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F.O.A.D. May 15th 13 12:59 PM

Wayne's World...
 

Morally Bankrupt ‘One Percenters’ Exploit Handicapped
To Skip Disney’s Long Lines

Just when you thought the ‘one percent’ couldn’t get any more detached
from the real world, a story in today’s New York Post shows just how
spoiled they really are.

While doing research for an upcoming book, anthropologist Dr. Wednesday
Martin found out about a despicable scheme that some fiscally rich but
morally bankrupt parents have been using in order to give the lines at
Disney World the slip. Paying around $1,000 a day, these parents have
been hiring a handicapped tour guide to exploit the rules of the theme
park by using her scooter and handicapped pass to bypass lines.

As per park policy, the handicapped may use a different entrance to the
attractions, bringing up to six guests with them. The lines at the theme
park can be hours long, but one wealthy mother bragged about waiting
only one minute to get on a ride. The mom goes on to say, “This is how
the 1 percent does Disney.”

Among these rich Manhattan parents, the information has been kept very
close to the chest. “It’s insider knowledge that very few have and share
carefully,” said Dr. Martin. Because of the aura of exclusivity, those
who use their handicapped tour guide don’t feel like they are doing
anything wrong. Instead, they feel “privileged.” One can only imagine
them using their “black-market” tour guide with a smug look on their
faces, but that is, hopefully, no more.

Now the scheme has been uncovered, and it has been revealed that the
handicapped tour guide is allegedly a woman working for the company
Dream Tours Florida. Of course, their website makes no public mention of
their ‘handicapped tour guide for hire.’ But all this begs the question:
at $1,000 a day, who’s exploiting who? Let’s just say that Dream Tours
Florida should have charged more before being discovered. After all,
they were selling themselves cheaper than Disney’s own VIP tour guides,
which come with a Fast Pass that doesn’t let you skip the line
altogether and still costs about three times more.

http://tinyurl.com/azvyhzx

Hank©[_2_] May 15th 13 02:21 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/15/2013 7:59 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Morally Bankrupt ‘One Percenters’ Exploit Handicapped
To Skip Disney’s Long Lines

Just when you thought the ‘one percent’ couldn’t get any more detached
from the real world, a story in today’s New York Post shows just how
spoiled they really are.

While doing research for an upcoming book, anthropologist Dr. Wednesday
Martin found out about a despicable scheme that some fiscally rich but
morally bankrupt parents have been using in order to give the lines at
Disney World the slip. Paying around $1,000 a day, these parents have
been hiring a handicapped tour guide to exploit the rules of the theme
park by using her scooter and handicapped pass to bypass lines.

As per park policy, the handicapped may use a different entrance to the
attractions, bringing up to six guests with them. The lines at the theme
park can be hours long, but one wealthy mother bragged about waiting
only one minute to get on a ride. The mom goes on to say, “This is how
the 1 percent does Disney.”

Among these rich Manhattan parents, the information has been kept very
close to the chest. “It’s insider knowledge that very few have and share
carefully,” said Dr. Martin. Because of the aura of exclusivity, those
who use their handicapped tour guide don’t feel like they are doing
anything wrong. Instead, they feel “privileged.” One can only imagine
them using their “black-market” tour guide with a smug look on their
faces, but that is, hopefully, no more.

Now the scheme has been uncovered, and it has been revealed that the
handicapped tour guide is allegedly a woman working for the company
Dream Tours Florida. Of course, their website makes no public mention of
their ‘handicapped tour guide for hire.’ But all this begs the question:
at $1,000 a day, who’s exploiting who? Let’s just say that Dream Tours
Florida should have charged more before being discovered. After all,
they were selling themselves cheaper than Disney’s own VIP tour guides,
which come with a Fast Pass that doesn’t let you skip the line
altogether and still costs about three times more.

http://tinyurl.com/azvyhzx


Don't you wish you had thought up the scheme? A minor example of
exploiting the rich. Right up your alley.

*e#c May 15th 13 03:39 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On May 15, 7:59*am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
Morally Bankrupt ‘One Percenters’ Exploit Handicapped
To Skip Disney’s Long Lines

Just when you thought the ‘one percent’ couldn’t get any more detached
from the real world, a story in today’s New York Post shows just how
spoiled they really are.

While doing research for an upcoming book, anthropologist Dr. Wednesday
Martin found out about a despicable scheme that some fiscally rich but
morally bankrupt parents have been using in order to give the lines at
Disney World the slip. Paying around $1,000 a day, these parents have
been hiring a handicapped tour guide to exploit the rules of the theme
park by using her scooter and handicapped pass to bypass lines.

