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Worst shooting in Canadian history earlier this week blamed on guns
smuggled in from the US and now you have your own massacre in Colorado. It's time for the US to get tough and ban handguns and automatic weapons. |
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On 7/20/12 6:43 AM, North Star wrote:
Worst shooting in Canadian history earlier this week blamed on guns smuggled in from the US and now you have your own massacre in Colorado. It's time for the US to get tough and ban handguns and automatic weapons. It's not going to happen in this country. |
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On 7/20/2012 6:43 AM, North Star wrote:
Worst shooting in Canadian history earlier this week blamed on guns smuggled in from the US and now you have your own massacre in Colorado. It's time for the US to get tough and ban handguns and automatic weapons. Ridiculous. Guns have never been convicted of any crime. It's time for you to fix your border patrol. |
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On 7/20/2012 8:37 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m, says... On 7/20/2012 6:43 AM, North Star wrote: Worst shooting in Canadian history earlier this week blamed on guns smuggled in from the US and now you have your own massacre in Colorado. It's time for the US to get tough and ban handguns and automatic weapons. Ridiculous. Guns have never been convicted of any crime. It's time for you to fix your border patrol. Yeah, it's the NRA gun nuts behind the guns. That's your opinion |
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In article m,
says... On 7/20/2012 8:37 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article m, says... On 7/20/2012 6:43 AM, North Star wrote: Worst shooting in Canadian history earlier this week blamed on guns smuggled in from the US and now you have your own massacre in Colorado. It's time for the US to get tough and ban handguns and automatic weapons. Ridiculous. Guns have never been convicted of any crime. It's time for you to fix your border patrol. Yeah, it's the NRA gun nuts behind the guns. That's your opinion No, it's fact. |
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On 7/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m, says... On 7/20/2012 8:37 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article m, says... On 7/20/2012 6:43 AM, North Star wrote: Worst shooting in Canadian history earlier this week blamed on guns smuggled in from the US and now you have your own massacre in Colorado. It's time for the US to get tough and ban handguns and automatic weapons. Ridiculous. Guns have never been convicted of any crime. It's time for you to fix your border patrol. Yeah, it's the NRA gun nuts behind the guns. That's your opinion No, it's fact. I'm just going to have to insist that you cite the "fact" |
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On 7/20/12 12:48 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:34:52 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 7/20/12 10:28 AM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 03:43:10 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: It's time for the US to get tough and ban handguns and automatic weapons. They are tough on "automatic weapons" and have been for about 80 years. (NFA 1934). Not tough enough...it's not difficult to get a permit for a fully auto firearm. Huh? I suppose you have never done it. I KNOW you haven't lately since Md is not signing the BATF form 4s anymore in virtually any county. I have no need or interest in owning a fully auto firearm, but I have a buddy out in Redneck, Virginia (but he's not a redneck) who got one made in the Vietnam War era a couple of years ago. I asked him about the paperwork and he said it was nothing special, and the federal charge was something like $100 (to the best of my memory). Therefore, I concluded it was *not difficult* to get a permit for a fully automatic firearm. |
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On 7/20/2012 12:59 PM, X ` Man wrote:
Once upon a time I said; as the story goes, I have no need or interest in owning a fully auto firearm, but I have a buddy out in Redneck, Virginia (but he's not a redneck) who got one made in the Vietnam War era a couple of years ago. I asked him about the paperwork and he said it was nothing special, and the federal charge was something like $100 (to the best of my memory). Therefore, I concluded it was *not difficult* to get a permit for a fully automatic firearm. Once again Harry jumps to conclusions. |
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On Friday, July 20, 2012 8:37:12 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article .com>, says... > > On 7/20/2012 6:43 AM, North Star wrote: > > Worst shooting in Canadian history earlier this week blamed on guns > > smuggled in from the US and now you have your own massacre in > > Colorado. > > It's time for the US to get tough and ban handguns and automatic > > weapons. > > > Ridiculous. Guns have never been convicted of any crime. > It's time for you to fix your border patrol. Yeah, it's the NRA gun nuts behind the guns. Bigot. |
