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Copied from a commenter responding to the news that a young woman accidently shot herself dead with her assault rifle... "I wonder how many times she was able to protect herself from the hoards of rapists and other monsters who were breaking into her house to get her before she shot herself in the head with her own assault weapon. That seems to me to be the key information missing from this story. In fact, I think that this a key piece of information that should be included in every damn gun story from now on. How many times did the gun who just killed a family member protect that family from the roving gangs of monsters who are regularly busting into homes and gang raping women and kidnapping babies. How many times did she use this gun for defense against such enemies before she killed herself with it. I'm guessing none!" |
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On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:02:37 -0700, jps wrote:
Copied from a commenter responding to the news that a young woman accidently shot herself dead with her assault rifle... "I wonder how many times she was able to protect herself from the hoards of rapists and other monsters who were breaking into her house to get her before she shot herself in the head with her own assault weapon. That seems to me to be the key information missing from this story. In fact, I think that this a key piece of information that should be included in every damn gun story from now on. How many times did the gun who just killed a family member protect that family from the roving gangs of monsters who are regularly busting into homes and gang raping women and kidnapping babies. How many times did she use this gun for defense against such enemies before she killed herself with it. I'm guessing none!" KMGH-TV described Anastasia Adair as “a new gun enthusiast.” Not anymore, she's not. |
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There's a sizeable portion of the population that should just stay away from guns...for one reason or another.
I sure wouldn't feel comfortable living next door to the likes of Snottie, Dickson, Ditzy Dan etc if I knew they were armed to the teeth. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... Copied from a commenter responding to the news that a young woman accidently shot herself dead with her assault rifle... "I wonder how many times she was able to protect herself from the hoards of rapists and other monsters who were breaking into her house to get her before she shot herself in the head with her own assault weapon. That seems to me to be the key information missing from this story. In fact, I think that this a key piece of information that should be included in every damn gun story from now on. How many times did the gun who just killed a family member protect that family from the roving gangs of monsters who are regularly busting into homes and gang raping women and kidnapping babies. How many times did she use this gun for defense against such enemies before she killed herself with it. I'm guessing none!" ---------------------------------- Drinking, inexperience and reckless behavior. Sad, but not the gun's fault. Here's something to read and consider. Set to me by a friend: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument or forcing me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing witha19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a car load of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a[armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I can not be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation… and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act. |
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On 5/17/2013 10:12 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:02:37 -0700, jps wrote: Copied from a commenter responding to the news that a young woman accidently shot herself dead with her assault rifle... "I wonder how many times she was able to protect herself from the hoards of rapists and other monsters who were breaking into her house to get her before she shot herself in the head with her own assault weapon. That seems to me to be the key information missing from this story. In fact, I think that this a key piece of information that should be included in every damn gun story from now on. How many times did the gun who just killed a family member protect that family from the roving gangs of monsters who are regularly busting into homes and gang raping women and kidnapping babies. How many times did she use this gun for defense against such enemies before she killed herself with it. I'm guessing none!" KMGH-TV described Anastasia Adair as “a new gun enthusiast.” Not anymore, she's not. She needed proper training, here a husband trains his wife. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bFQPECz1x0 Mikek |
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On 5/17/13 4:53 PM, amdx wrote:
On 5/17/2013 10:12 AM, jps wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:02:37 -0700, jps wrote: Copied from a commenter responding to the news that a young woman accidently shot herself dead with her assault rifle... "I wonder how many times she was able to protect herself from the hoards of rapists and other monsters who were breaking into her house to get her before she shot herself in the head with her own assault weapon. That seems to me to be the key information missing from this story. In fact, I think that this a key piece of information that should be included in every damn gun story from now on. How many times did the gun who just killed a family member protect that family from the roving gangs of monsters who are regularly busting into homes and gang raping women and kidnapping babies. How many times did she use this gun for defense against such enemies before she killed herself with it. I'm guessing none!" KMGH-TV described Anastasia Adair as “a new gun enthusiast.” Not anymore, she's not. She needed proper training, here a husband trains his wife. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bFQPECz1x0 Mikek Anyone who thinks that is funny is an asshole, too. |
