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The Miami Herald
Posted on Sat, Dec. 10, 2011
How some states rein in charter school abuses

BY KATHLEEN McGRORY AND SCOTT HIAASEN

Florida’s charter school law, which makes it easy to open charter
schools and difficult to monitor them, has spurred a multimillion dollar
industry and a school boom — all while leading to chronic governance
problems and a higher-than-average rate of school failure.

Nationally, about 12 percent of all charter schools that have opened in
the past two decades have shut down, according to the National Resource
Center on Charter School Finance & Governance. In Florida, the failure
rate is double, state records show.

The bulk of charter school problems have surfaced in states like Florida
that have “a large number of charter schools and rapid growth,” said
Gary Miron, an education professor at Western Michigan University who
studies the charter school industry. In many cases, Miron said, the
agencies charged with oversight were underfunded.

Experts say some of the problems, both financial and academic, could be
avoided if charter school authorizers were stricter in issuing school
charters. (In Florida, local school districts and colleges can authorize
charter schools.)

“Florida has one of the most liberal laws as far as establishing a
charter school goes,” said Jeffrey Grove, a research associate for the
nonpartisan Southern Regional Educational Board.

Florida law also is hands-off when it comes to existing charter schools,
giving operators the power to run schools with little oversight from the
state or local school districts. Districts can close a charter school,
but only if the school is in extreme financial distress or chronically
low performing. Other than that, there is little a district can do when
academic, financial or governance problems arise.

States have developed their own ways of overseeing charter schools and,
in particular, protecting against conflicts of interest.

Some are stricter than others. For example, Pennsylvania and
Massachusetts both require charter school administrators and board
members to file financial disclosure forms. Florida law requires
financial disclosure forms only for board members on charter schools
sponsored by municipalities.

Guilbert Hentschke, an education professor at the University of Southern
California who studies charter school management issues, said requiring
financial disclosures is an effective way to make sure potential
conflicts are aired publicly — and to discourage conflicts before they
arise.

“That’s the thing you look for first,” Hentschke said.

Some states also maintain greater control over who can serve on a
charter school’s governing board, which typically decides school
policies and approves contracts. Michigan, New York and Massachusetts
require authorizers to formally approve the members of a charter school
board. Several states require at least one board member to be a parent
of a student in the school; some states require a schoolteacher on the
board.

In Florida, anyone can serve on a charter school board, though all
potential members must first pass a criminal background check.

States also exercise varying levels of control over charter schools’
finances and business transactions.

Arizona requires all charter schools to follow the state’s competitive
bidding rules for any goods or services purchased with tax dollars.
Delaware also requires charter schools to use the state’s purchasing
system. And at least three states — New York, New Mexico and Tennessee —
ban for-profit companies from managing charter schools.

Florida charter schools are exempt from competitive bidding rules, and
there are no restrictions on for-profit management companies.

Experts say the most effective charter school laws are those that strike
a balance between accountability and flexibility.

“Of course states want to preempt business practices that work against
the interests of students and taxpayers,” said Bryan Hassel, co-director
of the national education consulting firm Public Impact. “The question
is how to do that without restricting deals that would actually be good
for students and taxpayers — and without piling on cumbersome
restrictions that burden everyone, including law-abiding schools.”

There is significant debate over how to achieve that balance.

The model charter school law created by the National Alliance for Public
Charter Schools, a lobbying and support organization, does not speak to
competitive bidding or guidelines on selecting governing board members.
It does, however, include a provision that governing boards operate
independently from management companies — and that conflicts of
interests between the two entities be disclosed and explained in the
charter.

“What’s key is that the responsibilities of the two organizations be
well defined and consistent with statute,” said Martin West, a professor
of education at Harvard University’s Graduate School of Education.

Patricia Levesque, executive director for the Foundation for Florida’s
Future, an education think tank created by former Gov. Jeb Bush that
supports charter schools, is cautious about adding new regulations to
Florida’s charter school law.

“When a bad actor is identified and dealt with, that is the system
working,” Levesque said. “That doesn’t mean a new law needs to be passed
to prohibit anything bad from ever happening.”

Robert Haag, president of the Florida Consortium for Public Charter
Schools, said he would like to see charter schools regulate themselves.
He suggested the creation of a statewide grievance commission to hold
failing and financially troubled charter schools more accountable.

“We want to look at the issues, address them and move on,” Haag said.

