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In Afghanistan, religious extremists commit murder with their own hands. In Merika, religious idiots have others handle their sins. "The frontman for the Christian heavy metal band As I Lay Dying was arrested on Tuesday for allegedly trying to hire a detective posing as a hitman to kill his estranged wife. According to the Los Angeles Times, 32-year-old Tim Lambesis was arrested in Oceanside, California and charged with one count of of solicitation to commit murder and two counts of conspiracy to commit a crime. His arraignment is scheduled for Thursday. KFMB-TV reported on Tuesday that Lambesis’ wife, Meggan, filed for divorce in September 2012. San Diego County Sheriffs officials said they received a tip on May 2 as to Lambesis’ alleged intentions and set up a meeting between the detective and the singer. “When you put something out there like this, you don’t know who you’re talking to,” said Sheriffs Department spokesperson Jan Caldwell. “And when you do something this evil and this sinister, you might be talking to a deputy sheriff.” Lambesis’ band had recently returned from a tour of Asia, and was scheduled to embark on another tour on May 30. It was nominated for a Grammy award for Best Metal Performance in 2007." |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... I don't recall the righties complaining when the Bush Admin killed tens of thousands of Iraqis during that trumped up war. --------------------------------------------------------- Harry, I don't recall you complaining about it either until much later when we found ourselves dealing with an internal power struggle within Iraq. Seems like when things are going well the liberals are all for it. It's only when things don't work out as planned that all the Monday morning quarterbacking starts. |
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On Wed, 8 May 2013 20:34:04 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... I don't recall the righties complaining when the Bush Admin killed tens of thousands of Iraqis during that trumped up war. --------------------------------------------------------- Harry, I don't recall you complaining about it either until much later when we found ourselves dealing with an internal power struggle within Iraq. Seems like when things are going well the liberals are all for it. It's only when things don't work out as planned that all the Monday morning quarterbacking starts. Ah, no. I think if we go back to the start of that war you'll find the small cadre of "libruls" here (I know I was very vocal about my displeasure) were firmly against going into Iraq. The fact that our congress did the go-along-to-get-along soft shoe doesn't account for "libruls." |
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On 5/8/2013 9:23 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
We've been slaughtering non-combatants non stop since the end of WWII. And yet you survive the slaughter. Pity. |
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On 5/9/13 12:06 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 21:23:19 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 5/8/13 8:40 PM, wrote: On Wed, 08 May 2013 19:33:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I don't recall the righties complaining when the Bush Admin killed tens of thousands of Iraqis during that trumped up war. I guess I must not be a "righty" ... but I didn't even want the war when it was GHWB doing it. That just enabled the 20 years of Iraq war that followed. You also ignore the 20,000 that Iraq says we killed between the Kuwait liberation and the GW invasion, in the name of WMD inspections and saving the Kurds. We were bombing them regularly in the supposed decade of "peace" leading up to the invasion.. We've been slaughtering non-combatants non stop since the end of WWII. Why are you limiting this to "after WWII"? Do you think the 8th Air Force and the RAF were all that selective in their bombing? The US was at least trying to target defense industries with daylight bombing and the over hyped Norden bomb site but Bomber Harris was just opening the bomb bays and letting them go over anything he thought might have a lot of Germans in it. Once LeMay got to his B29s over Japan, we used napalm on their population centers with very little regard to their lack of combatant status. This really goes back through the union army in our own civil war and the conquest of the southwest, from the Indians and the Mexicans. I'm aware of our bloody history. |
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says... In article , says... On Wed, 08 May 2013 16:12:47 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 08 May 2013 11:25:12 -0700, jps wrote: In Afghanistan, religious extremists commit murder with their own hands. In Merika, religious idiots have others handle their sins. Our government uses robots to execute people (plus anyone else within 50 meters) that they used to arrest and take to Gitmo. Is that better? I would think death penalty opponents would be up in arms about this. Death without a trial for suspicion of terrorism? Nope, not a word when a Democrat is in the White House. As a whole, I bet Anwar al-Awlaki would have rather been water boarded a few times and be in Guantanamo with a chance to get out. They would have a pretty hard time finding him guilty of anything in an American court. Speech, even anti-American speech is still protected. All that said, I still think he should have been killed ... but I would kill the remaining bomber too. Death penalty should be taken up by the religious before us atheist "libruls" don't ya think? The good news is that more states are either passing legislation against or refusing to put people to death. It's not a deterrent, never has been never will be. But, the killing of babies in the womb is just a woman's choice. You really should read more on the physical sciences instead of what FOX tells you. |