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On Fri, 17 May 2013 16:37:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"jps" wrote in message .. . Copied from a commenter responding to the news that a young woman accidently shot herself dead with her assault rifle... "I wonder how many times she was able to protect herself from the hoards of rapists and other monsters who were breaking into her house to get her before she shot herself in the head with her own assault weapon. That seems to me to be the key information missing from this story. In fact, I think that this a key piece of information that should be included in every damn gun story from now on. How many times did the gun who just killed a family member protect that family from the roving gangs of monsters who are regularly busting into homes and gang raping women and kidnapping babies. How many times did she use this gun for defense against such enemies before she killed herself with it. I'm guessing none!" ---------------------------------- Drinking, inexperience and reckless behavior. Sad, but not the gun's fault. Here's something to read and consider. Set to me by a friend: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument or forcing me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing witha19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a car load of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a[armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I can not be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation… and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act. Living in fear is a choice that he makes. A gun shouldn't be what's required to eliminate that feeling. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 May 2013 16:37:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Here's something to read and consider. Set to me by a friend: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos Living in fear is a choice that he makes. A gun shouldn't be what's required to eliminate that feeling. --------------------------------------------------------- I suppose that's one way to look at it. He could always "wish" the bad guys away. |
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On 5/17/13 5:45 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 May 2013 16:37:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Here's something to read and consider. Set to me by a friend: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos Living in fear is a choice that he makes. A gun shouldn't be what's required to eliminate that feeling. --------------------------------------------------------- I suppose that's one way to look at it. He could always "wish" the bad guys away. Mr. Kloos seems simple-minded to me. "Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument or forcing me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception." People often help each other without resorting to convincing via argument or convincing via force. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 5/17/13 5:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 May 2013 16:37:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Here's something to read and consider. Set to me by a friend: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos Living in fear is a choice that he makes. A gun shouldn't be what's required to eliminate that feeling. --------------------------------------------------------- I suppose that's one way to look at it. He could always "wish" the bad guys away. Mr. Kloos seems simple-minded to me. "Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument or forcing me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception." People often help each other without resorting to convincing via argument or convincing via force. ============================ Often people who think too much lose while thinking. |
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On 5/17/2013 5:07 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2013 16:37:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Copied from a commenter responding to the news that a young woman accidently shot herself dead with her assault rifle... "I wonder how many times she was able to protect herself from the hoards of rapists and other monsters who were breaking into her house to get her before she shot herself in the head with her own assault weapon. That seems to me to be the key information missing from this story. In fact, I think that this a key piece of information that should be included in every damn gun story from now on. How many times did the gun who just killed a family member protect that family from the roving gangs of monsters who are regularly busting into homes and gang raping women and kidnapping babies. How many times did she use this gun for defense against such enemies before she killed herself with it. I'm guessing none!" ---------------------------------- Drinking, inexperience and reckless behavior. Sad, but not the gun's fault. Here's something to read and consider. Set to me by a friend: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument or forcing me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing witha19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a car load of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a[armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I can not be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation… and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act. Living in fear is a choice that he makes. A gun shouldn't be what's required to eliminate that feeling. What does it for you, big boy? Therapy? |
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On 5/17/2013 6:01 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/17/13 5:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 May 2013 16:37:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Here's something to read and consider. Set to me by a friend: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos Living in fear is a choice that he makes. A gun shouldn't be what's required to eliminate that feeling. --------------------------------------------------------- I suppose that's one way to look at it. He could always "wish" the bad guys away. Mr. Kloos seems simple-minded to me. "Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument or forcing me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception." People often help each other without resorting to convincing via argument or convincing via force. Oh goody. Examples please. |
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Copied from a commenter responding to the news that a young woman accidently shot herself dead with her assault rifle... "I wonder how many times she was able to protect herself from the hoards of rapists and other monsters who were breaking into her house to get her before she shot herself in the head with her own assault weapon. That seems to me to be the key information missing from this story. In fact, I think that this a key piece of information that should be included in every damn gun story from now on. How many times did the gun who just killed a family member protect that family from the roving gangs of monsters who are regularly busting into homes and gang raping women and kidnapping babies. How many times did she use this gun for defense against such enemies before she killed herself with it. I'm guessing none!" What's an assault rifle? |
