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An article about medical costs
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:05:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:40:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... That blanket is thrown away. I bought one last month and they told me I could take it home if I wanted. I agree the prices are inflated. Brill points out several reasons why. No, it's not. Yes, you could take it home, but hospital soft goods are washed and re-used. The blanket they charge you for comes in a factory sealed bag and once the bag is opened, they throw it away. These are typically OR supplies and with the number of infections they get sued for they are not taking chances. That was straight from the OR nurse who sold me the blanket. Nope. Not true at all. I have direct knowledge in this. But, let's just say that your untrue statement was true. Do you think it's good prudent financial advice to pay 100 times or more for something that you could get elsewhere for 100 times less? If so, I have a LOT of things I'd like to sell you. According to him, you should pay the made up price. It's the American thing to do to keep the Romney's in clover. |
An article about medical costs
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:46:35 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:12:58 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:06:29 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:50:56 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:12:20 -0400, wrote: You forgot the development/approval cost and the lawyer tax. It probably cost $50 million just to get through FDA testing on the pen and the first person to get a bad outcome will be suing for another $50 million. Bull****. You prefer to blame everyone except the right wingers and the money that's in the poliitical system from the med lobby. There is plenty of blame to go around but you can't deny that the FDA procedures are part of it. That is why drugs and devices usually show up in Europe years before they are approved here. It is also why things can be cheaper there. Tell that to the people who died because of the lack of oversight of drug mixing pharmacies. What a load of ****. You actually think we need fewer regulations when it comes to drug safety? That has nothing to do with drug approval. They were operating outside the scope of their license and doing it poorly. It has everything to do with oversight. The FDA commissioner said she wished she had oversight. They don't. People died. I can see the ad on TV "Did you use the insulin pen and suffer anything bad at all? Call Dewey, Chetum and Howe. We have money for you" Your solution is to prevent people from being justly compensated. Why don't you bring up the McDonnalds hot coffee case if you'd like to look really stupid. You deny there are ads on TV trolling for customers? Why don't you accept that the lawyers are a big part of the problem? They are big business too. They are PART of the problem, but not the biggest or even close to biggest. Feel free to **** in the wind complaining about lawyers. We do almost nothing in this country to actually control medical costs. If Medicare "under-reimburses," those "lost profits" are assessed against someone else, either an insurance company or an individual. The insurance company covers its "losses" by overcharging its clients. In my wife's field of psychotherapy, psychiatrists charge about $200 per patient visit, and what do most of them do during that visit, which, typically, lasts about 15 minutes? They try to find out if the meds they are prescribing are "helping." They don't provide any therapy; that is left to various non-medically-degreed mental health professionals. Ever paid $20 for a Tylenol in a hospital? Or $15 for a package of facial tissues? It's cost-shifting. Some of that is simply the red tape required to meet all of the compliance requirements. ALL drugs in a hospital have inventory controls you would expect for tracking plutonium. Some of it is simply to control theft but, again, a lot of it is to mitigate liability The nurse can't simply go shake a tylenol out of the bottle and give it to you. They need an order from a doctor, they log it out of the pharmacy and track it from there to the patient's mouth. Unfortunately they have similar BS for everything you get and virtually nothing can be logged back into the system. The last time I was in the hospital for an outpatient procedure they issued me a pee bottle. I gave it back to them, still sealed in the plastic. They said "keep it, we can't give that to another patient now" It was about $20. Yeah, a small part of it. You accepted that $20 pee bottle without complaint right.. because your insurance was paying not you. That's part of the problem too. Read the Brill article again. I did not have a choice. I already bought the bottle when they pulled it from stock. I didn't even see it until I was leaving and it was in the bag of crap they sold me. Tha'ts right. You DIDNT have a choice. That's why the chargemaster **** has to stop and why the government needs to get involved. It's not a market driven business when half the market can't make a choice. If I actually had any control over paying the bill, I would not have given them a dime for that bottle. Which is my and Brill's point. The market doesn't work when the customer is isolated from the payment process. The market