What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

At least half the posters in here constantly accuse each other of avoiding their tax paying responsibilities.
To an outside observer it seems that precious few 'mericans are interested in paying their fair share....especially those who could easily do so.
The way we do it is to elect a petty dictator every four years or so and if they have aa majority in the House of Commons, do exactly as they wish when they want. None of this months long wrangling.
I can see where your separation of power can be a safeguard in some circumstances but can also be a real hinderance to effective government in times like this.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

On Monday, December 31, 2012 9:50:27 AM UTC-4, wrote:
At least half the posters in here constantly accuse each other of avoiding their tax paying responsibilities.

To an outside observer it seems that precious few 'mericans are interested in paying their fair share....especially those who could easily do so.

The way we do it is to elect a petty dictator every four years or so and if they have aa majority in the House of Commons, do exactly as they wish when they want. None of this months long wrangling.

I can see where your separation of power can be a safeguard in some circumstances but can also be a real hinderance to effective government in times like this.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

In article ,
says...

At least half the posters in here constantly accuse each other of avoiding their tax paying responsibilities.
To an outside observer it seems that precious few 'mericans are interested in paying their fair share....especially those who could easily do so.
The way we do it is to elect a petty dictator every four years or so and if they have aa majority in the House of Commons, do exactly as they wish when they want. None of this months long wrangling.
I can see where your separation of power can be a safeguard in some circumstances but can also be a real hinderance to effective government in times like this.

Talk to your buddy Harry about that.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these
people have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

On Dec 31, 8:14*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, *it now appears that any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. * Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these
people have. *That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, *eliminate their federal pension. * Require them to pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. * Make them buy it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. * No more lifetime politicians.

The bad part is ... who and/or what do we replace them with?

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

On 12/31/12 9:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these
people have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

The bad part is ... who and/or what do we replace them with?


Precisely.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

On 12/31/2012 8:50 AM, wrote:
At least half the posters in here constantly accuse each other of avoiding their tax paying responsibilities.
To an outside observer it seems that precious few 'mericans are interested in paying their fair share....especially those who could easily do so.
The way we do it is to elect a petty dictator every four years or so and if they have aa majority in the House of Commons, do exactly as they wish when they want. None of this months long wrangling.
I can see where your separation of power can be a safeguard in some circumstances but can also be a real hinderance to effective government in times like this.


You're as loony as your neer do well cousin, Krause.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

On 12/31/2012 9:14 AM, Eisboch wrote:


I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real world
could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these people
have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.


Spoken like a true patriot.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

On 12/31/2012 9:59 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/31/12 9:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these
people have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

The bad part is ... who and/or what do we replace them with?


Precisely.

So your answer is twiddle your thumbs. Idiot.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

On Monday, December 31, 2012 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name

calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that any

last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing

to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.



Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.



Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real

world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these

people have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.



Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to pay

into Social Security like anyone else.

Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy it

like everyone else.



Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

All good points.
Up here they finally put a cap on the age of Senerators appointed by the govt in power. They have to retire at age 75..where previously it was a term for life.
In our system, the Senate is supposed to be a body of sober second thought, but in reality just an expensive big rubber stamp.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:14:38 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these
people have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

===

Good plan. I'll vote for it.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

"ESAD" wrote in message
m...

On 12/31/12 9:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that
any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely
nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as
these
people have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to
pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy
it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

The bad part is ... who and/or what do we replace them with?


Precisely.

---------------------------------------

Maybe I am naive, but I think there must be conscientious citizens
with a patriotic streak that would be willing to serve their country.
They can still promote and work for the interests of their
constituency. Being a member of the House of Representatives or a
Senator for one or two terms is still quite an achievement for anyone.
Pay them well for their time served, but after that they revert back
to private citizens.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

In article ,
says...

"ESAD" wrote in message
m...

On 12/31/12 9:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that
any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely
nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as
these
people have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to
pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy
it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

The bad part is ... who and/or what do we replace them with?


Precisely.

---------------------------------------

Maybe I am naive, but I think there must be conscientious citizens
with a patriotic streak that would be willing to serve their country.
They can still promote and work for the interests of their
constituency. Being a member of the House of Representatives or a
Senator for one or two terms is still quite an achievement for anyone.
Pay them well for their time served, but after that they revert back
to private citizens.