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On 7/20/12 2:53 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:59:33 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 7/20/12 12:48 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:34:52 -0400, X ` Man Not tough enough...it's not difficult to get a permit for a fully auto firearm. Huh? I suppose you have never done it. I KNOW you haven't lately since Md is not signing the BATF form 4s anymore in virtually any county. I have no need or interest in owning a fully auto firearm, but I have a buddy out in Redneck, Virginia (but he's not a redneck) who got one made in the Vietnam War era a couple of years ago. I asked him about the paperwork and he said it was nothing special, and the federal charge was something like $100 (to the best of my memory). Therefore, I concluded it was *not difficult* to get a permit for a fully automatic firearm. Your friend is in Virginia not Maryland and he was minimizing the effort everyone went through although the dealer does most of the real work. First you buy the gun, then you apply. The dealer holds the gun. It is a $200 non refundable application fee and it involves being finger printed, passport pictures and a very extensive background check by the BATF, the FBI, (probably Homeland these days) and when they are happy your state and local police get a swing at it. In the end, your chief local law enforcement officer gets to veto the whole thing by not signing the form. The process takes about 90 days and if anyone along the way has a problem with it, you don't get the gun and you don't get your $200 back. The dealer may also keep some of the money you gave him. The typical handling fee is around 20-30% of the price of the gun. That is usually not refundable either. You're the one who brought up Maryland, not me. I never indicated I was interested in getting a fully auto firearm, I was simply relaying what my friend with one said, that it wasn't difficult, and that he lives in Virginia. Your description of the process confirms what I said. You fill out a form, pay a fee, supply fingerprints and a photo (which you usually have to do to get a carry permit), and wait for it to be approved. Why is that difficult? Maybe down there in Crackerville, Florida, you're just not familiar with the process of filling out forms and waiting for permits. |
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On 7/20/12 3:49 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:02:52 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 7/20/12 2:53 PM, wrote: Your friend is in Virginia not Maryland and he was minimizing the effort everyone went through although the dealer does most of the real work. First you buy the gun, then you apply. The dealer holds the gun. It is a $200 non refundable application fee and it involves being finger printed, passport pictures and a very extensive background check by the BATF, the FBI, (probably Homeland these days) and when they are happy your state and local police get a swing at it. In the end, your chief local law enforcement officer gets to veto the whole thing by not signing the form. The process takes about 90 days and if anyone along the way has a problem with it, you don't get the gun and you don't get your $200 back. The dealer may also keep some of the money you gave him. The typical handling fee is around 20-30% of the price of the gun. That is usually not refundable either. You're the one who brought up Maryland, not me. I never indicated I was interested in getting a fully auto firearm, I was simply relaying what my friend with one said, that it wasn't difficult, and that he lives in Virginia. Your description of the process confirms what I said. You fill out a form, pay a fee, supply fingerprints and a photo (which you usually have to do to get a carry permit), and wait for it to be approved. Why is that difficult? Maybe down there in Crackerville, Florida, you're just not familiar with the process of filling out forms and waiting for permits. It is not hard in a physical sense but it is certainly not just buying one at a gun show. In Maryland you can take home a long gun or shotgun at a gun show right after the "quickie" check but a handgun requires a 10-day wait. I think there should be a 10-day wait for any firearm purchase, and that the sale of fully auto firearms be prohibited to civilians. |
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On Friday, July 20, 2012 3:49:26 PM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:02:52 -0400, X ` Man > wrote: >On 7/20/12 2:53 PM, wrote: >> >> Your friend is in Virginia not Maryland and he was minimizing the >> effort everyone went through although the dealer does most of the real >> work. >> First you buy the gun, then you apply. The dealer holds the gun. >> It is a $200 non refundable application fee and it involves being >> finger printed, passport pictures and a very extensive background >> check by the BATF, the FBI, (probably Homeland these days) and when >> they are happy your state and local police get a swing at it. In the >> end, your chief local law enforcement officer gets to veto the whole >> thing by not signing the form. >> The process takes about 90 days and if anyone along the way has a >> problem with it, you don't get the gun and you don't get your $200 >> back. The dealer may also keep some of the money you gave him. The >> typical handling fee is around 20-30% of the price of the gun. That is >> usually not refundable either. >> > > >You're the one who brought up Maryland, not me. I never indicated I was >interested in getting a fully auto firearm, I was simply relaying what >my friend with one said, that it wasn't difficult, and that he lives in >Virginia. > >Your description of the process confirms what I said. You fill out a >form, pay a fee, supply fingerprints and a photo (which you usually have >to do to get a carry permit), and wait for it to be approved. Why is >that difficult? > >Maybe down there in Crackerville, Florida, you're just not familiar with >the process of filling out forms and waiting for permits. It is not hard in a physical sense but it is certainly not just buying one at a gun show. The hard work is done by others, not the applicant. Besides, if his friend had anything off-color in his history, it wouldn't have been difficult, it would have been impossible. |
