Scarborough gets it right
 

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:19 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/18/2012 3:45 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:02:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:34:25 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough,

Was wrong whe he said: "The violence we see spreading...

It is not spreading, it is actually reduced from 1980-90 levels.

Here's what needs to be looked at instead of new, knee-jerk gun control laws.

http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son?

Thanks to Reagan for cutting mental health programs....

Have we not had Democrat presidents and Democrat controlled congresses since Reagan?

What a stupid f'ing comment, Kevin.


Who held congress at the time the bill was passed?

Republicans, why?

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

Proof you have no remaining ties whatsoever to the Democratic Party.

No self-respecting Democrat ever refers to the party as "Democrat."
It's a use fostered by Rush and taken up by Republican stooges.

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/20/2012 3:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:34:29 -0500, JustWait
wrote:


So, how about you try it since Greg won't answer the question... and
remember, I support the second. But I am starting to wonder why you need
a 30 round clip?

Since when do we base what we can buy by what we need. Nobody NEEDS a
motorcycle.

Some might need a motorcycle, but nobody needs a race motorcycle. Just
like the former police chief n San Jose California. Since he was a cop,
got to carry all the time, but stated no civilian needed a firearm. Max
speed limit was 65 in the state, but he drove a top of the line Jaguar.


Uh, not really an accurate analogy. We are not asking for equipment or
experience to be exclusively for me... But what you folks getting so
defensive about is bogus, I consider "because I want it" *is* a
legitimate reason to be weighed when considering situation... I am
getting the feeling that because of the question you all think I am
against your right to bear... well, the ones who really don't read what
I have said anyway:)

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/20/2012 4:23 PM, jps wrote:


No self-respecting Democrat

This is a real tell... It's all about appearances for you guys, huh?

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/20/2012 2:54 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:25:08 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/19/2012 12:49 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:35 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/18/2012 12:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Fine - do away with 'military style...combat assault rifles with high capacity (not defined)
magazines'. How the hell would that stop someone who wanted to kill twenty kids? It might make him a
little slower, but not much!

Yeah, lets make it as easy as possible.

That was kind of a stupid reply. C-4 would make it *very* easy. In fact, I'm wondering why some
jihadist hasn't strapped a bomb to her chest and walked into a school cafeteria during lunchtime.

Yeah, it wasn't the time for sarcasm. You got my point though.

If the goal is to make the killing of 20 kids take 10 seconds longer, then it's a stupid goal! Do
you get the point?



Why do you gotta' be such a ****ing asshole all the time. Yes, when it
comes to somebody shooting and me running, I will take the extra ten
****ing seconds, even if it only saves one life. Remember, this moron
stopped shooting kids and shot himself when he heard the cops coming...
If they had come 10 seconds earlier, unless you can tell me no lives
could in any way be saved, you are just being a self serving ****...

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/20/2012 4:23 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:19 -0600, Califbill

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

Proof you have no remaining ties whatsoever to the Democratic Party.

No self-respecting Democrat ever refers to the party as "Democrat."
It's a use fostered by Rush and taken up by Republican stooges.


What is the politically correct name for democrat these days?

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/20/2012 2:53 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:25:32 -0500, ESAD wrote:


My 'clapped out old motorcycle' took me about 90 miles today at about 50 mpg. How's your 'Ducati'
running? Do you keep it in your Maryland-red barn? I suppose the twin-Volvo-diesel-powered trawler
is stored there also, no?


Duc and I took a 50 mile round trip to Home Despot earlier today, ISO
some Honeywell timer switches and some dimmer switches.

LOL!

I wonder if the local MS 13 fellas noticed the old guy on the fire
engine red Duc as he was slow cruising down the boulavard?

Scarborough gets it right
 

JustWait wrote:
On 12/20/2012 3:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:34:29 -0500, JustWait
wrote:


So, how about you try it since Greg won't answer the question... and
remember, I support the second. But I am starting to wonder why you need
a 30 round clip?

Since when do we base what we can buy by what we need. Nobody NEEDS a
motorcycle.

Some might need a motorcycle, but nobody needs a race motorcycle. Just
like the former police chief n San Jose California. Since he was a cop,
got to carry all the time, but stated no civilian needed a firearm. Max
speed limit was 65 in the state, but he drove a top of the line Jaguar.


Uh, not really an accurate analogy. We are not asking for equipment or
experience to be exclusively for me... But what you folks getting so
defensive about is bogus, I consider "because I want it" *is* a
legitimate reason to be weighed when considering situation... I am
getting the feeling that because of the question you all think I am
against your right to bear... well, the ones who really don't read what I
have said anyway:)

No, we are pointing out the fallacious arguments of no one needs a 30 round
feeder. I was talking to a 90 year old lady friend at dinner last night.
She pointed out the talking heads did not even bring up mental issues until
after the third "expert".