I think the problem arises when these politicians have to work full time
at being a politician for not a great deal of compensation for the work
they do. So they lobby special interests, etc. and that creates the
problem.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

On 12/31/12 12:53 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"ESAD" wrote in message
m...

On 12/31/12 9:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these
people have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

The bad part is ... who and/or what do we replace them with?


Precisely.

---------------------------------------

Maybe I am naive, but I think there must be conscientious citizens with
a patriotic streak that would be willing to serve their country. They
can still promote and work for the interests of their constituency.
Being a member of the House of Representatives or a Senator for one or
two terms is still quite an achievement for anyone. Pay them well for
their time served, but after that they revert back to private citizens.




It takes at least a full term in the House and a half term in the Senate
to figure out which end is up. Being a qualified, contributing, thinking
member of Congress takes time and effort. I don't see "terms" as the
answer. I see political fundraising, lobbyists, et cetera, as the
problem. A Representative has to start fundraising for the next election
as soon as he/she is elected.

Further, the committee and oversight duties of Congress are very
complex, too complex to figure out if there are short term limits.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

On Dec 31, 10:03*am, Wayne.B

Finally ... pass term limits. * No more lifetime politicians.

===

Good plan. *I'll vote for it.


Me too!

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

On Dec 31, 12:36*pm, ESAD wrote:
On 12/31/12 12:53 PM, Eisboch wrote:











"ESAD" *wrote in message
om...

On 12/31/12 9:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, *it now appears that any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. * Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these
people have. *That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, *eliminate their federal pension. * Require them to pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. * Make them buy it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. * No more lifetime politicians.

The bad part is ... who and/or what do we replace them with?

Precisely.

---------------------------------------

Maybe I am naive, but I think there must be conscientious citizens with
a patriotic streak that would be willing to serve their country. They
can still promote and work for the interests of their constituency.
Being a member of the House of Representatives or a Senator for one or
two terms is still quite an achievement for anyone. Pay them well for
their time served, but after that they revert back to private citizens.

It takes at least a full term in the House and a half term in the Senate
to figure out which end is up. Being a qualified, contributing, thinking
member of Congress takes time and effort. I don't see "terms" as the
answer. I see political fundraising, lobbyists, et cetera, as the
problem. A Representative has to start fundraising for the next election
as soon as he/she is elected.

Further, the committee and oversight duties of Congress are very
complex, too complex to figure out if there are short term limits.

To me, 4 terms (8 years) is a plenty.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

"Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that any last
minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing to
address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real world
could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these people
have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to pay into
Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy it like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

Been saying that for years.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

In article 7fd1d0ea-b7a0-4bec-b085-f2e0c5070afe@
10g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 31, 8:14*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, *it now appears that any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. * Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these
people have. *That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, *eliminate their federal pension. * Require them to pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. * Make them buy it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. * No more lifetime politicians.

The bad part is ... who and/or what do we replace them with?

Us.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 31, 2012 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name

calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that any

last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing

to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.



Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.



Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real

world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these

people have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.



Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to pay

into Social Security like anyone else.

Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy it

like everyone else.



Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

All good points.
Up here they finally put a cap on the age of Senerators appointed by the govt in power. They have to retire at age 75..where previously it was a term for life.
In our system, the Senate is supposed to be a body of sober second thought, but in reality just an expensive big rubber stamp.

We need to repeal the 17th amendment to resolve the problem of
"lifetime" Senators in the US.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

In article 1f89c93b-35ca-463d-9e1d-7959b3c08361
@x3g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 31, 10:03*am, Wayne.B

Finally ... pass term limits. * No more lifetime politicians.

===

Good plan. *I'll vote for it.


Me too!

That ship sailed 20 years ago. The stupid voter, those in the 47% will
see it as an attack of their ability to dip into the 53%'s pocket.

What's with this 'fiscal cliff'?
 

In article ,
says...

In article 7fd1d0ea-b7a0-4bec-b085-f2e0c5070afe@
10g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 31, 8:14*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, *it now appears that any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. * Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these
people have. *That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, *eliminate their federal pension. * Require them to pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. * Make them buy it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. * No more lifetime politicians.

The bad part is ... who and/or what do we replace them with?

Us.

Like that would work. Seems as more and more of the population can't
think for themselves so they are either far left or far right. On the
right you have those who come here and dislike even hate everything the
left tries to do, like Scotty, you and John, then on the left you have
those who hate everything the right tries to do like Harry and Don. I
think it comes from too much FOX and MSNBC. Lemmings all.