As per park policy, the handicapped may use a different entrance to the
attractions, bringing up to six guests with them. The lines at the theme
park can be hours long, but one wealthy mother bragged about waiting
only one minute to get on a ride. The mom goes on to say, “This is how
the 1 percent does Disney.”

Among these rich Manhattan parents, the information has been kept very
close to the chest. “It’s insider knowledge that very few have and share
carefully,” said Dr. Martin. Because of the aura of exclusivity, those
who use their handicapped tour guide don’t feel like they are doing
anything wrong. Instead, they feel “privileged.” One can only imagine
them using their “black-market” tour guide with a smug look on their
faces, but that is, hopefully, no more.

Now the scheme has been uncovered, and it has been revealed that the
handicapped tour guide is allegedly a woman working for the company
Dream Tours Florida. Of course, their website makes no public mention of
their ‘handicapped tour guide for hire.’ But all this begs the question:
at $1,000 a day, who’s exploiting who? Let’s just say that Dream Tours
Florida should have charged more before being discovered. After all,
they were selling themselves cheaper than Disney’s own VIP tour guides,
which come with a Fast Pass that doesn’t let you skip the line
altogether and still costs about three times more.

http://tinyurl.com/azvyhzx


More clip n paste ****.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 15th 13 06:11 PM

Wayne's World...
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:59:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

After all,
they were selling themselves cheaper than Disney?s own VIP tour guides,
which come with a Fast Pass that doesn?t let you skip the line
altogether and still costs about three times more.


The last time I was at Disney (last fall) the fast pass was free. You
just get a pass at each ride and come back at the appointed time. Then
you get right on. If you stack those passes, it is hard to walk
between the rides fast enough to make all of them and you are riding
all day.

The "handicapped" situation is so loose, I can't imagine why anyone
would pay. You just have to say you are handicapped and they will
give/rent you a scooter. Then you can jump the line.
Most of the "handicapped" people I saw looked like their biggest
handicap was the inability to stop feeding their face.


I detest Disney World.

F.O.A.D. May 15th 13 07:17 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/15/13 1:11 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:59:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

After all,
they were selling themselves cheaper than Disney?s own VIP tour guides,
which come with a Fast Pass that doesn?t let you skip the line
altogether and still costs about three times more.


The last time I was at Disney (last fall) the fast pass was free. You
just get a pass at each ride and come back at the appointed time. Then
you get right on. If you stack those passes, it is hard to walk
between the rides fast enough to make all of them and you are riding
all day.

The "handicapped" situation is so loose, I can't imagine why anyone
would pay. You just have to say you are handicapped and they will
give/rent you a scooter. Then you can jump the line.
Most of the "handicapped" people I saw looked like their biggest
handicap was the inability to stop feeding their face.


I detest Disney World.

Took my kids there at least four times, and once to Disneyland. In the
spring or fall, it's a fun place to be. In the summer, it's a place to
be avoided because of the heat, humidity, and crowds. Went there about
three years ago for a few days, one day in Disney World, one day in the
Animal Park, which we enjoyed more. It was around Thanksgiving, and the
crowds weren't bad.

First time we went, back in the mid 1970s, the Orlando airport was
nothing much.

F.O.A.D. May 15th 13 07:31 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/15/13 2:25 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 14:17:47 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/15/13 1:11 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:59:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

After all,
they were selling themselves cheaper than Disney?s own VIP tour guides,
which come with a Fast Pass that doesn?t let you skip the line
altogether and still costs about three times more.

The last time I was at Disney (last fall) the fast pass was free. You
just get a pass at each ride and come back at the appointed time. Then
you get right on. If you stack those passes, it is hard to walk
between the rides fast enough to make all of them and you are riding
all day.

The "handicapped" situation is so loose, I can't imagine why anyone
would pay. You just have to say you are handicapped and they will
give/rent you a scooter. Then you can jump the line.
Most of the "handicapped" people I saw looked like their biggest
handicap was the inability to stop feeding their face.

I detest Disney World.

Took my kids there at least four times, and once to Disneyland. In the
spring or fall, it's a fun place to be. In the summer, it's a place to
be avoided because of the heat, humidity, and crowds. Went there about
three years ago for a few days, one day in Disney World, one day in the
Animal Park, which we enjoyed more. It was around Thanksgiving, and the
crowds weren't bad.