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/20/12 5:16 PM, wrote:
On 20 Dec 2012 18:44:56 GMT, ESAD wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:38:18 -0500, BAR wrote:

Your "guy around the corner" sounds like someone who is a drug addict
and who gets out of control but is not judged a threat to others. A
"Baker Act" commitment is for 72 hours, after which a judge determines
if cause can be demonstrated for a longer commitment. If not, as is
usually the case, the individual is released.

Thirty times in 10 years is a pattern. The guy is not right in the head.

The cops have been there three times in the last 2 days and left
without him every time.
I don't think anything will be done until he kills someone or one of
my neighbors shoots him.
The seven years was up and he just got his driver's license back after
felony DUI so it will probably be someone on the road who gets it with
his pickup.

I guess the real question is exactly what you do. I don't think anyone
has actually been "cured" of mental illness. They can drug the people
into a compliant stupor but as soon as they stop taking the drug, they
are back to crazy, maybe even worse than before. The drugs also seem
to lose effectiveness over the years.
Are we really talking about a gulag mentality where they round up all
the people someone thinks are "mentally ill" and lock them up?

"Outpatient services" is really just a drug dispensary and the problem
is the patients are not real good about taking their drugs.

You are grossly overstating the problems here. Many mental illnesses can be
controlled with therapy and sometimes with therapy and medications. You are
giving the impression that if you have a mental illness your outlook is
forever dim. Many people with mental illnesses Are creative and productive
members of society. Your prejudices are really out there.

I am just looking at the actual results.
For every successful treatment there are dozens if not hundreds of
people who either end up in jail, terrorizing their neighbors or
living under a bridge.


What an interesting statistic. Do you have a source for it? I won't
argue that our system treats the indigent mentally ill well, because it
doesn't. That is part of the price one pays for living in a country
where profit is more important than people.

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/20/12 4:23 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:19 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/18/2012 3:45 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:02:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:34:25 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough,

Was wrong whe he said: "The violence we see spreading...

It is not spreading, it is actually reduced from 1980-90 levels.

Here's what needs to be looked at instead of new, knee-jerk gun control laws.

http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son?

Thanks to Reagan for cutting mental health programs....

Have we not had Democrat presidents and Democrat controlled congresses since Reagan?

What a stupid f'ing comment, Kevin.


Who held congress at the time the bill was passed?

Republicans, why?

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

Proof you have no remaining ties whatsoever to the Democratic Party.

No self-respecting Democrat ever refers to the party as "Democrat."
It's a use fostered by Rush and taken up by Republican stooges.

Indeed. It is the Democratic Party, and and individual acolyte is a
Democrat and more than one are Democrats. Thus, the California
legislature was Democratic, made up mostly of Democrats.

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:16:29 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

The worst elements of DC have moved out to the beltway and beyond
because real estate values inside DC have priced them out of the
market.
PG and Arlington County used to be "Leave it to Beaver" land. PG has
become a combat zone and I understand it is not much better on the
other side of the bridge.

Oh yes it is! You're right about PG county though. That place is a definite mess. Don't know what
the problem is. ESAD lives pretty close. Maybe he can explain why PG County is the war zone it is.

PG and DC have one thing in common. They are filled with people who
believe that when the get elected or appointed to office that it is
their duty to extract as much cash from the public, as possible, to pad
their own pockets.

DC has lost a couple of councilmen to jail recently and we have Mr. and
Mrs. Jack Johnson in PG to show is that crime families. Jack Johnson's
famous line is "pub the money in your underwear and walk out of the
house." Almost as good as Mayor Marion "Mayor for Live" Barry who gave
us the often used statement "the bitch set me up."

If you want to move on to the appointed members of government we can go
there.

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:19 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/18/2012 3:45 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:02:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:34:25 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough,

Was wrong whe he said: "The violence we see spreading...

It is not spreading, it is actually reduced from 1980-90 levels.

Here's what needs to be looked at instead of new, knee-jerk gun control laws.

http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son?

Thanks to Reagan for cutting mental health programs....

Have we not had Democrat presidents and Democrat controlled congresses since Reagan?

What a stupid f'ing comment, Kevin.


Who held congress at the time the bill was passed?

Republicans, why?

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

Proof you have no remaining ties whatsoever to the Democratic Party.

No self-respecting Democrat ever refers to the party as "Democrat."
It's a use fostered by Rush and taken up by Republican stooges.

Why did these so called self-respecting Democrat's change from calling
themselves Democrats to Democratics?

Your source is Wikipedia and it has its own agenda that is contrary to
reality.

The White House hasn't read your memo.

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/20/12 2:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:16:29 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

The worst elements of DC have moved out to the beltway and beyond
because real estate values inside DC have priced them out of the
market.
PG and Arlington County used to be "Leave it to Beaver" land. PG has
become a combat zone and I understand it is not much better on the
other side of the bridge.

