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On 12/6/12 8:43 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 21:30:45 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... We see the world in a very similar way. I've built my company in the same fashion but the dollar value of our product isn't as high, as we're in corporate instead of defense. ---------------------------------------- Be careful of what you claim to have built. Not politically correct now-a-days. :-) LMAO! You gave us a great read. I hope your mom was alive to witness that. She'd have been mighty proud of her little boy! Yours must be rolling around in her grave so fast, she's generating electricity. Imagine having a racist as a son. Awful. |
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On Thursday, December 6, 2012 9:09:09 AM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... Smart move to default on his debts and not pay his taxes? Is that a liberal's take on his situation? Why must you lump everyone that doesn't 100% agree with your far right ideals into one small, narrow minded category? You saying jps isn't a liberal? |
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"GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 21:30:45 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . We see the world in a very similar way. I've built my company in the same fashion but the dollar value of our product isn't as high, as we're in corporate instead of defense. ---------------------------------------- Be careful of what you claim to have built. Not politically correct now-a-days. :-) LMAO! You gave us a great read. I hope your mom was alive to witness that. She'd have been mighty proud of her little boy! ---------------------------------------- She's still around, but not in the best of shape. She's 85 and has a rare form of progressive MS that limits her ability to get around. My dad died a year before I sold the company. During his last years he was carting my mother around all over the country to specialists and medical facilities trying to diagnose what her (then undetermined) medical problems were. It was after he died that the rare MS was positively diagnosed. I am not particularly religious, but things seem to happen for a reason sometimes. She was going downhill emotionally and physically after his death. Their house still had a mortgage on it and it was not ideally set up for a wheelchair bound person. The sale of the company suddenly put me in a financial position to pay off her mortgage and then a year later we bought her a house nearer to us that we extensively modified to accommodate her condition and situation. She lived there for the next eight years until her physical condition made an assisted living/nursing home necessary. As I mentioned to JPS, there are a couple of more chapters to "the story" that are as bizarre (or more so) as the one I disclosed here. Someday maybe I'll write a book. Having a little money doesn't guarantee happiness, but what you *do* with it certainly has it's rewards that are not necessarily financial in nature. |
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says... On Thursday, December 6, 2012 9:09:09 AM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... Smart move to default on his debts and not pay his taxes? Is that a liberal's take on his situation? Why must you lump everyone that doesn't 100% agree with your far right ideals into one small, narrow minded category? You saying jps isn't a liberal? No. Do you think all conservatives are like the Westboro church people? |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:42:58 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"GuzzisRule" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 21:30:45 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "jps" wrote in message . .. We see the world in a very similar way. I've built my company in the same fashion but the dollar value of our product isn't as high, as we're in corporate instead of defense. ---------------------------------------- Be careful of what you claim to have built. Not politically correct now-a-days. :-) LMAO! You gave us a great read. I hope your mom was alive to witness that. She'd have been mighty proud of her little boy! ---------------------------------------- She's still around, but not in the best of shape. She's 85 and has a rare form of progressive MS that limits her ability to get around. My dad died a year before I sold the company. During his last years he was carting my mother around all over the country to specialists and medical facilities trying to diagnose what her (then undetermined) medical problems were. It was after he died that the rare MS was positively diagnosed. I am not particularly religious, but things seem to happen for a reason sometimes. She was going downhill emotionally and physically after his death. Their house still had a mortgage on it and it was not ideally set up for a wheelchair bound person. The sale of the company suddenly put me in a financial position to pay off her mortgage and then a year later we bought her a house nearer to us that we extensively modified to accommodate her condition and situation. She lived there for the next eight years until her physical condition made an assisted living/nursing home necessary. As I mentioned to JPS, there are a couple of more chapters to "the story" that are as bizarre (or more so) as the one I disclosed here. Someday maybe I'll write a book. Having a little money doesn't guarantee happiness, but what you *do* with it certainly has it's rewards that are not necessarily financial in nature. My mom died in '97. She was living in Seattle, was diagnosed with leukemia, and I talked her into moving in with us. She didn't like the idea, but eventually realized it was for her own good. The doctors told me she'd probably live another 5-7 years. She moved here in August and died in October of the same year. Damn shame. Sorry to hear about your mom's health. Sounds like you've done all you can. |
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On Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:41:57 AM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Thursday, December 6, 2012 9:09:09 AM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... Smart move to default on his debts and not pay his taxes? Is that a liberal's take on his situation? Why must you lump everyone that doesn't 100% agree with your far right ideals into one small, narrow minded category? You saying jps isn't a liberal? No. Do you think all conservatives are like the Westboro church people? No. Do you think all conservatives listen to Rush and watch FOX? If not, why must you lump everyone that doesn't 100% agree with your far left ideals into one small, narrow minded category? |
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says... On Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:41:57 AM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thursday, December 6, 2012 9:09:09 AM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... Smart move to default on his debts and not pay his taxes? Is that a liberal's take on his situation? Why must you lump everyone that doesn't 100% agree with your far right ideals into one small, narrow minded category? You saying jps isn't a liberal? No. Do you think all conservatives are like the Westboro church people? No. Do you think all conservatives listen to Rush and watch FOX? If not, why must you lump everyone that doesn't 100% agree with your far left ideals into one small, narrow minded category? No, I don't. But I believe that the ones that are here espousing Rush's and other FOXite's exact words must have gottent them from somewhere. |
