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On 7/18/12 8:30 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 7/18/12 1:57 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/17/12 8:53 PM, Tim wrote: On Jul 17, 6:35 pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 7/17/12 7:08 PM, Tim wrote: On Jul 17, 10:48 am, thumper wrote: On 7/17/2012 5:45 AM, Tim wrote: And what marvels me is those who feel that if science can't prove it, then there is (nor can not be ) any other explanation. Undoubtedly there are *many* things that science will never "prove". That doesn't make supernatural explanations valid. You're right. but "supernatural explanations" shouldn't be discounted because of such. Goodness...and I thought you were at least near rational. I am. Why should I not be? I'm not discounting science, but I'm also not discounting anything supernatural or divine. No Harry, I'm not a close minded person as you seem to like to paint Christians to be. in fact, I'd think I'd ;like to be considered open-minded. Not choosing only one side. That to me is irrational. There isn't even the slightest bit of serious evidence to support "the supernatural" or "the divine." Nothing, nada, zilch, zip. -------------------------------------------------------- There is, Harry and it's very serious. There are millions and millions of people who support and demonstrate it everyday. It can be summed up in a single word. Faith. Not all have it. You obviously don't. I don't. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. "Faith" isn't serious evidence. ------------------------------------------------ If "Faith" isn't serious evidence of something, what are you complaining about? For those who have embraced it, it is the most significant cause of millions upon millions of other people's lifestyles, views on controversial issues and even why we are all here in the first place. "Faith" has an enormous affect on how people think and act world wide . If that isn't serious evidence of something, I don't know what is. For those of us that lack it, we may not understand it. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I tend not to ridicule or attempt to destroy in others something that I don't have or understand. You tend to demonstrate otherwise. I have no interest in "destroying," as it were, the faith others have in religious beliefs. I'm not standing in a pulpit anywhere telling people not to believe, nor am I trying to get legislation passed outlawing religious belief. My issue with religion is mainly with the efforts believers make (especially fundamentalists) to shove their beliefs down the throats of those who believe differently or not at all. If the "religious" simply kept their attempts to control within their flock, I'd pretty much ignore them. But they don't...they're poisoning everyone's well with overt hatred of those they don't like or perfectly legal activities of which they don't approve. Frankly, I would support efforts to remove the tax exemptions from any religious organizations or surrogate organizations that are actively engaged in political activities that go beyond lobbying for help for the hungry, the homeless, the poor, the sick, et cetera. |