Oh yes it is! You're right about PG county though. That place is a definite mess. Don't know what
the problem is. ESAD lives pretty close. Maybe he can explain why PG County is the war zone it is.


Actually, **** for brains, you live a lot closer to PG County than I do.
What do you think is on the other side of that fancy new bridge that
crosses the Potomac from Alexandria? PG County. PG County is, what,
about six miles from your house. We're not nearly that close.

Besides, while PG County has some bad spots, it is a mostly rural county
with some nice areas, and not nearly as congested as Fairfax County,
Virginia, where you live and especially your part of that county, which
has bumper to bumper traffic on its roads from 5 am to 7 pm weekdays.

When we frequented your neighborhood, we saw drug deals going down at
least once a week in that Safeway parking lot you can walk to in 15
minutes from your house at the same time the county mounties were
looking for cars with expired county stickers in townhouse parking lots.

Hell, the best thing in your 'hood, the Greek diner at the bottom of Van
Dorn is gone, replaced by another bank.

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/20/2012 7:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
JustWait wrote:
On 12/20/2012 3:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:34:29 -0500, JustWait
wrote:


So, how about you try it since Greg won't answer the question... and
remember, I support the second. But I am starting to wonder why you need
a 30 round clip?

Since when do we base what we can buy by what we need. Nobody NEEDS a
motorcycle.

Some might need a motorcycle, but nobody needs a race motorcycle. Just
like the former police chief n San Jose California. Since he was a cop,
got to carry all the time, but stated no civilian needed a firearm. Max
speed limit was 65 in the state, but he drove a top of the line Jaguar.


Uh, not really an accurate analogy. We are not asking for equipment or
experience to be exclusively for me... But what you folks getting so
defensive about is bogus, I consider "because I want it" *is* a
legitimate reason to be weighed when considering situation... I am
getting the feeling that because of the question you all think I am
against your right to bear... well, the ones who really don't read what I
have said anyway:)

No, we are pointing out the fallacious arguments of no one needs a 30 round
feeder. I was talking to a 90 year old lady friend at dinner last night.
She pointed out the talking heads did not even bring up mental issues until
after the third "expert".


Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/20/2012 7:46 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:19 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/18/2012 3:45 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:02:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:34:25 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough,

Was wrong whe he said: "The violence we see spreading...

It is not spreading, it is actually reduced from 1980-90 levels.

Here's what needs to be looked at instead of new, knee-jerk gun control laws.

http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son?

Thanks to Reagan for cutting mental health programs....

Have we not had Democrat presidents and Democrat controlled congresses since Reagan?

What a stupid f'ing comment, Kevin.


Who held congress at the time the bill was passed?

Republicans, why?

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

Proof you have no remaining ties whatsoever to the Democratic Party.

No self-respecting Democrat ever refers to the party as "Democrat."
It's a use fostered by Rush and taken up by Republican stooges.

Why did these so called self-respecting Democrat's change from calling
themselves Democrats to Democratics?

Your source is Wikipedia and it has its own agenda that is contrary to
reality.

The White House hasn't read your memo.



You mean, Wiki is not fair and balanced??? Oh, the heartbreak...

Scarborough gets it right
 

ESAD wrote:
On 12/20/12 4:23 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:19 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/18/2012 3:45 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:02:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:34:25 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough,

Was wrong whe he said: "The violence we see spreading...

It is not spreading, it is actually reduced from 1980-90 levels.

Here's what needs to be looked at instead of new, knee-jerk gun control laws.

http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son?

Thanks to Reagan for cutting mental health programs....

Have we not had Democrat presidents and Democrat controlled congresses since Reagan?

What a stupid f'ing comment, Kevin.


Who held congress at the time the bill was passed?

Republicans, why?

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

Proof you have no remaining ties whatsoever to the Democratic Party.

No self-respecting Democrat ever refers to the party as "Democrat."
It's a use fostered by Rush and taken up by Republican stooges.

Indeed. It is the Democratic Party, and and individual acolyte is a
Democrat and more than one are Democrats. Thus, the California
legislature was Democratic, made up mostly of Democrats.

And it still is, and still overspending like crazy!

Scarborough gets it right
 

JustWait wrote:
On 12/20/2012 7:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
JustWait wrote:
On 12/20/2012 3:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:34:29 -0500, JustWait
wrote:


So, how about you try it since Greg won't answer the question... and
remember, I support the second. But I am starting to wonder why you need
a 30 round clip?

Since when do we base what we can buy by what we need. Nobody NEEDS a
motorcycle.

Some might need a motorcycle, but nobody needs a race motorcycle. Just
like the former police chief n San Jose California. Since he was a cop,
got to carry all the time, but stated no civilian needed a firearm. Max
speed limit was 65 in the state, but he drove a top of the line Jaguar.