can't work the way it's set up. There's too much disparity between the seller of health services and the pootentially dying person. Chargemaster is just the price list at full retail. They could change the name if it would make you feel better but the concept will still be there. It is like that price on the back of a hotel door. NO IT ISNT. There's no such thing as "full retail". It's a MADE UP ****ING NUMBER THAT HAS NO BASIS IN REALITY. That was in Brill's article for **** sake. Can you write a sentence without saying ****. You act like you just learned the word. What a child. **** no. Can you write a sentence that makes ****ing sense? What a hypocrit. - sentence without ****. Are you some namby pamby that is afraid of sailor speak? - another one without **** in it. Of course there is full retail. That is the highest price someone can charge for an item that is deeply discounted most of the time. I guess you pay sticker price for your cars too. There's a full retail price that's made up and nobody pays except maybe the foreign rich and certainly the poor or without adequate insurance. That's not the "highest price someone can pay." I guess you don't remember Saturns. No negotiation, but the prices were reasonable. |
An article about medical costs
On 3/14/2013 11:39 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:05:35 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:48:19 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:39:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:02:08 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: The "medicare underpayments" are still OVER what the actual costs are, and since medicare CANT negotiate, those costs can't be lower. That would be a good first fix. Maybe you are one of those Venus Project people who think we should do away with money but as long as we have money, you need to pay more than "cost" just to keep the wheels of commerce turning. "Cost" for the MRI, still does not pay for keeping the building running. At a certain point you are cutting the pay and benefits for the workers who do that. I agree they over use tests but as long as we have lawyers picking apart every bad outcome, doctors are going to test everything they think might insulate them from liability. So.... You are okay with your insurance being charged $30.00 for a Tylenol? $25.00 for a blanket which is used and washed to be re-used over and over and can be bought online for $5.00? You do realize these VERY excessive costs trickle down to the consumer, right? I already said, most of that $30 is bureaucratic red tape to avoid liability. Just cause you said it doesn't make it a fact. It's bull****. Read the article. That blanket is thrown away. I bought one last month and they told me I could take it home if I wanted. I agree the prices are inflated. Brill points out several reasons why. Yet, you just said it was "bureaucratic". So, bull****. I know you hate it when I actually have knowledge but my first wife was a hospital administrator. I have already said the Charge Master should be a public record so people will know what the prices are. They should also publish what the various negotiated or Medicare capped prices are. And I said it should be outlawed. What the **** is it for? It's a funny number designed to rip people off. It is simply the full retail price they can charge and they make that a ridiculously high number, like that card on a hotel door. Only a moron actually pays that much There is nothing in this boondoggle that a little sunshine would not help. The main problem is that the customer is usually totally ignorant of what the price is that they pay. Most people never get much farther than "This is not a Bill" on that explanation of benefits statement. No that's not the main problem. The main problem is that the customer has little choice when they show up in the emergency room. You're going to shop around for a cardiologist while you're have a heart attack???? If we actually had to pay these bills, it would have never got this bad in the first place. The published price and the insurer cost are quite different. If you buy goods and services through the hospital they are usually several multiples of insurer cost. There are outfits that will arbitrate on your behalf to settle your hospital bill. |
An article about medical costs
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An article about medical costs
In article om,
says... On 3/14/2013 11:39 AM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:05:35 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:48:19 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:39:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:02:08 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: The "medicare underpayments" are still OVER what the actual costs are, and since medicare CANT negotiate, those costs can't be lower. That would be a good first fix. Maybe you are one of those Venus Project people who think we should do away with money but as long as we have money, you need to pay more than "cost" just to keep the wheels of commerce turning. "Cost" for the MRI, still does not pay for keeping the building running. At a certain point you are cutting the pay and benefits for the workers who do that. I agree they over use tests but as long as we have lawyers picking apart every bad outcome, doctors are going to test everything they think might insulate them from liability. So.... You