Busch Gardens in Tampa is a lot better than anything in Orlando with a
lot less traffic.
The animals there don't look as "caged" as they are at Disney.



I like Tampa and St. Pete. Wife's grandmother lived there for decades,
and when we visited, I loved picking fresh citrus fruit off her trees. I
liked the beaches, too.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 15th 13 07:36 PM

Wayne's World...
 
In article , says...

On 5/15/13 1:11 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:59:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

After all,
they were selling themselves cheaper than Disney?s own VIP tour guides,
which come with a Fast Pass that doesn?t let you skip the line
altogether and still costs about three times more.

The last time I was at Disney (last fall) the fast pass was free. You
just get a pass at each ride and come back at the appointed time. Then
you get right on. If you stack those passes, it is hard to walk
between the rides fast enough to make all of them and you are riding
all day.

The "handicapped" situation is so loose, I can't imagine why anyone
would pay. You just have to say you are handicapped and they will
give/rent you a scooter. Then you can jump the line.
Most of the "handicapped" people I saw looked like their biggest
handicap was the inability to stop feeding their face.


I detest Disney World.

Took my kids there at least four times, and once to Disneyland. In the
spring or fall, it's a fun place to be. In the summer, it's a place to
be avoided because of the heat, humidity, and crowds. Went there about
three years ago for a few days, one day in Disney World, one day in the
Animal Park, which we enjoyed more. It was around Thanksgiving, and the
crowds weren't bad.

First time we went, back in the mid 1970s, the Orlando airport was
nothing much.


I have no problems at all with tropical heat and humidity. It's the
damned crowds. I've been there many many times, and I've NEVER seen it
when it was other than paying a LOT of money to go stand in lines. I'm
betting that the ratio of standing in line to actually riding a ride is
10:1 or so. I lived in Kissimmee when Disney opened in '71, it was a cow
town. Actual cowboys even. Disney ruined the area.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 15th 13 07:37 PM

Wayne's World...
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 May 2013 13:11:26 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:59:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

After all,
they were selling themselves cheaper than Disney?s own VIP tour guides,
which come with a Fast Pass that doesn?t let you skip the line
altogether and still costs about three times more.

The last time I was at Disney (last fall) the fast pass was free. You
just get a pass at each ride and come back at the appointed time. Then
you get right on. If you stack those passes, it is hard to walk
between the rides fast enough to make all of them and you are riding
all day.

The "handicapped" situation is so loose, I can't imagine why anyone
would pay. You just have to say you are handicapped and they will
give/rent you a scooter. Then you can jump the line.
Most of the "handicapped" people I saw looked like their biggest
handicap was the inability to stop feeding their face.


I detest Disney World.


You could add all of Orlando for me.

We just got back from a long weekend in Cocoa Beach and the (Orlando)
TV news is unwatchable. It was all crime news. What a **** hole.
Compared to Orlando, the Tampa Bay area is a paradise and neither
compare to SW Florida.
We have some fraud and snatch and grab crime but nothing like the
rapes and murders I saw reported in Orlando.
Those parks are pretty oppressive too. Pay a lot of money to stand in
line.


Yeah, I've heard Whorelando is real bad these days. In the early '70's
the area was nice, Kissimmee was a cow town.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 15th 13 07:39 PM

Wayne's World...
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 May 2013 14:17:47 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/15/13 1:11 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:59:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

After all,
they were selling themselves cheaper than Disney?s own VIP tour guides,
which come with a Fast Pass that doesn?t let you skip the line
altogether and still costs about three times more.

The last time I was at Disney (last fall) the fast pass was free. You
just get a pass at each ride and come back at the appointed time. Then
you get right on. If you stack those passes, it is hard to walk
between the rides fast enough to make all of them and you are riding
all day.

The "handicapped" situation is so loose, I can't imagine why anyone
would pay. You just have to say you are handicapped and they will
give/rent you a scooter. Then you can jump the line.
Most of the "handicapped" people I saw looked like their biggest
handicap was the inability to stop feeding their face.

I detest Disney World.

Took my kids there at least four times, and once to Disneyland. In the
spring or fall, it's a fun place to be. In the summer, it's a place to
be avoided because of the heat, humidity, and crowds. Went there about
three years ago for a few days, one day in Disney World, one day in the
Animal Park, which we enjoyed more. It was around Thanksgiving, and the
crowds weren't bad.


Busch Gardens in Tampa is a lot better than anything in Orlando with a
lot less traffic.
The animals there don't look as "caged" as they are at Disney.


