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On Saturday, 23 February 2013 21:23:11 UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/23/13 8:13 PM, Califbill wrote: wrote: On 23 Feb 2013 20:42:21 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote: wrote: It is the future of carrier aviation. The future of aviation may well be drones. Our government has shown a serious aversion to sending pilots in harms way, even if they want to go. Carriers are easy targets...stupid to invest in any more or new planes for them. $350 billion is a waste. When you are talking about a 1st world country like the Russians or Chinese, you are right. When they asked Zumwalt how long our carriers would last against the soviets he said "a couple days". On the other hand carriers are a great way to project power against 3d world countries but you don't need an F-35 to do that. The FA-18 is a very capable platform and can actually put more ordinance on target than the F35. They are not stealth but most of the people we bomb don't have radar. I still think the next generation of carrier aircraft will be the carrier drone. The F-35 may end up being the next B-1 or B-2. Very expensive, very capable but without a real enemy worthy of all of that capability. If you really just want to kill every MF in a quarter mile circle, it is hard to beat a 60 year old B-52 and they can still deliver precision munitions. That is no doubt the best bang for the buck that the US has ever had from a military development program. The problem is the military wants, fast sexy plane. Wasn't it the F20 where the general said 'not one pound for guns'? What we need is a follow on to the A10. We have decent air superiority fighters nw, but we need Sandies. Ground support killers. The no guns was a big problem on the original F5's in Viet Nam. There is no justification for spending the amounts of money being projected to build and maintain these F35's. -- I'm a *Liberal* because I knew the militant christian fundamentalist racist militaristic xenophobic corporate oligarchy wasn't going to work for me. Our dumb conservative govt jumped on the bandwagon to buy 65 of the planes. They even lied about the true long term costs. |
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On 2/23/13 8:44 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 23 February 2013 21:23:11 UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/23/13 8:13 PM, Califbill wrote: wrote: On 23 Feb 2013 20:42:21 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote: wrote: It is the future of carrier aviation. The future of aviation may well be drones. Our government has shown a serious aversion to sending pilots in harms way, even if they want to go. Carriers are easy targets...stupid to invest in any more or new planes for them. $350 billion is a waste. When you are talking about a 1st world country like the Russians or Chinese, you are right. When they asked Zumwalt how long our carriers would last against the soviets he said "a couple days". On the other hand carriers are a great way to project power against 3d world countries but you don't need an F-35 to do that. The FA-18 is a very capable platform and can actually put more ordinance on target than the F35. They are not stealth but most of the people we bomb don't have radar. I still think the next generation of carrier aircraft will be the carrier drone. The F-35 may end up being the next B-1 or B-2. Very expensive, very capable but without a real enemy worthy of all of that capability. If you really just want to kill every MF in a quarter mile circle, it is hard to beat a 60 year old B-52 and they can still deliver precision munitions. That is no doubt the best bang for the buck that the US has ever had from a military development program. The problem is the military wants, fast sexy plane. Wasn't it the F20 where the general said 'not one pound for guns'? What we need is a follow on to the A10. We have decent air superiority fighters nw, but we need Sandies. Ground support killers. The no guns was a big problem on the original F5's in Viet Nam. There is no justification for spending the amounts of money being projected to build and maintain these F35's. -- I'm a *Liberal* because I knew the militant christian fundamentalist racist militaristic xenophobic corporate oligarchy wasn't going to work for me. Our dumb conservative govt jumped on the bandwagon to buy 65 of the planes. They even lied about the true long term costs. There's enough military acquisition stupidity to go around. :( -- I'm a *Liberal* because I knew the militant christian fundamentalist racist militaristic xenophobic corporate oligarchy wasn't going to work for me. |
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Meyer wrote:
Harriet said: You really seem to have "issues" with the family members of people you don't like and haven't even meant. Perhaps if you didn't have so many physical and mental health issues, you'd be a more likeable person. It's mirror time again Harriet. "Haven't even *meant*"? That wasn't a typo. It was anger, haste, and trouble collecting your thoughts. Why don't you take a break from REC.BOATS and concentrate on resolving your own health issues? And tax issues. |
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On 2/23/2013 10:34 PM, Earl wrote:
Meyer wrote: Harriet said: You really seem to have "issues" with the family members of people you don't like and haven't even meant. Perhaps if you didn't have so many physical and mental health issues, you'd be a more likeable person. It's mirror time again Harriet. "Haven't even *meant*"? That wasn't a typo. It was anger, haste, and trouble collecting your thoughts. Why don't you take a break from REC.BOATS and concentrate on resolving your own health issues? And tax issues. harry and his "fans" are enjoying this all too much... It's kind of like folks who watch that honey boo boo thing, I guess somehow makes them feel better. When I am looking for that, I watch music vids on youtube... but that's just me... |