are okay with your insurance being charged $30.00 for a Tylenol? $25.00 for a blanket which is used and washed to be re-used over and over and can be bought online for $5.00? You do realize these VERY excessive costs trickle down to the consumer, right? I already said, most of that $30 is bureaucratic red tape to avoid liability. Just cause you said it doesn't make it a fact. It's bull****. Read the article. That blanket is thrown away. I bought one last month and they told me I could take it home if I wanted. I agree the prices are inflated. Brill points out several reasons why. Yet, you just said it was "bureaucratic". So, bull****. I know you hate it when I actually have knowledge but my first wife was a hospital administrator. I have already said the Charge Master should be a public record so people will know what the prices are. They should also publish what the various negotiated or Medicare capped prices are. And I said it should be outlawed. What the **** is it for? It's a funny number designed to rip people off. It is simply the full retail price they can charge and they make that a ridiculously high number, like that card on a hotel door. Only a moron actually pays that much There is nothing in this boondoggle that a little sunshine would not help. The main problem is that the customer is usually totally ignorant of what the price is that they pay. Most people never get much farther than "This is not a Bill" on that explanation of benefits statement. No that's not the main problem. The main problem is that the customer has little choice when they show up in the emergency room. You're going to shop around for a cardiologist while you're have a heart attack???? If we actually had to pay these bills, it would have never got this bad in the first place. The published price and the insurer cost are quite different. If you buy goods and services through the hospital they are usually several multiples of insurer cost. There are outfits that will arbitrate on your behalf to settle your hospital bill. The prices in the Time article were just what they were, the cost of doing business with the hospital. |
An article about medical costs
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:08:25 -0400, Meyer wrote:
On 3/14/2013 11:39 AM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:05:35 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:48:19 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:39:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:02:08 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: The "medicare underpayments" are still OVER what the actual costs are, and since medicare CANT negotiate, those costs can't be lower. That would be a good first fix. Maybe you are one of those Venus Project people who think we should do away with money but as long as we have money, you need to pay more than "cost" just to keep the wheels of commerce turning. "Cost" for the MRI, still does not pay for keeping the building running. At a certain point you are cutting the pay and benefits for the workers who do that. I agree they over use tests but as long as we have lawyers picking apart every bad outcome, doctors are going to test everything they think might insulate them from liability. So.... You are okay with your insurance being charged $30.00 for a Tylenol? $25.00 for a blanket which is used and washed to be re-used over and over and can be bought online for $5.00? You do realize these VERY excessive costs trickle down to the consumer, right? I already said, most of that $30 is bureaucratic red tape to avoid liability. Just cause you said it doesn't make it a fact. It's bull****. Read the article. That blanket is thrown away. I bought one last month and they told me I could take it home if I wanted. I agree the prices are inflated. Brill points out several reasons why. Yet, you just said it was "bureaucratic". So, bull****. I know you hate it when I actually have knowledge but my first wife was a hospital administrator. I have already said the Charge Master should be a public record so people will know what the prices are. They should also publish what the various negotiated or Medicare capped prices are. And I said it should be outlawed. What the **** is it for? It's a funny number designed to rip people off. It is simply the full retail price they can charge and they make that a ridiculously high number, like that card on a hotel door. Only a moron actually pays that much There is nothing in this boondoggle that a little sunshine would not help. The main problem is that the customer is usually totally ignorant of what the price is that they pay. Most people never get much farther than "This is not a Bill" on that explanation of benefits statement. No that's not the main problem. The main problem is that the customer has little choice when they show up in the emergency room. You're going to shop around for a cardiologist while you're have a heart attack???? If we actually had to pay these bills, it would have never got this bad in the first place. The published price and the insurer cost are quite different. If you buy goods and services through the hospital they are usually several multiples of insurer cost. There are outfits that will arbitrate on your behalf to settle your hospital bill. They don't "settle" your bill, except that they can usually negotiate on your behalf to get some sort of discount on the made up price of chargemaster. You're still getting ripped off big time. |
