Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On Wed, 23 May 2012 00:09:10 -0400, wrote:

Even the 20 pound bottle ends up being pretty expensive and I doubt
the CG wants to see one inside your trawler. The tank would have to be
kept on a well ventilated place on deck. Rust becomes a problem.

===

I don't know about this area but in some parts of the country you can
take your 20 pound bottle to a distributor and get it refilled for
much less than the "tank exchange" prices. Many places you can also
get propane delivered to your house in tanks about 5 feet high and
maybe a foot or so in diameter. I'm guessing that they probably hold
60 to 100 pounds. You could probably run directly from those tanks
on a boat of your size or use them to refill smaller bottles.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Thanks to both you and Greg. You reminded me to get my BBQ tank replaced. It's empty.

I'll be giving Propane Taxi a call.

Thank you, gentlemen!

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On 5/23/12 6:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Thanks to both you and Greg. You reminded me to get my BBQ tank replaced. It's empty.

I'll be giving Propane Taxi a call.

Thank you, gentlemen!


Boating much, John? How about a golf, motorbike, grandkid update?

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On May 23, 7:34*am, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Thanks to both you and Greg. You reminded me to get my BBQ tank replaced. It's empty.

I'll be giving Propane Taxi a call.

Thank you, gentlemen!

Thought you were a COSTCO fan. You could load up on the cheap hotdogs
while getting the propane tank filled.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 May 2012 00:09:10 -0400, wrote:

Even the 20 pound bottle ends up being pretty expensive and I doubt
the CG wants to see one inside your trawler. The tank would have to be
kept on a well ventilated place on deck. Rust becomes a problem.

===

I don't know about this area but in some parts of the country you can
take your 20 pound bottle to a distributor and get it refilled for
much less than the "tank exchange" prices. Many places you can also
get propane delivered to your house in tanks about 5 feet high and
maybe a foot or so in diameter. I'm guessing that they probably hold
60 to 100 pounds. You could probably run directly from those tanks
on a boat of your size or use them to refill smaller bottles.

Same here.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

For what it's worth, propane has an octane rating of 100. Plus you get
a uniform, good as fuel injection, mixture to each cylinder.

Casady

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On Wed, 23 May 2012 04:15:44 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:

On May 23, 7:34*am, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Thanks to both you and Greg. You reminded me to get my BBQ tank replaced. It's empty.

I'll be giving Propane Taxi a call.

Thank you, gentlemen!

Thought you were a COSTCO fan. You could load up on the cheap hotdogs
while getting the propane tank filled.

I absolutely love Costco hot dogs. I like three at a time, with a slice of combo pizza of course. I
give the extra paper drink cups to someone in the line behind me. That tends to **** off the folks
taking money, but I don't like being charged for three drinks just 'cause I want three hot dogs.

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says...

On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:27:39 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:

On May 24, 1:13*pm, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2012 04:15:44 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:
On May 23, 7:34*am, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Thanks to both you and Greg. You reminded me to get my BBQ tank replaced. It's empty.

I'll be giving Propane Taxi a call.

Thank you, gentlemen!

Thought you were a COSTCO fan. *You could load up on the cheap hotdogs
while getting the propane tank filled.

I absolutely love Costco hot dogs. I like three at a time, with a slice of combo pizza of course. I
give the extra paper drink cups to someone in the line behind me. That tends to **** off the folks
taking money, but I don't like being charged for three drinks just 'cause I want three hot dogs.

Yiikes!
Thought I was bad ordering one dog and an order of fries with gravy.
Even that affects my appetite for supper 5 or 6 hours later.

Fries with gravy sounds good...but too much fat...especially when eaten with three hot dogs. And, I
eat only once a day, normally, so three hot dogs is breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The pizza is
dessert.

Used to be a diner here that served up real cut on premises fries with
whatever gravy you wanted. 24 hours a day! My favorite meal there was
there fantastic cheeseburger with fries and turkey gravy! They also had
killer oyster stew, so sometimes it was oyster stew and cheeseburger!