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On Thursday, May 9, 2013 7:29:30 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 8 May 2013 20:34:04 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... I don't recall the righties complaining when the Bush Admin killed tens of thousands of Iraqis during that trumped up war. --------------------------------------------------------- Harry, I don't recall you complaining about it either until much later when we found ourselves dealing with an internal power struggle within Iraq. Seems like when things are going well the liberals are all for it. It's only when things don't work out as planned that all the Monday morning quarterbacking starts. Ah, no. I think if we go back to the start of that war you'll find the small cadre of "libruls" here (I know I was very vocal about my displeasure) were firmly against going into Iraq. The fact that our congress did the go-along-to-get-along soft shoe doesn't account for "libruls." And your proof is? The congress-critter liberals are on video demanding blood. jps is full of it. |
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 05:47:23 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Thursday, May 9, 2013 7:29:30 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 8 May 2013 20:34:04 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... I don't recall the righties complaining when the Bush Admin killed tens of thousands of Iraqis during that trumped up war. --------------------------------------------------------- Harry, I don't recall you complaining about it either until much later when we found ourselves dealing with an internal power struggle within Iraq. Seems like when things are going well the liberals are all for it. It's only when things don't work out as planned that all the Monday morning quarterbacking starts. Ah, no. I think if we go back to the start of that war you'll find the small cadre of "libruls" here (I know I was very vocal about my displeasure) were firmly against going into Iraq. The fact that our congress did the go-along-to-get-along soft shoe doesn't account for "libruls." And your proof is? The congress-critter liberals are on video demanding blood. jps is full of it. Little reading comprehension problem? Try again, dip****. |
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On Wed, 08 May 2013 21:23:19 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 5/8/13 8:40 PM, wrote: On Wed, 08 May 2013 19:33:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I don't recall the righties complaining when the Bush Admin killed tens of thousands of Iraqis during that trumped up war. I guess I must not be a "righty" ... but I didn't even want the war when it was GHWB doing it. That just enabled the 20 years of Iraq war that followed. You also ignore the 20,000 that Iraq says we killed between the Kuwait liberation and the GW invasion, in the name of WMD inspections and saving the Kurds. We were bombing them regularly in the supposed decade of "peace" leading up to the invasion.. We've been slaughtering non-combatants non stop since the end of WWII. Why are you limiting this to "after WWII"? Do you think the 8th Air Force and the RAF were all that selective in their bombing? The US was at least trying to target defense industries with daylight bombing and the over hyped Norden bomb site but Bomber Harris was just opening the bomb bays and letting them go over anything he thought might have a lot of Germans in it. Once LeMay got to his B29s over Japan, we used napalm on their population centers with very little regard to their lack of combatant status. This really goes back through the union army in our own civil war and the conquest of the southwest, from the Indians and the Mexicans. That doens't fit with Harry's view. |
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In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 08 May 2013 16:12:47 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 08 May 2013 11:25:12 -0700, jps wrote: In Afghanistan, religious extremists commit murder with their own hands. In Merika, religious idiots have others handle their sins. Our government uses robots to execute people (plus anyone else within 50 meters) that they used to arrest and take to Gitmo. Is that better? I would think death penalty opponents would be up in arms about this. Death without a trial for suspicion of terrorism? Nope, not a word when a Democrat is in the White House. As a whole, I bet Anwar al-Awlaki would have rather been water boarded a few times and be in Guantanamo with a chance to get out. They would have a pretty hard time finding him guilty of anything in an American court. Speech, even anti-American speech is still protected. All that said, I still think he should have been killed ... but I would kill the remaining bomber too. Death penalty should be taken up by the religious before us