Uh, not really an accurate analogy. We are not asking for equipment or
experience to be exclusively for me... But what you folks getting so
defensive about is bogus, I consider "because I want it" *is* a
legitimate reason to be weighed when considering situation... I am
getting the feeling that because of the question you all think I am
against your right to bear... well, the ones who really don't read what I
have said anyway:)

No, we are pointing out the fallacious arguments of no one needs a 30 round
feeder. I was talking to a 90 year old lady friend at dinner last night.
She pointed out the talking heads did not even bring up mental issues until
after the third "expert".


Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

We are, or at least some of us are, trying to get you to think. You go off
on a 30 round magazine or greater than 10. Will not stop a massacre.
Someone with a 6 shot, sawed off shotgun would probably kill or wound most
in a classroom. The problem is most of these mass killers were known to be
mentally unbalanced. But nothing was done, or could be really done to or
for them. The laws over the years basically say you can decline to be
treated and walk out the door, go to Home Depot, buy a couple hundred
pounds of fertilizer and make a bomb that kills a lot at the hospital.
Then you get an insane defense and treatment. After the fact help.

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/20/2012 11:54 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:25:08 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/19/2012 12:49 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:35 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/18/2012 12:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Fine - do away with 'military style...combat assault rifles with high capacity (not defined)
magazines'. How the hell would that stop someone who wanted to kill twenty kids? It might make him a
little slower, but not much!

Yeah, lets make it as easy as possible.

That was kind of a stupid reply. C-4 would make it *very* easy. In fact, I'm wondering why some
jihadist hasn't strapped a bomb to her chest and walked into a school cafeteria during lunchtime.

Yeah, it wasn't the time for sarcasm. You got my point though.

If the goal is to make the killing of 20 kids take 10 seconds longer, then it's a stupid goal! Do
you get the point?


Look who's being stupid... the goal is to make the potential killing of
20 kids result in less than 20 dead kids. The fewer the better. I
don't buy your assertions.

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/21/2012 12:26 AM, Califbill wrote:
JustWait wrote:
On 12/20/2012 7:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
JustWait wrote:
On 12/20/2012 3:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:34:29 -0500, JustWait
wrote:


So, how about you try it since Greg won't answer the question... and
remember, I support the second. But I am starting to wonder why you need
a 30 round clip?

Since when do we base what we can buy by what we need. Nobody NEEDS a
motorcycle.

Some might need a motorcycle, but nobody needs a race motorcycle. Just
like the former police chief n San Jose California. Since he was a cop,
got to carry all the time, but stated no civilian needed a firearm. Max
speed limit was 65 in the state, but he drove a top of the line Jaguar.


Uh, not really an accurate analogy. We are not asking for equipment or
experience to be exclusively for me... But what you folks getting so
defensive about is bogus, I consider "because I want it" *is* a
legitimate reason to be weighed when considering situation... I am
getting the feeling that because of the question you all think I am
against your right to bear... well, the ones who really don't read what I
have said anyway:)

No, we are pointing out the fallacious arguments of no one needs a 30 round
feeder. I was talking to a 90 year old lady friend at dinner last night.
She pointed out the talking heads did not even bring up mental issues until
after the third "expert".


Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

We are, or at least some of us are, trying to get you to think.

I just don't get what you are trying to get me to think about. All I
asked was why? Never suggested any kind of control, or prohibition. If
you wanted me to "think", I think you would have given me an answer to
think about instead of acting like caught little kids...


You go off
on a 30 round magazine or greater than 10. Will not stop a massacre.

And I never said that, I just asked "what if?".... Just trying to get
you guys to "think"... LOL!

Someone with a 6 shot, sawed off shotgun would probably kill or wound most
in a classroom. The problem is most of these mass killers were known to be
mentally unbalanced. But nothing was done, or could be really done to or
for them. The laws over the years basically say you can decline to be
treated and walk out the door, go to Home Depot, buy a couple hundred
pounds of fertilizer and make a bomb that kills a lot at the hospital.
Then you get an insane defense and treatment. After the fact help.


I get it, I get it... I am the one who suggested in another group that
Tim McVeigh probably spent less on diesel and fertilizer than this guys
mom spent on the four weapons he brought to the school.

I just like to ask questions, sometimes non answers tell me more than
answers do... and here I have really learned a lot about gun owners, if
not about guns.

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/21/2012 12:39 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:26:32 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Someone with a 6 shot, sawed off shotgun

Huh? How "sawed off" could it be with a 6 round tube under the
barrel?

The reality is sawing off the barrel does not change the pattern all
that much once you lose the choke.

A 10" piece of 3/4" Sch 40 galvanized pipe doesn't pattern that much
different than a 26" skeet gun. It is just more ragged around the
edges.


Jess likes the two eyed, side by side:)

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/21/2012 12:40 AM, thumper wrote:
On 12/20/2012 11:54 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:25:08 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/19/2012 12:49 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:35 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/18/2012 12:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Fine - do away with 'military style...combat assault rifles with
high capacity (not defined)
magazines'. How the hell would that stop someone who wanted to
kill twenty kids? It might make him a
little slower, but not much!