Charter school critics, however, support stronger regulations in Florida
and other states.

Diane Ravitch, a former U.S. assistant secretary of education under
Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, said the law should
explicitly prohibit charter schools from screening out low-performing
children. She also believes pay for charter school executives should be
capped at no more than that of local school superintendents.

“The public should recognize that there are some very good charters and
there are others that are in it for the money,” Ravitch wrote in an
email to The Herald.

To Grove, who researches charter school authorizers for the Southern
Regional Education Board, the overall goal should be guaranteeing
quality charter schools. Making changes to state law, he said, will only
go so far.

“In the end, it comes down to will,” he said.


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On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:36:29 -0500, ESAD wrote:

“When a bad actor is identified and dealt with, that is the system
working,” Levesque said. “That doesn’t mean a new law needs to be passed
to prohibit anything bad from ever happening.”

Looks like some states still have work to do on their charter school system. Most states appear to
be doing quite well.

Anything's better than union-run schools, but those comparisons don't seem to show up.

Thanks, ESAD, for showing us how well charter schools are doing in most states.

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On 1/6/13 10:35 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:36:29 -0500, ESAD wrote:

“When a bad actor is identified and dealt with, that is the system
working,” Levesque said. “That doesn’t mean a new law needs to be passed
to prohibit anything bad from ever happening.”

Looks like some states still have work to do on their charter school system. Most states appear to
be doing quite well.

Anything's better than union-run schools, but those comparisons don't seem to show up.

Thanks, ESAD, for showing us how well charter schools are doing in most states.


Your personal agenda has nothing to do with quality education, safe
streets, or anything else that promotes a decent life for all Americans.
You're a bigot, a racist, a right-wing mealy worm, and, thankfully, part
of a dying breed. This country is moving forward, and you and your
fellow nattering nabobs of negativity will be left behind.

For Profit Charter Schools: Fraud, Fraud, Fraud
 

In article , says...

On 1/6/13 10:35 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:36:29 -0500, ESAD wrote:

?When a bad actor is identified and dealt with, that is the system
working,? Levesque said. ?That doesn?t mean a new law needs to be passed
to prohibit anything bad from ever happening.?

Looks like some states still have work to do on their charter school system. Most states appear to
be doing quite well.

Anything's better than union-run schools, but those comparisons don't seem to show up.

Thanks, ESAD, for showing us how well charter schools are doing in most states.


Your personal agenda has nothing to do with quality education, safe
streets, or anything else that promotes a decent life for all Americans.
You're a bigot, a racist, a right-wing mealy worm, and, thankfully, part
of a dying breed. This country is moving forward, and you and your
fellow nattering nabobs of negativity will be left behind.


What are you and your ilk going to do when you run out of other people's
money? We know that you, Harry Krause, and other liberals from the top
to the bottom of the wealth scale, do not pay your taxes. You whine and
complain that the Republicans are not paying their fair share. The
problem is that you won't define fair share due to the fact that you
liberals will all be found out to be so far below paying your fair share
that it will back-fire on you.

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"ESAD" wrote in message ...

This country is moving forward, and you and your
fellow nattering nabobs of negativity will be left behind.

----------------------------------------

I am not sure we are actually moving forward. More like listing
heavily to port, I think.

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On 1/6/13 2:10 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"ESAD" wrote in message ...

This country is moving forward, and you and your
fellow nattering nabobs of negativity will be left behind.

----------------------------------------

I am not sure we are actually moving forward. More like listing
heavily to port, I think.




More like listing to the center.

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On 1/6/2013 3:01 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 1/6/13 2:10 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"ESAD" wrote in message ...

This country is moving forward, and you and your
fellow nattering nabobs of negativity will be left behind.

----------------------------------------

I am not sure we are actually moving forward. More like listing
heavily to port, I think.




More like listing to the center.

You don't make any sense. Never have. Never will. Whoever learned you
English should be shot.

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On 06/01/2013 8:35 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:36:29 -0500, ESAD wrote:

“When a bad actor is identified and dealt with, that is the system
working,” Levesque said. “That doesn’t mean a new law needs to be passed
to prohibit anything bad from ever happening.”

Looks like some states still have work to do on their charter school system. Most states appear to
be doing quite well.

Anything's better than union-run schools, but those comparisons don't seem to show up.

Thanks, ESAD, for showing us how well charter schools are doing in most states.