atheist "libruls" don't ya think? The good news is that more states are either passing legislation against or refusing to put people to death. It's not a deterrent, never has been never will be. But, the killing of babies in the womb is just a woman's choice. You really should read more on the physical sciences instead of what FOX tells you. You forget, I have a daughter who was a very very pre-mature baby. When she was born her nipples on her breasts hadn't formed yet, the formed within a week. But, she was alive and is now 19 years old. |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 08 May 2013 16:12:47 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 08 May 2013 11:25:12 -0700, jps wrote: In Afghanistan, religious extremists commit murder with their own hands. In Merika, religious idiots have others handle their sins. Our government uses robots to execute people (plus anyone else within 50 meters) that they used to arrest and take to Gitmo. Is that better? I would think death penalty opponents would be up in arms about this. Death without a trial for suspicion of terrorism? Nope, not a word when a Democrat is in the White House. As a whole, I bet Anwar al-Awlaki would have rather been water boarded a few times and be in Guantanamo with a chance to get out. They would have a pretty hard time finding him guilty of anything in an American court. Speech, even anti-American speech is still protected. All that said, I still think he should have been killed ... but I would kill the remaining bomber too. Death penalty should be taken up by the religious before us atheist "libruls" don't ya think? The good news is that more states are either passing legislation against or refusing to put people to death. It's not a deterrent, never has been never will be. But, the killing of babies in the womb is just a woman's choice. You really should read more on the physical sciences instead of what FOX tells you. You forget, I have a daughter who was a very very pre-mature baby. When she was born her nipples on her breasts hadn't formed yet, the formed within a week. But, she was alive and is now 19 years old. So? While medical science is miraculous these days, it still has nothing to do with "killing babies in the womb". I suppose we could use your examples of modern science, and say that medical technology hasn't changed just like the gasoline engine hasn't changed, but that would be silly. Truth be, if left to NATURAL cause and affect, your daughter probably wouldn't have made it. |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... So? While medical science is miraculous these days, it still has nothing to do with "killing babies in the womb". I suppose we could use your examples of modern science, and say that medical technology hasn't changed just like the gasoline engine hasn't changed, but that would be silly. Truth be, if left to NATURAL cause and affect, your daughter probably wouldn't have made it. ----------------------------------------------------- Interesting situation in Ohio with Ariel Castro. According to the police reports he raped the girls he held and at least one became pregnant. The reports allege that he starved the victim for several weeks and repeatedly hit her in the stomach until she had a miscarriage. Ohio law considers a fetus to be a human being, making him eligible for the death penalty if convicted. |
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On 5/10/13 9:55 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... So? While medical science is miraculous these days, it still has nothing to do with "killing babies in the womb". I suppose we could use your examples of modern science, and say that medical technology hasn't changed just like the gasoline engine hasn't changed, but that would be silly. Truth be, if left to NATURAL cause and affect, your daughter probably wouldn't have made it. ----------------------------------------------------- Interesting situation in Ohio with Ariel Castro. According to the police reports he raped the girls he held and at least one became pregnant. The reports allege that he starved the victim for several weeks and repeatedly hit her in the stomach until she had a miscarriage. Ohio law considers a fetus to be a human being, making him eligible for the death penalty if convicted. I'm not a defense attorney, but if I were, I would advise Mr. Castro to cop a plea that might get him life in prison without parole. The prosecutor says he is going to try to get the death penalty for the miscarriages, as you say, but I wonder if even the right-wingers on the U.S. Supreme Court will uphold such a sentence. |