Yeah, lets make it as easy as possible.

That was kind of a stupid reply. C-4 would make it *very* easy. In
fact, I'm wondering why some
jihadist hasn't strapped a bomb to her chest and walked into a
school cafeteria during lunchtime.

Yeah, it wasn't the time for sarcasm. You got my point though.

If the goal is to make the killing of 20 kids take 10 seconds longer,
then it's a stupid goal! Do
you get the point?


Look who's being stupid... the goal is to make the potential killing of
20 kids result in less than 20 dead kids. The fewer the better. I
don't buy your assertions.


I don't either... I was talking to a friend tonight and he was showing
me his SKS... I asked him what ten seconds meant in the context of a
mass shooter, and he actually took the time to "do the math" and agreed
with me... "I'll take it"...

Scarborough gets it right
 

wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:26:32 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Someone with a 6 shot, sawed off shotgun

Huh? How "sawed off" could it be with a 6 round tube under the
barrel?

The reality is sawing off the barrel does not change the pattern all
that much once you lose the choke.

A 10" piece of 3/4" Sch 40 galvanized pipe doesn't pattern that much
different than a 26" skeet gun. It is just more ragged around the
edges.

I figured it spread the pattern a lot. The old Ithaca car gun was supposed
to a wide spread shooter. Put the wad with a pin in the middle, and may
increase the spread also.

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:56:10 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Besides, while PG County has some bad spots, it is a mostly rural county

Huh?

It was rural when I was there but it is very built up now. I doubt you
could find a safe place to hunt anywhere in PG.
We used to shoot quail just South west of 210 and Oxon Hill Rd and we
would hunt ducks down there on the river where that new metroplex is
now.

I am also amazed at how built up Chuck County was the last time I was
up there (July)
When you get down south of Leonardtown it starts looking familiar but
there are still a lot of new houses.

You can't get much further south than Leonardtown.

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article 1544287637377724059.933093bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/18/2012 3:45 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:02:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:34:25 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough,

Was wrong whe he said: "The violence we see spreading...

It is not spreading, it is actually reduced from 1980-90 levels.

Here's what needs to be looked at instead of new, knee-jerk gun control laws.

http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son?

Thanks to Reagan for cutting mental health programs....

Have we not had Democrat presidents and Democrat controlled congresses since Reagan?

What a stupid f'ing comment, Kevin.


Who held congress at the time the bill was passed?

Republicans, why?

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

California doesn't define the United States.

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article , says...

On 12/20/2012 4:23 PM, jps wrote:


No self-respecting Democrat

This is a real tell... It's all about appearances for you guys, huh?

Why because liberals and democrats are two different meanings, just like
conservative and Republican are two different meanings? I'm sure you're
too stupid to realize that one can be one without being the other,
right?

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article om,
says...

On 12/20/2012 4:23 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:19 -0600, Califbill

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

Proof you have no remaining ties whatsoever to the Democratic Party.

No self-respecting Democrat ever refers to the party as "Democrat."
It's a use fostered by Rush and taken up by Republican stooges.


What is the politically correct name for democrat these days?

A Democrat. What you fail to understand, as does Scotty and other insane
fanatics, is that you can be liberal without being a Democrat, much like
you can be conservative without being a Republican. It's really simple
if you can think.

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article 2071675585377754624.473476bmckeenospam-
, says...

ESAD wrote:
On 12/20/12 4:23 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:19 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/18/2012 3:45 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:02:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:34:25 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough,

Was wrong whe he said: "The violence we see spreading...

It is not spreading, it is actually reduced from 1980-90 levels.

Here's what needs to be looked at instead of new, knee-jerk gun control laws.

http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son?

Thanks to Reagan for cutting mental health programs....

Have we not had Democrat presidents and Democrat controlled congresses since Reagan?

What a stupid f'ing comment, Kevin.


Who held congress at the time the bill was passed?

Republicans, why?

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

Proof you have no remaining ties whatsoever to the Democratic Party.

No self-respecting Democrat ever refers to the party as "Democrat."
It's a use fostered by Rush and taken up by Republican stooges.

Indeed. It is the Democratic Party, and and individual acolyte is a
Democrat and more than one are Democrats. Thus, the California
legislature was Democratic, made up mostly of Democrats.

And it still is, and still overspending like crazy!

Only Democrats overspend, right??!

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article , says...

On 12/20/2012 7:46 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:19 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/18/2012 3:45 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:02:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:34:25 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough,

Was wrong whe he said: "The violence we see spreading...

It is not spreading, it is actually reduced from 1980-90 levels.

Here's what needs to be looked at instead of new, knee-jerk gun control laws.

http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son?

Thanks to Reagan for cutting mental health programs....