An article about medical costs
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:58:23 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:05:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:40:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... That blanket is thrown away. I bought one last month and they told me I could take it home if I wanted. I agree the prices are inflated. Brill points out several reasons why. No, it's not. Yes, you could take it home, but hospital soft goods are washed and re-used. The blanket they charge you for comes in a factory sealed bag and once the bag is opened, they throw it away. These are typically OR supplies and with the number of infections they get sued for they are not taking chances. That was straight from the OR nurse who sold me the blanket. Nope. Not true at all. I have direct knowledge in this. But, let's just say that your untrue statement was true. Do you think it's good prudent financial advice to pay 100 times or more for something that you could get elsewhere for 100 times less? If so, I have a LOT of things I'd like to sell you. If they are selling you a blanket from the linen supply company, you have something going on that doesn't happen here. The one they sold me was a one time use blanket that came sealed in a factory bag. That was the only kind they had in the OR or OR prep and recovery rooms. Virtually everything there is one time use and thrown away if the package is opened. It all goes in a medical waste container. This is driven by concerns about Staph, MRSA and this new bacterial infection that antibiotics will not treat. The smell of hand sanitizer hung heavy in the air and there was a dispenser about every 20 feet everywhere you went. Anything laundered in a hospital is not just washed with cold water and Tide. Everything is washed in a sterile process. This includes bedding, gowns, scrubs, etc. Virtually everything is NOT one time use. And again, if something IS one time use, you don't have a problem with paying 100 times or more than what it's worth? That's right. Almost everything is reused if at all possible. |
An article about medical costs
On 3/13/2013 6:10 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:14:22 -0500, amdx wrote: On 3/11/2013 9:02 PM, Urin Asshole wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:07:39 -0500, amdx wrote: On 3/11/2013 7:51 PM, jps wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:59:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:10:12 -0700, jps wrote: Military and health care costs have spiraled out of control because no one wants to appear anti-defense or take on the huge $ in pharma, non-profit (cough, cough) hospitals, nor face the wrath of their campaign finance coffers. Medicine spends about 4 times as much lobby money into our politicians as the military industrial complex. That says where the $ is, doesn't it. Is there no end to Americans being shaken down for the enrichment of the wealthy? Is there no end to hard working taxpayers being shaken down for the enrichment of those who would rather while away the time until the first of the month to come around so they can get their benefits. Mikek Sure. That's the heart of the problem. Not the billions spent by the big corporations trying to get every last dime out of some guy who can barely feed his family. You're really either stupid or a ****. I think corporations are at least as smart as Willie Sutton. They are more likely to target those with money. They're in a commodity business... 4 billion hamburgs sold. You think McD's is tarketing Ronmey lookalikes? If so, you're pretty ****ing stupid. I don't get people living in the land of plenty and having such a problem surviving let alone thriving. I've seen immigrants arrive here not speaking the language and have assets over a million dollars in twenty years. Yeah, you don't get it. Most immigrants end up picking veggies in the fields for less than minimum wage, with no health insurance, and have to hide in the shadows. Or, they work in a meat packing family until either they're hurt of can't stand it any more. The immigrants that you're talking about typically have some sort of support network when they arrive, like Indians. North Korea doesn't have those evil corporations, need a plane ticket? Mikek I think I'd be happy to chip in on one for you. PS. The grim suggestion that North Koreans are turning to cannibalism were reported by the Asia Press, and published in the Sunday Times. They claim a 'hidden famine' in the farming provinces of North and South Hwanghae has killed 10,000 people, and there are fears that cannibalism is spreading throughout the country. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-8468781.html So? What the **** does that have to do with medical costs? You ****ing slimeball. Capitalism and our Constitution built one of the highest standards of living. North Korea's one party socialism one of lowest. You lose when I make you mad. Or are you smiling when you write, "****ing slimeball". :-) Mikek |
An article about medical costs
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:25:03 -0500, amdx