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On 5/10/2013 7:14 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 08 May 2013 16:12:47 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 08 May 2013 11:25:12 -0700, jps wrote: In Afghanistan, religious extremists commit murder with their own hands. In Merika, religious idiots have others handle their sins. Our government uses robots to execute people (plus anyone else within 50 meters) that they used to arrest and take to Gitmo. Is that better? I would think death penalty opponents would be up in arms about this. Death without a trial for suspicion of terrorism? Nope, not a word when a Democrat is in the White House. As a whole, I bet Anwar al-Awlaki would have rather been water boarded a few times and be in Guantanamo with a chance to get out. They would have a pretty hard time finding him guilty of anything in an American court. Speech, even anti-American speech is still protected. All that said, I still think he should have been killed ... but I would kill the remaining bomber too. Death penalty should be taken up by the religious before us atheist "libruls" don't ya think? The good news is that more states are either passing legislation against or refusing to put people to death. It's not a deterrent, never has been never will be. But, the killing of babies in the womb is just a woman's choice. You really should read more on the physical sciences instead of what FOX tells you. You forget, I have a daughter who was a very very pre-mature baby. When she was born her nipples on her breasts hadn't formed yet, the formed within a week. But, she was alive and is now 19 years old. My daughter also was saved from the womb and certain death 7 weeks early... Now she is a motocross champion...:) |
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On 5/10/2013 10:02 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/10/13 9:55 AM, Eisboch wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... So? While medical science is miraculous these days, it still has nothing to do with "killing babies in the womb". I suppose we could use your examples of modern science, and say that medical technology hasn't changed just like the gasoline engine hasn't changed, but that would be silly. Truth be, if left to NATURAL cause and affect, your daughter probably wouldn't have made it. ----------------------------------------------------- Interesting situation in Ohio with Ariel Castro. According to the police reports he raped the girls he held and at least one became pregnant. The reports allege that he starved the victim for several weeks and repeatedly hit her in the stomach until she had a miscarriage. Ohio law considers a fetus to be a human being, making him eligible for the death penalty if convicted. I'm not a defense attorney, but if I were, I would advise Mr. Castro to cop a plea that might get him life in prison without parole. The prosecutor says he is going to try to get the death penalty for the miscarriages, as you say, but I wonder if even the right-wingers on the U.S. Supreme Court will uphold such a sentence. Why wouldn't they? |
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says... On 5/10/2013 7:14 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 08 May 2013 16:12:47 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 08 May 2013 11:25:12 -0700, jps wrote: In Afghanistan, religious extremists commit murder with their own hands. In Merika, religious idiots have others handle their sins. Our government uses robots to execute people (plus anyone else within 50 meters) that they used to arrest and take to Gitmo. Is that better? I would think death penalty opponents would be up in arms about this. Death without a trial for suspicion of terrorism? Nope, not a word when a Democrat is in the White House. As a whole, I bet Anwar al-Awlaki would have rather been water boarded a few times and be in Guantanamo with a chance to get out. They would have a pretty hard time finding him guilty of anything in an American court. Speech, even anti-American speech is still protected. All that said, I still think he should have been killed ... but I would kill the remaining bomber too. Death penalty should be taken up by the religious before us atheist "libruls" don't ya think? The good news is that more states are either passing legislation against or refusing to put people to death. It's not a deterrent, never has been never will be. But, the killing of babies in the womb is just a woman's choice. You really should read more on the physical sciences instead of what FOX tells you. You forget, I have a daughter who was a very very pre-mature baby. When she was born her nipples on her breasts hadn't formed yet, the formed within a week. But, she was alive and is now 19 years old. My daughter also was saved from the womb and certain death 7 weeks early... Now she is a motocross champion...:) What championship did she win? |
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@socialworker.net says... On 5/10/2013 10:02 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 5/10/13 9:55 AM, Eisboch wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... So? While medical science is miraculous these days, it still has nothing to do with "killing babies in the womb". I suppose we could use your examples of modern science, and say that medical technology hasn't changed just like the gasoline engine hasn't changed, but that would be silly. Truth be, if left to NATURAL cause and affect, your daughter probably wouldn't have made it. ----------------------------------------------------- Interesting situation in Ohio with Ariel Castro. According to the police reports he raped the girls he held and at least one became pregnant. The reports allege that he starved the victim for several weeks and repeatedly hit her in the stomach until she had a miscarriage. Ohio law considers a fetus to be a human being, making him eligible for the death penalty if convicted. I'm not a defense attorney, but if I were, I would advise Mr. Castro to cop a plea that might get him life in prison without parole. The prosecutor says he is going to try to get the death penalty for the miscarriages, as you say, but I wonder if even the right-wingers on the U.S. Supreme Court will uphold such a sentence. Why wouldn't they? Really, I mean they don't mind killing when it fits THEIR agenda... |