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Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... Copied from a commenter responding to the news that a young woman accidently shot herself dead with her assault rifle... "I wonder how many times she was able to protect herself from the hoards of rapists and other monsters who were breaking into her house to get her before she shot herself in the head with her own assault weapon. That seems to me to be the key information missing from this story. In fact, I think that this a key piece of information that should be included in every damn gun story from now on. How many times did the gun who just killed a family member protect that family from the roving gangs of monsters who are regularly busting into homes and gang raping women and kidnapping babies. How many times did she use this gun for defense against such enemies before she killed herself with it. I'm guessing none!" ---------------------------------- Drinking, inexperience and reckless behavior. Sad, but not the gun's fault. Here's something to read and consider. Set to me by a friend: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument or forcing me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing witha19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a car load of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a[armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I can not be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation… and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act. Perfect! |
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"Boating All Out" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 May 2013 16:37:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Here's something to read and consider. Set to me by a friend: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos ----------------------------------------- That's part of living in fear. Thinking the "bad guys" are going to get you. Much, much better chance you shoot yourself in the balls or go psycho and shoot your wife than you'll ever need a gun to ward off the "bad guys." But hey, no law against living in fear. Good for the gun business too. As far as this gal who killed herself, that's no loss. Now she won't get a chance to spray innocent people with gunfire. Also gives the gun nuts another "gun safety" topic to drone on about. I've got no problem with gun nuts killing themselves, accidentally or not. Too bad they get away with legally selling gun to criminals, wackos and terrorists. The "bad guys." ----------------------------------- I used to think that way. Not so much anymore. |
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On 5/17/2013 10:12 AM, jps wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:02:37 -0700, jps wrote: Copied from a commenter responding to the news that a young woman accidently shot herself dead with her assault rifle... "I wonder how many times she was able to protect herself from the hoards of rapists and other monsters who were breaking into her house to get her before she shot herself in the head with her own assault weapon. That seems to me to be the key information missing from this story. In fact, I think that this a key piece of information that should be included in every damn gun story from now on. How many times did the gun who just killed a family member protect that family from the roving gangs of monsters who are regularly busting into homes and gang raping women and kidnapping babies. How many times did she use this gun for defense against such enemies before she killed herself with it. I'm guessing none!" KMGH-TV described Anastasia Adair as “a new gun enthusiast.” Not anymore, she's not. She needed proper training, here a husband trains his wife. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bFQPECz1x0 Mikek I've seen that and it is no different than any of the "reality" TV shows. It was set up in advance. |
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On 5/17/2013 7:52 PM, Earl wrote:
amdx wrote: On 5/17/2013 10:12 AM, jps wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:02:37 -0700, jps wrote: Copied from a commenter responding to the news that a young woman accidently shot herself dead with her assault rifle... "I wonder how many times she was able to protect herself from the hoards of rapists and other monsters who were breaking into her house to get her before she shot herself in the head with her own assault weapon. That seems to me to be the key information missing from this story. In fact, I think that this a key piece of information that should be included in every damn gun story from now on. How many times did the gun who just killed a family member protect that family from the roving gangs of monsters who are regularly busting into homes and gang raping women and kidnapping babies. How many times did she use this gun for defense against such enemies before she killed herself with it. I'm guessing none!" KMGH-TV described Anastasia Adair as “a new gun enthusiast.” Not anymore, she's not. She needed proper training, here a husband trains his wife. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bFQPECz1x0 Mikek I've seen that and it is no different than any of the "reality" TV shows. It was set up in advance. I kinda thought that also, the way she is looking over the gun with a funny look, and then the fact that the husband was not in any hurry to get outside before she stopped holding the gun. Mikek |
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On 5/17/2013 4:01 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/17/13 4:53 PM, amdx wrote: On 5/17/2013 10:12 AM, jps wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:02:37 -0700, jps wrote: Copied from a commenter responding to the news that a young woman accidently shot herself dead with her assault rifle... "I wonder how many times she was able to protect herself from the hoards of rapists and other monsters who were breaking into her house to get her before she shot herself in the head with her own assault weapon. That seems to me to be the key information missing from this story. In fact, I think that this a key piece of information that should be included in every damn gun story from now on. How many times did the gun who just killed a family member protect that family from the roving gangs of monsters who are regularly busting into homes and gang raping women and kidnapping babies. How many times did she use this gun for defense against such enemies before she killed herself with it. I'm guessing none!" KMGH-TV described Anastasia Adair as “a new gun enthusiast.” Not anymore, she's not. She needed proper training, here a husband trains his wife. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bFQPECz1x0 Mikek Anyone who thinks that is funny is an asshole, too. You are so full of hated, that your words hold no truth. Mikek |
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On 5/17/2013 1:37 PM, Eisboch wrote:
The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos ... I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. If he wasn't afraid he wouldn't carry. I don't. |
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"thumper" wrote in message ... On 5/17/2013 1:37 PM, Eisboch wrote: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos ... I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. If he wasn't afraid he wouldn't carry. I don't. -------------------------------------- Entirely your right not to and entirely his right to do so. |
