Judge finds two Ohio teens guilty of raping girl


STEUBENVILLE, Ohio (Reuters) - Two high school football players from
Ohio were found guilty of raping a 16-year-old girl at a party last
summer while she was in a drunken stupor in a case that gained national
exposure through social media.

Trent Mays, 17, and Ma'lik Richmond, 16, two members of Steubenville's
"Big Red" football team, were found delinquent in the sexual assault of
the girl in the early morning of August 12 when witnesses said she was
too drunk to move or speak.

The defendants could be heard sobbing after Judge Tom Lipps announced
the decision in the non-jury, juvenile court case. He began immediately
taking arguments about a sentence in the case.

Mays and Richmond had denied the charge and said any sex that occurred
was consensual.

Both apologized to the victim in short statements after Lipps found them
delinquent of all charges against them.

They could be sentenced to a juvenile detention facility until they turn
21, and be required to register as sex offenders.

The case drew national attention to the town, 40 miles west of
Pittsburgh, after a photo and video from the party that appeared to
document the assault were posted online.

The non-jury trial neared its conclusion late on Saturday after four
days of testimony capped by the accuser's tearful acknowledgment on the
witness stand that she had little memory from the night of the alleged
assaults.

Lipps said the evidence presented was profane and ugly at times and said
that alcohol consumption showed a particular danger to "our teenage youth."

Mays and Richmond, were charged as juveniles with raping a girl by
digital penetration while she was passed out from heavy drinking at a party.

In her testimony on Saturday, the accuser recounted drinking vodka mixed
with slushy-iced beverages the night of the party, then finding herself
sitting on a curb early the next day with her hands between her legs,
vomiting into the street.

She testified that she otherwise had no recollection of what happened
during the time span in between, when witnesses in the case have said
she was too drunk to move or talk.

Under its policy of keeping the names of accusers in rape cases
confidential, Reuters has not identified the girl.

Prosecutor Marianne Hemmeter argued that the things that made the
accuser "an imperfect witness (also) made her, in every sense of the
word, a perfect victim."

"She was substantially impaired, and they treated her like a toy," the
prosecutor said.

Defense attorney Walter Madison countered by highlighting
inconsistencies in the accounts of various witnesses, one of whom he
accused of taking part in assaulting the girl, then cooperating with
prosecutors under a grant of immunity.

- - -

This is a sad case for all concerned, but at some point, perhaps, high
school, college, and professional athletes may realize that their
"prowess" on the athletic field doesn't entitle them to take advantage
of girls.

This was *not* consensual sex among teen-agers, to which I have no
objection.

On 3/17/2013 11:03 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Judge finds two Ohio teens guilty of raping girl


STEUBENVILLE, Ohio (Reuters) - Two high school football players from
Ohio were found guilty of raping a 16-year-old girl at a party last
summer while she was in a drunken stupor in a case that gained national
exposure through social media.

Trent Mays, 17, and Ma'lik Richmond, 16, two members of Steubenville's
"Big Red" football team, were found delinquent in the sexual assault of
the girl in the early morning of August 12 when witnesses said she was
too drunk to move or speak.

The defendants could be heard sobbing after Judge Tom Lipps announced
the decision in the non-jury, juvenile court case. He began immediately
taking arguments about a sentence in the case.

Mays and Richmond had denied the charge and said any sex that occurred
was consensual.

Both apologized to the victim in short statements after Lipps found them
delinquent of all charges against them.

They could be sentenced to a juvenile detention facility until they turn
21, and be required to register as sex offenders.

The case drew national attention to the town, 40 miles west of
Pittsburgh, after a photo and video from the party that appeared to
document the assault were posted online.

The non-jury trial neared its conclusion late on Saturday after four
days of testimony capped by the accuser's tearful acknowledgment on the
witness stand that she had little memory from the night of the alleged
assaults.

Lipps said the evidence presented was profane and ugly at times and said
that alcohol consumption showed a particular danger to "our teenage youth."

Mays and Richmond, were charged as juveniles with raping a girl by
digital penetration while she was passed out from heavy drinking at a
party.

In her testimony on Saturday, the accuser recounted drinking vodka mixed
with slushy-iced beverages the night of the party, then finding herself
sitting on a curb early the next day with her hands between her legs,
vomiting into the street.

She testified that she otherwise had no recollection of what happened
during the time span in between, when witnesses in the case have said
she was too drunk to move or talk.

Under its policy of keeping the names of accusers in rape cases
confidential, Reuters has not identified the girl.

Prosecutor Marianne Hemmeter argued that the things that made the
accuser "an imperfect witness (also) made her, in every sense of the
word, a perfect victim."

"She was substantially impaired, and they treated her like a toy," the
prosecutor said.