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On 5/24/12 3:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 14:03:28 -0400, John
wrote:


They seem to use Kahns here, the quarter pound ones. Costco dogs are
bigger than that I think. They come on a hogie roll. One is plenty for
me.
Maybe the Nathans is a northern thing. Both Sams and Costco sell them
but not at the snack bar.

Costco, until recently, sold the Hebrew National 1/4lb'er. Now their selling the Kirkland brand,
same size. I can't tell the difference between the two. Both are great, and, I think, have a better
flavor than the Nathans. But, maybe there's just more salt mixed with the fat. I don't tell my
doctor that I eat 'em. And, I do it only once every couple months.

I haven't looked at the package but Kirkland has been listing the
manufacturer on a lot of their products. It may still be Hebrew
National.

I think virtually all hot dogs have way too much salt but that may
just be me. I usually get the low sodium, low fat Mavericks if I want
a hot dog for me. The kids still like the regular ones. I have a
roller so hot dogs can be too easy. I have to watch myself.



Hebrew National has some lower fat dogs. I've never looked at what
they've done about the salt. The lower fat dogs are pretty good.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On Thu, 24 May 2012 17:16:45 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 16:45:36 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 5/24/12 3:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 14:03:28 -0400, John
wrote:


They seem to use Kahns here, the quarter pound ones. Costco dogs are
bigger than that I think. They come on a hogie roll. One is plenty for
me.
Maybe the Nathans is a northern thing. Both Sams and Costco sell them
but not at the snack bar.

Costco, until recently, sold the Hebrew National 1/4lb'er. Now their selling the Kirkland brand,
same size. I can't tell the difference between the two. Both are great, and, I think, have a better
flavor than the Nathans. But, maybe there's just more salt mixed with the fat. I don't tell my
doctor that I eat 'em. And, I do it only once every couple months.

I haven't looked at the package but Kirkland has been listing the
manufacturer on a lot of their products. It may still be Hebrew
National.

I think virtually all hot dogs have way too much salt but that may
just be me. I usually get the low sodium, low fat Mavericks if I want
a hot dog for me. The kids still like the regular ones. I have a
roller so hot dogs can be too easy. I have to watch myself.



Hebrew National has some lower fat dogs. I've never looked at what
they've done about the salt. The lower fat dogs are pretty good.

Those are usually what I buy for the kids (all beef low fat) but they
are still pretty salty. The mavericks are better for you but they cost
almost as much as sirloin steak.

Have you ever tried turkey dogs? I believe they have about half the sodium of a hot dog. Don't know
what they taste like though.

We've been using ground turkey instead of ground beef with the Hard Times Chile mix. Can hardly tell
the difference.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On May 22, 10:32*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

That looks like a weed eater engine to me....

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On Thu, 24 May 2012 20:01:29 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

I think you are supposed to worry about storing propane anywhere that
it could pool in the bilge.
I would store them on deck, in a well ventilated area.

I didn't think you could even go through a tunnel with a propane tank,
on or off. They must have loosened up on that.

Maybe enough RV'ers have complained about it. As to your assertion that propane would pool in the
bilge, you are correct - if it leaked. But gas would do the same thing, no?

Anyway, to check your assertion I went here. Very informative. Some funny responses!

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...8161408AAIFFKl

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In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 May 2012 14:03:28 -0400, John H.
wrote:


They seem to use Kahns here, the quarter pound ones. Costco dogs are
bigger than that I think. They come on a hogie roll. One is plenty for
me.
Maybe the Nathans is a northern thing. Both Sams and Costco sell them
but not at the snack bar.

Costco, until recently, sold the Hebrew National 1/4lb'er. Now their selling the Kirkland brand,
same size. I can't tell the difference between the two. Both are great, and, I think, have a better
flavor than the Nathans. But, maybe there's just more salt mixed with the fat. I don't tell my
doctor that I eat 'em. And, I do it only once every couple months.

I haven't looked at the package but Kirkland has been listing the
manufacturer on a lot of their products. It may still be Hebrew
National.