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On 5/10/13 1:25 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 5/10/2013 7:14 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 08 May 2013 16:12:47 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 08 May 2013 11:25:12 -0700, jps wrote: In Afghanistan, religious extremists commit murder with their own hands. In Merika, religious idiots have others handle their sins. Our government uses robots to execute people (plus anyone else within 50 meters) that they used to arrest and take to Gitmo. Is that better? I would think death penalty opponents would be up in arms about this. Death without a trial for suspicion of terrorism? Nope, not a word when a Democrat is in the White House. As a whole, I bet Anwar al-Awlaki would have rather been water boarded a few times and be in Guantanamo with a chance to get out. They would have a pretty hard time finding him guilty of anything in an American court. Speech, even anti-American speech is still protected. All that said, I still think he should have been killed ... but I would kill the remaining bomber too. Death penalty should be taken up by the religious before us atheist "libruls" don't ya think? The good news is that more states are either passing legislation against or refusing to put people to death. It's not a deterrent, never has been never will be. But, the killing of babies in the womb is just a woman's choice. You really should read more on the physical sciences instead of what FOX tells you. You forget, I have a daughter who was a very very pre-mature baby. When she was born her nipples on her breasts hadn't formed yet, the formed within a week. But, she was alive and is now 19 years old. My daughter also was saved from the womb and certain death 7 weeks early... Now she is a motocross champion...:) What championship did she win? Surviving Teen-Hood at PsychoSnotty's :) |
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says... On 5/10/13 1:25 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 5/10/2013 7:14 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 08 May 2013 16:12:47 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 08 May 2013 11:25:12 -0700, jps wrote: In Afghanistan, religious extremists commit murder with their own hands. In Merika, religious idiots have others handle their sins. Our government uses robots to execute people (plus anyone else within 50 meters) that they used to arrest and take to Gitmo. Is that better? I would think death penalty opponents would be up in arms about this. Death without a trial for suspicion of terrorism? Nope, not a word when a Democrat is in the White House. As a whole, I bet Anwar al-Awlaki would have rather been water boarded a few times and be in Guantanamo with a chance to get out. They would have a pretty hard time finding him guilty of anything in an American court. Speech, even anti-American speech is still protected. All that said, I still think he should have been killed ... but I would kill the remaining bomber too. Death penalty should be taken up by the religious before us atheist "libruls" don't ya think? The good news is that more states are either passing legislation against or refusing to put people to death. It's not a deterrent, never has been never will be. But, the killing of babies in the womb is just a woman's choice. You really should read more on the physical sciences instead of what FOX tells you. You forget, I have a daughter who was a very very pre-mature baby. When she was born her nipples on her breasts hadn't formed yet, the formed within a week. But, she was alive and is now 19 years old. My daughter also was saved from the womb and certain death 7 weeks early... Now she is a motocross champion...:) What championship did she win? Surviving Teen-Hood at PsychoSnotty's :) Poor thing certainly deserves a prize for that. |
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On Friday, 10 May 2013 14:25:06 UTC-3, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 5/10/2013 7:14 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 08 May 2013 16:12:47 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 08 May 2013 11:25:12 -0700, jps wrote: In Afghanistan, religious extremists commit murder with their own hands. In Merika, religious idiots have others handle their sins. Our government uses robots to execute people (plus anyone else within 50 meters) that they used to arrest and take to Gitmo. Is that better? I would think death penalty opponents would be up in arms about this. Death without a trial for suspicion of terrorism? Nope, not a word when a Democrat is in the White House. As a whole, I bet Anwar al-Awlaki would have rather been water boarded a few times and be in Guantanamo with a chance to get out. They would have a pretty hard time finding him guilty of anything in an American court. Speech, even anti-American speech is still protected. All that said, I still think he should have been killed ... but I would kill the remaining bomber too. Death penalty should be taken up by the religious before us atheist "libruls" don't ya think? The good news is that more states are either passing legislation against or refusing to put people to death. It's not a deterrent, never has been never will be. But, the killing of babies in the womb is just a woman's choice. You really should read more on the physical sciences instead of what FOX tells you. You forget, I have a daughter who was a very very pre-mature baby. When she was born her nipples on her breasts hadn't formed yet, the formed within a week. But, she was alive and is now 19 years old. My daughter also was saved from the womb and certain death 7 weeks early... Now she is a motocross champion...:) What championship did she win? Yeah...you'd think Snottie would have boasted and proclaimed that championship across the land.if and when it happened. |