Now, I remember going to Busch Gardens for $1.00 a carload in the late
'60's with my parents. There was no amusement park, but was a lot of fun
riding the tram around, and I'll agree it's a lot nicer than Disney.


F.O.A.D. May 15th 13 07:44 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/15/13 2:36 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 5/15/13 1:11 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:59:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

After all,
they were selling themselves cheaper than Disney?s own VIP tour guides,
which come with a Fast Pass that doesn?t let you skip the line
altogether and still costs about three times more.

The last time I was at Disney (last fall) the fast pass was free. You
just get a pass at each ride and come back at the appointed time. Then
you get right on. If you stack those passes, it is hard to walk
between the rides fast enough to make all of them and you are riding
all day.

The "handicapped" situation is so loose, I can't imagine why anyone
would pay. You just have to say you are handicapped and they will
give/rent you a scooter. Then you can jump the line.
Most of the "handicapped" people I saw looked like their biggest
handicap was the inability to stop feeding their face.

I detest Disney World.

Took my kids there at least four times, and once to Disneyland. In the
spring or fall, it's a fun place to be. In the summer, it's a place to
be avoided because of the heat, humidity, and crowds. Went there about
three years ago for a few days, one day in Disney World, one day in the
Animal Park, which we enjoyed more. It was around Thanksgiving, and the
crowds weren't bad.

First time we went, back in the mid 1970s, the Orlando airport was
nothing much.


I have no problems at all with tropical heat and humidity. It's the
damned crowds. I've been there many many times, and I've NEVER seen it
when it was other than paying a LOT of money to go stand in lines. I'm
betting that the ratio of standing in line to actually riding a ride is
10:1 or so. I lived in Kissimmee when Disney opened in '71, it was a cow
town. Actual cowboys even. Disney ruined the area.


We were in Kissimmee once, in the mid-1990s. Never went back.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 15th 13 08:07 PM

Wayne's World...
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 May 2013 14:31:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/15/13 2:25 PM,
wrote:

Busch Gardens in Tampa is a lot better than anything in Orlando with a
lot less traffic.
The animals there don't look as "caged" as they are at Disney.



I like Tampa and St. Pete. Wife's grandmother lived there for decades,
and when we visited, I loved picking fresh citrus fruit off her trees. I
liked the beaches, too.


I had family in St Pete for most of my life, I spent every summer
there from about the 4th grade until I graduated High school and I
owned a condo in Treasure Island for a quarter century.
I did watch Tampa Bay change from a sleepy little retirement community
to a megopolis. now Pinellas county is one of the most densely
populated counties in the US and the most densely populated county in
Florida.


I remember Pinellas county being nothing once you left St. Pete. You
could go just about anywhere on the coast and find nice marshes to go
blue crabbing and get an ice chest full in no time. Tarpon Springs was a
treasure at the time!

True North[_2_] May 15th 13 08:10 PM

Wayne's World...
 
My memory of Kissimmee was the endless shops selling t-shirts...around $12.00 for 10.
Seems to me there was a place where you could go see alligators for a fee.
This would have been the early 90s.
My most vivid memory of that trip was loosing our 12 year old son at Disney and then losing our 10 years old son at Epcot Center.
Yes, found both....the youngest after searching for hours.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 15th 13 08:19 PM

Wayne's World...
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 May 2013 14:39:07 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...


Busch Gardens in Tampa is a lot better than anything in Orlando with a
lot less traffic.
The animals there don't look as "caged" as they are at Disney.


Now, I remember going to Busch Gardens for $1.00 a carload in the late
'60's with my parents. There was no amusement park, but was a lot of fun
riding the tram around, and I'll agree it's a lot nicer than Disney.


Busch gardens is an African motif these days with lots of African
wildlife running around in fairly open areas.


Yes, but the amusement park part of it doesn't get near the people that
Disney does, thankfully.

F.O.A.D. May 15th 13 09:03 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/15/13 3:10 PM, True North wrote:
My memory of Kissimmee was the endless shops selling t-shirts...around $12.00 for 10.
Seems to me there was a place where you could go see alligators for a fee.
This would have been the early 90s.
My most vivid memory of that trip was loosing our 12 year old son at Disney and then losing our 10 years old son at Epcot Center.
Yes, found both....the youngest after searching for hours.