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 20:56:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"jps" wrote in message .. . We see the world in a very similar way. I've built my company in the same fashion but the dollar value of our product isn't as high, as we're in corporate instead of defense. No loans, very little money invested outside of the prinicipals, all profits plunged back into R&D. I hope to experience a similar day to yours, before I keel over or move into an old folks home. Love reading your story, thanks for sharing. One difference I'll point out between venture vs. vulture. Venture capitalists are more interested in making successes of their bets, vultures don't care where the profits come from, even if it's the company pension plan or burying the company in debt, the cash from which is paid out to the vulture capital firm. ------------------------------------------------------------------ One thing I always believed (at the risk of it sounding like Mitt Romney). Treat the company as if it's a person. Guide it, nurture it, grow it, protect it. If you take care of the company, the company will take care of you and it's employees. The "company" becomes the personification of all the people within it, and they will prosper as the company does. As for venture versus vultu Venture Capitalists are the good guys when the company is growing and needs financing. Vulture Capitalists are the same guys when things turn to ****. Not sure about that. Negative capitalism is a pursuit. There are plenty of guys out there looking to acquire companies whose assets are worth more than their market value. They're experts at dismantling companies in order to sell their parts. I assume every once in a while they come across something worth saving. |
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 21:30:45 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"jps" wrote in message .. . We see the world in a very similar way. I've built my company in the same fashion but the dollar value of our product isn't as high, as we're in corporate instead of defense. ---------------------------------------- Be careful of what you claim to have built. Not politically correct now-a-days. :-) Oh, I built it alright. But I also recognize that I'd have had little chance of success without the investment we've all made in US infrastructure. Public, higher ed is responsible for the brain trust that makes our company's products. The internet helps us market our products and conduct efficient communications. Our shipments go out over road and bridges we all bought. I pay plenty of taxes but I didn't build the infrastructure that supports my company. |
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On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:39:47 -0800, thumper wrote:
On 12/6/2012 6:15 AM, wrote: Close enough. "If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen." Deliberate lack of context to alter the meaning. That's dishonest. It's the only way three poontang can win an argument. He's as clueless and Romney was in the last days of his campaign. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 20:56:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: As for venture versus vultu Venture Capitalists are the good guys when the company is growing and needs financing. Vulture Capitalists are the same guys when things turn to ****. Not sure about that. Negative capitalism is a pursuit. There are plenty of guys out there looking to acquire companies whose assets are worth more than their market value. They're experts at dismantling companies in order to sell their parts. I assume every once in a while they come across something worth saving. -------------------------------------------- Ok. I guess I have to plead being recently guilty. A couple of weeks ago, I took an Eric Johnson Signature Series Fender Stratocaster in trade. On the used market, they typically sell for between $1,100 and $1,200 in excellent condition and with the original Fender case. This one was in excellent condition, but did not have the original case. That de-values it to probably about $900 - $1,000. So, I took it all apart and sold the parts individually on eBay. This was the first time I ever tried this. Body, neck, hardware, pickguard (with pickups and controls), neck plate, tremolo system, etc., everything except the non-original case, which I kept. Netted a total of $1,600 selling the parts individually. :-) I got the idea from a guy I know who has been doing this for years as a retirement business with his wife. He buys vintage and non-vintage guitars cheap, parts them out, and sells the parts on eBay. He averages about $200K a year in revenues with a total cost (not including his time, which isn't that much) of about $25K - $30K. The post office even supplies him with free shipping boxes and packaging. Not a bad little retirement business. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 20:56:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: As for venture versus vultu Venture Capitalists are the good guys when the company is growing and needs financing. Vulture Capitalists are the same guys when things turn to ****. Not sure about that. Negative capitalism is a pursuit. There are plenty of guys out there looking to acquire companies whose assets are worth more than their market value. They're experts at dismantling companies in order to sell their parts. I assume every once in a while they come across something worth saving. -------------------------------------------- Ok. I guess I have to plead being recently guilty. A couple of weeks ago, I took an Eric Johnson Signature Series Fender Stratocaster in trade. On the used market, they typically sell for between $1,100 and $1,200 in excellent condition and with the original Fender case. This one was in excellent condition, but did not have the original case. That de-values it to probably about $900 - $1,000. So, I took it all apart and sold the parts individually on eBay. This was the first time I ever tried this. Body, neck, hardware, pickguard (with pickups and controls), neck plate, tremolo system, etc., everything except the non-original case, which I kept. Netted a total of $1,600 selling the parts individually. :-) I got the idea from a guy I know who has been doing this for years as a retirement business with his wife. He buys vintage and non-vintage guitars cheap, parts them out, and sells the parts on eBay. He averages about $200K a year in revenues with a total cost (not including his time, which isn't that much) of about $25K - $30K. The post office even supplies him with free shipping boxes and packaging. Not a bad little retirement business. There's nothing wrong with that. |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 19:22:28 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"jps" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 20:56:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: As for venture versus vultu Venture Capitalists are the good guys when the company is growing and needs financing. Vulture Capitalists are the same guys when things turn to ****. Not sure about that. Negative capitalism is a pursuit. There are plenty of guys out there looking to acquire companies whose assets are worth