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For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort
Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? |
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For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
On 12/18/2012 8:39 PM, ESAD wrote:
Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? A seasoned Police Officer who happens to be teaching a kindergarten class. A person who is trained in tactical, conflict resolution, firearms safety, shoot to kill, etc would have a better chance in a building "he or she owned". Hey, maybe it wouldn't stop this guy or that, but if it stopped one, don't you think it would be worth it. You can give examples where it didn't work, I can give examples where it would. All I am saying is that the best way to fight this type of think is with multiple trained professionals on the scene, and if you are going to do that, what better than ex-cops? Either way, I didn't want to get political before but I would note that I knew harry would hate this idea, imagine all the slackers working for the union that would be replaced by good decent hard working, dependable retirees? The Public Unions would be the biggest challenge to this, as we all know it's not the kids they are really worried about... |
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For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
On 12/18/12 10:48 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/18/2012 8:39 PM, ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? A seasoned Police Officer who happens to be teaching a kindergarten class. A person who is trained in tactical, conflict resolution, firearms safety, shoot to kill, etc would have a better chance in a building "he or she owned". Hey, maybe it wouldn't stop this guy or that, but if it stopped one, don't you think it would be worth it. You can give examples where it didn't work, I can give examples where it would. All I am saying is that the best way to fight this type of think is with multiple trained professionals on the scene, and if you are going to do that, what better than ex-cops? Either way, I didn't want to get political before but I would note that I knew harry would hate this idea, imagine all the slackers working for the union that would be replaced by good decent hard working, dependable retirees? The Public Unions would be the biggest challenge to this, as we all know it's not the kids they are really worried about... Most cops, active or retired, are in the police unions, ****-for-brains. Do you think that cops hired as hall monitors or whatever at schools would suddenly not want to be union members? As for your comment about "slackers," tell that to the families of the teachers, principal, and other school workers killed in Newtown while defending the children in their charge. You really *are* the ignorant asshole you come across as here. There is no hope for you. Thank goodness your breeding days are over. |
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For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
In article , says...
On 12/19/2012 10:12 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 12/18/2012 8:39 PM, ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? A seasoned Police Officer who happens to be teaching a kindergarten class. A person who is trained in tactical, conflict resolution, firearms safety, shoot to kill, etc would have a better chance in a building "he or she owned". Hey, maybe it wouldn't stop this guy or that, but if it stopped one, don't you think it would be worth it. You can give examples where it didn't work, I can give examples where it would. All I am saying is that the best way to fight this type of think is with multiple trained professionals on the scene, and if you are going to do that, what better than ex-cops? Either way, I didn't want to get political before but I would note that I knew harry would hate this idea, imagine all the slackers working for the union that would be replaced by good decent hard working, dependable retirees? The Public Unions would be the biggest challenge to this, as we all know it's not the kids they are really worried about... Again, please answer, how is this seasoned tactical guy supposed to stop an attack when all of Fort Hood Army couldn't? I don't know, I am not a trained police officer... You act like everyone at Ft. Hood was, and that is typically dishonest, it's why everyone laughs at you... Everyone was a soldier, and I'll bet there were at least a few thousand there that were trained in weapons. I'll also bet there are a few thousand MP's on the base at any given time. As a matter of fact, it's home to the 89th Military Police Brigade. A brigade is 3,000 to 5,000. |
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For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
ESAD wrote:
Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. |
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For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:53:39 -0600, Califbill wrote:
ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. You cannot enlighten the brain dead. |
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For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote:
ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? |
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For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
thumper wrote:
On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Booze. |
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