I think virtually all hot dogs have way too much salt but that may
just be me. I usually get the low sodium, low fat Mavericks if I want
a hot dog for me. The kids still like the regular ones. I have a
roller so hot dogs can be too easy. I have to watch myself.

I have a hard time getting commercial hot dogs that don't taste real
salty to me. I like mine grilled to a char, though!!

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

The same place they now store gasoline.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On 5/25/2012 8:03 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

The same place they now store gasoline.

In a gas tank? Somehow I think that's a bad idea. Why don't you google
up the correct answer.

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On Fri, 25 May 2012 08:15:07 -0400, Oscar wrote:

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

The same place they now store gasoline.

In a gas tank? Somehow I think that's a bad idea. Why don't you google
up the correct answer.

===

Conventional wisdom is that it should be stored on deck, away from any
openings that lead below or to an enclosed space. Many boats that
use propane for cooking have a sealed locker that is ventilated
overboard. I have seen others with the propane cylinder installed on
a stern bracket.

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On 5/25/2012 9:09 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012 08:15:07 -0400, wrote:

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

The same place they now store gasoline.

In a gas tank? Somehow I think that's a bad idea. Why don't you google
up the correct answer.

===

Conventional wisdom is that it should be stored on deck, away from any
openings that lead below or to an enclosed space. Many boats that
use propane for cooking have a sealed locker that is ventilated
overboard. I have seen others with the propane cylinder installed on
a stern bracket.


Your answer makes a lot of sense. Being heavier than air, propane will
drift along a surface and fall into any hole it finds.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:41 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

I guess another point to be made is that smaller boats may not have
any room to install an LP locker. (At least, I can't figure out
where.) I'd really like to join the LP/LNG rush, but I don't think I
have room on any of my boats to accommodate the locker.

I'll throw a question back at you, since you are a diesel owner. Do
you expect the price of diesel to drop dramatically as 18-wheelers
convert to LNG? We may soon be addressing the return of diesel
outboards and alternative highway fuels for those boat and RV haulers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...910235090.html

I hadn't seen that article. Since refineries can adjust output of different products, I wouldn't
expect the price of diesel to fluctuate any more than the price of gasoline. If the LNG rush catches
on big time, I'd expect the demand for both diesel and gasoline to go down, along with the prices. I
liked this line:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

I wonder....if diesel outboards become popular, will Karen from down-under come back to the group?

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On May 26, 7:04*am, John H. wrote:

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

Way too expensive. Not only in modification, but also in fuel
economy. And where are you going to find LP out on the road?

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On 5/26/2012 8:20 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:41 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

I guess another point to be made is that smaller boats may not have
any room to install an LP locker. (At least, I can't figure out
where.) I'd really like to join the LP/LNG rush, but I don't think I
have room on any of my boats to accommodate the locker.

I'll throw a question back at you, since you are a diesel owner. Do
you expect the price of diesel to drop dramatically as 18-wheelers
convert to LNG? We may soon be addressing the return of diesel
outboards and alternative highway fuels for those boat and RV haulers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...910235090.html

I hadn't seen that article. Since refineries can adjust output of different products, I wouldn't
expect the price of diesel to fluctuate any more than the price of gasoline. If the LNG rush catches
on big time, I'd expect the demand for both diesel and gasoline to go down, along with the prices. I
liked this line:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

I wonder....if diesel outboards become popular, will Karen from down-under come back to the group?

I hope not with that butt ugly diesel in a box contraption
she/he/whatever showed us.

Hey harry, can you limit the posts to two or three sock puppets? Thanks...

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

So isn't gasoline.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On 5/26/2012 8:52 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:34:10 -0400,
wrote:

On 5/26/2012 8:20 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:41 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

I guess another point to be made is that smaller boats may not have
any room to install an LP locker. (At least, I can't figure out
where.) I'd really like to join the LP/LNG rush, but I don't think I
have room on any of my boats to accommodate the locker.

