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iBoaterer[_2_] December 26th 12 03:41 PM

A good case against being narrow minded.
 

.."Some time ago I received a call from a colleague. He was about to give
a student a zero for his answer to a physics question, while the student
claimed a perfect score. The instructor and the student agreed to an
impartial arbiter, and I was selected. I read the examination question:

"SHOW HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO DETERMINE THE HEIGHT OF A TALL BUILDING WITH
THE AID OF A BAROMETER."

The student had answered, "Take the barometer to the top of the
building, attach a long rope to it, lower it to the street, and then
bring the rope up, measuring the length of the rope. The length of the
rope is the height of the building."

The student really had a strong case for full credit since he had really
answered the question completely and correctly! On the other hand, if
full credit were given, it could well contribute to a high grade in his
physics course and to certify competence in physics, but the answer did
not confirm this.

I suggested that the student have another try. I gave the student six
minutes to answer the question with the warning that the answer should
show some knowledge of physics. At the end of five minutes, he had not
written anything. I asked if he wished to give up, but he said he had
many answers to this problem; he was just thinking of the best one. I
excused myself for interrupting him and asked him to please go on.

In the next minute, he dashed off his answer which read: "Take the
barometer to the top of the building and lean over the edge of the roof.
Drop the barometer, timing its fall with a stopwatch. Then, using the
formula x=0.5*a*t^^2, calculate the height of the building."

At this point, I asked my colleague if he would give up. He conceded,
and gave the student almost full credit. While leaving my colleague's
office, I recalled that the student had said that he had other answers
to the problem, so I asked him what they were.

"Well," said the student, "there are many ways of getting the height of
a tall building with the aid of a barometer. For example, you could take
the barometer out on a sunny day and measure the height of the
barometer, the length of its shadow, and the length of the shadow of the
building, and by the use of simple proportion, determine the height of
the building."

"Fine," I said, "and others?"

"Yes," said the student, "there is a very basic measurement method you
will like. In this method, you take the barometer and begin to walk up
the stairs. As you climb the stairs, you mark off the length of the
barometer along the wall. You then count the number of marks, and this
will give you the height of the building in barometer units."

"A very direct method."

"Of course. If you want a more sophisticated method, you can tie the
barometer to the end of a string, swing it as a pendulum, and determine
the value of g at the street level and at the top of the building. From
the difference between the two values of g, the height of the building,
in principle, can be calculated."

"On this same tact, you could take the barometer to the top of the
building, attach a long rope to it, lower it to just above the street,
and then swing it as a pendulum. You could then calculate the height of
the building by the period of the precession".

"Finally," he concluded, "there are many other ways of solving the
problem.

Probably the best," he said, "is to take the barometer to the basement
and knock on the superintendent's door. When the superintendent answers,
you speak to him as follows: 'Mr. Superintendent, here is a fine
barometer. If you will tell me the height of the building, I will give
you this barometer."

At this point, I asked the student if he really did not know the
conventional answer to this question. He admitted that he did, but said
that he was fed up with high school and college instructors trying to
teach him how to think.

The student was Neils Bohr and the arbiter was Ernest Rutherford

Canuck57[_9_] December 27th 12 05:57 AM

A good case against being narrow minded.
 
On 26/12/2012 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 10:41:35 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:


."Some time ago I received a call from a colleague. He was about to give
a student a zero for his answer to a physics question, while the student
claimed a perfect score. The instructor and the student agreed to an
impartial arbiter, and I was selected. I read the examination question:

"SHOW HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO DETERMINE THE HEIGHT OF A TALL BUILDING WITH
THE AID OF A BAROMETER."

The student had answered, "Take the barometer to the top of the
building, attach a long rope to it, lower it to the street, and then
bring the rope up, measuring the length of the rope. The length of the
rope is the height of the building."

The student really had a strong case for full credit since he had really
answered the question completely and correctly! On the other hand, if
full credit were given, it could well contribute to a high grade in his
physics course and to certify competence in physics, but the answer did
not confirm this.

I suggested that the student have another try. I gave the student six
minutes to answer the question with the warning that the answer should
show some knowledge of physics. At the end of five minutes, he had not
written anything. I asked if he wished to give up, but he said he had
many answers to this problem; he was just thinking of the best one. I
excused myself for interrupting him and asked him to please go on.

In the next minute, he dashed off his answer which read: "Take the
barometer to the top of the building and lean over the edge of the roof.
Drop the barometer, timing its fall with a stopwatch. Then, using the
formula x=0.5*a*t^^2, calculate the height of the building."

At this point, I asked my colleague if he would give up. He conceded,
and gave the student almost full credit. While leaving my colleague's
office, I recalled that the student had said that he had other answers
to the problem, so I asked him what they were.

"Well," said the student, "there are many ways of getting the height of
a tall building with the aid of a barometer. For example, you could take
the barometer out on a sunny day and measure the height of the
barometer, the length of its shadow, and the length of the shadow of the
building, and by the use of simple proportion, determine the height of
the building."

"Fine," I said, "and others?"

"Yes," said the student, "there is a very basic measurement method you
will like. In this method, you take the barometer and begin to walk up
the stairs. As you climb the stairs, you mark off the length of the
barometer along the wall. You then count the number of marks, and this
will give you the height of the building in barometer units."

"A very direct method."

"Of course. If you want a more sophisticated method, you can tie the
barometer to the end of a string, swing it as a pendulum, and determine
the value of g at the street level and at the top of the building. From
the difference between the two values of g, the height of the building,
in principle, can be calculated."

"On this same tact, you could take the barometer to the top of the
building, attach a long rope to it, lower it to just above the street,
and then swing it as a pendulum. You could then calculate the height of
the building by the period of the precession".

"Finally," he concluded, "there are many other ways of solving the
problem.

Probably the best," he said, "is to take the barometer to the basement
and knock on the superintendent's door. When the superintendent answers,
you speak to him as follows: 'Mr. Superintendent, here is a fine
barometer. If you will tell me the height of the building, I will give
you this barometer."

At this point, I asked the student if he really did not know the
conventional answer to this question. He admitted that he did, but said
that he was fed up with high school and college instructors trying to
teach him how to think.

The student was Neils Bohr and the arbiter was Ernest Rutherford


Rapid forward. Now, the arbiter would be required to decide whether
the canned answer to a given question to a standardized test was
sufficient or not.

It wouldn't matter what the arbiter thought, because the sole decider
(guess where I got that) is THE STATE: who, not amazingly, created the
test!

SO, to hell with creative thought and competency, can you parrot back
that which THE STATE requires you to know?



The trick is to teach the smart kids, puke the parrot for the marks but
don't let the system corrupt you.

I did something like above on a science test in G9. Lost 20% for the
section I wrote as I thought and not how I was taught.

A year later they changed the test to the right way which was the same
way I did it.

Einstein too was a drop out. Reason turned out to be he couldn't accept
the stupidity.

--
Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and
other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay
for it leave, they can all share having nothing but debt and discontentment.


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