I remember the Tee-Shirts of Kissimmee, too. There's not much else about
the town I recall, other than the same "See the Gators" exhibit. We were
there in the mid 1990's; wife was taking a two or three day state exam
in one of several large classrooms in a building owned by the Tupperware
company. Widely used facility...the CPA exam was being given there at
the same.

The Orlando area is pretty congested.

True North[_2_] May 15th 13 09:21 PM

Wayne's World...
 
One other memory....to get a free breakfast for the family, and out of curiosity, we took one of the tours selling time sharing.
We were warned by friends that it can be a hard sell tour and they were correct.
I wouldn't do that again...and yes, I resisted buying a week in a new condo development just so we could spend vacation time in Orlando each year.

F.O.A.D. May 15th 13 09:27 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/15/13 4:21 PM, True North wrote:
One other memory....to get a free breakfast for the family, and out of curiosity, we took one of the tours selling time sharing.
We were warned by friends that it can be a hard sell tour and they were correct.
I wouldn't do that again...and yes, I resisted buying a week in a new condo development just so we could spend vacation time in Orlando each year.


Been on one of those in Virginia Beach. We were told it would take an
hour and in return we would get pretty good dinners at three very good
local restaurants. It was raining that morning, so it wasn't a beach
day. Sales pitch took two hours, we said no, but we did get three good
dinners for two at two of our favorite restaurants and one we'd never
previously visited.

A time share, to me, is a horrifically stupid purchase. The owner of the
time share gets to sell the damned thing 52 times. We did stay at a
Disney time share a few years ago, though, and the place was first class.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 15th 13 10:05 PM

Wayne's World...
 
In article ,
says...

On 5/15/13 3:10 PM, True North wrote:
My memory of Kissimmee was the endless shops selling t-shirts...around $12.00 for 10.
Seems to me there was a place where you could go see alligators for a fee.
This would have been the early 90s.
My most vivid memory of that trip was loosing our 12 year old son at Disney and then losing our 10 years old son at Epcot Center.
Yes, found both....the youngest after searching for hours.



I remember the Tee-Shirts of Kissimmee, too. There's not much else about
the town I recall, other than the same "See the Gators" exhibit. We were
there in the mid 1990's; wife was taking a two or three day state exam
in one of several large classrooms in a building owned by the Tupperware
company. Widely used facility...the CPA exam was being given there at
the same.

The Orlando area is pretty congested.


Orlando is now, it didn't used to be bad at all. There's some cool
things to see and do in Kissimmee, but not for those who do the tourist
thing and don't want an adventure.

F.O.A.D. May 15th 13 10:08 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/15/13 5:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/15/13 3:10 PM, True North wrote:
My memory of Kissimmee was the endless shops selling t-shirts...around $12.00 for 10.
Seems to me there was a place where you could go see alligators for a fee.
This would have been the early 90s.
My most vivid memory of that trip was loosing our 12 year old son at Disney and then losing our 10 years old son at Epcot Center.
Yes, found both....the youngest after searching for hours.



I remember the Tee-Shirts of Kissimmee, too. There's not much else about
the town I recall, other than the same "See the Gators" exhibit. We were
there in the mid 1990's; wife was taking a two or three day state exam
in one of several large classrooms in a building owned by the Tupperware
company. Widely used facility...the CPA exam was being given there at
the same.

The Orlando area is pretty congested.


Orlando is now, it didn't used to be bad at all. There's some cool
things to see and do in Kissimmee, but not for those who do the tourist
thing and don't want an adventure.



Staying two nights in Kissimmee seemed adventure enough. If there is a
compelling reason to revisit, what is it?

Wayne B May 16th 13 02:07 AM

Wayne's World...
 
On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:59:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Morally Bankrupt ‘One Percenters’ Exploit Handicapped
To Skip Disney’s Long Lines


===

Nice try Harry but I'm not a "One Percenter" and I've never been to
Disney World.

F.O.A.D. May 16th 13 02:10 AM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/15/13 9:07 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:59:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Morally Bankrupt ‘One Percenters’ Exploit Handicapped
To Skip Disney’s Long Lines


===

Nice try Harry but I'm not a "One Percenter" and I've never been to
Disney World.



Whoosh.

Hank©[_2_] May 16th 13 10:36 AM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/16/2013 5:28 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:27:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/15/13 4:21 PM, True North wrote:
One other memory....to get a free breakfast for the family, and out of curiosity, we took one of the tours selling time sharing.
We were warned by friends that it can be a hard sell tour and they were correct.
I wouldn't do that again...and yes, I resisted buying a week in a new condo development just so we could spend vacation time in Orlando each year.