I'll throw a question back at you, since you are a diesel owner. Do
you expect the price of diesel to drop dramatically as 18-wheelers
convert to LNG? We may soon be addressing the return of diesel
outboards and alternative highway fuels for those boat and RV haulers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...910235090.html

I hadn't seen that article. Since refineries can adjust output of different products, I wouldn't
expect the price of diesel to fluctuate any more than the price of gasoline. If the LNG rush catches
on big time, I'd expect the demand for both diesel and gasoline to go down, along with the prices. I
liked this line:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

I wonder....if diesel outboards become popular, will Karen from down-under come back to the group?

I hope not with that butt ugly diesel in a box contraption
she/he/whatever showed us.

Hey harry, can you limit the posts to two or three sock puppets? Thanks...

I don't mind: I can be your Harry if you aren't getting enough
attention.

Oh gee, you are just too clever for me harry...

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:58:55 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 5/26/2012 8:52 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:34:10 -0400,
wrote:

On 5/26/2012 8:20 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:41 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

I guess another point to be made is that smaller boats may not have
any room to install an LP locker. (At least, I can't figure out
where.) I'd really like to join the LP/LNG rush, but I don't think I
have room on any of my boats to accommodate the locker.

I'll throw a question back at you, since you are a diesel owner. Do
you expect the price of diesel to drop dramatically as 18-wheelers
convert to LNG? We may soon be addressing the return of diesel
outboards and alternative highway fuels for those boat and RV haulers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...910235090.html

I hadn't seen that article. Since refineries can adjust output of different products, I wouldn't
expect the price of diesel to fluctuate any more than the price of gasoline. If the LNG rush catches
on big time, I'd expect the demand for both diesel and gasoline to go down, along with the prices. I
liked this line:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

I wonder....if diesel outboards become popular, will Karen from down-under come back to the group?

I hope not with that butt ugly diesel in a box contraption
she/he/whatever showed us.

Hey harry, can you limit the posts to two or three sock puppets? Thanks...

I don't mind: I can be your Harry if you aren't getting enough
attention.

Oh gee, you are just too clever for me harry...

If you WERE clever, you would realize that you are outsmarting
yourself.

You've seen it before, he, Don and John just think someone is somebody
else in there head, and then in there head it becomes reality.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:35:57 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

So isn't gasoline.

Do we store gasoline tanks on the deck in lockers vented overboard?

In a way, yes. Gasoline is stored in a gasoline tank (locker) and is
vented.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On 5/26/12 9:02 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:58:55 -0400,
wrote:

On 5/26/2012 8:52 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:34:10 -0400,
wrote:

On 5/26/2012 8:20 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:41 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

I guess another point to be made is that smaller boats may not have
any room to install an LP locker. (At least, I can't figure out
where.) I'd really like to join the LP/LNG rush, but I don't think I
have room on any of my boats to accommodate the locker.

I'll throw a question back at you, since you are a diesel owner. Do
you expect the price of diesel to drop dramatically as 18-wheelers
convert to LNG? We may soon be addressing the return of diesel
outboards and alternative highway fuels for those boat and RV haulers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...910235090.html

I hadn't seen that article. Since refineries can adjust output of different products, I wouldn't
expect the price of diesel to fluctuate any more than the price of gasoline. If the LNG rush catches
on big time, I'd expect the demand for both diesel and gasoline to go down, along with the prices. I
liked this line:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

I wonder....if diesel outboards become popular, will Karen from down-under come back to the group?

I hope not with that butt ugly diesel in a box contraption
she/he/whatever showed us.

Hey harry, can you limit the posts to two or three sock puppets? Thanks...

I don't mind: I can be your Harry if you aren't getting enough
attention.

Oh gee, you are just too clever for me harry...

If you WERE clever, you would realize that you are outsmarting
yourself.


Please...you are dealing with someone who probably can't be trained to
wipe himself.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On 5/26/2012 9:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:58:55 -0400,
wrote:

On 5/26/2012 8:52 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:34:10 -0400,
wrote:

On 5/26/2012 8:20 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:41 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

I guess another point to be made is that smaller boats may not have
any room to install an LP locker. (At least, I can't figure out
where.) I'd really like to join the LP/LNG rush, but I don't think I
have room on any of my boats to accommodate the locker.