Unions would not want a true comparison. Fact is unions cost more and
deliver less on average.


--
Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and
other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay
for it leave, they can all share having nothing but debt and discontentment.

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On 1/6/13 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:36:29 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Nationally, about 12 percent of all charter schools that have opened in
the past two decades have shut down, according to the National Resource
Center on Charter School Finance & Governance. In Florida, the failure
rate is double, state records show.

If the public school failure rate was even close to being below 24%
with 2 to 3 times the funding, you would have an argument.

These charter schools tend to address the toughest students in places
where the public system has failed.
I would agree most of the problem in these places lie with the lack of
responsible parents but it is no more the fault of the charter system
than it is the public system..


Charter schools tend to cherry pick their students, and then dismiss the
"unruly" ones at a much higher rate than public schools.

For Profit Charter Schools: Fraud, Fraud, Fraud
 

In article , says...

On 1/6/13 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:36:29 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Nationally, about 12 percent of all charter schools that have opened in
the past two decades have shut down, according to the National Resource
Center on Charter School Finance & Governance. In Florida, the failure
rate is double, state records show.

If the public school failure rate was even close to being below 24%
with 2 to 3 times the funding, you would have an argument.

These charter schools tend to address the toughest students in places
where the public system has failed.
I would agree most of the problem in these places lie with the lack of
responsible parents but it is no more the fault of the charter system
than it is the public system..


Charter schools tend to cherry pick their students, and then dismiss the
"unruly" ones at a much higher rate than public schools.

Shouldn't the union baby sitters in the public schools have to take care
of the unruly students?

For Profit Charter Schools: Fraud, Fraud, Fraud
 

On 1/6/2013 8:57 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 1/6/13 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:36:29 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Nationally, about 12 percent of all charter schools that have opened in
the past two decades have shut down, according to the National Resource
Center on Charter School Finance & Governance. In Florida, the failure
rate is double, state records show.

If the public school failure rate was even close to being below 24%
with 2 to 3 times the funding, you would have an argument.

These charter schools tend to address the toughest students in places
where the public system has failed.
I would agree most of the problem in these places lie with the lack of
responsible parents but it is no more the fault of the charter system
than it is the public system..


Charter schools tend to cherry pick their students, and then dismiss the
"unruly" ones at a much higher rate than public schools.

Shouldn't the union baby sitters in the public schools have to take care
of the unruly students?


They are union, and that would be work... Also it would mean they would
have to give a ****...

For Profit Charter Schools: Fraud, Fraud, Fraud
 

On 1/6/13 11:17 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2013 8:57 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 1/6/13 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:36:29 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Nationally, about 12 percent of all charter schools that have
opened in
the past two decades have shut down, according to the National
Resource
Center on Charter School Finance & Governance. In Florida, the failure
rate is double, state records show.

If the public school failure rate was even close to being below 24%
with 2 to 3 times the funding, you would have an argument.

These charter schools tend to address the toughest students in places
where the public system has failed.
I would agree most of the problem in these places lie with the lack of
responsible parents but it is no more the fault of the charter system
than it is the public system..


Charter schools tend to cherry pick their students, and then dismiss the
"unruly" ones at a much higher rate than public schools.

Shouldn't the union baby sitters in the public schools have to take care
of the unruly students?


They are union, and that would be work... Also it would mean they would
have to give a ****...

Little Snot speaks from the experience of not being able to hold down a
job as a crate stacker in a unionized food warehouse.

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On Monday, January 7, 2013 7:49:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote:
On 1/6/13 11:17 PM, JustWait wrote:

On 1/6/2013 8:57 PM, BAR wrote:

In article , says...



On 1/6/13 1:09 PM, wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:36:29 -0500, ESAD wrote:



Nationally, about 12 percent of all charter schools that have

opened in

the past two decades have shut down, according to the National

Resource

Center on Charter School Finance & Governance. In Florida, the failure

rate is double, state records show.



If the public school failure rate was even close to being below 24%

with 2 to 3 times the funding, you would have an argument.



These charter schools tend to address the toughest students in places

where the public system has failed.

I would agree most of the problem in these places lie with the lack of

responsible parents but it is no more the fault of the charter system

than it is the public system..





Charter schools tend to cherry pick their students, and then dismiss the

"unruly" ones at a much higher rate than public schools.



