On 3/14/2013 4:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/14/13 4:10 PM, Gogarty wrote:
Going to sea is a risk. I have no sympathy for people who start
yelling and
screaming (and contacting lawyers) when anything goes wrong. All
gangplanks
should have a huge sign "Board at your own risk."


There's an expectation that public conveyances are being maintained and
operated properly. Apparently that is not the case with the Carnival
cruise line ships and others that serve mainly U.S. ports but are flying
flags of convenience in nations that apparently aren't rigorous in
establishing, maintaining and enforcing standards.

Perhaps a solution might be to insist that these ships be U.S. flagged,
and therefore subject to U.S. rules regarding construction, operation,
crew training and safety. One rule might be that critical shipboard
personnel share a common language.



You're too funny.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:52:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

The solution to every problem in the world isn't
more government inspired laws and regulations. Carnival will sink or
swim on their own based on customer satisfaction/dissatisfaction.
For one, I certainly don't need the government to protect me from them
because I'd never book a cruise with them, solely based on their
reputation.

A cruise ship isn't exactly a common "public" conveyance like a bus or
taxi.

====

Good points.

The free market system eventually sorts things out.

On 3/14/2013 7:56 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 3/14/2013 4:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/14/13 4:10 PM, Gogarty wrote:
Going to sea is a risk. I have no sympathy for people who start
yelling and
screaming (and contacting lawyers) when anything goes wrong. All
gangplanks
should have a huge sign "Board at your own risk."


There's an expectation that public conveyances are being maintained and
operated properly. Apparently that is not the case with the Carnival
cruise line ships and others that serve mainly U.S. ports but are flying
flags of convenience in nations that apparently aren't rigorous in
establishing, maintaining and enforcing standards.

Perhaps a solution might be to insist that these ships be U.S. flagged,
and therefore subject to U.S. rules regarding construction, operation,
crew training and safety. One rule might be that critical shipboard
personnel share a common language.



You're too funny.


I said a few weeks back this would come down to feeding more dirty
unions.... Just what we need, a thousand folks on board a disabled ship
that can't do anybody elses job or they might lose their card...

On 3/14/13 9:38 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/14/2013 7:56 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 3/14/2013 4:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/14/13 4:10 PM, Gogarty wrote:
Going to sea is a risk. I have no sympathy for people who start
yelling and
screaming (and contacting lawyers) when anything goes wrong. All
gangplanks
should have a huge sign "Board at your own risk."


There's an expectation that public conveyances are being maintained and
operated properly. Apparently that is not the case with the Carnival
cruise line ships and others that serve mainly U.S. ports but are flying
flags of convenience in nations that apparently aren't rigorous in
establishing, maintaining and enforcing standards.

Perhaps a solution might be to insist that these ships be U.S. flagged,
and therefore subject to U.S. rules regarding construction, operation,
crew training and safety. One rule might be that critical shipboard
personnel share a common language.



You're too funny.


I said a few weeks back this would come down to feeding more dirty
unions.... Just what we need, a thousand folks on board a disabled ship
that can't do anybody elses job or they might lose their card...


Seafarers are cross-trained, **** for brains. That means they are
professionally trained to handle emergencies aboard ships. We're not
talking about the kitchen crew or the cleaning crew.

Lordy, you are an ignorant little putz.

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says...

On 3/14/13 9:38 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/14/2013 7:56 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 3/14/2013 4:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/14/13 4:10 PM, Gogarty wrote:
Going to sea is a risk. I have no sympathy for people who start
yelling and
screaming (and contacting lawyers) when anything goes wrong. All
gangplanks
should have a huge sign "Board at your own risk."


There's an expectation that public conveyances are being maintained and
operated properly. Apparently that is not the case with the Carnival
cruise line ships and others that serve mainly U.S. ports but are flying
flags of convenience in nations that apparently aren't rigorous in
establishing, maintaining and enforcing standards.

Perhaps a solution might be to insist that these ships be U.S. flagged,
and therefore subject to U.S. rules regarding construction, operation,
crew training and safety. One rule might be that critical shipboard
personnel share a common language.



You're too funny.


I said a few weeks back this would come down to feeding more dirty
unions.... Just what we need, a thousand folks on board a disabled ship
that can't do anybody elses job or they might lose their card...


Seafarers are cross-trained, **** for brains. That means they are
professionally trained to handle emergencies aboard ships. We're not
talking about the kitchen crew or the cleaning crew.

Lordy, you are an ignorant little putz.

Yup.

On 3/15/2013 9:28 AM, Gogarty wrote:
In article ,
says...


On 3/14/13 9:38 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/14/2013 7:56 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 3/14/2013 4:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/14/13 4:10 PM, Gogarty wrote:
Going to sea is a risk. I have no sympathy for people who start
yelling and
screaming (and contacting lawyers) when anything goes wrong. All
gangplanks
should have a huge sign "Board at your own risk."