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Yeah, it's the NRA gun nuts behind the guns. I don't consider myself to be a 'gun nut' but you've got valid point there. I'm never in front of mine. ?;^ ) |
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On 7/21/12 4:49 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:55:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote: In Maryland you can take home a long gun or shotgun at a gun show right after the "quickie" check but a handgun requires a 10-day wait. I think there should be a 10-day wait for any firearm purchase, and that the sale of fully auto firearms be prohibited to civilians. The number of class III weapons was frozen in 1986 (Reagan) so there have been no new machine guns sold to the public since then. The gandfathered ones are "property" and protected by the 5th and 6th amendments, even if you take the Bloomburg spin on the 2d. Are you really advocating a "taking"? The fact that the machine guns sold are not new is not relevant. Any decent smith can restore a used firearm in reasonable shape to "as new" condition. Yes, I believe civilian possession of automatic firearms ought be be illegal. I also can't think of a reason to allow 30 round or larger mags/clips for semi-auto assault style rifles. I suppose it is fun to pretend you're a boy soldier in Afghanistan, and carrying a rifle that looks like theirs, but most of them aren't so hot for hunting or target practice. I know this because I have hunter friends who take their "sport" seriously and I've asked them about this. In fact, I doubt most of those semi-auto assault rifles or their owners will outshoot for accuracy my .22LR target rifle, and it looks like an ordinary rifle. Its mags only hold 5 or 10 rounds. I've got one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayGk8KaN58 |
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On 7/21/2012 3:08 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/21/12 4:49 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:55:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote: In Maryland you can take home a long gun or shotgun at a gun show right after the "quickie" check but a handgun requires a 10-day wait. I think there should be a 10-day wait for any firearm purchase, and that the sale of fully auto firearms be prohibited to civilians. The number of class III weapons was frozen in 1986 (Reagan) so there have been no new machine guns sold to the public since then. The gandfathered ones are "property" and protected by the 5th and 6th amendments, even if you take the Bloomburg spin on the 2d. Are you really advocating a "taking"? The fact that the machine guns sold are not new is not relevant. Any decent smith can restore a used firearm in reasonable shape to "as new" condition. Yes, I believe civilian possession of automatic firearms ought be be illegal. I also can't think of a reason to allow 30 round or larger mags/clips for semi-auto assault style rifles. I suppose it is fun to pretend you're a boy soldier in Afghanistan, and carrying a rifle that looks like theirs, but most of them aren't so hot for hunting or target practice. I know this because I have hunter friends who take their "sport" seriously and I've asked them about this. In fact, I doubt most of those semi-auto assault rifles or their owners will outshoot for accuracy my .22LR target rifle, and it looks like an ordinary rifle. Its mags only hold 5 or 10 rounds. I've got one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayGk8KaN58 I wasn't aware that our Right to own and bear arms had to meet with your or anybody else's deciding what I could have. I've got a bunch of magazines for 20 rounds and more. I might need them if you and yours decide to assault us and take them. |
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On Jul 24, 8:23*pm, Lil Abner wrote:
On 7/21/2012 3:08 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 7/21/12 4:49 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:55:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote: In Maryland you can take home a long gun or shotgun at a gun show right after the "quickie" check but a handgun requires a 10-day wait. I think there should be a 10-day wait for any firearm purchase, and that the sale of fully auto firearms be prohibited to civilians. The number of class III weapons was frozen in 1986 (Reagan) so there have been no new machine guns sold to the public since then. The gandfathered ones are "property" and protected by the 5th and 6th amendments, even if you take the Bloomburg spin on the 2d. Are you really advocating a "taking"? The fact that the machine guns sold are not new is not relevant. Any decent smith can restore a used firearm in reasonable shape to "as new" condition. Yes, I believe civilian possession of automatic firearms ought be be illegal. I also can't think of a reason to allow 30 round or larger mags/clips for semi-auto assault style rifles. I suppose it is fun to pretend you're a boy soldier in Afghanistan, and carrying a rifle that looks like theirs, but most of them aren't so hot for hunting or target practice. I know this because I have hunter friends who take their "sport" seriously and I've asked them about this. In fact, I doubt most of those semi-auto assault rifles or their owners will outshoot for accuracy my .22LR target rifle, and it looks like an ordinary rifle. Its mags only hold 5 or 10 rounds. I've got one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayGk8KaN58 I wasn't aware that our Right to own and bear arms had to meet with your or anybody else's deciding what I could have. I've got a bunch of magazines for 20 rounds and more. I might need them if you and yours decide to assault us and take them. I had a Romanian AK-47 (wasr-10) with a mag032 -75 round drum magazine. It was a pain to load and cool though a bit inconvenient, but it was a crowd pleaser at the rifle range. I ended up selling the rifle, drum and two 30 rd. clips to a local deputy sheriff. |