Have we not had Democrat presidents and Democrat controlled congresses since Reagan?

What a stupid f'ing comment, Kevin.


Who held congress at the time the bill was passed?

Republicans, why?

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

Proof you have no remaining ties whatsoever to the Democratic Party.

No self-respecting Democrat ever refers to the party as "Democrat."
It's a use fostered by Rush and taken up by Republican stooges.

Why did these so called self-respecting Democrat's change from calling
themselves Democrats to Democratics?

Your source is Wikipedia and it has its own agenda that is contrary to
reality.

The White House hasn't read your memo.



You mean, Wiki is not fair and balanced??? Oh, the heartbreak...

But FOX is, right?!

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article , says...

On 12/20/2012 7:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
JustWait wrote:
On 12/20/2012 3:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:34:29 -0500, JustWait
wrote:


So, how about you try it since Greg won't answer the question... and
remember, I support the second. But I am starting to wonder why you need
a 30 round clip?

Since when do we base what we can buy by what we need. Nobody NEEDS a
motorcycle.

Some might need a motorcycle, but nobody needs a race motorcycle. Just
like the former police chief n San Jose California. Since he was a cop,
got to carry all the time, but stated no civilian needed a firearm. Max
speed limit was 65 in the state, but he drove a top of the line Jaguar.


Uh, not really an accurate analogy. We are not asking for equipment or
experience to be exclusively for me... But what you folks getting so
defensive about is bogus, I consider "because I want it" *is* a
legitimate reason to be weighed when considering situation... I am
getting the feeling that because of the question you all think I am
against your right to bear... well, the ones who really don't read what I
have said anyway:)

No, we are pointing out the fallacious arguments of no one needs a 30 round
feeder. I was talking to a 90 year old lady friend at dinner last night.
She pointed out the talking heads did not even bring up mental issues until
after the third "expert".


Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

More anecdotal lies from Scotty.

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article , says...

On 12/21/2012 12:26 AM, Califbill wrote:
JustWait wrote:
On 12/20/2012 7:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
JustWait wrote:
On 12/20/2012 3:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:34:29 -0500, JustWait
wrote:


So, how about you try it since Greg won't answer the question... and
remember, I support the second. But I am starting to wonder why you need
a 30 round clip?

Since when do we base what we can buy by what we need. Nobody NEEDS a
motorcycle.

Some might need a motorcycle, but nobody needs a race motorcycle. Just
like the former police chief n San Jose California. Since he was a cop,
got to carry all the time, but stated no civilian needed a firearm. Max
speed limit was 65 in the state, but he drove a top of the line Jaguar.


Uh, not really an accurate analogy. We are not asking for equipment or
experience to be exclusively for me... But what you folks getting so
defensive about is bogus, I consider "because I want it" *is* a
legitimate reason to be weighed when considering situation... I am
getting the feeling that because of the question you all think I am
against your right to bear... well, the ones who really don't read what I
have said anyway:)

No, we are pointing out the fallacious arguments of no one needs a 30 round
feeder. I was talking to a 90 year old lady friend at dinner last night.
She pointed out the talking heads did not even bring up mental issues until
after the third "expert".


Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

We are, or at least some of us are, trying to get you to think.

I just don't get what you are trying to get me to think about. All I
asked was why? Never suggested any kind of control, or prohibition. If
you wanted me to "think", I think you would have given me an answer to
think about instead of acting like caught little kids...


You go off
on a 30 round magazine or greater than 10. Will not stop a massacre.

And I never said that, I just asked "what if?".... Just trying to get
you guys to "think"... LOL!

Someone with a 6 shot, sawed off shotgun would probably kill or wound most
in a classroom. The problem is most of these mass killers were known to be
mentally unbalanced. But nothing was done, or could be really done to or
for them. The laws over the years basically say you can decline to be
treated and walk out the door, go to Home Depot, buy a couple hundred
pounds of fertilizer and make a bomb that kills a lot at the hospital.
Then you get an insane defense and treatment. After the fact help.


I get it, I get it... I am the one who suggested in another group that
Tim McVeigh probably spent less on diesel and fertilizer than this guys
mom spent on the four weapons he brought to the school.

I just like to ask questions, sometimes non answers tell me more than
answers do... and here I have really learned a lot about gun owners, if
not about guns.

Trust me, Scotty, no one here expects you to "think".

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article , says...

On 12/20/2012 2:54 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:25:08 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/19/2012 12:49 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:35 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/18/2012 12:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Fine - do away with 'military style...combat assault rifles with high capacity (not defined)
magazines'. How the hell would that stop someone who wanted to kill twenty kids? It might make him a
little slower, but not much!

Yeah, lets make it as easy as possible.

That was kind of a stupid reply. C-4 would make it *very* easy. In fact, I'm wondering why some
jihadist hasn't strapped a bomb to her chest and walked into a school cafeteria during lunchtime.