I'll throw a question back at you, since you are a diesel owner. Do
you expect the price of diesel to drop dramatically as 18-wheelers
convert to LNG? We may soon be addressing the return of diesel
outboards and alternative highway fuels for those boat and RV haulers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...910235090.html

I hadn't seen that article. Since refineries can adjust output of different products, I wouldn't
expect the price of diesel to fluctuate any more than the price of gasoline. If the LNG rush catches
on big time, I'd expect the demand for both diesel and gasoline to go down, along with the prices. I
liked this line:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

I wonder....if diesel outboards become popular, will Karen from down-under come back to the group?

I hope not with that butt ugly diesel in a box contraption
she/he/whatever showed us.

Hey harry, can you limit the posts to two or three sock puppets? Thanks...

I don't mind: I can be your Harry if you aren't getting enough
attention.

Oh gee, you are just too clever for me harry...

If you WERE clever, you would realize that you are outsmarting
yourself.

You've seen it before, he, Don and John just think someone is somebody
else in there head, and then in there head it becomes reality.

LOl... you still playin' that. You don't remember coming here and
telling us you were going flying? (wink)... It is what it is...

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On 5/26/2012 8:35 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

So isn't gasoline.

Gasoline storage isn't a problem?

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 May 2012 05:25:53 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On May 26, 7:04*am, John H. wrote:

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

Way too expensive. Not only in modification, but also in fuel
economy. And where are you going to find LP out on the road?

Probably too expensive, by far, but some of the big guys are going
dual fuel (diesel/LNG) to address that concern until the
infrastructure catches up.

The time to refuel a Diesel or LNG vehicle on the side of the road is a
lot shorter than trying to "refuel" a battery powered truck.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 May 2012 09:09:13 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:35:57 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

So isn't gasoline.

Do we store gasoline tanks on the deck in lockers vented overboard?

In a way, yes. Gasoline is stored in a gasoline tank (locker) and is
vented.

Oh, good grief. Whatever.

I guess he has never heard of a leak in a gasoline tank.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

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says...

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 May 2012 09:09:13 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:35:57 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

So isn't gasoline.

Do we store gasoline tanks on the deck in lockers vented overboard?

In a way, yes. Gasoline is stored in a gasoline tank (locker) and is
vented.

Oh, good grief. Whatever.

I guess he has never heard of a leak in a gasoline tank.

Sure I have, and that's my point! Storing gasoline is just as dangerous
as storing propane. I guess you've never heard of a boat blowing up
because of gasoline fumes in the bilge?

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

In article , says...

On 5/26/2012 9:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:58:55 -0400,
wrote:

On 5/26/2012 8:52 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:34:10 -0400,
wrote:

On 5/26/2012 8:20 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:41 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

I guess another point to be made is that smaller boats may not have
any room to install an LP locker. (At least, I can't figure out
where.) I'd really like to join the LP/LNG rush, but I don't think I
have room on any of my boats to accommodate the locker.

I'll throw a question back at you, since you are a diesel owner. Do
you expect the price of diesel to drop dramatically as 18-wheelers
convert to LNG? We may soon be addressing the return of diesel
outboards and alternative highway fuels for those boat and RV haulers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...910235090.html

I hadn't seen that article. Since refineries can adjust output of different products, I wouldn't
expect the price of diesel to fluctuate any more than the price of gasoline. If the LNG rush catches
on big time, I'd expect the demand for both diesel and gasoline to go down, along with the prices. I
liked this line:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

I wonder....if diesel outboards become popular, will Karen from down-under come back to the group?

I hope not with that butt ugly diesel in a box contraption
she/he/whatever showed us.

Hey harry, can you limit the posts to two or three sock puppets? Thanks...

I don't mind: I can be your Harry if you aren't getting enough
attention.

Oh gee, you are just too clever for me harry...