wrote: On 3/13/2013 6:10 PM, Urin Asshole wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:14:22 -0500, amdx wrote: On 3/11/2013 9:02 PM, Urin Asshole wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:07:39 -0500, amdx wrote: On 3/11/2013 7:51 PM, jps wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:59:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:10:12 -0700, jps wrote: Military and health care costs have spiraled out of control because no one wants to appear anti-defense or take on the huge $ in pharma, non-profit (cough, cough) hospitals, nor face the wrath of their campaign finance coffers. Medicine spends about 4 times as much lobby money into our politicians as the military industrial complex. That says where the $ is, doesn't it. Is there no end to Americans being shaken down for the enrichment of the wealthy? Is there no end to hard working taxpayers being shaken down for the enrichment of those who would rather while away the time until the first of the month to come around so they can get their benefits. Mikek Sure. That's the heart of the problem. Not the billions spent by the big corporations trying to get every last dime out of some guy who can barely feed his family. You're really either stupid or a ****. I think corporations are at least as smart as Willie Sutton. They are more likely to target those with money. They're in a commodity business... 4 billion hamburgs sold. You think McD's is tarketing Ronmey lookalikes? If so, you're pretty ****ing stupid. I don't get people living in the land of plenty and having such a problem surviving let alone thriving. I've seen immigrants arrive here not speaking the language and have assets over a million dollars in twenty years. Yeah, you don't get it. Most immigrants end up picking veggies in the fields for less than minimum wage, with no health insurance, and have to hide in the shadows. Or, they work in a meat packing family until either they're hurt of can't stand it any more. The immigrants that you're talking about typically have some sort of support network when they arrive, like Indians. North Korea doesn't have those evil corporations, need a plane ticket? Mikek I think I'd be happy to chip in on one for you. PS. The grim suggestion that North Koreans are turning to cannibalism were reported by the Asia Press, and published in the Sunday Times. They claim a 'hidden famine' in the farming provinces of North and South Hwanghae has killed 10,000 people, and there are fears that cannibalism is spreading throughout the country. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-8468781.html So? What the **** does that have to do with medical costs? You ****ing slimeball. Capitalism and our Constitution built one of the highest standards of living. North Korea's one party socialism one of lowest. You lose when I make you mad. Or are you smiling when you write, "****ing slimeball". :-) Mikek Regulated capitalism and unions, along with some visionary thought built this country. NK won't be around that much longer. I smile when you identify yourself as a slimeball. :-)) |
An article about medical costs
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:53:47 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:28:02 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:39:52 -0400, wrote: It is simply the full retail price they can charge and they make that a ridiculously high number, like that card on a hotel door. Only a moron actually pays that much They can charge anything they want. It has no basis in reality. It's a made up number. Read the article. You've said hotel room door. What the **** does that have to do with a do or die price? All prices are a made up number. Really? So, I guess capitalism is invalid. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Cost of buying something for the hospital is say $10. They add infrastructure of $1. They want to make a profit. So they add $300. That's completely bull**** right there. Then, they create chargemaster to legitimize the market up and "negotiate" with people without enough insurance and drop the cost to $150. For Medicare, they won't pay more than say $20. Oh what a bummer. The hospital only made a 200% profit. Almost forgot: **** |
An article about medical costs
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:54:43 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:29:18 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:55:17 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:40:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... That blanket is thrown away. I bought one last month and they told me I could take it home if I wanted. I agree the prices are inflated. Brill points out several reasons why. No, it's not. Yes, you could take it home, but hospital soft goods are washed and re-used. The blanket they charge you for comes in a factory sealed bag and once the bag is opened, they throw it away. These are typically OR supplies and with the number of infections they get sued for they are not taking chances. That was straight from the OR nurse who sold me the blanket. The OR nurse did "sell" you the blanket. They don't sell anything except their expert services to the hospital. When she cut open that bag I "bought" the blanket. Did you have a choice? Could you negotiate the price or did she just open it and you were stuck? Yeah, that's what I thought. |
An article about medical costs