Been on one of those in Virginia Beach. We were told it would take an
hour and in return we would get pretty good dinners at three very good
local restaurants. It was raining that morning, so it wasn't a beach
day. Sales pitch took two hours, we said no, but we did get three good
dinners for two at two of our favorite restaurants and one we'd never
previously visited.

A time share, to me, is a horrifically stupid purchase. The owner of the
time share gets to sell the damned thing 52 times. We did stay at a
Disney time share a few years ago, though, and the place was first class.


My brother in law showed me how to get out of those time share sales
pitches in a few minutes. He has the uncanny ability to do fairly
complex math in his head and he simply runs the numbers on the actual
cost of ownership verses the cost of a real nice hotel and talks loud
enough to distract the other sales pitches in that bullpen.

I take a calculator but the principle is the same. We usually are told
"well I see you are not interested" and they send us on our way.
I seem to be on a black list tho. They don't call me anymore but it
might just be that the time share business is going away..


Harry is the only one I know of who walked away from a time share
presentation, a winner.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 16th 13 01:45 PM

Wayne's World...
 
In article ,
says...

On 5/15/13 5:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/15/13 3:10 PM, True North wrote:
My memory of Kissimmee was the endless shops selling t-shirts...around $12.00 for 10.
Seems to me there was a place where you could go see alligators for a fee.
This would have been the early 90s.
My most vivid memory of that trip was loosing our 12 year old son at Disney and then losing our 10 years old son at Epcot Center.
Yes, found both....the youngest after searching for hours.



I remember the Tee-Shirts of Kissimmee, too. There's not much else about
the town I recall, other than the same "See the Gators" exhibit. We were
there in the mid 1990's; wife was taking a two or three day state exam
in one of several large classrooms in a building owned by the Tupperware
company. Widely used facility...the CPA exam was being given there at
the same.

The Orlando area is pretty congested.


Orlando is now, it didn't used to be bad at all. There's some cool
things to see and do in Kissimmee, but not for those who do the tourist
thing and don't want an adventure.



Staying two nights in Kissimmee seemed adventure enough. If there is a
compelling reason to revisit, what is it?


Yes, but I know you aren't the adventurous type and don't like the
outdoors, so no, not for you.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 16th 13 01:46 PM

Wayne's World...
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 May 2013 17:08:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/15/13 5:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

Orlando is now, it didn't used to be bad at all. There's some cool
things to see and do in Kissimmee, but not for those who do the tourist
thing and don't want an adventure.



Staying two nights in Kissimmee seemed adventure enough. If there is a
compelling reason to revisit, what is it?


Bass fishing


Some of the best in the U.S. at that! There's lots to do but Harry
doesn't like being outdoors, so really for him there isn't a lot to do
there.

F.O.A.D. May 16th 13 03:18 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/16/13 8:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/15/13 5:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/15/13 3:10 PM, True North wrote:
My memory of Kissimmee was the endless shops selling t-shirts...around $12.00 for 10.
Seems to me there was a place where you could go see alligators for a fee.
This would have been the early 90s.
My most vivid memory of that trip was loosing our 12 year old son at Disney and then losing our 10 years old son at Epcot Center.
Yes, found both....the youngest after searching for hours.



I remember the Tee-Shirts of Kissimmee, too. There's not much else about
the town I recall, other than the same "See the Gators" exhibit. We were
there in the mid 1990's; wife was taking a two or three day state exam
in one of several large classrooms in a building owned by the Tupperware
company. Widely used facility...the CPA exam was being given there at
the same.

The Orlando area is pretty congested.

Orlando is now, it didn't used to be bad at all. There's some cool
things to see and do in Kissimmee, but not for those who do the tourist
thing and don't want an adventure.



Staying two nights in Kissimmee seemed adventure enough. If there is a
compelling reason to revisit, what is it?


Yes, but I know you aren't the adventurous type and don't like the
outdoors, so no, not for you.


You're wrong on both counts. What could I do in Kissimmee that I
couldn't do in a million other places? Wrestle alligators?

F.O.A.D. May 16th 13 03:25 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/16/13 10:16 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 05:36:21 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 5/16/2013 5:28 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:27:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/15/13 4:21 PM, True North wrote:
One other memory....to get a free breakfast for the family, and out of curiosity, we took one of the tours selling time sharing.
We were warned by friends that it can be a hard sell tour and they were correct.
I wouldn't do that again...and yes, I resisted buying a week in a new condo development just so we could spend vacation time in Orlando each year.