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On Wed, 08 May 2013 11:25:12 -0700, jps wrote:
Might help you learn to spell! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q65KZIqay4E And it's great music besides! John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Fri, 10 May 2013 09:55:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... So? While medical science is miraculous these days, it still has nothing to do with "killing babies in the womb". I suppose we could use your examples of modern science, and say that medical technology hasn't changed just like the gasoline engine hasn't changed, but that would be silly. Truth be, if left to NATURAL cause and affect, your daughter probably wouldn't have made it. ----------------------------------------------------- Interesting situation in Ohio with Ariel Castro. According to the police reports he raped the girls he held and at least one became pregnant. The reports allege that he starved the victim for several weeks and repeatedly hit her in the stomach until she had a miscarriage. Ohio law considers a fetus to be a human being, making him eligible for the death penalty if convicted. Ohio gets it right. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 5/10/13 9:55 AM, Eisboch wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... So? While medical science is miraculous these days, it still has nothing to do with "killing babies in the womb". I suppose we could use your examples of modern science, and say that medical technology hasn't changed just like the gasoline engine hasn't changed, but that would be silly. Truth be, if left to NATURAL cause and affect, your daughter probably wouldn't have made it. ----------------------------------------------------- Interesting situation in Ohio with Ariel Castro. According to the police reports he raped the girls he held and at least one became pregnant. The reports allege that he starved the victim for several weeks and repeatedly hit her in the stomach until she had a miscarriage. Ohio law considers a fetus to be a human being, making him eligible for the death penalty if convicted. I'm not a defense attorney, but if I were, I would advise Mr. Castro to cop a plea that might get him life in prison without parole. The prosecutor says he is going to try to get the death penalty for the miscarriages, as you say, but I wonder if even the right-wingers on the U.S. Supreme Court will uphold such a sentence. ----------------------------------------------- Yeah. I am not a death penalty advocate because it bothers me to think of how many innocent people may have been executed over the years. In this case though, my initial thought was execution by the slowest and most painful means possible. But it might be better for him to be sentenced to life but with no provisions to be held in a separate facility in protective confinement. Let him live with the rest of the hard core inmates. They don't take too kindly to his kind of criminal activity. I'd give him a year, at best, to survive. |
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... So? While medical science is miraculous these days, it still has nothing to do with "killing babies in the womb". I suppose we could use your examples of modern science, and say that medical technology hasn't changed just like the gasoline engine hasn't changed, but that would be silly. Truth be, if left to NATURAL cause and affect, your daughter probably wouldn't have made it. ----------------------------------------------------- Interesting situation in Ohio with Ariel Castro. According to the police reports he raped the girls he held and at least one became pregnant. The reports allege that he starved the victim for several weeks and repeatedly hit her in the stomach until she had a miscarriage. Ohio law considers a fetus to be a human being, making him eligible for the death penalty if convicted. The way a lawyer "expert" was presenting it, is that the state will have to prove that the fetus was viable and able to live outside of the womb to be consider murder. That sounds to me more like it's a zygot then fetus and not a human until birth. -------------------------------------------------- It might sound like that to you but the Ohio statutes don't make any distinction like that. The "expert" lawyer was likely describing a hypothetical defense argument that he would make. Fact is, leave a fetus alone and it almost always becomes viable. At what point in the pregnancy does this occur? It varies. The scientific definition is nothing more than an estimate and consensus , generated and defined by humans, just like the stories in the Bible that so many like to point out. It's a convenient way to deal with unwanted pregnancies. So, I remain anti abortion but pro -choice. The Ohio statutes don't make any distinction the other way, either. Again, if the fetus wasn't viable at the time the crime (and I use that term lightly because I think the scumbag should die a horrible death no matter the outcome on this) then how could it be murder? On the other hand, if they can prove that the fetus would have been born alive and remained alive, then he'd be a murderer. |