Defense attorney Walter Madison countered by highlighting
inconsistencies in the accounts of various witnesses, one of whom he
accused of taking part in assaulting the girl, then cooperating with
prosecutors under a grant of immunity.

- - -

This is a sad case for all concerned, but at some point, perhaps, high
school, college, and professional athletes may realize that their
"prowess" on the athletic field doesn't entitle them to take advantage
of girls.


Yeah, and maybe the 40 or so witnesses that weren't jocks could realize
the same thing...

In article ,
says...

On 3/17/2013 11:03 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Judge finds two Ohio teens guilty of raping girl


STEUBENVILLE, Ohio (Reuters) - Two high school football players from
Ohio were found guilty of raping a 16-year-old girl at a party last
summer while she was in a drunken stupor in a case that gained national
exposure through social media.

Trent Mays, 17, and Ma'lik Richmond, 16, two members of Steubenville's
"Big Red" football team, were found delinquent in the sexual assault of
the girl in the early morning of August 12 when witnesses said she was
too drunk to move or speak.

The defendants could be heard sobbing after Judge Tom Lipps announced
the decision in the non-jury, juvenile court case. He began immediately
taking arguments about a sentence in the case.

Mays and Richmond had denied the charge and said any sex that occurred
was consensual.

Both apologized to the victim in short statements after Lipps found them
delinquent of all charges against them.

They could be sentenced to a juvenile detention facility until they turn
21, and be required to register as sex offenders.

The case drew national attention to the town, 40 miles west of
Pittsburgh, after a photo and video from the party that appeared to
document the assault were posted online.

The non-jury trial neared its conclusion late on Saturday after four
days of testimony capped by the accuser's tearful acknowledgment on the
witness stand that she had little memory from the night of the alleged
assaults.

Lipps said the evidence presented was profane and ugly at times and said
that alcohol consumption showed a particular danger to "our teenage youth."

Mays and Richmond, were charged as juveniles with raping a girl by
digital penetration while she was passed out from heavy drinking at a
party.

In her testimony on Saturday, the accuser recounted drinking vodka mixed
with slushy-iced beverages the night of the party, then finding herself
sitting on a curb early the next day with her hands between her legs,
vomiting into the street.

She testified that she otherwise had no recollection of what happened
during the time span in between, when witnesses in the case have said
she was too drunk to move or talk.

Under its policy of keeping the names of accusers in rape cases
confidential, Reuters has not identified the girl.

Prosecutor Marianne Hemmeter argued that the things that made the
accuser "an imperfect witness (also) made her, in every sense of the
word, a perfect victim."

"She was substantially impaired, and they treated her like a toy," the
prosecutor said.

Defense attorney Walter Madison countered by highlighting
inconsistencies in the accounts of various witnesses, one of whom he
accused of taking part in assaulting the girl, then cooperating with
prosecutors under a grant of immunity.

- - -

This is a sad case for all concerned, but at some point, perhaps, high
school, college, and professional athletes may realize that their
"prowess" on the athletic field doesn't entitle them to take advantage
of girls.


Yeah, and maybe the 40 or so witnesses that weren't jocks could realize
the same thing...

Where do you get the idea that there were 40 or so witnesses? Oh, wait,
never mind, it's not like you post anything reality based.

On 3/17/2013 3:41 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:09:26 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:


Yeah, and maybe the 40 or so witnesses that weren't jocks could realize
the same thing...

Where do you get the idea that there were 40 or so witnesses? Oh, wait,
never mind, it's not like you post anything reality based.

This was testified as being a large party. 40 might be a guess but I
bet it wasn't far wrong either way.,
Did you see the pictures? These 2 weasels were dragging this drunk
girl around by her hands and feet.


Kevin calls me out on these things every day, and he is always wrong. I
don't bother doing his homework for him as he really doesn't care, he is
just mad that I am not paying attention to him. Did you see him
returning to spoofing again yesterday? Sad old dude.....

In article ,
says...

On 3/17/2013 3:41 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:09:26 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:


Yeah, and maybe the 40 or so witnesses that weren't jocks could realize
the same thing...

Where do you get the idea that there were 40 or so witnesses? Oh, wait,
never mind, it's not like you post anything reality based.

This was testified as being a large party. 40 might be a guess but I
bet it wasn't far wrong either way.,
Did you see the pictures? These 2 weasels were dragging this drunk
girl around by her hands and feet.


Kevin calls me out on these things every day, and he is always wrong. I
don't bother doing his homework for him as he really doesn't care, he is
just mad that I am not paying attention to him. Did you see him
returning to spoofing again yesterday? Sad old dude.....

And you still haven't given him or anyone else here one single bit of
evidence.