If you WERE clever, you would realize that you are outsmarting
yourself.

You've seen it before, he, Don and John just think someone is somebody
else in there head, and then in there head it becomes reality.

LOl... you still playin' that. You don't remember coming here and
telling us you were going flying? (wink)... It is what it is...

No, I don't. Please show me.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:52:41 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:34:10 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 5/26/2012 8:20 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:41 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

I guess another point to be made is that smaller boats may not have
any room to install an LP locker. (At least, I can't figure out
where.) I'd really like to join the LP/LNG rush, but I don't think I
have room on any of my boats to accommodate the locker.

I'll throw a question back at you, since you are a diesel owner. Do
you expect the price of diesel to drop dramatically as 18-wheelers
convert to LNG? We may soon be addressing the return of diesel
outboards and alternative highway fuels for those boat and RV haulers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...910235090.html

I hadn't seen that article. Since refineries can adjust output of different products, I wouldn't
expect the price of diesel to fluctuate any more than the price of gasoline. If the LNG rush catches
on big time, I'd expect the demand for both diesel and gasoline to go down, along with the prices. I
liked this line:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

I wonder....if diesel outboards become popular, will Karen from down-under come back to the group?

I hope not with that butt ugly diesel in a box contraption
she/he/whatever showed us.

Hey harry, can you limit the posts to two or three sock puppets? Thanks...

I don't mind: I can be your Harry if you aren't getting enough
attention.

Why engage the ****?

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:34:10 -0400, JustWait wrote:

On 5/26/2012 8:20 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:41 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

I guess another point to be made is that smaller boats may not have
any room to install an LP locker. (At least, I can't figure out
where.) I'd really like to join the LP/LNG rush, but I don't think I
have room on any of my boats to accommodate the locker.

I'll throw a question back at you, since you are a diesel owner. Do
you expect the price of diesel to drop dramatically as 18-wheelers
convert to LNG? We may soon be addressing the return of diesel
outboards and alternative highway fuels for those boat and RV haulers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...910235090.html

I hadn't seen that article. Since refineries can adjust output of different products, I wouldn't
expect the price of diesel to fluctuate any more than the price of gasoline. If the LNG rush catches
on big time, I'd expect the demand for both diesel and gasoline to go down, along with the prices. I
liked this line:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

I wonder....if diesel outboards become popular, will Karen from down-under come back to the group?

I hope not with that butt ugly diesel in a box contraption
she/he/whatever showed us.

Hey harry, can you limit the posts to two or three sock puppets? Thanks...

Why the ****? This was a pretty decent thread.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John H.
wrote:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

===

It's important to remember that one reason for the high price of
diesel is high road taxes, imposed largely because of trucks. If
large numbers of trucks end up converting to LNG it is only a matter
of time before taxation catches up.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On Sat, 26 May 2012 10:23:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Storing gasoline is just as dangerous
as storing propane. I guess you've never heard of a boat blowing up
because of gasoline fumes in the bilge?

===

It happens all the time unfortunately but propane is still more
dangerous than gasoline for a couple of reasons:

1. It is invisible so leaks are not obvious.

2. The fittings on propane tanks get frequently uncoupled and
recoupled as tanks are swapped out. This is not true for permanently
installed gasoline tanks. Portable gasoline tanks should always be on
deck in open air.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On Sat, 26 May 2012 12:41:39 -0400, wrote:

Usually a gasoline leak is more quickly noticed but when it happens a
fire/explosion is very likely if it is not immediately and properly
addressed.

===

The same is true for propane leaks but there is no fire, only
explosions. You have half a chance to get off a burning boat alive,
almost no chance with a propane explosion.

Propane Outboard Motor Anyone?
 

On Sat, 26 May 2012 12:19:35 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John H.
wrote:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

===

It's important to remember that one reason for the high price of
diesel is high road taxes, imposed largely because of trucks. If
large numbers of trucks end up converting to LNG it is only a matter
of time before taxation catches up.

Especially given ... oh, never mind.

Yup, you're most likely right.