On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:14:38 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these
people have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

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Good plan. I'll vote for it.

"ESAD" wrote in message
m...

On 12/31/12 9:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that
any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely
nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as
these
people have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to
pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy
it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

The bad part is ... who and/or what do we replace them with?


Precisely.

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Maybe I am naive, but I think there must be conscientious citizens
with a patriotic streak that would be willing to serve their country.
They can still promote and work for the interests of their
constituency. Being a member of the House of Representatives or a
Senator for one or two terms is still quite an achievement for anyone.
Pay them well for their time served, but after that they revert back
to private citizens.

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says...

"ESAD" wrote in message
m...

On 12/31/12 9:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that
any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely
nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as
these
people have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to
pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy
it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

The bad part is ... who and/or what do we replace them with?


Precisely.

---------------------------------------

Maybe I am naive, but I think there must be conscientious citizens
with a patriotic streak that would be willing to serve their country.
They can still promote and work for the interests of their
constituency. Being a member of the House of Representatives or a
Senator for one or two terms is still quite an achievement for anyone.
Pay them well for their time served, but after that they revert back
to private citizens.

I think the problem arises when these politicians have to work full time
at being a politician for not a great deal of compensation for the work
they do. So they lobby special interests, etc. and that creates the
problem.

On 12/31/12 12:53 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"ESAD" wrote in message
m...

On 12/31/12 9:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these
people have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

The bad part is ... who and/or what do we replace them with?


Precisely.

---------------------------------------

Maybe I am naive, but I think there must be conscientious citizens with
a patriotic streak that would be willing to serve their country. They
can still promote and work for the interests of their constituency.
Being a member of the House of Representatives or a Senator for one or
two terms is still quite an achievement for anyone. Pay them well for
their time served, but after that they revert back to private citizens.




It takes at least a full term in the House and a half term in the Senate
to figure out which end is up. Being a qualified, contributing, thinking
member of Congress takes time and effort. I don't see "terms" as the
answer. I see political fundraising, lobbyists, et cetera, as the
problem. A Representative has to start fundraising for the next election
as soon as he/she is elected.

Further, the committee and oversight duties of Congress are very
complex, too complex to figure out if there are short term limits.

On Dec 31, 10:03*am, Wayne.B

Finally ... pass term limits. * No more lifetime politicians.

===

Good plan. *I'll vote for it.


Me too!

On Dec 31, 12:36*pm, ESAD wrote:
On 12/31/12 12:53 PM, Eisboch wrote:











"ESAD" *wrote in message
om...

On 12/31/12 9:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, *it now appears that any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. * Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these
people have. *That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, *eliminate their federal pension. * Require them to pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. * Make them buy it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. * No more lifetime politicians.

The bad part is ... who and/or what do we replace them with?

Precisely.

---------------------------------------

Maybe I am naive, but I think there must be conscientious citizens with
a patriotic streak that would be willing to serve their country. They
can still promote and work for the interests of their constituency.
Being a member of the House of Representatives or a Senator for one or
two terms is still quite an achievement for anyone. Pay them well for
their time served, but after that they revert back to private citizens.

It takes at least a full term in the House and a half term in the Senate
to figure out which end is up. Being a qualified, contributing, thinking
member of Congress takes time and effort. I don't see "terms" as the
answer. I see political fundraising, lobbyists, et cetera, as the
problem. A Representative has to start fundraising for the next election
as soon as he/she is elected.

Further, the committee and oversight duties of Congress are very
complex, too complex to figure out if there are short term limits.

To me, 4 terms (8 years) is a plenty.

"Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that any last
minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing to
address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real world
could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these people
have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to pay into
Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy it like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

Been saying that for years.

In article 7fd1d0ea-b7a0-4bec-b085-f2e0c5070afe@
10g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 31, 8:14*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name
calling and blaming by members of Congress, *it now appears that any
last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing
to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.

Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.

Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. * Nobody in the real
world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these
people have. *That includes Democrats and Republicans.

Furthermore, *eliminate their federal pension. * Require them to pay
into Social Security like anyone else.
Eliminate their special privileges and health care. * Make them buy it
like everyone else.

Finally ... pass term limits. * No more lifetime politicians.

The bad part is ... who and/or what do we replace them with?

Us.

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 31, 2012 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:
I was just reading that with all the negotiations, posturing, name

calling and blaming by members of Congress, it now appears that any

last minute agreement likely to be approved will do absolutely nothing

to address the federal deficit for at least 10 years.



Basically, all this grandstanding for nothing.



Next election cycle, let's boot them all out. Nobody in the real

world could keep a job with such a dismal performance record as these

people have. That includes Democrats and Republicans.



Furthermore, eliminate their federal pension. Require them to pay

into Social Security like anyone else.

Eliminate their special privileges and health care. Make them buy it

like everyone else.



Finally ... pass term limits. No more lifetime politicians.

All good points.
Up here they finally put a cap on the age of Senerators appointed by the govt in power. They have to retire at age 75..where previously it was a term for life.
In our system, the Senate is supposed to be a body of sober second thought, but in reality just an expensive big rubber stamp.

We need to repeal the 17th amendment to resolve the problem of
"lifetime" Senators in the US.

In article 1f89c93b-35ca-463d-9e1d-7959b3c08361
@x3g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 31, 10:03*am, Wayne.B

Finally ... pass term limits. * No more lifetime politicians.

===

Good plan. *I'll vote for it.


Me too!

That ship sailed 20 years ago. The stupid voter, those in the 47% will
see it as an attack of their ability to dip into the 53%'s pocket.