either side of the boat when it was on the trailer and of course, you
couldn't see anything to the rear of the boat. The bow towered over the
tow vehicle.

Interestingly, my wife figured out backing up with a boat trailer almost
instantly when we got our first outboard boat in Florida, and she was
far better and more efficient at it than I ever was, no matter the size
of the boat.



I used to have a hard time with a short utility trailer but the longer
boat trailers have been quite easy. The extra distance from the hitch
to the trailer wheels helps.


Tim June 1st 13 10:13 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
On Jun 1, 12:57*pm, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 12:50 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 11:22:44 -0400, Hank©
wrote:


Oh, as if backing a trailer wasn't hard enough, multiple trailer axles
present another problem. Care to guess what it is?


===


Tire scrubbing?


At least with a triple axle, some of the tires just about have to be
moving sideways.


Ever see one get peeled off the rim?


Woah! I haven't but have a mental picture of it happening.

John H[_2_] June 2nd 13 09:53 PM

..a real Canadian hockey fan..
 
On Thu, 30 May 2013 05:31:53 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

I suppose the same procedure could be used to move the rig up a slight incline..3 to 5 degrees but I wouldn't want to travel too far.


Works both ways. Each swing of the tongue should get you a couple feet, and it's not a whole lot of
effort.

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H[_2_] June 2nd 13 10:16 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 11:18:54 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 6/1/2013 10:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/1/13 8:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

There isn't a whole lot of things to know about backing a trailer up! I
never could understand the troubles people have, but then again I grew
up on a farm.


I disagree. It takes practice, trial and error, and more practice to
back up a decent-sized trailer with accuracy. Best place to practice is
an empty parking lot and bring along some traffic cones or a substitute.

I was fortunate to start towing boats around my dad's boat yard at a
pretty young age. He made me start with a jeep and an empty trailer, and
some empty outboard motor boxes as markers. But it was easier then
because boats were smaller and you could see what was behind them as you
backed up. Trailers for 14' to 18' or so boats, no sweat. Tandem or
larger boat trailers are more difficult.

When we got our 25' Parker, which was about 32' long, overall, with the
bow pulpit and motor bracket, it took me a couple of times, despite my
decades of experience to get the hang of it. You couldn't see much on
either side of the boat when it was on the trailer and of course, you
couldn't see anything to the rear of the boat. The bow towered over the
tow vehicle.

Interestingly, my wife figured out backing up with a boat trailer almost
instantly when we got our first outboard boat in Florida, and she was
far better and more efficient at it than I ever was, no matter the size
of the boat.


She probably has an analytical mind and a good memory which you probably
lack.. Pivot point and overhang swing radius of the trailer are critical
things to be aware of. Trailer pivot point to tow vehicle connection
point distance is another factor that affects tendency to jackknife
especially with a receiver hitch on a long overhang to vehicle. 5th
wheels are probably the easiest to maneuver, owing to the fact that the
tow vehicle pivot point is at the axle and not some distance behind it.


I wish someone would tell my 5er that!!

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

iBoaterer[_3_] June 6th 13 03:01 PM

..a real Canadian hockey fan..
 
In article om, hank57
@socialworker.net says...

On 5/29/2013 6:12 PM, True North wrote:
That model looks exactly like the one else I have now.
Bought it at Princess Auto a few years ago.

I think you are saying that you have a dolly already. So why do you want
a powered one?


Can't read well?

iBoaterer[_3_] June 6th 13 03:02 PM

..a real Canadian hockey fan..
 
In article ,
says...

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 29 May 2013 08:22:55 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Trouble with posting pictures is..the usual low lifes will want to
use them to harass, belittle and intimidate every chance they get.


====

You shouldn't let that bother you. Most of them are just envious
that you have a boat and they don't, and in addition to that, low
lifes feel compelled to demonstrate their lack of altitude once in a
while. To them it's a way of showing off their lack of accomplishment
and/or lack of social skills. Like the old saying: "Living well is
the best revenge."

-----------------------------------------

First time I've heard that expression .... but I like it. Seems like
some people resent the abilities or achievements of others.


Indeed!

iBoaterer[_3_] June 6th 13 03:02 PM

..a real Canadian hockey fan..
 
In article ,
says...

On 5/30/2013 12:10 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 29 May 2013 08:22:55 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Trouble with posting pictures is..the usual low lifes will want to use
them to harass, belittle and intimidate every chance they get.


====

You shouldn't let that bother you. Most of them are just envious
that you have a boat and they don't, and in addition to that, low
lifes feel compelled to demonstrate their lack of altitude once in a
while. To them it's a way of showing off their lack of accomplishment
and/or lack of social skills. Like the old saying: "Living well is
the best revenge."

-----------------------------------------

First time I've heard that expression .... but I like it. Seems like
some people resent the abilities or achievements of others.


Some folks just resent when others *don't* judge them by it:)


And here we go!

[email protected] June 6th 13 05:55 PM

NOW Backing up a boat trailer.
 
On Saturday, June 1, 2013 12:58:44 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:


I'd agree. With my 1990 Merc. station wagon, I hated backing my 18 ft
Chris Craft on a single axle EZ-load trailer. couldn't steer straight
back for spit.


However same tow vehicle I didn't have a problem with the 23' Marquis
on a dual axle Shoreline. I did prefer to have plenty of room to
turn and back because of the trailer flexing and tire skidding,
though.


I used to have a 26' class A motorhome. Had a car tow dolly (the kind you drive the front tires up on a pivot plate and strap them down), and was on a trip with the car in tow. Made an accidental turn down a two lane, and soon found myself needing to turn around with no place to do a circle.

I tried to back it a few feet to do a multi-point turn, but there was no way. You could back it straight for a couple of feet, but any deviation at all made it start to jack knife because of the double pivot points. Had to pull the car off the dolly, make my turn, and put it back on. Lesson learned.


EnglishMajor June 7th 13 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by True North[_2_] (Post 967391)

I have a nephew that plays hockey in college and I am a Fan of his.


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