There's an expectation that public conveyances are being maintained and
operated properly. Apparently that is not the case with the Carnival
cruise line ships and others that serve mainly U.S. ports but are flying
flags of convenience in nations that apparently aren't rigorous in
establishing, maintaining and enforcing standards.

Perhaps a solution might be to insist that these ships be U.S. flagged,
and therefore subject to U.S. rules regarding construction, operation,
crew training and safety. One rule might be that critical shipboard
personnel share a common language.



You're too funny.


I said a few weeks back this would come down to feeding more dirty
unions.... Just what we need, a thousand folks on board a disabled ship
that can't do anybody elses job or they might lose their card...


Seafarers are cross-trained, **** for brains. That means they are
professionally trained to handle emergencies aboard ships. We're not
talking about the kitchen crew or the cleaning crew.

Lordy, you are an ignorant little putz.

At sea the only crew the passengers see is the hotel staff. The people who
run the ship are all out of sight.


Until the generators cut out then the staff ran around picking up poop
bags which they probably could not have done in a union shop..

On 3/15/2013 9:28 AM, Gogarty wrote:
In article ,
says...


On 3/14/13 9:38 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/14/2013 7:56 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 3/14/2013 4:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/14/13 4:10 PM, Gogarty wrote:
Going to sea is a risk. I have no sympathy for people who start
yelling and
screaming (and contacting lawyers) when anything goes wrong. All
gangplanks
should have a huge sign "Board at your own risk."


There's an expectation that public conveyances are being maintained and
operated properly. Apparently that is not the case with the Carnival
cruise line ships and others that serve mainly U.S. ports but are flying
flags of convenience in nations that apparently aren't rigorous in
establishing, maintaining and enforcing standards.

Perhaps a solution might be to insist that these ships be U.S. flagged,
and therefore subject to U.S. rules regarding construction, operation,
crew training and safety. One rule might be that critical shipboard
personnel share a common language.



You're too funny.


I said a few weeks back this would come down to feeding more dirty
unions.... Just what we need, a thousand folks on board a disabled ship
that can't do anybody elses job or they might lose their card...


Seafarers are cross-trained, **** for brains. That means they are
professionally trained to handle emergencies aboard ships. We're not
talking about the kitchen crew or the cleaning crew.

Lordy, you are an ignorant little putz.

At sea the only crew the passengers see is the hotel staff. The people who
run the ship are all out of sight.

Were you blinded by golden shoulder boards?

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:26:58 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...


On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:07:25 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:59:07 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:09:43 -0400, wrote:

they had all of the systems going so it is not a Triumph thing.


Yeah, it's called a diarrhea thing.

What are you talking about. This is a generator failure, not a Norwalk
virus outbreak.

Just wait. It'll get to it eventually.

You are aware that even the Queen Mary 2 had an outbreak of norovirus
over the Christmas holiday.

I wasn't, but why would I want to be on a boat with 5K other people?

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:32:31 -0400, Gogarty wrote:

In article ,
says...


On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:26:58 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...


On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:07:25 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:59:07 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:09:43 -0400, wrote:

they had all of the systems going so it is not a Triumph thing.


Yeah, it's called a diarrhea thing.

What are you talking about. This is a generator failure, not a Norwalk
virus outbreak.

Just wait. It'll get to it eventually.

You are aware that even the Queen Mary 2 had an outbreak of norovirus
over the Christmas holiday.

I wasn't, but why would I want to be on a boat with 5K other people?

Had the same thought myself. But then I found it was like being in a small
town. You don't have to do anything or have anything to do with all those
other people. Just enjoy the sea. It's like Club Med in a can. We had just
two brief conversations with other people in seven days.

There sure are a lot of strange, misperceptions about a cruise on a ship!


Salmonbait

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Hope you're having a spectacular day!

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:32:31 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...


On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:26:58 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...


On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:07:25 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:59:07 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:09:43 -0400, wrote:

they had all of the systems going so it is not a Triumph thing.


Yeah, it's called a diarrhea thing.

What are you talking about. This is a generator failure, not a Norwalk
virus outbreak.

Just wait. It'll get to it eventually.

You are aware that even the Queen Mary 2 had an outbreak of norovirus
over the Christmas holiday.

I wasn't, but why would I want to be on a boat with 5K other people?

Had the same thought myself. But then I found it was like being in a small
town. You don't have to do anything or have anything to do with all those
other people. Just enjoy the sea. It's like Club Med in a can. We had just
two brief conversations with other people in seven days.

I could see a smaller boat up in Alaska or maybe one of those bigger
sailboats that take 50 people down in the Carib.

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.