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says... On Sunday, 24 February 2013 10:24:26 UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 2/23/2013 10:34 PM, Earl wrote: Meyer wrote: Harriet said: You really seem to have "issues" with the family members of people you don't like and haven't even meant. Perhaps if you didn't have so many physical and mental health issues, you'd be a more likeable person. It's mirror time again Harriet. "Haven't even *meant*"? That wasn't a typo. It was anger, haste, and trouble collecting your thoughts. Why don't you take a break from REC.BOATS and concentrate on resolving your own health issues? And tax issues. harry and his "fans" are enjoying this all too much... It's kind of like folks who watch that honey boo boo thing, I guess somehow makes them feel better. When I am looking for that, I watch music vids on youtube... but that's just me... Yes, watching your insane denial and bull**** IS a lot like watching that honey boo boo thing. I have to admit..groving up down by the waterfront, in a slightly seedy area we ran into a number of unfortunate characters like Snottie...most without the support of family. At the time we found their crazy, drink fueled rantings and ravings amusing so we would egg them on. It wasn't right then and I shouldn't be doing it now except that Snottie is so nasty and vulgar that it's hard to stop. I plead with Snottie to get help and stop this lunacy..if not for his sake, for my soul's sake. Others have suggested he seek help as well, but he's in complete denial, just watch, it's everybody else's fault but his. |
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On 2/24/13 10:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Sunday, 24 February 2013 10:24:26 UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 2/23/2013 10:34 PM, Earl wrote: Meyer wrote: Harriet said: You really seem to have "issues" with the family members of people you don't like and haven't even meant. Perhaps if you didn't have so many physical and mental health issues, you'd be a more likeable person. It's mirror time again Harriet. "Haven't even *meant*"? That wasn't a typo. It was anger, haste, and trouble collecting your thoughts. Why don't you take a break from REC.BOATS and concentrate on resolving your own health issues? And tax issues. harry and his "fans" are enjoying this all too much... It's kind of like folks who watch that honey boo boo thing, I guess somehow makes them feel better. When I am looking for that, I watch music vids on youtube... but that's just me... Yes, watching your insane denial and bull**** IS a lot like watching that honey boo boo thing. I have to admit..groving up down by the waterfront, in a slightly seedy area we ran into a number of unfortunate characters like Snottie...most without the support of family. At the time we found their crazy, drink fueled rantings and ravings amusing so we would egg them on. It wasn't right then and I shouldn't be doing it now except that Snottie is so nasty and vulgar that it's hard to stop. I plead with Snottie to get help and stop this lunacy..if not for his sake, for my soul's sake. Others have suggested he seek help as well, but he's in complete denial, just watch, it's everybody else's fault but his. It's my fault because I posted the name of his super secret supplier of ammo I'll never call. :) |
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On 2/24/2013 10:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Sunday, 24 February 2013 10:24:26 UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 2/23/2013 10:34 PM, Earl wrote: Meyer wrote: Harriet said: You really seem to have "issues" with the family members of people you don't like and haven't even meant. Perhaps if you didn't have so many physical and mental health issues, you'd be a more likeable person. It's mirror time again Harriet. "Haven't even *meant*"? That wasn't a typo. It was anger, haste, and trouble collecting your thoughts. Why don't you take a break from REC.BOATS and concentrate on resolving your own health issues? And tax issues. harry and his "fans" are enjoying this all too much... It's kind of like folks who watch that honey boo boo thing, I guess somehow makes them feel better. When I am looking for that, I watch music vids on youtube... but that's just me... Yes, watching your insane denial and bull**** IS a lot like watching that honey boo boo thing. I have to admit..groving up down by the waterfront, in a slightly seedy area we ran into a number of unfortunate characters like Snottie...most without the support of family. At the time we found their crazy, drink fueled rantings and ravings amusing so we would egg them on. It wasn't right then and I shouldn't be doing it now except that Snottie is so nasty and vulgar that it's hard to stop. I plead with Snottie to get help and stop this lunacy..if not for his sake, for my soul's sake. Others have suggested he seek help as well, but he's in complete denial, just watch, it's everybody else's fault but his. For a while I counted on the others here seeing how much pleasure guys like you and harry take from all this... guess I over estimated them:( Now it's clear most of them admit they are here for the same reason.. ugh... Later guys, have fun.... |
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On 2/24/13 11:06 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
For a while I counted on the others here seeing how much pleasure guys like you and harry take from all this... guess I over estimated them:( Now it's clear most of them admit they are here for the same reason.. ugh... Later guys, have fun.... *You* are responsible for your own angst. How's that blackmail thingie working for you? |
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