more than their market value. They're experts at dismantling companies in order to sell their parts. I assume every once in a while they come across something worth saving. -------------------------------------------- Ok. I guess I have to plead being recently guilty. A couple of weeks ago, I took an Eric Johnson Signature Series Fender Stratocaster in trade. On the used market, they typically sell for between $1,100 and $1,200 in excellent condition and with the original Fender case. This one was in excellent condition, but did not have the original case. That de-values it to probably about $900 - $1,000. So, I took it all apart and sold the parts individually on eBay. This was the first time I ever tried this. Body, neck, hardware, pickguard (with pickups and controls), neck plate, tremolo system, etc., everything except the non-original case, which I kept. Netted a total of $1,600 selling the parts individually. :-) I got the idea from a guy I know who has been doing this for years as a retirement business with his wife. He buys vintage and non-vintage guitars cheap, parts them out, and sells the parts on eBay. He averages about $200K a year in revenues with a total cost (not including his time, which isn't that much) of about $25K - $30K. The post office even supplies him with free shipping boxes and packaging. Not a bad little retirement business. I've done the same thing with a couple old Moto Guzzi motorcycles. Sold the individual parts and netted three times what I'd have gotten for the bikes. |
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On Dec 5, 7:36*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"jps" *wrote in message ... On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 18:41:32 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: The bonuses to management and salaries of the hired "turnaround" guy are peanuts when compared to the overall debt and are very commonplace in Chapter 7 situations like this. * The bankruptcy judge approved them for reason. * The simplistic views of bystanders are understandable but don't reflect reality. Except the "turnaround" guy is part of the vulture capital group. Just another way to suck the bones dry whilst they're screwing the employees out of their pensions and whatever else they can grab. Who's to say your idea that it's far more complex isn't just another view of a "bystander" who doesn't understand how awfully simple it all is? ------------------------------------------------------- I am not an expert on the subject but I've had some direct experience. I was a principle (small, 5% stockholder and employee) in a company that had venture capital, bank and private (me included) *financing. The company did ok for several years but started coming apart financially in 1986 due to Congress debating tax reforms for over a year. * Orders for equipment were put on hold and some orders were cancelled because the customers (primarily large commercial and defense contractors) didn't know how the tax reform debate would affect their bottom lines. *Very similar to what's going on today. I witnessed up front and personal as the venture capital group installed a turn around specialist in the company with all the best of intentions. I can tell you that they view the company strictly through financial eyes and not from any sense of loyalty to employees or consideration to their families. *They have a hard core attitude that is at odds with the company's management who typically have some emotions involved and have no desire to lay people off. *The turn around guy, along with management, has to determine which employees are absolutely necessary for jobs in progress and for company value for a potential sale or further investment. * It's not a pleasant experience, but it is necessary. *He was doing his job. *It tore me apart. In the end, the bank called the note owed to them and the company went into involuntary bankruptcy. *The primary principle, CEO and president knew it was coming and skipped town a few weeks before, "on vacation". He was seriously affected and in a state of acute depression. * I happened to be second in command *in the owner's absence and tried unsuccessfully to contact him when employee's paychecks started bouncing. *I called the bank and learned that all the company's accounts were frozen. * I then *called the company's attorneys and was advised to immediately lay off *all* remaining employees which was not exactly a wonderful experience. * Ultimately, the company was sold in an "arranged" auction by the bankruptcy court. That's is the *simplified* version of what happened in this example. Obviously, there were many more details and gut retching issues during this horrible experience. *I left that company immediately after the sale and worked as a consultant to a major defense contractor to make ends meet. I was then 37 years old. There was a personal benefit derived from it however. * A few years later, when I started my own company, *I swore to never make the mistakes that I witnessed during this experience. * *I've mentioned the company from time to time here in the newsgroup but have never told the whole story. * As a business owner, you may find it interesting, *so here goes: In January of 1990, *I incorporated the company. *Like the one that went bankrupt in 1988, *it designed and built high tech capital equipment for commercial and military applications. * Initially the company consisted of me, my wife (receptionist and book keeper) and a friend from the previous company. *We did all the engineering and design and subcontracted all the fabrication, machining and heavy construction. *We did the control systems in-house and the final assembly and test. The only funding was my personal savings of approximately $25,000. *We secured a couple of small contracts from people we knew from the previous company. * I will always be grateful for their support and confidence that they exhibited at the time. *Bigger contracts came along in short order. * These are large dollar value items and they are typically paid on a "progress payment schedule" *that consisted of several payments over the period of the contract, based on achievement of specified milestones. *I managed the finances essentially by having the customers finance their own projects. I never had a bank line of credit or loan and I never borrowed any money from anyone. *We added equipment when we could to do almost all the fabrication in-house, paid for out of profit, not loans. *I also sought and brought into the company several highly qualified people in engineering, finance and manufacturing disiplines, *giving them all a stock position as well as a salary. By the end of 1999, the company had grown to about 70 employees with revenues of about $17M annually. *It came up on the radar screen of some bigger companies and two of them ended up making formal offers to acquire it in late 2000. At the time the physical assets of the company (meaning manufacturing equipment, engineering equipment, test equipment, etc.) *probably totaled about $500K *in value. * The rest of the value of the company was in intellectual property and goodwill. One of the two companies offered a deal whereby the stockholders in my company would receive stock in the their company. My company would become a division of theirs, building equipment only for them. The other company offered cash. *They wanted to expand the company with further investments and market our equipment to the industry in general. Now, I