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On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:41:01 -0400, Sarah Ehrett
wrote:

I'm in RI. Three wind turbines here have already failed and they're each
barely powering one building.

Wind Turbine Failures
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=...1024&bih =587

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There's an interesting and well balanced reliability discussion he

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/...ox-reliability

Block Island, RI has some of the highest electric rates on the east
coast and also has outstanding average wind velocity. Champlain's
Marina put in their own diesel gensets almost 30 years ago because
they felt they could generate at lower rates than the local muni plant
was charging. The demand there is highly seasonal however and
probably does not justify a big infrastructure investment like a wind
farm.

Here's some interesting stuff:

http://www.erec.org/fileadmin/erec_d...ations/global%
20energy%20grid%20scenario.pdf

On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:07:14 -0400, Sarah Ehrett wrote:

Such as? And what are viable alternatives? France seems to be able to
run dozens of nuclear power plants. I say follow their example.


Fukushima, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, ... By the way, we use produce
close to twice as much nuclear energy than France.


Fusion is the big pie in the sky if someone can figure that out.

And in the mean time hopefully we won't be living back in the 16th
century by depending on wind mills and solar panels.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:06:03 -0400, Sarah Ehrett
wrote:

And how about all the new electric cars we'll have to buy. Off to work
where we'll plug them in to recharge for 11 hours, then back home again to
plug them in again. With the needed electricity daily blackouts will
become lengthy and stretch all across the country.

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Is it possible that you are slightly prone to exaggeration?

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says...

On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:41:01 -0400, Sarah Ehrett
wrote:

I'm in RI. Three wind turbines here have already failed and they're each
barely powering one building.

Wind Turbine Failures
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=...1024&bih =587

===

There's an interesting and well balanced reliability discussion he

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/...ox-reliability

Block Island, RI has some of the highest electric rates on the east
coast and also has outstanding average wind velocity. Champlain's
Marina put in their own diesel gensets almost 30 years ago because
they felt they could generate at lower rates than the local muni plant
was charging. The demand there is highly seasonal however and
probably does not justify a big infrastructure investment like a wind
farm.

Friend of my works in the energy field and he says that the wind
turbines are still have the problem of eating themselves more often than
not.

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:07:14 -0400, Sarah Ehrett wrote:

Such as? And what are viable alternatives? France seems to be able to
run dozens of nuclear power plants. I say follow their example.


Fukushima, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, ... By the way, we use produce
close to twice as much nuclear energy than France.


Fusion is the big pie in the sky if someone can figure that out.

And in the mean time hopefully we won't be living back in the 16th
century by depending on wind mills and solar panels.

France didn't build each nuke plant from scratch like we did. They
weren't trying to provide a jobs program for engineers.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:42:58 -0400, BAR wrote:


France didn't build each nuke plant from scratch like we did. They
weren't trying to provide a jobs program for engineers.

Careful, someone may call you a socialist. :-) France works differently
than we do. After the 1973 oil crisis, Prime Minister instituted a huge
nuclear build program, without public or parliamentary debate. That
wouldn't work here.

If you recall, our response to the oil crisis was Carter's "moral
equivalent of war" speech. Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush I, Clinton, all
have tried to address the energy problem. Maybe in another 30 to 40
years we'll actually do something.

On 9/13/2012 10:05 AM, Wayne.B wrote:

There's an interesting and well balanced reliability discussion he

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/...ox-reliability

Well that sucks... a simple mechanical problem is significantly altering
ROI. It's fixable however.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:27:41 -0400, BAR wrote:

Adding more demand to the ailing grid is the problem.

Short and to the point. Wish I'd read this before I answered.

You have to beat it into them from every angle.

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An ailing grid is inexcusable of course, regardless of what you think
of alternative energy and transportation. It is a tribute to the
weak kneed, preoccupied leadership that we have on both sides of the
aisle.

Let's get behind congressional term limits and throw the bums out !

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:27:41 -0400, BAR wrote:

Adding more demand to the ailing grid is the problem.

Short and to the point. Wish I'd read this before I answered.

You have to beat it into them from every angle.

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An ailing grid is inexcusable of course, regardless of what you think
of alternative energy and transportation. It is a tribute to the
weak kneed, preoccupied leadership that we have on both sides of the
aisle.

Let's get behind congressional term limits and throw the bums out !

You already have the ability to term limit your Congress people. What
you lack is the will to exert the energy necessary to get another guy
elected.

On Saturday, September 15, 2012 9:17:31 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
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Again, please show me where in the article that it states that the
reason for rolling blackouts is specifically tied to shutting down coal
plants.

Good lord, man... you're dense.

http://www.marke****ch.com/story/california-moves-quickly-to-block-new-coal-fired-power-plants

No new plants.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/03/07/207644/news-last-coal-plant-in-pacific-nw-to-shut-down-by-2025-climate-change-will-wreak-havoc-on-britains-coastline-by-2050/?mobile=nc

Phasing out all remaining coal plants. 40% of LA's power comes from coal. (see above article for "cite")

Original article states the loss of "one" plant will likely cause rolling blackouts. Grid and capacity stretched thin already.

Now introduce new loads on the grid from electric cars... say just 10% of their car registrations. 3.2 million electric cars. 1 out of 10.

http://www.chacha.com/question/how-many-registered-vehicles-are-there-in-the-state-of-california

Think man, think!

Gotta go cut the grass, then tailgate at the game. Have fun everyone!