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On 5/10/13 3:53 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... So? While medical science is miraculous these days, it still has nothing to do with "killing babies in the womb". I suppose we could use your examples of modern science, and say that medical technology hasn't changed just like the gasoline engine hasn't changed, but that would be silly. Truth be, if left to NATURAL cause and affect, your daughter probably wouldn't have made it. ----------------------------------------------------- Interesting situation in Ohio with Ariel Castro. According to the police reports he raped the girls he held and at least one became pregnant. The reports allege that he starved the victim for several weeks and repeatedly hit her in the stomach until she had a miscarriage. Ohio law considers a fetus to be a human being, making him eligible for the death penalty if convicted. The way a lawyer "expert" was presenting it, is that the state will have to prove that the fetus was viable and able to live outside of the womb to be consider murder. That sounds to me more like it's a zygot then fetus and not a human until birth. -------------------------------------------------- It might sound like that to you but the Ohio statutes don't make any distinction like that. The "expert" lawyer was likely describing a hypothetical defense argument that he would make. Fact is, leave a fetus alone and it almost always becomes viable. At what point in the pregnancy does this occur? It varies. The scientific definition is nothing more than an estimate and consensus , generated and defined by humans, just like the stories in the Bible that so many like to point out. It's a convenient way to deal with unwanted pregnancies. So, I remain anti abortion but pro -choice. The Ohio statutes don't make any distinction the other way, either. Again, if the fetus wasn't viable at the time the crime (and I use that term lightly because I think the scumbag should die a horrible death no matter the outcome on this) then how could it be murder? On the other hand, if they can prove that the fetus would have been born alive and remained alive, then he'd be a murderer. If the perp is convicted of murder and sentenced to die, I suspect the Supreme Court will overturn the law. |
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On 5/10/2013 3:26 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... So? While medical science is miraculous these days, it still has nothing to do with "killing babies in the womb". I suppose we could use your examples of modern science, and say that medical technology hasn't changed just like the gasoline engine hasn't changed, but that would be silly. Truth be, if left to NATURAL cause and affect, your daughter probably wouldn't have made it. ----------------------------------------------------- Interesting situation in Ohio with Ariel Castro. According to the police reports he raped the girls he held and at least one became pregnant. The reports allege that he starved the victim for several weeks and repeatedly hit her in the stomach until she had a miscarriage. Ohio law considers a fetus to be a human being, making him eligible for the death penalty if convicted. The way a lawyer "expert" was presenting it, is that the state will have to prove that the fetus was viable and able to live outside of the womb to be consider murder. That sounds to me more like it's a zygot then fetus and not a human until birth. -------------------------------------------------- It might sound like that to you but the Ohio statutes don't make any distinction like that. The "expert" lawyer was likely describing a hypothetical defense argument that he would make. Fact is, leave a fetus alone and it almost always becomes viable. At what point in the pregnancy does this occur? It varies. The scientific definition is nothing more than an estimate and consensus , generated and defined by humans, just like the stories in the Bible that so many like to point out. It's a convenient way to deal with unwanted pregnancies. So, I remain anti abortion but pro -choice. That's right. Only the mother, if anyone, should have the right to choose if the baby lives or dies, except in certain circumstances. |
Merikan Taliban
On 5/10/2013 3:54 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/10/13 3:53 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... So? While medical science is miraculous these days, it still has nothing to do with "killing babies in the womb". I suppose we could use your examples of modern science, and say that medical technology hasn't changed just like the gasoline engine hasn't changed, but that would be silly. Truth be, if left to NATURAL cause and affect, your daughter probably wouldn't have made it. ----------------------------------------------------- Interesting situation in Ohio with Ariel Castro. According to the police reports he raped the girls he held and at least one became pregnant. The reports allege that he starved the victim for several weeks and repeatedly hit her in the stomach until she had a