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:38:53 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:10:42 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:53:47 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:28:02 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:39:52 -0400, wrote: It is simply the full retail price they can charge and they make that a ridiculously high number, like that card on a hotel door. Only a moron actually pays that much They can charge anything they want. It has no basis in reality. It's a made up number. Read the article. You've said hotel room door. What the **** does that have to do with a do or die price? All prices are a made up number. Really? So, I guess capitalism is invalid. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Cost of buying something for the hospital is say $10. They add infrastructure of $1. They want to make a profit. So they add $300. That's completely bull**** right there. Then, they create chargemaster to legitimize the market up and "negotiate" with people without enough insurance and drop the cost to $150. For Medicare, they won't pay more than say $20. Oh what a bummer. The hospital only made a 200% profit. Almost forgot: **** You certainly know **** but the rest of life seems to baffle you. Where was the allowance in your bookkeeping for non paying patients that come in the ER? I know how to **** if that's what you mean. Apparently you're pretty baffled or maybe you just need a high colonic. The allowance was accounted for in Brills examination. As I said, you're pulling this "gotta make a profit" bull**** outta your butt. |
An article about medical costs
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:45:26 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:11:38 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:54:43 -0400, wrote: When she cut open that bag I "bought" the blanket. Did you have a choice? Could you negotiate the price or did she just open it and you were stuck? Yeah, that's what I thought. I didn't ask for the blanket and I didn't even want it but it was given to me and "stuck" on my bill. I also did not really have standing to argue about it because the insurance paid (no doubt a lot less than $30). BTW for those who say the answer is "government medicine" I should point out this is a government owned and operated hospital with elected directors . So, you didn't have a choice. As I said, you don't care because your "insruance" paid. So, you're a big part of the problem. VA? So? At least they can negotiate prices for drugs. Unlike Medicare. |
An article about medical costs
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 11:01:05 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:03:07 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:45:26 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:11:38 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:54:43 -0400, wrote: When she cut open that bag I "bought" the blanket. Did you have a choice? Could you negotiate the price or did she just open it and you were stuck? Yeah, that's what I thought. I didn't ask for the blanket and I didn't even want it but it was given to me and "stuck" on my bill. I also did not really have standing to argue about it because the insurance paid (no doubt a lot less than $30). BTW for those who say the answer is "government medicine" I should point out this is a government owned and operated hospital with elected directors . So, you didn't have a choice. As I said, you don't care because your "insruance" paid. So, you're a big part of the problem. I have been saying all along, insurance is a big part of the problem. It isolates the patient from the bill. That's right. The problem is that the "bill" is made up nonsense. If you're an insurance company you can claim you're getting the patient a good deal. The answer is not to transfer the made up cost to the patient and have them "negotiate" when they're in the ER. The only way to stop this nonsense if for government intervention. It's not a free market system anyway so why pretend? Oh except if you're making 2000% profit or some such bs. VA? So? At least they can negotiate prices for drugs. Unlike Medicare. County owned hospital, a virtual monopoly here. Thus, you have no choice. |
An article about medical costs
In article ,
says... On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:03:07 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:45:26 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:11:38 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:54:43 -0400, wrote: When she cut open that bag I "bought" the blanket. Did you have a choice? Could you negotiate the price or did she just open it and you were stuck? Yeah, that's what I thought. I didn't ask for the blanket and I didn't even want it but it was given to me and "stuck" on my bill. I also did not really have standing to argue about it because the insurance paid (no doubt a lot less than $30). BTW for those who say the answer is "government medicine" I should point out this is a government owned and operated hospital with elected directors . So, you didn't have a choice. As I said, you don't care because your "insruance" paid. So, you're a big part of the problem. I have been saying all along, insurance is a big part of the problem. It isolates the patient from the bill. I can hear the sound of your head each time it hits the wall. Most people understand the problem but, Urin-ing-in-his-pants doesn't want to solve the problem, he just wants the issue. VA? So? At least they can negotiate prices for drugs. Unlike Medicare. County owned hospital, a virtual monopoly here. |
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