Yeah, it wasn't the time for sarcasm. You got my point though.

If the goal is to make the killing of 20 kids take 10 seconds longer, then it's a stupid goal! Do
you get the point?



Why do you gotta' be such a ****ing asshole all the time. Yes, when it
comes to somebody shooting and me running, I will take the extra ten
****ing seconds, even if it only saves one life. Remember, this moron
stopped shooting kids and shot himself when he heard the cops coming...
If they had come 10 seconds earlier, unless you can tell me no lives
could in any way be saved, you are just being a self serving ****...

Man, just like Harry, you sure go off when someone shows you what a
moron you are!

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article om,
says...

On 12/20/2012 2:53 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:25:32 -0500, ESAD wrote:


My 'clapped out old motorcycle' took me about 90 miles today at about 50 mpg. How's your 'Ducati'
running? Do you keep it in your Maryland-red barn? I suppose the twin-Volvo-diesel-powered trawler
is stored there also, no?


Duc and I took a 50 mile round trip to Home Despot earlier today, ISO
some Honeywell timer switches and some dimmer switches.

LOL!

I wonder if the local MS 13 fellas noticed the old guy on the fire
engine red Duc as he was slow cruising down the boulavard?

Pssst, it's fiction!!!!

Scarborough gets it right
 

Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up
a school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by
cop, you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a
100-round magazine.

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article , says...


Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up
a school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by
cop, you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a
100-round magazine.

We are still waiting for the police report from your area stating that a
basement dwelling, draft dodging, non-tax paying lunatic ended his life
by eating his CZ.

Scarborough gets it right
 

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:40:27 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/20/2012 11:54 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:25:08 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/19/2012 12:49 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:35 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/18/2012 12:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Fine - do away with 'military style...combat assault rifles with high capacity (not defined)
magazines'. How the hell would that stop someone who wanted to kill twenty kids? It might make him a
little slower, but not much!

Yeah, lets make it as easy as possible.

That was kind of a stupid reply. C-4 would make it *very* easy. In fact, I'm wondering why some
jihadist hasn't strapped a bomb to her chest and walked into a school cafeteria during lunchtime.

Yeah, it wasn't the time for sarcasm. You got my point though.

If the goal is to make the killing of 20 kids take 10 seconds longer, then it's a stupid goal! Do
you get the point?


Look who's being stupid... the goal is to make the potential killing of
20 kids result in less than 20 dead kids. The fewer the better. I
don't buy your assertions.

I'd much rather find a solution that would prevent the killing of all twenty, not just allow the
killing of 19.

I guess that's a hard one.

Scarborough gets it right
 

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:36:12 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:16:29 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

The worst elements of DC have moved out to the beltway and beyond
because real estate values inside DC have priced them out of the
market.
PG and Arlington County used to be "Leave it to Beaver" land. PG has
become a combat zone and I understand it is not much better on the
other side of the bridge.

Oh yes it is! You're right about PG county though. That place is a definite mess. Don't know what
the problem is. ESAD lives pretty close. Maybe he can explain why PG County is the war zone it is.

PG and DC have one thing in common. They are filled with people who
believe that when the get elected or appointed to office that it is
their duty to extract as much cash from the public, as possible, to pad
their own pockets.

DC has lost a couple of councilmen to jail recently and we have Mr. and
Mrs. Jack Johnson in PG to show is that crime families. Jack Johnson's
famous line is "pub the money in your underwear and walk out of the
house." Almost as good as Mayor Marion "Mayor for Live" Barry who gave
us the often used statement "the bitch set me up."

If you want to move on to the appointed members of government we can go
there.


What can I say? All of that is certainly true. DC undertook a noble action when it fired a large
number of totally worthless teachers. But, we then got a new administration - which promptly rehired
the pieces of ****.

Oh well, best to start the problems at an early age.

I note that ESAD never addresses the gangs in DC and PG County. It's always the Latinos elsewhere.

Scarborough gets it right
 

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:56:10 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/20/12 2:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:16:29 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

The worst elements of DC have moved out to the beltway and beyond
because real estate values inside DC have priced them out of the
market.
PG and Arlington County used to be "Leave it to Beaver" land. PG has
become a combat zone and I understand it is not much better on the
other side of the bridge.

Oh yes it is! You're right about PG county though. That place is a definite mess. Don't know what
the problem is. ESAD lives pretty close. Maybe he can explain why PG County is the war zone it is.


Actually, **** for brains, you live a lot closer to PG County than I do.
What do you think is on the other side of that fancy new bridge that
crosses the Potomac from Alexandria? PG County. PG County is, what,
about six miles from your house. We're not nearly that close.

Besides, while PG County has some bad spots, it is a mostly rural county
with some nice areas, and not nearly as congested as Fairfax County,
Virginia, where you live and especially your part of that county, which
has bumper to bumper traffic on its roads from 5 am to 7 pm weekdays.