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On 7/24/12 9:23 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 7/21/2012 3:08 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 7/21/12 4:49 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:55:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote: In Maryland you can take home a long gun or shotgun at a gun show right after the "quickie" check but a handgun requires a 10-day wait. I think there should be a 10-day wait for any firearm purchase, and that the sale of fully auto firearms be prohibited to civilians. The number of class III weapons was frozen in 1986 (Reagan) so there have been no new machine guns sold to the public since then. The gandfathered ones are "property" and protected by the 5th and 6th amendments, even if you take the Bloomburg spin on the 2d. Are you really advocating a "taking"? The fact that the machine guns sold are not new is not relevant. Any decent smith can restore a used firearm in reasonable shape to "as new" condition. Yes, I believe civilian possession of automatic firearms ought be be illegal. I also can't think of a reason to allow 30 round or larger mags/clips for semi-auto assault style rifles. I suppose it is fun to pretend you're a boy soldier in Afghanistan, and carrying a rifle that looks like theirs, but most of them aren't so hot for hunting or target practice. I know this because I have hunter friends who take their "sport" seriously and I've asked them about this. In fact, I doubt most of those semi-auto assault rifles or their owners will outshoot for accuracy my .22LR target rifle, and it looks like an ordinary rifle. Its mags only hold 5 or 10 rounds. I've got one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayGk8KaN58 I wasn't aware that our Right to own and bear arms had to meet with your or anybody else's deciding what I could have. I've got a bunch of magazines for 20 rounds and more. I might need them if you and yours decide to assault us and take them. Delightful. I'd love to read about how you tried and failed to hold off the authorities. One less bat**** crazy rightie, eh? :) |
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In article , says...
On 7/21/2012 3:08 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 7/21/12 4:49 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:55:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote: In Maryland you can take home a long gun or shotgun at a gun show right after the "quickie" check but a handgun requires a 10-day wait. I think there should be a 10-day wait for any firearm purchase, and that the sale of fully auto firearms be prohibited to civilians. The number of class III weapons was frozen in 1986 (Reagan) so there have been no new machine guns sold to the public since then. The gandfathered ones are "property" and protected by the 5th and 6th amendments, even if you take the Bloomburg spin on the 2d. Are you really advocating a "taking"? The fact that the machine guns sold are not new is not relevant. Any decent smith can restore a used firearm in reasonable shape to "as new" condition. Yes, I believe civilian possession of automatic firearms ought be be illegal. I also can't think of a reason to allow 30 round or larger mags/clips for semi-auto assault style rifles. I suppose it is fun to pretend you're a boy soldier in Afghanistan, and carrying a rifle that looks like theirs, but most of them aren't so hot for hunting or target practice. I know this because I have hunter friends who take their "sport" seriously and I've asked them about this. In fact, I doubt most of those semi-auto assault rifles or their owners will outshoot for accuracy my .22LR target rifle, and it looks like an ordinary rifle. Its mags only hold 5 or 10 rounds. I've got one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayGk8KaN58 I wasn't aware that our Right to own and bear arms had to meet with your or anybody else's deciding what I could have. I've got a bunch of magazines for 20 rounds and more. I might need them if you and yours decide to assault us and take them. Shoot your rim fire .22 at 500 yards for 20% of your score and tell us if you even hit the target. Make sure you use iron sights. |
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On 7/25/12 8:07 AM, BAR wrote:
Shoot your rim fire .22 at 500 yards for 20% of your score and tell us if you even hit the target. Make sure you use iron sights. Ever the asshole, hey, Bertie? Shoot your center fire at a small target 500 yards away using iron sights and let us know who you kill. |
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On 7/25/2012 6:07 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On 7/21/2012 3:08 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 7/21/12 4:49 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:55:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote: In Maryland you can take home a long gun or shotgun at a gun show right after the "quickie" check but a handgun requires a 10-day wait. I think there should be a 10-day wait for any firearm purchase, and that the sale of fully auto firearms be prohibited to civilians. The number of class III weapons was frozen in 1986 (Reagan) so there have been no new machine guns sold to the public since then. The gandfathered ones are "property" and protected by the 5th and 6th amendments, even if you take the Bloomburg spin on the 2d. Are you really advocating a "taking"? The fact that the machine guns sold are not new is not relevant. Any decent smith can restore a used firearm in reasonable shape to "as