may be uneducated in the ways of business and finance, but I am not a complete idiot. *The company had grown to a point where it needed the expertise and resources of a larger organization for continued growth. * At this point I still owned 67% of the company and it was getting more complicated to run. * I knew my limits. So, the company was acquired for a little over $21 million *in cash. The due diligence lasted only about 3 months before closing and every day that I got up I couldn't believe it was all really happening. * We had no debt, *no bank loans and no venture capitalists to pay off. The proceeds went to the stockholders. At the time of closing, and after all the adjustments were made for work in progress, etc., *the company had $1.5M *in the bank, which we would retain. A week before the closing, I called a meeting of all the stockholders and proposed an employee bonus plan, using this money. It was unanimously agreed to. The day after the closing, I called a meeting of all the employees. My wife had made out checks to everyone. *It basically came down to $1,000 for every month or part of a month that the employee had worked for the company. * Several *had been with the company for 10 years. The average was about 6 years. *Some received over $120,000. *A couple had just joined the company, but still received at least $1,000. That day was one of the most satisfying day of my life. * Several people received enough money to pay off their home mortgages. *Others now had the money to buy their first house. * It was funny as hell to watch the reaction when I announced the bonus formula. *You could see people mentally adding up the number of months they had been employed as I explained how it would work. * Meanwhile, my wife was walking around handing out envelopes with the checks in them to all the employees. * Great day. As for me, *part of the acquisition deal included a three year "consulting" agreement and non-compete clause. *They didn't have to worry. *To this day I have no regrets and absolutely no interest in getting involved in that industry again. The only reason I started the goofy guitar shop thing is because I was starting to drive my poor wife nuts, not having anything of importance to do. She's the one who, after looking at my modest collection of guitars, amplifiers and Hammond B3 organ, suggested I open a "music shop". I thought that would interesting and have been involved with it for the past 3 and a half years. * I realized however that I was never designed or cut out to deal in a retail world, so I have turned the shop over to a friend who is both a musician and a luthier. * I stay involved, more as a hobby and place to go, but he now owns and runs the place. * It too is growing and will be moving to a larger facility early next year. That's my story and I am sticking to it. Excellent, Richard! Hard work, guts and ingenuity. Thanks for demonstrating how it paid off. |
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On Dec 6, 8:42*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
*Having a little money doesn't guarantee happiness, but what you *do* with it certainly has it's rewards that are not necessarily financial in nature. I haven't always succeeded Richard, but I've made it a point to try to live up to that standard all my working life. Not IN money, bu it's paid be back rather soundly too! |
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says... On 12/13/12 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) It is not insulting to point out that, typically, the government builds the infrastructure that makes business possible. Depends. I bet Eisboch wasn't insulted. He was - maybe still is - a genuine "job creator." The GOP and the dopes here think because you hired people to further your business and hopefully become wealthy - well, then everybody should kiss your ass, and give you personal God-like credit for building the interstates, the electrical grid, and Hoover dam. Being successful, wealthy and respected just isn't enough. They need their asses constantly kissed by their "lessers." Classic kiss up, kick down. That's why the dopes here so eagerly kissed Romney's ass. Thank God the ass-kissers were a minority at the polls. Wouldn't want a low-life, flip-flopping, vulture money-grubber like Romney as President of The United States of America, would we? BTW, the dopes here probably don't know that 77% of "small businesses" don't even have employees. That's right, a "small business" is most likely a one-man shop. An eBay seller - or a ****ing lawyer. The eBay sellers don't benefit from lower high income tax rates. Most of them don't report income and probably draw food stamps to avoid starving. So it's basically rich lawyers the GOP is looking out for. Maybe K-Street lobbyists and other scammers taking advantage of the tax code too. Got nothing to do with "job creators." That's just GOP bull****. Only rubes buy it. |
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On 12/13/2012 4:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. It's amazing how easily some people get insulted. I thought these smart business leaders were supposed to be tough. It's bull**** politics. They WANT to take whatever they can as an "insult" to get over on the other side. It's all pussy Fox "News" politics. A sane person knows what a real insult is. And real insults are in most cases redressed by an apology. |
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On 12/13/2012 10:06 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On 12/13/12 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) It is not insulting to point out that, typically, the government builds the infrastructure that makes business possible. Depends. I bet Eisboch wasn't insulted. He was - maybe still is - a genuine "job creator." The GOP and the dopes here think because you hired people to further your business and hopefully become wealthy - well, then everybody should kiss your ass, and give you personal God-like credit If the DNC dopes would stop campaigning and actyally pass a ****ing budget, or cut some spending not double down on it... maybe we could get something done... for building the interstates, the electrical grid, and Hoover dam. Being successful, wealthy and respected just isn't enough. They need their asses constantly kissed by their "lessers." Classic kiss up, kick down. That's why the dopes here so eagerly kissed Romney's ass. Thank God the ass-kissers were a minority at the polls. Wouldn't want a low-life, flip-flopping, vulture money-grubber like Romney as President of The United States of America, would we? BTW, the dopes here probably don't know that 77% of "small businesses" don't even have employees. That's right, a "small business" is most likely a one-man shop. An eBay seller - or a ****ing lawyer. The eBay sellers don't benefit from lower high income tax rates. Most of them don't report income and probably draw food stamps to avoid starving. So it's basically rich lawyers the GOP is looking out for. Maybe K-Street lobbyists and other scammers taking advantage of the tax code too. Got nothing to do with "job creators." That's just GOP bull****. Only rubes buy it. |
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says... On 12/13/12 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) It is not insulting to point out that, typically, the government builds the infrastructure that makes business possible. The government doesn't build anything, they fund it. |