On 3/17/13 12:05 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:09:46 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 3/17/2013 11:03 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Judge finds two Ohio teens guilty of raping girl


STEUBENVILLE, Ohio (Reuters) - Two high school football players from
Ohio were found guilty of raping a 16-year-old girl at a party last
summer while she was in a drunken stupor in a case that gained national
exposure through social media.
- - -

This is a sad case for all concerned, but at some point, perhaps, high
school, college, and professional athletes may realize that their
"prowess" on the athletic field doesn't entitle them to take advantage
of girls.


Yeah, and maybe the 40 or so witnesses that weren't jocks could realize
the same thing...

I agree. Why is it acceptable these days to take pictures of a felony
in progress and not do anything to try to stop it. There should have
been more charges brought.

OTOH I am old enough to remember when this kind of thing was not
unusual in he college setting and never prosecuted so the trend is
going the right way.


Some of us were smart enough in high school and college to hang out with
girls who didn't need to be drugged or boozed into having sex.

On 3/17/2013 12:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/17/13 12:05 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:09:46 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 3/17/2013 11:03 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Judge finds two Ohio teens guilty of raping girl


STEUBENVILLE, Ohio (Reuters) - Two high school football players from
Ohio were found guilty of raping a 16-year-old girl at a party last
summer while she was in a drunken stupor in a case that gained national
exposure through social media.
- - -

This is a sad case for all concerned, but at some point, perhaps, high
school, college, and professional athletes may realize that their
"prowess" on the athletic field doesn't entitle them to take advantage
of girls.


Yeah, and maybe the 40 or so witnesses that weren't jocks could realize
the same thing...

I agree. Why is it acceptable these days to take pictures of a felony
in progress and not do anything to try to stop it. There should have
been more charges brought.

OTOH I am old enough to remember when this kind of thing was not
unusual in he college setting and never prosecuted so the trend is
going the right way.


Some of us were smart enough in high school and college to hang out with
girls who didn't need to be drugged or boozed into having sex.

Oh brother... right harry..

On 3/17/13 12:59 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/17/2013 12:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/17/13 12:05 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:09:46 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 3/17/2013 11:03 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Judge finds two Ohio teens guilty of raping girl


STEUBENVILLE, Ohio (Reuters) - Two high school football players from
Ohio were found guilty of raping a 16-year-old girl at a party last
summer while she was in a drunken stupor in a case that gained
national
exposure through social media.
- - -

This is a sad case for all concerned, but at some point, perhaps, high
school, college, and professional athletes may realize that their
"prowess" on the athletic field doesn't entitle them to take advantage
of girls.


Yeah, and maybe the 40 or so witnesses that weren't jocks could realize
the same thing...

I agree. Why is it acceptable these days to take pictures of a felony
in progress and not do anything to try to stop it. There should have
been more charges brought.

OTOH I am old enough to remember when this kind of thing was not
unusual in he college setting and never prosecuted so the trend is
going the right way.


Some of us were smart enough in high school and college to hang out with
girls who didn't need to be drugged or boozed into having sex.

Oh brother... right harry..


I understand and appreciate how a guy like you would have missed those
sorts of experiences.

On 3/17/2013 12:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/17/13 12:05 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:09:46 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 3/17/2013 11:03 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Judge finds two Ohio teens guilty of raping girl


STEUBENVILLE, Ohio (Reuters) - Two high school football players from
Ohio were found guilty of raping a 16-year-old girl at a party last
summer while she was in a drunken stupor in a case that gained national
exposure through social media.
- - -

This is a sad case for all concerned, but at some point, perhaps, high
school, college, and professional athletes may realize that their
"prowess" on the athletic field doesn't entitle them to take advantage
of girls.


Yeah, and maybe the 40 or so witnesses that weren't jocks could realize
the same thing...

I agree. Why is it acceptable these days to take pictures of a felony
in progress and not do anything to try to stop it. There should have
been more charges brought.

OTOH I am old enough to remember when this kind of thing was not
unusual in he college setting and never prosecuted so the trend is
going the right way.


Some of us were smart enough in high school and college to hang out with
girls who didn't need to be drugged or boozed into having sex.
Sluts, tramps, whores? or did you pay for it?

On 3/17/13 1:17 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:29:54 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

OTOH I am old enough to remember when this kind of thing was not
unusual in he college setting and never prosecuted so the trend is
going the right way.


Some of us were smart enough in high school and college to hang out with
girls who didn't need to be drugged or boozed into having sex.


But you still heard the stories.


Actually, no. I don't recall one tale relating to any of the gals in our
junior high or high school being sexually attacked. I'm not saying it
didn't happen. And I knew and was friendly with just about everyone in
those schools.

College was more insulated for me, in that we spent less time with fewer
people even though the campus had thousands of kids running around. We
didn't have as much free time as we did in high school. I recall one
incident when a guy from KC was pestering his date in the wrong way, but
a couple of guys near him at the party in question "straightened him
out," so to speak. Again, I'm not saying date rape or worse didn't happen.