new" condition. Yes, I believe civilian possession of automatic firearms ought be be illegal. I also can't think of a reason to allow 30 round or larger mags/clips for semi-auto assault style rifles. I suppose it is fun to pretend you're a boy soldier in Afghanistan, and carrying a rifle that looks like theirs, but most of them aren't so hot for hunting or target practice. I know this because I have hunter friends who take their "sport" seriously and I've asked them about this. In fact, I doubt most of those semi-auto assault rifles or their owners will outshoot for accuracy my .22LR target rifle, and it looks like an ordinary rifle. Its mags only hold 5 or 10 rounds. I've got one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayGk8KaN58 I wasn't aware that our Right to own and bear arms had to meet with your or anybody else's deciding what I could have. I've got a bunch of magazines for 20 rounds and more. I might need them if you and yours decide to assault us and take them. Shoot your rim fire .22 at 500 yards for 20% of your score and tell us if you even hit the target. Make sure you use iron sights. I use to be pretty good but not that good. As a kid I shot pennies at 50 60 yards with a single shot Springfield with about 26 in barrel. The extraa barrel length didn't help anything. Still about 2 out 3 shots was all I could hit the pennies. Long range work is a Weatherby .30-378 with a variety of weight bullets. The little 110 grain sizzles out at about 4100 fps hand loaded. 1160 grain boattails at about 3700 fps reach right out there further than the heavy 220 grains. If in to rainbow shooting though the 220s can reach well over a mile. I want a Barett. here is no reason to hold the 600 grain or even 750 grain bullet down to 30-06 levels. Ain't about th shoot anyone. The way things are going is down right scary and really don't know what to expect from the coalition of fringes in Washington. |
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On 7/25/12 12:04 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 7/25/2012 6:07 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... On 7/21/2012 3:08 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 7/21/12 4:49 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:55:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote: In Maryland you can take home a long gun or shotgun at a gun show right after the "quickie" check but a handgun requires a 10-day wait. I think there should be a 10-day wait for any firearm purchase, and that the sale of fully auto firearms be prohibited to civilians. The number of class III weapons was frozen in 1986 (Reagan) so there have been no new machine guns sold to the public since then. The gandfathered ones are "property" and protected by the 5th and 6th amendments, even if you take the Bloomburg spin on the 2d. Are you really advocating a "taking"? The fact that the machine guns sold are not new is not relevant. Any decent smith can restore a used firearm in reasonable shape to "as new" condition. Yes, I believe civilian possession of automatic firearms ought be be illegal. I also can't think of a reason to allow 30 round or larger mags/clips for semi-auto assault style rifles. I suppose it is fun to pretend you're a boy soldier in Afghanistan, and carrying a rifle that looks like theirs, but most of them aren't so hot for hunting or target practice. I know this because I have hunter friends who take their "sport" seriously and I've asked them about this. In fact, I doubt most of those semi-auto assault rifles or their owners will outshoot for accuracy my .22LR target rifle, and it looks like an ordinary rifle. Its mags only hold 5 or 10 rounds. I've got one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayGk8KaN58 I wasn't aware that our Right to own and bear arms had to meet with your or anybody else's deciding what I could have. I've got a bunch of magazines for 20 rounds and more. I might need them if you and yours decide to assault us and take them. Shoot your rim fire .22 at 500 yards for 20% of your score and tell us if you even hit the target. Make sure you use iron sights. I use to be pretty good but not that good. As a kid I shot pennies at 50 60 yards with a single shot Springfield with about 26 in barrel. The extraa barrel length didn't help anything. Still about 2 out 3 shots was all I could hit the pennies. Long range work is a Weatherby .30-378 with a variety of weight bullets. The little 110 grain sizzles out at about 4100 fps hand loaded. 1160 grain boattails at about 3700 fps reach right out there further than the heavy 220 grains. If in to rainbow shooting though the 220s can reach well over a mile. I want a Barett. here is no reason to hold the 600 grain or even 750 grain bullet down to 30-06 levels. Ain't about th shoot anyone. The way things are going is down right scary and really don't know what to expect from the coalition of fringes in Washington. I have no expectation of holding off sworn/uniformed mounties with any of my firearms. If they show up at my door and say "Come out with your hands up," that is exactly what I will do. I have the wherewithal to post a substantial bond and to pay my lawyers. You have to be an imbecile to think you are going to hold off a police or quasi military force. Wait, I just answered the question of "what do you have to be to use your firearms to hold off a police or military force?" Answer: an imbecile. I'd prefer a day in court to a day in the funeral parlor but, hey, to each his own. Nowadays, I just shoot firearms for kicks at the range and at various homemade targets. Through that sort of use and a half dozen training courses, I feel competent to take down any criminal element home invaders who bust into the house. |
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