Been on one of those in Virginia Beach. We were told it would take an
hour and in return we would get pretty good dinners at three very good
local restaurants. It was raining that morning, so it wasn't a beach
day. Sales pitch took two hours, we said no, but we did get three good
dinners for two at two of our favorite restaurants and one we'd never
previously visited.

A time share, to me, is a horrifically stupid purchase. The owner of the
time share gets to sell the damned thing 52 times. We did stay at a
Disney time share a few years ago, though, and the place was first class.

My brother in law showed me how to get out of those time share sales
pitches in a few minutes. He has the uncanny ability to do fairly
complex math in his head and he simply runs the numbers on the actual
cost of ownership verses the cost of a real nice hotel and talks loud
enough to distract the other sales pitches in that bullpen.

I take a calculator but the principle is the same. We usually are told
"well I see you are not interested" and they send us on our way.
I seem to be on a black list tho. They don't call me anymore but it
might just be that the time share business is going away..


Harry is the only one I know of who walked away from a time share
presentation, a winner.


We always got the free room and whatever vouchers they offered.
Florida passed a law in the 70s that says you don't really have to
listen to the whole pitch to get the gifts.



FlaJim didn't take the "How do deal with the real world when you are
mustered out of the navy" course.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 16th 13 04:04 PM

Wayne's World...
 
In article ,
says...

On 5/16/13 8:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/15/13 5:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/15/13 3:10 PM, True North wrote:
My memory of Kissimmee was the endless shops selling t-shirts...around $12.00 for 10.
Seems to me there was a place where you could go see alligators for a fee.
This would have been the early 90s.
My most vivid memory of that trip was loosing our 12 year old son at Disney and then losing our 10 years old son at Epcot Center.
Yes, found both....the youngest after searching for hours.



I remember the Tee-Shirts of Kissimmee, too. There's not much else about
the town I recall, other than the same "See the Gators" exhibit. We were
there in the mid 1990's; wife was taking a two or three day state exam
in one of several large classrooms in a building owned by the Tupperware
company. Widely used facility...the CPA exam was being given there at
the same.

The Orlando area is pretty congested.

Orlando is now, it didn't used to be bad at all. There's some cool
things to see and do in Kissimmee, but not for those who do the tourist
thing and don't want an adventure.



Staying two nights in Kissimmee seemed adventure enough. If there is a
compelling reason to revisit, what is it?


Yes, but I know you aren't the adventurous type and don't like the
outdoors, so no, not for you.


You're wrong on both counts. What could I do in Kissimmee that I
couldn't do in a million other places? Wrestle alligators?


Harry, I said that I fully understood that you don't like adventure or
the outdoors. You've made it very clear in the past that you want to fly
somewhere so that you don't have to see the countryside, and you want to
go to a hotel and stay there. There's Bok Tower, a very nice place to
visit, some very nice lakes and swamps for photography, Old Town, the
Colonial Estate, the Warbird Museum. I like going to East Lake fish
camp, but then again, it isn't a five star hotel so you wouldn't.

F.O.A.D. May 16th 13 04:14 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/16/13 11:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/16/13 8:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/15/13 5:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/15/13 3:10 PM, True North wrote:
My memory of Kissimmee was the endless shops selling t-shirts...around $12.00 for 10.
Seems to me there was a place where you could go see alligators for a fee.
This would have been the early 90s.
My most vivid memory of that trip was loosing our 12 year old son at Disney and then losing our 10 years old son at Epcot Center.
Yes, found both....the youngest after searching for hours.



I remember the Tee-Shirts of Kissimmee, too. There's not much else about
the town I recall, other than the same "See the Gators" exhibit. We were
there in the mid 1990's; wife was taking a two or three day state exam
in one of several large classrooms in a building owned by the Tupperware
company. Widely used facility...the CPA exam was being given there at
the same.

The Orlando area is pretty congested.

Orlando is now, it didn't used to be bad at all. There's some cool
things to see and do in Kissimmee, but not for those who do the tourist
thing and don't want an adventure.



Staying two nights in Kissimmee seemed adventure enough. If there is a
compelling reason to revisit, what is it?

Yes, but I know you aren't the adventurous type and don't like the
outdoors, so no, not for you.


You're wrong on both counts. What could I do in Kissimmee that I
couldn't do in a million other places? Wrestle alligators?