Shouldn't the union baby sitters in the public schools have to take care

of the unruly students?





They are union, and that would be work... Also it would mean they would

have to give a ****...



Little Snot speaks from the experience of not being able to hold down a

job as a crate stacker in a unionized food warehouse.

That's because he doesn't "give a ****" about doing an honest days work.

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On 1/7/13 7:55 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 7, 2013 7:49:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote:
On 1/6/13 11:17 PM, JustWait wrote:

On 1/6/2013 8:57 PM, BAR wrote:

In article , says...



On 1/6/13 1:09 PM, wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:36:29 -0500, ESAD wrote:



Nationally, about 12 percent of all charter schools that have

opened in

the past two decades have shut down, according to the National

Resource

Center on Charter School Finance & Governance. In Florida, the failure

rate is double, state records show.



If the public school failure rate was even close to being below 24%

with 2 to 3 times the funding, you would have an argument.



These charter schools tend to address the toughest students in places

where the public system has failed.

I would agree most of the problem in these places lie with the lack of

responsible parents but it is no more the fault of the charter system

than it is the public system..





Charter schools tend to cherry pick their students, and then dismiss the

"unruly" ones at a much higher rate than public schools.



Shouldn't the union baby sitters in the public schools have to take care

of the unruly students?





They are union, and that would be work... Also it would mean they would

have to give a ****...



Little Snot speaks from the experience of not being able to hold down a

job as a crate stacker in a unionized food warehouse.

That's because he doesn't "give a ****" about doing an honest days work.



And doesn't know what an honest day's work is...

For Profit Charter Schools: Fraud, Fraud, Fraud
 

In article , says...

On 1/6/2013 8:57 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 1/6/13 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:36:29 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Nationally, about 12 percent of all charter schools that have opened in
the past two decades have shut down, according to the National Resource
Center on Charter School Finance & Governance. In Florida, the failure
rate is double, state records show.

If the public school failure rate was even close to being below 24%
with 2 to 3 times the funding, you would have an argument.

These charter schools tend to address the toughest students in places
where the public system has failed.
I would agree most of the problem in these places lie with the lack of
responsible parents but it is no more the fault of the charter system
than it is the public system..


Charter schools tend to cherry pick their students, and then dismiss the
"unruly" ones at a much higher rate than public schools.

Shouldn't the union baby sitters in the public schools have to take care
of the unruly students?


They are union, and that would be work... Also it would mean they would
have to give a ****...

Wow, awhile back you were very proud that your daughter allegedly
graduated from public school, why the change of heart?

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On Sun, 6 Jan 2013 14:10:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"ESAD" wrote in message ...

This country is moving forward, and you and your
fellow nattering nabobs of negativity will be left behind.

----------------------------------------

I am not sure we are actually moving forward. More like listing
heavily to port, I think.


No ****. The same fool who disparages the education in this country praises the public schools not
doing their job.

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On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:12:54 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:30:40 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 1/6/13 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:36:29 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Nationally, about 12 percent of all charter schools that have opened in
the past two decades have shut down, according to the National Resource
Center on Charter School Finance & Governance. In Florida, the failure
rate is double, state records show.

If the public school failure rate was even close to being below 24%
with 2 to 3 times the funding, you would have an argument.

These charter schools tend to address the toughest students in places
where the public system has failed.
I would agree most of the problem in these places lie with the lack of
responsible parents but it is no more the fault of the charter system
than it is the public system..


Charter schools tend to cherry pick their students, and then dismiss the
"unruly" ones at a much higher rate than public schools.

Is that a bad thing? Why should thugs and morons be the lowest common
denominator in schools, setting the level for everyone else?
I know everyone likes to point to European schools as a model but the
first thing you see there is they discriminate against students who
can't keep up and who are dragging the rest of the class down.
They get sent to "academically challenged kid" school and end up as
laborers if they can't compete in more advanced classes.

We will not do that here because they would not like the lack of
diversity that results ... in both schools ... even when challenged
kid school gets the most money (Montgomery County got in trouble for
that)

===

Some public schools seem to do a better job of side stepping that
issue than others by creating a "school within a school" that has
invisible walls. Both of my kids attended public schools with a very
diverse student body but those with good learning skills and academic
potential had their own program for all intents and purposes. It
seemed to work well for everyone and I never heard any complaints
about discrimination. Kids who were disruptive were dealt with very
firmly.