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On 12/13/2012 10:06 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/13/12 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) It is not insulting to point out that, typically, the government builds the infrastructure that makes business possible. Depends. I bet Eisboch wasn't insulted. He was - maybe still is - a genuine "job creator." The GOP and the dopes here think because you hired people to further your business and hopefully become wealthy - well, then everybody should kiss your ass, and give you personal God-like credit If the DNC dopes would stop campaigning and actyally pass a ****ing budget, or cut some spending not double down on it... maybe we could get something done... If the RNC would stop obstructing and actually pass a ****ing budget, maybe we could get something done. |
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On 12/13/2012 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) Just a quick question... Who the hell does the idiot in Chief think paid for those frekin' roads? Apples and oranges, FOXite. |
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:06:46 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On 12/13/12 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) It is not insulting to point out that, typically, the government builds the infrastructure that makes business possible. Depends. I bet Eisboch wasn't insulted. He was - maybe still is - a genuine "job creator." The GOP and the dopes here think because you hired people to further your business and hopefully become wealthy - well, then everybody should kiss your ass, and give you personal God-like credit for building the interstates, the electrical grid, and Hoover dam. Being successful, wealthy and respected just isn't enough. They need their asses constantly kissed by their "lessers." Classic kiss up, kick down. That's why the dopes here so eagerly kissed Romney's ass. Thank God the ass-kissers were a minority at the polls. Wouldn't want a low-life, flip-flopping, vulture money-grubber like Romney as President of The United States of America, would we? BTW, the dopes here probably don't know that 77% of "small businesses" don't even have employees. That's right, a "small business" is most likely a one-man shop. An eBay seller - or a ****ing lawyer. The eBay sellers don't benefit from lower high income tax rates. Most of them don't report income and probably draw food stamps to avoid starving. So it's basically rich lawyers the GOP is looking out for. Maybe K-Street lobbyists and other scammers taking advantage of the tax code too. Got nothing to do with "job creators." That's just GOP bull****. Only rubes buy it. The companies (not the government) that built Hoover Dam deserve a *lot* (although not God-like) of credit for doing so. The government didn't build it, that's for dam sure! It was built by job creators. Now, quit kissing up to Krause. |
Greedy Restructuring Asshole (long)
On 12/14/2012 7:40 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 12/13/12 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) It is not insulting to point out that, typically, the government builds the infrastructure that makes business possible. The government doesn't build anything, they fund it. No, you fund it... |
Greedy Restructuring Asshole (long)
GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:06:46 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/13/12 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) It is not insulting to point out that, typically, the government builds the infrastructure that makes business possible. Depends. I bet Eisboch wasn't insulted. He was - maybe still is - a genuine "job creator." The GOP and the dopes here think because you hired people to further your business and hopefully become wealthy - well, then everybody should kiss your ass, and give you personal God-like credit for building the interstates, the electrical grid, and Hoover dam. Being successful, wealthy and respected just isn't enough. They need their asses constantly kissed by their "lessers." Classic kiss up, kick down. That's why the dopes here so eagerly kissed Romney's ass. Thank God the ass-kissers were a minority at the polls. Wouldn't want a low-life, flip-flopping, vulture money-grubber like Romney as President of The United States of America, would we? BTW, the dopes here probably don't know that 77% of "small businesses" don't even have employees. That's right, a "small business" is most likely a one-man shop. An eBay seller - or a ****ing lawyer. The eBay sellers don't benefit from lower high income tax rates. Most of them don't report income and probably draw food stamps to avoid starving. So it's basically rich lawyers the GOP is looking out for. Maybe K-Street lobbyists and other scammers taking advantage of the tax code too. Got nothing to do with "job creators." That's just GOP bull****. Only rubes buy it. The companies (not the government) that built Hoover Dam deserve a *lot* (although not God-like) of credit for doing so. The government didn't build it, that's for dam sure! It was built by job creators. Now, quit kissing up to Krause. The Federal gov did not fund Hoover Dam. They knew it was needed, but there were electric contracts and water contracts in place that would pay for dam. Was required before the Fed's signed off. |
Greedy Restructuring Asshole (long)
ESAD wrote:
On 12/13/12 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) It is not insulting to point out that, typically, the government builds the infrastructure that makes business possible. And WHO is the government, in your mind? I realize it's an entity you don't send tax money to, but is it politicians, or EVERYONE? |
Greedy Restructuring Asshole (long)
In article 777884126377209988.909032bmckeenospam-
, says... GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:06:46 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/13/12 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) It is not insulting to point out that, typically, the government builds the infrastructure that makes business possible. Depends. I bet Eisboch wasn't insulted. He was - maybe still is - a genuine "job creator." The GOP and the dopes here think because you hired people to further your business and hopefully become wealthy - well, then everybody should kiss your ass, and give you personal God-like credit for building the interstates, the electrical grid, and Hoover dam. Being successful, wealthy and respected just isn't enough. They need their asses constantly kissed by their "lessers." Classic kiss up, kick down. That's why the dopes here so eagerly kissed Romney's ass. Thank God the ass-kissers were a minority at the polls. Wouldn't want a low-life, flip-flopping, vulture money-grubber like Romney as President of The United States of America, would we? BTW, the dopes here probably don't know that 77% of "small businesses" don't even have employees. That's right, a "small business" is most likely a one-man shop. An eBay seller - or a ****ing lawyer. The eBay sellers don't benefit from lower high income tax rates. Most of them don't report income and probably draw food stamps to avoid starving. So it's basically rich lawyers the GOP is looking out for. Maybe K-Street lobbyists and other scammers taking advantage of the tax code too. Got nothing to do with "job creators." That's just GOP bull****. Only rubes buy it. The companies (not the government) that built Hoover Dam deserve a *lot* (although not God-like) of credit for doing so. The government didn't build it, that's for dam sure! It was built by job creators. Now, quit kissing up to Krause. The Federal gov did not fund Hoover Dam. They knew it was needed, but there were electric contracts and water contracts in place that would pay for dam. Was required before the Fed's signed off. Even before Congress approved the Boulder Canyon Project, the Bureau of Reclamation was considering what kind of dam should be used. Officials eventually decided on a massive concrete arch-gravity dam, the design of which was overseen by the Bureau's chief design engineer John L. Savage. The monolithic dam would be thick at the bottom and thin near the top, and would present a convex face towards the water above the dam. The curving arch of the dam would transmit the water's force into the abutments, in this case the rock walls of the canyon. The wedge-shaped dam would be 660 ft (200 m) thick at the bottom, narrowing to 45 ft (14 m) at the top, leaving room for a highway connecting Nevada and Arizona. [21] On January 10, 1931, the Bureau made the bid documents available to interested parties, at five dollars a copy. The government was to provide the materials; but the contractor was to prepare the site and build the dam. The dam was described in minute detail, covering 100 pages of text and 76 drawings. A $2 million bid bond was to accompany each bid; the winner would have to post a $5 million performance bond. The contractor had seven years to build the dam, or penalties would ensue.[22] |
Greedy Restructuring Asshole (long)
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 09:05:39 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 777884126377209988.909032bmckeenospam- , says... GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:06:46 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/13/12 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) It is not insulting to point out that, typically, the government builds the infrastructure that makes business possible. Depends. I bet Eisboch wasn't insulted. He was - maybe still is - a genuine "job creator." The GOP and the dopes here think because you hired people to further your business and hopefully become wealthy - well, then everybody should kiss your ass, and give you personal God-like credit for building the interstates, the electrical grid, and Hoover dam. Being successful, wealthy and respected just isn't enough. They need their asses constantly kissed by their "lessers." Classic kiss up, kick down. That's why the dopes here so eagerly kissed Romney's ass. Thank God the ass-kissers were a minority at the polls. Wouldn't want a low-life, flip-flopping, vulture money-grubber like Romney as President of The United States of America, would we? BTW, the dopes here probably don't know that 77% of "small businesses" don't even have employees. That's right, a "small business" is most likely a one-man shop. An eBay seller - or a ****ing lawyer. The eBay sellers don't benefit from lower high income tax rates. Most of them don't report income and probably draw food stamps to avoid starving. So it's basically rich lawyers the GOP is looking out for. Maybe K-Street lobbyists and other scammers taking advantage of the tax code too. Got nothing to do with "job creators." That's just GOP bull****. Only rubes buy it. The companies (not the government) that built Hoover Dam deserve a *lot* (although not God-like) of credit for doing so. The government didn't build it, that's for dam sure! It was built by job creators. Now, quit kissing up to Krause. The Federal gov did not fund Hoover Dam. They knew it was needed, but there were electric contracts and water contracts in place that would pay for dam. Was required before the Fed's signed off. Even before Congress approved the Boulder Canyon Project, the Bureau of Reclamation was considering what kind of dam should be used. Officials eventually decided on a massive concrete arch-gravity dam, the design of which was overseen by the Bureau's chief design engineer John L. Savage. The monolithic dam would be thick at the bottom and thin near the top, and would present a convex face towards the water above the dam. The curving arch of the dam would transmit the water's force into the abutments, in this case the rock walls of the canyon. The wedge-shaped dam would be 660 ft (200 m) thick at the bottom, narrowing to 45 ft (14 m) at the top, leaving room for a highway connecting Nevada and Arizona. [21] On January 10, 1931, the Bureau made the bid documents available to interested parties, at five dollars a copy. The government was to provide the materials; but the contractor was to prepare the site and build the dam. The dam was described in minute detail, covering 100 pages of text and 76 drawings. A $2 million bid bond was to accompany each bid; the winner would have to post a $5 million performance bond. The contractor had seven years to build the dam, or penalties would ensue.[22] The companies (not the government) that built Hoover Dam deserve a *lot* (although not God-like) of credit for doing so. The government didn't build it, that's for dam sure! It was built by job creators. |
Greedy Restructuring Asshole (long)
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
... In article 777884126377209988.909032bmckeenospam- , says... GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:06:46 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/13/12 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) It is not insulting to point out that, typically, the government builds the infrastructure that makes business possible. Depends. I bet Eisboch wasn't insulted. He was - maybe still is - a genuine "job creator." The GOP and the dopes here think because you hired people to further your business and hopefully become wealthy - well, then everybody should kiss your ass, and give you personal God-like credit for building the interstates, the electrical grid, and Hoover dam. Being successful, wealthy and respected just isn't enough. They need their asses constantly kissed by their "lessers." Classic kiss up, kick down. That's why the dopes here so eagerly kissed Romney's ass. Thank God the ass-kissers were a minority at the polls. Wouldn't want a low-life, flip-flopping, vulture money-grubber like Romney as President of The United States of America, would we? BTW, the dopes here probably don't know that 77% of "small businesses" don't even have employees. That's right, a "small business" is most likely a one-man shop. An eBay seller - or a ****ing lawyer. The eBay sellers don't benefit from lower high income tax rates. Most of them don't report income and probably draw food stamps to avoid starving. So it's basically rich lawyers the GOP is looking out for. Maybe K-Street lobbyists and other scammers taking advantage of the tax code too. Got nothing to do with "job creators." That's just GOP bull****. Only rubes buy it. The companies (not the government) that built Hoover Dam deserve a *lot* (although not God-like) of credit for doing so. The government didn't build it, that's for dam sure! It was built by job creators. Now, quit kissing up to Krause. The Federal gov did not fund Hoover Dam. They knew it was needed, but there were electric contracts and water contracts in place that would pay for dam. Was required before the Fed's signed off. Even before Congress approved the Boulder Canyon Project, the Bureau of Reclamation was considering what kind of dam should be used. Officials eventually decided on a massive concrete arch-gravity dam, the design of which was overseen by the Bureau's chief design engineer John L. Savage. The monolithic dam would be thick at the bottom and thin near the top, and would present a convex face towards the water above the dam. The curving arch of the dam would transmit the water's force into the abutments, in this case the rock walls of the canyon. The wedge-shaped dam would be 660 ft (200 m) thick at the bottom, narrowing to 45 ft (14 m) at the top, leaving room for a highway connecting Nevada and Arizona. [21] On January 10, 1931, the Bureau made the bid documents available to interested parties, at five dollars a copy. The government was to provide the materials; but the contractor was to prepare the site and build the dam. The dam was described in minute detail, covering 100 pages of text and 76 drawings. A $2 million bid bond was to accompany each bid; the winner would have to post a $5 million performance bond. The contractor had seven years to build the dam, or penalties would ensue.