Harry, I said that I fully understood that you don't like adventure or
the outdoors. You've made it very clear in the past that you want to fly
somewhere so that you don't have to see the countryside, and you want to
go to a hotel and stay there. There's Bok Tower, a very nice place to
visit, some very nice lakes and swamps for photography, Old Town, the
Colonial Estate, the Warbird Museum. I like going to East Lake fish
camp, but then again, it isn't a five star hotel so you wouldn't.


I've stayed at fish camps to fish.

F.O.A.D. May 16th 13 04:44 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/16/13 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 11:14:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/16/13 11:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote:


I've stayed at fish camps to fish.


If you like Bass fishing, it is hard to beat central Florida.
That is where people get the fish that they cheat with everywhere else
;-)


I've fished for bass many times in central Florida.

Hank©[_2_] May 16th 13 05:19 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/16/2013 10:18 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/16/13 8:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/15/13 5:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/15/13 3:10 PM, True North wrote:
My memory of Kissimmee was the endless shops selling
t-shirts...around $12.00 for 10.
Seems to me there was a place where you could go see alligators
for a fee.
This would have been the early 90s.
My most vivid memory of that trip was loosing our 12 year old son
at Disney and then losing our 10 years old son at Epcot Center.
Yes, found both....the youngest after searching for hours.



I remember the Tee-Shirts of Kissimmee, too. There's not much else
about
the town I recall, other than the same "See the Gators" exhibit. We
were
there in the mid 1990's; wife was taking a two or three day state exam
in one of several large classrooms in a building owned by the
Tupperware
company. Widely used facility...the CPA exam was being given there at
the same.

The Orlando area is pretty congested.

Orlando is now, it didn't used to be bad at all. There's some cool
things to see and do in Kissimmee, but not for those who do the tourist
thing and don't want an adventure.



Staying two nights in Kissimmee seemed adventure enough. If there is a
compelling reason to revisit, what is it?


Yes, but I know you aren't the adventurous type and don't like the
outdoors, so no, not for you.


You're wrong on both counts. What could I do in Kissimmee that I
couldn't do in a million other places? Wrestle alligators?


Have you ever tried it? It might be fun.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 16th 13 05:20 PM

Wayne's World...
 
In article ,
says...

On 5/16/13 11:24 AM,
wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 11:14:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/16/13 11:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote:


I've stayed at fish camps to fish.


If you like Bass fishing, it is hard to beat central Florida.
That is where people get the fish that they cheat with everywhere else
;-)


I've fished for bass many times in central Florida.


This fish camp is the real deal, it's not a resort. You wouldn't like
it.

F.O.A.D. May 16th 13 05:45 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/16/13 12:20 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/16/13 11:24 AM,
wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 11:14:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/16/13 11:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

I've stayed at fish camps to fish.

If you like Bass fishing, it is hard to beat central Florida.
That is where people get the fish that they cheat with everywhere else
;-)


I've fished for bass many times in central Florida.


This fish camp is the real deal, it's not a resort. You wouldn't like
it.



Gee, I had no idea you were the arbiter of what is or what is not a fish
camp.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 16th 13 07:00 PM

Wayne's World...
 
In article ,
says...

On 5/16/13 12:20 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/16/13 11:24 AM,
wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 11:14:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/16/13 11:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

I've stayed at fish camps to fish.

If you like Bass fishing, it is hard to beat central Florida.
That is where people get the fish that they cheat with everywhere else
;-)


I've fished for bass many times in central Florida.


This fish camp is the real deal, it's not a resort. You wouldn't like
it.



Gee, I had no idea you were the arbiter of what is or what is not a fish
camp.


The resort types are just like canned hunts. I detest that.

F.O.A.D. May 16th 13 07:08 PM

Wayne's World...
 
On 5/16/13 2:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/16/13 12:20 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 5/16/13 11:24 AM,
wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 11:14:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/16/13 11:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

I've stayed at fish camps to fish.

If you like Bass fishing, it is hard to beat central Florida.
That is where people get the fish that they cheat with everywhere else
;-)


I've fished for bass many times in central Florida.

This fish camp is the real deal, it's not a resort. You wouldn't like
it.



Gee, I had no idea you were the arbiter of what is or what is not a fish
camp.


The resort types are just like canned hunts. I detest that.



Never stayed at a "resort" fish camp, and don't know of any. The few I
have stayed at had small cabins, or places for pickup trucks with
slide-in campers, a launch ramp, a bait and tackle shack, and a place to
clean your fish, and sometimes a rustic restaurant.


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