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On 5/19/13 4:14 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ... On 5/17/2013 1:37 PM, Eisboch wrote: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos ... I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. If he wasn't afraid he wouldn't carry. I don't. -------------------------------------- Entirely your right not to and entirely his right to do so. Whether someone has the right to carry is a legal determination. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/19/13 4:14 AM, Eisboch wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... On 5/17/2013 1:37 PM, Eisboch wrote: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos ... I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. If he wasn't afraid he wouldn't carry. I don't. -------------------------------------- Entirely your right not to and entirely his right to do so. Whether someone has the right to carry is a legal determination. ------------------------------- Ok, ok. I can legally carry a gun. Whether I do so or not is my right to decide. |
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On 5/19/13 7:56 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/19/13 4:14 AM, Eisboch wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... On 5/17/2013 1:37 PM, Eisboch wrote: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos ... I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. If he wasn't afraid he wouldn't carry. I don't. -------------------------------------- Entirely your right not to and entirely his right to do so. Whether someone has the right to carry is a legal determination. ------------------------------- Ok, ok. I can legally carry a gun. Whether I do so or not is my right to decide. Correct. I can legally carry a firearm, too, although I doubt I'll renew my permits. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 5/19/13 7:56 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/19/13 4:14 AM, Eisboch wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... On 5/17/2013 1:37 PM, Eisboch wrote: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos ... I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. If he wasn't afraid he wouldn't carry. I don't. -------------------------------------- Entirely your right not to and entirely his right to do so. Whether someone has the right to carry is a legal determination. ------------------------------- Ok, ok. I can legally carry a gun. Whether I do so or not is my right to decide. Correct. I can legally carry a firearm, too, although I doubt I'll renew my permits. -------------------------------------------- Do you think that will make you and the public safer? |
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On 5/19/2013 7:59 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/19/13 7:56 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/19/13 4:14 AM, Eisboch wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... On 5/17/2013 1:37 PM, Eisboch wrote: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos ... I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. If he wasn't afraid he wouldn't carry. I don't. -------------------------------------- Entirely your right not to and entirely his right to do so. Whether someone has the right to carry is a legal determination. ------------------------------- Ok, ok. I can legally carry a gun. Whether I do so or not is my right to decide. Correct. I can legally carry a firearm, too, although I doubt I'll renew my permits. WOW! Now that's breaking news. Elaborate on why you felt you needed them, and now you don't. |
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On 5/19/13 8:08 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 5/19/13 7:56 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/19/13 4:14 AM, Eisboch wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... On 5/17/2013 1:37 PM, Eisboch wrote: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos ... I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. If he wasn't afraid he wouldn't carry. I don't. -------------------------------------- Entirely your right not to and entirely his right to do so. Whether someone has the right to carry is a legal determination. ------------------------------- Ok, ok. I can legally carry a gun. Whether I do so or not is my right to decide. Correct. I can legally carry a firearm, too, although I doubt I'll renew my permits. -------------------------------------------- Do you think that will make you and the public safer? I don't believe it matters, one way or the other. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/19/13 8:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 5/19/13 7:56 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/19/13 4:14 AM, Eisboch wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... On 5/17/2013 1:37 PM, Eisboch wrote: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos ... I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. If he wasn't afraid he wouldn't carry. I don't. -------------------------------------- Entirely your right not to and entirely his right to do so. Whether someone has the right to carry is a legal determination. ------------------------------- Ok, ok. I can legally carry a gun. Whether I do so or not is my right to decide. Correct. I can legally carry a firearm, too, although I doubt I'll renew my permits. -------------------------------------------- Do you think that will make you and the public safer? I don't believe it matters, one way or the other. ---------------------------------- Clever answer. :-) You knew where I was going with this. |
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On 5/19/13 8:26 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/19/13 8:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 5/19/13 7:56 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/19/13 4:14 AM, Eisboch wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... On 5/17/2013 1:37 PM, Eisboch wrote: The Gun Is Civilization Written March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos ... I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. If he wasn't afraid he wouldn't carry. I don't. -------------------------------------- Entirely your right not to and entirely his right to do so. Whether someone has the right to carry is a legal determination. ------------------------------- Ok, ok. I can legally carry a gun. Whether I do so or not is my right to decide. Correct. I can legally carry a firearm, too, although I doubt I'll renew my permits. -------------------------------------------- Do you think that will make you and the public safer? I don't believe it matters, one way or the other. ---------------------------------- Clever answer. :-) You knew where I was going with this. :) |
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