miscarriage. Ohio law considers a fetus to be a human being, making him eligible for the death penalty if convicted. The way a lawyer "expert" was presenting it, is that the state will have to prove that the fetus was viable and able to live outside of the womb to be consider murder. That sounds to me more like it's a zygot then fetus and not a human until birth. -------------------------------------------------- It might sound like that to you but the Ohio statutes don't make any distinction like that. The "expert" lawyer was likely describing a hypothetical defense argument that he would make. Fact is, leave a fetus alone and it almost always becomes viable. At what point in the pregnancy does this occur? It varies. The scientific definition is nothing more than an estimate and consensus , generated and defined by humans, just like the stories in the Bible that so many like to point out. It's a convenient way to deal with unwanted pregnancies. So, I remain anti abortion but pro -choice. The Ohio statutes don't make any distinction the other way, either. Again, if the fetus wasn't viable at the time the crime (and I use that term lightly because I think the scumbag should die a horrible death no matter the outcome on this) then how could it be murder? On the other hand, if they can prove that the fetus would have been born alive and remained alive, then he'd be a murderer. If the perp is convicted of murder and sentenced to die, I suspect the Supreme Court will overturn the law. I suspect you suspect wrong. |
Merikan Taliban
On Fri, 10 May 2013 15:26:58 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... So? While medical science is miraculous these days, it still has nothing to do with "killing babies in the womb". I suppose we could use your examples of modern science, and say that medical technology hasn't changed just like the gasoline engine hasn't changed, but that would be silly. Truth be, if left to NATURAL cause and affect, your daughter probably wouldn't have made it. ----------------------------------------------------- Interesting situation in Ohio with Ariel Castro. According to the police reports he raped the girls he held and at least one became pregnant. The reports allege that he starved the victim for several weeks and repeatedly hit her in the stomach until she had a miscarriage. Ohio law considers a fetus to be a human being, making him eligible for the death penalty if convicted. The way a lawyer "expert" was presenting it, is that the state will have to prove that the fetus was viable and able to live outside of the womb to be consider murder. That sounds to me more like it's a zygot then fetus and not a human until birth. -------------------------------------------------- It might sound like that to you but the Ohio statutes don't make any distinction like that. The "expert" lawyer was likely describing a hypothetical defense argument that he would make. Fact is, leave a fetus alone and it almost always becomes viable. At what point in the pregnancy does this occur? It varies. The scientific definition is nothing more than an estimate and consensus , generated and defined by humans, just like the stories in the Bible that so many like to point out. It's a convenient way to deal with unwanted pregnancies. So, I remain anti abortion but pro -choice. Does the baby get a say in the matter? John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
Merikan Taliban
Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 5/10/13 9:55 AM, Eisboch wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... So? While medical science is miraculous these days, it still has nothing to do with "killing babies in the womb". I suppose we could use your examples of modern science, and say that medical technology hasn't changed just like the gasoline engine hasn't changed, but that would be silly. Truth be, if left to NATURAL cause and affect, your daughter probably wouldn't have made it. ----------------------------------------------------- Interesting situation in Ohio with Ariel Castro. According to the police reports he raped the girls he held and at least one became pregnant. The reports allege that he starved the victim for several weeks and repeatedly hit her in the stomach until she had a miscarriage. Ohio law considers a fetus to be a human being, making him eligible for the death penalty if convicted. I'm not a defense attorney, but if I were, I would advise Mr. Castro to cop a plea that might get him life in prison without parole. The prosecutor says he is going to try to get the death penalty for the miscarriages, as you say, but I wonder if even the right-wingers on the U.S. Supreme Court will uphold such a sentence. ----------------------------------------------- Yeah. I am not a death penalty advocate because it bothers me to think of how many innocent people may have been executed over the years. In this case though, my initial thought was execution by the slowest and most painful means possible. But it might be better for him to be sentenced to life but with no provisions to be held in a separate facility in protective confinement. Let him live with the rest of the hard core inmates. They don't take too kindly to his kind of criminal activity. I'd give him a year, at best, to survive. Jeffrey Dahmer died in a state without the death penalty under similar circumstances. It was a good day for Wisconsin. |
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