When we frequented your neighborhood, we saw drug deals going down at
least once a week in that Safeway parking lot you can walk to in 15
minutes from your house at the same time the county mounties were
looking for cars with expired county stickers in townhouse parking lots.

Hell, the best thing in your 'hood, the Greek diner at the bottom of Van
Dorn is gone, replaced by another bank.




ESAD! Have you been stalking my neighborhood again? Were you looking for the Guzzi? It was probably
out in my Maryland-red barn out back - the one with the twin Volvo diesels inside.

What a joke.

Scarborough gets it right
 

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:18:35 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:56:10 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Besides, while PG County has some bad spots, it is a mostly rural county

Huh?

It was rural when I was there but it is very built up now. I doubt you
could find a safe place to hunt anywhere in PG.
We used to shoot quail just South west of 210 and Oxon Hill Rd and we
would hunt ducks down there on the river where that new metroplex is
now.

I am also amazed at how built up Chuck County was the last time I was
up there (July)
When you get down south of Leonardtown it starts looking familiar but
there are still a lot of new houses.

You can't get much further south than Leonardtown.

We go a little further south to the Navy rec center by Solomon's Island. Great place for camping.
We've been taking the kids and grandkids there for a week+ the past couple years.

Scarborough gets it right
 

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:09:34 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/20/2012 3:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:34:29 -0500, JustWait
wrote:


So, how about you try it since Greg won't answer the question... and
remember, I support the second. But I am starting to wonder why you need
a 30 round clip?

Since when do we base what we can buy by what we need. Nobody NEEDS a
motorcycle.

Some might need a motorcycle, but nobody needs a race motorcycle. Just
like the former police chief n San Jose California. Since he was a cop,
got to carry all the time, but stated no civilian needed a firearm. Max
speed limit was 65 in the state, but he drove a top of the line Jaguar.


Uh, not really an accurate analogy. We are not asking for equipment or
experience to be exclusively for me... But what you folks getting so
defensive about is bogus, I consider "because I want it" *is* a
legitimate reason to be weighed when considering situation... I am
getting the feeling that because of the question you all think I am
against your right to bear... well, the ones who really don't read what
I have said anyway:)

LOL! I laugh at your use of the word 'defensive' as though folks are trying to make an excuse for
their own stupid behavior. When someone is putting *you* down, they are being 'offensive'.

Scarborough gets it right
 

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:42:17 -0500, Meyer wrote:

On 12/20/2012 2:53 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:25:32 -0500, ESAD wrote:


My 'clapped out old motorcycle' took me about 90 miles today at about 50 mpg. How's your 'Ducati'
running? Do you keep it in your Maryland-red barn? I suppose the twin-Volvo-diesel-powered trawler
is stored there also, no?


Duc and I took a 50 mile round trip to Home Despot earlier today, ISO
some Honeywell timer switches and some dimmer switches.

LOL!

I wonder if the local MS 13 fellas noticed the old guy on the fire
engine red Duc as he was slow cruising down the boulavard?

~~~only in their dreams~~~~

Scarborough gets it right
 

On 12/21/12 9:41 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:36:12 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:16:29 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

The worst elements of DC have moved out to the beltway and beyond
because real estate values inside DC have priced them out of the
market.
PG and Arlington County used to be "Leave it to Beaver" land. PG has
become a combat zone and I understand it is not much better on the
other side of the bridge.

Oh yes it is! You're right about PG county though. That place is a definite mess. Don't know what
the problem is. ESAD lives pretty close. Maybe he can explain why PG County is the war zone it is.

PG and DC have one thing in common. They are filled with people who
believe that when the get elected or appointed to office that it is
their duty to extract as much cash from the public, as possible, to pad
their own pockets.

DC has lost a couple of councilmen to jail recently and we have Mr. and
Mrs. Jack Johnson in PG to show is that crime families. Jack Johnson's
famous line is "pub the money in your underwear and walk out of the
house." Almost as good as Mayor Marion "Mayor for Live" Barry who gave
us the often used statement "the bitch set me up."

If you want to move on to the appointed members of government we can go
there.


What can I say? All of that is certainly true. DC undertook a noble action when it fired a large
number of totally worthless teachers. But, we then got a new administration - which promptly rehired
the pieces of ****.

Oh well, best to start the problems at an early age.

I note that ESAD never addresses the gangs in DC and PG County. It's always the Latinos elsewhere.



I don't live in the District of Columbia or Prince Georges County, and
you live a lot closer to the District and PG County than I do. But,
heck, you've got MS-13 right close to you...no need to drive across
state lines or into another county.

We did have a meth lab in operation about five years ago about 10 miles
away. The sheriff closed it down and the rumors are the sheriff informed
its operators they had a couple of hours to leave the county or they'd
all be shot dead in an even bigger raid. But I think the operators of
the lab were white trash like you, not minorities.