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Scarborough gets it right
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:42:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:38:02 -0800, jps wrote: I wonder what the psychological implications of having an "assault" style weapon in your hands. Does it's style support these lunatic's assumption that they're at war with the world? === I seriously doubt that the appearance of the weapon provides any inspiration or motivation. I think the primary motivation for most of these senseless killings is a suicidal death wish coupled with a desire for 15 minutes of media fame/noteriety. That desire for notoriety may also be coupled with a revenge motive for real or imagined misdeeds against them, an alienation from society in general. The fame thing does make you wonder. But, what is "fame" if you are already dead by your own hand? === Some sort of perverse "legacy" fame is what I would conjecture. |
Scarborough gets it right
On 12/18/2012 10:52 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:42:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:38:02 -0800, jps wrote: I wonder what the psychological implications of having an "assault" style weapon in your hands. Does it's style support these lunatic's assumption that they're at war with the world? === I seriously doubt that the appearance of the weapon provides any inspiration or motivation. I think the primary motivation for most of these senseless killings is a suicidal death wish coupled with a desire for 15 minutes of media fame/noteriety. That desire for notoriety may also be coupled with a revenge motive for real or imagined misdeeds against them, an alienation from society in general. The fame thing does make you wonder. But, what is "fame" if you are already dead by your own hand? === Some sort of perverse "legacy" fame is what I would conjecture. Yeah, and in some of these cases like the Movie Theater shooter I can see it, he sprayed everything trying to make chaos... This guy in CT was different. He was not thinking of "chaos", he was thinking straight up killing one, then the next, then the next... With an average of 3-11 shots into each child and each and every one, dead. He stayed on each child until he was sure they were dead and moved on to the next. In a "chaos" situation, I think it would be more likely some of the kids might have survived as he moved along quickly to create as much chaos as possible over as wide an area as possible... I liken this kid to a knife attack. A few pokes means he wanted to murder you, 15 stab wounds says he hates you and is in a rage... |
Scarborough gets it right
On 12/18/12 11:15 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/18/2012 10:52 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:42:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:38:02 -0800, jps wrote: I wonder what the psychological implications of having an "assault" style weapon in your hands. Does it's style support these lunatic's assumption that they're at war with the world? === I seriously doubt that the appearance of the weapon provides any inspiration or motivation. I think the primary motivation for most of these senseless killings is a suicidal death wish coupled with a desire for 15 minutes of media fame/noteriety. That desire for notoriety may also be coupled with a revenge motive for real or imagined misdeeds against them, an alienation from society in general. The fame thing does make you wonder. But, what is "fame" if you are already dead by your own hand? === Some sort of perverse "legacy" fame is what I would conjecture. Yeah, and in some of these cases like the Movie Theater shooter I can see it, he sprayed everything trying to make chaos... This guy in CT was different. He was not thinking of "chaos", he was thinking straight up killing one, then the next, then the next... With an average of 3-11 shots into each child and each and every one, dead. He stayed on each child until he was sure they were dead and moved on to the next. In a "chaos" situation, I think it would be more likely some of the kids might have survived as he moved along quickly to create as much chaos as possible over as wide an area as possible... I liken this kid to a knife attack. A few pokes means he wanted to murder you, 15 stab wounds says he hates you and is in a rage... "Perverse legacy fame..." "He was not thinking of chaos..." Psychobabble from two mooks who haven't a clue. |
Scarborough gets it right
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Scarborough gets it right
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Scarborough gets it right
In article ,
says... On 12/18/12 12:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:43:21 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: I wonder about the notoriety part as well. His intentions were to kill others, then HIMSELF, therefore, he'd not know whether he got that notoriety or not. He knew, if he killed enough people, he would be the only thing on TV for a month. psychobabble Rational people attribute rationality to pyschos. But that's not rational! |
Scarborough gets it right
On 12/18/12 12:47 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On 12/18/12 12:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:43:21 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: I wonder about the notoriety part as well. His intentions were to kill others, then HIMSELF, therefore, he'd not know whether he got that notoriety or not. He knew, if he killed enough people, he would be the only thing on TV for a month. psychobabble Rational people attribute rationality to pyschos. But that's not rational! We don't know anything about the mindset of the Newtown shooter. |
Scarborough gets it right
In article ,
says... On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:55:56 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: So in your narrow mind, the only gun violence is "mass shootings"?? Gee, then we have a really low number of gun violence incidences, but what do we do about the 100's of thousands of others? 100s of thousands? Cite that No problem!! http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/guns.cfm http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-...ce/welcome.htm If we really wanted to make a dent in violent death we would end the drug war. That would certainly make a dent. Fact remains, some 90% of gun crimes were committed with a gun that someone either stole or "borrowed" from a legal owner. |
Scarborough gets it right
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:01:34 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:55:56 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: So in your narrow mind, the only gun violence is "mass shootings"?? Gee, then we have a really low number of gun violence incidences, but what do we do about the 100's of thousands of others? 100s of thousands? Cite that No problem!! http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/guns.cfm From that site: "Firearm-related crime has plummeted since 1993." "According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those posessing a gun, the source of the gun was from - - a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2% - a retail store or pawnshop for about 12% - family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%" Where's that 90% you claim are stolen? No cite for that? http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-...ce/welcome.htm Funny, if you drill down on this data, it separates deaths by handgun and "other guns". Since assault rifles aren't handguns, we must include them in with rifles and shotguns in "other guns". And the data shows not only that handgun deaths occur at around 4X the rate as all "other guns" combined, but also that the rate of deaths for all types have reduced sharply since the '90s, which is exactly what I quoted in another thread. Even more interesting is that the "other guns" death rate number roughly equals "knife" in deaths. JPS, pay attention. Thanks for not reading or understanding your own links enough to realize they don't support your statements at all. |
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