[22] ----------------------- True enough. But the government chose the wrong location and the dam was built further upstream, and there were enough contracts for water and electricity that the Fed's did not have to spend the money to build the dam. Herbert Hoover required the contracts before the Federal Government would sign off on the project. The location had been studied since about 1900, so the general location was known. The financing was the problem, and Hoover told his people to get contracts to cover the money. Seems as if the Presidents of the USA for the last bunch of years could learn from the fiscal responsibility of Hoover. |
Greedy Restructuring Asshole (long)
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article 777884126377209988.909032bmckeenospam- , says... GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:06:46 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/13/12 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) It is not insulting to point out that, typically, the government builds the infrastructure that makes business possible. Depends. I bet Eisboch wasn't insulted. He was - maybe still is - a genuine "job creator." The GOP and the dopes here think because you hired people to further your business and hopefully become wealthy - well, then everybody should kiss your ass, and give you personal God-like credit for building the interstates, the electrical grid, and Hoover dam. Being successful, wealthy and respected just isn't enough. They need their asses constantly kissed by their "lessers." Classic kiss up, kick down. That's why the dopes here so eagerly kissed Romney's ass. Thank God the ass-kissers were a minority at the polls. Wouldn't want a low-life, flip-flopping, vulture money-grubber like Romney as President of The United States of America, would we? BTW, the dopes here probably don't know that 77% of "small businesses" don't even have employees. That's right, a "small business" is most likely a one-man shop. An eBay seller - or a ****ing lawyer. The eBay sellers don't benefit from lower high income tax rates. Most of them don't report income and probably draw food stamps to avoid starving. So it's basically rich lawyers the GOP is looking out for. Maybe K-Street lobbyists and other scammers taking advantage of the tax code too. Got nothing to do with "job creators." That's just GOP bull****. Only rubes buy it. The companies (not the government) that built Hoover Dam deserve a *lot* (although not God-like) of credit for doing so. The government didn't build it, that's for dam sure! It was built by job creators. Now, quit kissing up to Krause. The Federal gov did not fund Hoover Dam. They knew it was needed, but there were electric contracts and water contracts in place that would pay for dam. Was required before the Fed's signed off. Even before Congress approved the Boulder Canyon Project, the Bureau of Reclamation was considering what kind of dam should be used. Officials eventually decided on a massive concrete arch-gravity dam, the design of which was overseen by the Bureau's chief design engineer John L. Savage. The monolithic dam would be thick at the bottom and thin near the top, and would present a convex face towards the water above the dam. The curving arch of the dam would transmit the water's force into the abutments, in this case the rock walls of the canyon. The wedge-shaped dam would be 660 ft (200 m) thick at the bottom, narrowing to 45 ft (14 m) at the top, leaving room for a highway connecting Nevada and Arizona. [21] On January 10, 1931, the Bureau made the bid documents available to interested parties, at five dollars a copy. The government was to provide the materials; but the contractor was to prepare the site and build the dam. The dam was described in minute detail, covering 100 pages of text and 76 drawings. A $2 million bid bond was to accompany each bid; the winner would have to post a $5 million performance bond. The contractor had seven years to build the dam, or penalties would ensue.[22] ----------------------- True enough. But the government chose the wrong location and the dam was built further upstream, and there were enough contracts for water and electricity that the Fed's did not have to spend the money to build the dam. Herbert Hoover required the contracts before the Federal Government would sign off on the project. The location had been studied since about 1900, so the general location was known. The financing was the problem, and Hoover told his people to get contracts to cover the money. Seems as if the Presidents of the USA for the last bunch of years could learn from the fiscal responsibility of Hoover. But you said it was funded by private entities and that's bull****. |
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iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article 777884126377209988.909032bmckeenospam- , says... GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:06:46 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/13/12 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) It is not insulting to point out that, typically, the government builds the infrastructure that makes business possible. Depends. I bet Eisboch wasn't insulted. He was - maybe still is - a genuine "job creator." The GOP and the dopes here think because you hired people to further your business and hopefully become wealthy - well, then everybody should kiss your ass, and give you personal God-like credit for building the interstates, the electrical grid, and Hoover dam. Being successful, wealthy and respected just isn't enough. They need their asses constantly kissed by their "lessers." Classic kiss up, kick down. That's why the dopes here so eagerly kissed Romney's ass. Thank God the ass-kissers were a minority at the polls. Wouldn't want a low-life, flip-flopping, vulture money-grubber like Romney as President of The United States of America, would we? BTW, the dopes here probably don't know that 77% of "small businesses" don't even have employees. That's right, a "small business" is most likely a one-man shop. An eBay seller - or a ****ing lawyer. The eBay sellers don't benefit from lower high income tax rates. Most of them don't report income and probably draw food stamps to avoid starving. So it's basically rich lawyers the GOP is looking out for. Maybe K-Street lobbyists and other scammers taking advantage of the tax code too. Got nothing to do with "job creators." That's just GOP bull****. Only rubes buy it. The companies (not the government) that built Hoover Dam deserve a *lot* (although not God-like) of credit for doing so. The government didn't build it, that's for dam sure! It was built by job creators. Now, quit kissing up to Krause. The Federal gov did not fund Hoover Dam. They knew it was needed, but there were electric contracts and water contracts in place that would pay for dam. Was required before the Fed's signed off. Even before Congress approved the Boulder Canyon Project, the Bureau of Reclamation was considering what kind of dam should be used. Officials eventually decided on a massive concrete arch-gravity dam, the design of which was overseen by the Bureau's chief design engineer John L. Savage. The monolithic dam would be thick at the bottom and thin near the top, and would present a convex face towards the water above the dam. The curving arch of the dam would transmit the water's force into the abutments, in this case the rock walls of the canyon. The wedge-shaped dam would be 660 ft (200 m) thick at the bottom, narrowing to 45 ft (14 m) at the top, leaving room for a highway connecting Nevada and Arizona. [21] On January 10, 1931, the Bureau made the bid documents available to interested parties, at five dollars a copy. The government was to provide the materials; but the contractor was to prepare the site and build the dam. The dam was described in minute detail, covering 100 pages of text and 76 drawings. A $2 million bid bond was to accompany each bid; the winner would have to post a $5 million performance bond. The contractor had seven years to build the dam, or penalties would ensue.[22] ----------------------- True enough. But the government chose the wrong location and the dam was built further upstream, and there were enough contracts for water and electricity that the Fed's did not have to spend the money to build the dam. Herbert Hoover required the contracts before the Federal Government would sign off on the project. The location had been studied since about 1900, so the general location was known. The financing was the problem, and Hoover told his people to get contracts to cover the money. Seems as if the Presidents of the USA for the last bunch of years could learn from the fiscal responsibility of Hoover. But you said it was funded by private entities and that's bull****. Where did I say private entities funded the dam? I stated the Federal Government did not do the funding. Some of the groups were quasi government, while others were private. Water and electric districts. |
Greedy Restructuring Asshole (long)
In article 1441891429377309526.497170bmckeenospam-
, says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article 777884126377209988.909032bmckeenospam- , says... GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:06:46 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/13/12 7:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:44:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Yes, and here is his EXACT words: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." That is still an insult to the people who worked hard and created a successful business when lesser people failed on that same road. On the other hand we have a syndicate that built their own road so they would have a place to start businesses. It is one of the most successful business corridors in Ft Myers. (Metro Parkway) It is not insulting to point out that, typically, the government builds the infrastructure that makes business possible. Depends. I bet Eisboch wasn't insulted. He was - maybe still is - a genuine "job creator." The GOP and the dopes here think because you hired people to further your business and hopefully become wealthy - well, then everybody should kiss your ass, and give you personal God-like credit for building the interstates, the electrical grid, and Hoover dam. Being successful, wealthy and respected just isn't enough. They need their asses constantly kissed by their "lessers." Classic kiss up, kick down. That's why the dopes here so eagerly kissed Romney's ass. Thank God the ass-kissers were a minority at the polls. Wouldn't want a low-life, flip-flopping, vulture money-grubber like Romney as President of The United States of America, would we? BTW, the dopes here probably don't know that 77% of "small businesses" don't even have employees. That's right, a "small business" is most likely a one-man shop. An eBay seller - or a ****ing lawyer. The eBay sellers don't benefit from lower high income tax rates. Most of them don't report income and probably draw food stamps to avoid starving. So it's basically rich lawyers the GOP is looking out for. Maybe K-Street lobbyists and other scammers taking advantage of the tax code too. Got nothing to do with "job creators." That's just GOP bull****. Only rubes buy it. The companies (not the government) that built Hoover Dam deserve a *lot* (although not God-like) of credit for doing so. The government didn't build it, that's for dam sure! It was built by job creators. Now, quit kissing up to Krause. The Federal gov did not fund Hoover Dam. They knew it was needed, but there were electric contracts and water contracts in place that would pay for dam. Was required before the Fed's signed off. Even before Congress approved the Boulder Canyon Project, the Bureau of Reclamation was considering what kind of dam should be used. Officials eventually decided on a massive concrete arch-gravity dam, the design of which was overseen by the Bureau's chief design engineer John L. Savage. The monolithic dam would be thick at the bottom and thin near the top, and would present a convex face towards the water above the dam. The curving arch of the dam would transmit the water's force into the abutments, in this case the rock walls of the canyon. The wedge-shaped dam would be 660 ft (200 m) thick at the bottom, narrowing to 45 ft (14 m) at the top, leaving room for a highway connecting Nevada and Arizona. [21] On January 10, 1931, the Bureau made the bid documents available to interested parties, at five dollars a copy. The government was to provide the materials; but the contractor was to prepare the site and build the dam. The dam was described in minute detail, covering 100 pages of text and 76 drawings. A $2 million bid bond was to accompany each bid; the winner would have to post a $5 million performance bond. The contractor had seven years to build the dam, or penalties would ensue.[22] ----------------------- True enough. But the government chose the wrong location and the dam was built further upstream, and there were enough contracts for water and electricity that the Fed's did not have to spend the money to build the dam. Herbert Hoover required the contracts before the Federal Government would sign off on the project. The location had been studied since about 1900, so the general location was known. The financing was the problem, and Hoover told his people to get contracts to cover the money. Seems as if the Presidents of the USA for the last bunch of years could learn from the fiscal responsibility of Hoover. But you said it was funded by private entities and that's bull****. Where did I say private entities funded the dam? I stated the Federal Government did not do the funding. Some of the groups were quasi government, while others were private. Water and electric districts. The government funded it. Others BUILT it. |
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