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Bob Cook July 17th 03 10:11 PM

Decided on Dry Tortugas
 
Hmmm...that's easy...

I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine
Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement provisions,
and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty
for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to
the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel
is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs,
plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the
cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you
may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the Florida
Keys.

Bob Cook

Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com
Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing,
Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries




RichH July 17th 03 10:34 PM

Decided on Dry Tortugas
 
How? Answer: "democrats"...... and their trial attorney surrogates!

Don W. wrote:
Wow!

That is just plain nuts, and far out of proportion with the damage
to the environment. Are we becoming a reactionary nation or what?
For a lot of less well-off boaters, that translates to:

"If you run hard aground we will take everything you own including
your house, car, and boat."

How did we get to this point?

Don W.

Bob Cook wrote:

Hmmm...that's easy...

I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine
Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement provisions,
and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty
for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to
the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel
is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs,
plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the
cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you
may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the Florida
Keys.

Bob Cook

Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com
Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing,
Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries




Don W. July 17th 03 10:35 PM

Decided on Dry Tortugas
 
Wow!

That is just plain nuts, and far out of proportion with the damage
to the environment. Are we becoming a reactionary nation or what?
For a lot of less well-off boaters, that translates to:

"If you run hard aground we will take everything you own including
your house, car, and boat."

How did we get to this point?

Don W.

Bob Cook wrote:

Hmmm...that's easy...

I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine
Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement provisions,
and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty
for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to
the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel
is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs,
plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the
cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you
may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the Florida
Keys.

Bob Cook

Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com
Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing,
Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries


NH_/\)_ July 21st 03 02:31 PM

Decided on Dry Tortugas
 
Do they have a website? ... to prove these costs?

NH_/)_

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http://nortech-cs.com/sailusa/index4.htm
"Bob Cook" wrote in message
...
Hmmm...that's easy...

I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine
Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement

provisions,
and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty
for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage

to
the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the

vessel
is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs,
plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the
cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you
may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the

Florida
Keys.

Bob Cook

Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com
Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing,
Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries







Rick & Linda Bernard July 21st 03 10:12 PM

Decided on Dry Tortugas
 
Isn't the answer simple. Get charts, know where you are, and stay with in
the marked channels and you will be ok. Or am I missing something.

Thousands of boaters have gone there with less knowledge and have not
damaged anything. I have never boated there but am aware of their respect
of the sea grass.



"NH_/)_" wrote in message
. com...
Do they have a website? ... to prove these costs?

NH_/)_

--------
http://nortech-cs.com/sailusa/index4.htm
"Bob Cook" wrote in message
...
Hmmm...that's easy...

I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine
Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement

provisions,
and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a

penalty
for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal

damage
to
the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the

vessel
is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs,
plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the
cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So

you
may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the

Florida
Keys.

Bob Cook

Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com
Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing,
Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries









Jeff Morris July 21st 03 11:53 PM

Decided on Dry Tortugas
 
These fines were all for deliberate fishing:
http://www.fknms.nos.noaa.gov/news/p...ase/fines.html

The fines for minor groundings are far more modest - but they could surprise someone:
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/coastal/s...mage_costs.htm

"NH_/)_" wrote in message
. com...
Do they have a website? ... to prove these costs?

NH_/)_

--------
http://nortech-cs.com/sailusa/index4.htm
"Bob Cook" wrote in message
...
Hmmm...that's easy...

I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine
Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement

provisions,
and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty
for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage

to
the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the

vessel
is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs,
plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the
cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you
may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the

Florida
Keys.

Bob Cook

Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com
Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing,
Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries









NH_/\)_ July 22nd 03 12:16 AM

Decided on Dry Tortugas
 
Thanks Jeff will defiantly check it out

NH_/)_



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
These fines were all for deliberate fishing:
http://www.fknms.nos.noaa.gov/news/p...ase/fines.html

The fines for minor groundings are far more modest - but they could

surprise someone:
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/coastal/s...mage_costs.htm

"NH_/)_" wrote in message
. com...
Do they have a website? ... to prove these costs?

NH_/)_

--------
http://nortech-cs.com/sailusa/index4.htm
"Bob Cook" wrote in message
...
Hmmm...that's easy...

I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine
Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement

provisions,
and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a

penalty
for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal

damage
to
the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the

vessel
is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration

costs,
plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus

the
cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So

you
may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the

Florida
Keys.

Bob Cook

Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com
Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing,
Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries












Mark Borgerson July 22nd 03 06:42 AM

Decided on Dry Tortugas
 
In article , "NH_/\)
_" says...
Thanks Jeff will defiantly check it out

NH_/)_



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
These fines were all for deliberate fishing:
http://www.fknms.nos.noaa.gov/news/p...ase/fines.html

The fines for minor groundings are far more modest - but they could

surprise someone:
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/coastal/s...mage_costs.htm

"NH_/)_" wrote in message
. com...
Do they have a website? ... to prove these costs?

NH_/)_

--------
http://nortech-cs.com/sailusa/index4.htm
"Bob Cook" wrote in message
...
Hmmm...that's easy...

I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine
Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement
provisions,
and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a

penalty
for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal

damage
to
the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the
vessel
is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration

costs,
plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus

the
cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So

you
may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the
Florida
Keys.

Bob Cook

Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com
Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing,
Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries












For another take on the Dry Tortugas, pick up a copy of 'Flashback' by
Nevada Barr. It's an interesting mystery about a woman park ranger
stationed at Fort Jefferson.

Mark Borgerson




Terry Spragg July 22nd 03 02:17 PM

Decided on Dry Tortugas
 


"Don W." wrote:

Wow!

That is just plain nuts, and far out of proportion with the damage
to the environment. Are we becoming a reactionary nation or what?
For a lot of less well-off boaters, that translates to:

"If you run hard aground we will take everything you own including
your house, car, and boat."



-unless you are a corporation with one dollar of capitalisation,
and an old boat. Check out the bankruptcy laws of florida before
you criticise their strategy to keep tourist in the high priced
bars.



How did we get to this point?

Don W.

Bob Cook wrote:

Hmmm...that's easy...

I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine
Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement provisions,
and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty
for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to
the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel
is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs,
plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the
cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you
may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the Florida
Keys.

Bob Cook

Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com
Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing,
Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries


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