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A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
http://www.stardem.com/business/arti...939e2d2e6.html
Looks l really simple too. I wonder how it will handle rough wear 'n tear? |
A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:59:28 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
http://www.stardem.com/business/arti...939e2d2e6.html Looks l really simple too. I wonder how it will handle rough wear 'n tear? Looks like a pretty good idea! |
A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
On Jan 16, 10:42*am, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:59:28 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: http://www.stardem.com/business/arti...e36-aa8f-9d293... Looks l really simple too. I wonder how it will handle rough wear 'n tear? Looks like a pretty good idea! If it stands up to the rigors of a life in the sal****er of the oceans..... it might work out. |
A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:45:01 -0800 (PST), North Star
wrote: On Jan 16, 10:42*am, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:59:28 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: http://www.stardem.com/business/arti...e36-aa8f-9d293... Looks l really simple too. I wonder how it will handle rough wear 'n tear? Looks like a pretty good idea! If it stands up to the rigors of a life in the sal****er of the oceans..... it might work out. === Yes, and that's a very big "if". Moorings are exposed to the elements 24/7 and subject to very high shock loads during storms. We've been seeing more of a better system in recent years where the mooring buoy has a bowl shaped appendage on the top where you can coil the mooring lines as you drop them. That keeps the lines out of the water without introducing any complexity, moving parts or weak links. |
A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
On Jan 16, 6:19*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote: On 1/16/12 5:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:42:11 -0800 (PST), North Star *wrote: I have never used a mooring buoy but I assumed they just had an eye on top and you brought over your own line. Why is there a line there at all? In a rough sea, a mooring line is alot easier to pick up with your boat hook......especially if your boat has a generous freeboard. === Yes, exactly right. When the wind is blowing hard and/or there is a lot of current, picking up a mooring without a line is very difficult. When I was a kid and we were at the beach for the summer, we kept our boats on buoys and mushroom anchors about 200 feet beyond the low tide sandbars. I usually had so much wax on the mahogany deck of my little runabout that when I crawled out on it to hook it up to the buoy and pull over the canvas cover, the cover and I would slide off into Long Island Sound. Usually the water wasn't rough enough to make attaching a line to the buoy difficult. Small boats, relatively sheltered waters. The buoys usually were stainless steel beer barrels. My dad would cut a hole in each end and thread through a rod and weld the rod to the barrel and then weld a donut shaped fitting to each end of the rod. We'd paint the barrels with copper bottom paint.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This type seems popular at the yacht clubs around here. I believe they use a galvanized shackle to attach the heavy chain and the mooring line. http://ca.binnacle.com/Docking-and-M...duct_info.html |
A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:04:35 -0500, JustWait
wrote: How would you expect somebody 8 feet off the water to hook to the top of a bouy? === My wife is always asking questions like that as we make yet another approach... :-) Here's a mooring buoy that has a recess on top: http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=55999&nobot_crawl |
A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
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A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:04:35 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 1/16/2012 3:53 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:42:39 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:45:01 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote: On Jan 16, 10:42 am, Happy wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:59:28 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.stardem.com/business/arti...e36-aa8f-9d293... Looks l really simple too. I wonder how it will handle rough wear 'n tear? Looks like a pretty good idea! If it stands up to the rigors of a life in the sal****er of the oceans..... it might work out. === Yes, and that's a very big "if". Moorings are exposed to the elements 24/7 and subject to very high shock loads during storms. We've been seeing more of a better system in recent years where the mooring buoy has a bowl shaped appendage on the top where you can coil the mooring lines as you drop them. That keeps the lines out of the water without introducing any complexity, moving parts or weak links. I have never used a mooring buoy but I assumed they just had an eye on top and you brought over your own line. Why is there a line there at all? So you can use a stick to pick it up out of the water and bring it up to your bow. Not everybodys bow is a foot and a half above the water like yours;) How would you expect somebody 8 feet off the water to hook to the top of a bouy? Nine-foot pole? |
A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
On 1/17/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:04:35 -0500, wrote: On 1/16/2012 3:53 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:42:39 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:45:01 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote: On Jan 16, 10:42 am, Happy wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:59:28 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.stardem.com/business/arti...e36-aa8f-9d293... Looks l really simple too. I wonder how it will handle rough wear 'n tear? Looks like a pretty good idea! If it stands up to the rigors of a life in the sal****er of the oceans..... it might work out. === Yes, and that's a very big "if". Moorings are exposed to the elements 24/7 and subject to very high shock loads during storms. We've been seeing more of a better system in recent years where the mooring buoy has a bowl shaped appendage on the top where you can coil the mooring lines as you drop them. That keeps the lines out of the water without introducing any complexity, moving parts or weak links. I have never used a mooring buoy but I assumed they just had an eye on top and you brought over your own line. Why is there a line there at all? So you can use a stick to pick it up out of the water and bring it up to your bow. Not everybodys bow is a foot and a half above the water like yours;) How would you expect somebody 8 feet off the water to hook to the top of a bouy? Nine-foot pole? Yes, but I would rather reach for a rope with the pole, than a hook on a bouy. |
A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
On 1/17/2012 8:42 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articlePsKdncH_D7TAP4nSnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 1/16/12 5:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:42:11 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote: I have never used a mooring buoy but I assumed they just had an eye on top and you brought over your own line. Why is there a line there at all? In a rough sea, a mooring line is alot easier to pick up with your boat hook......especially if your boat has a generous freeboard. === Yes, exactly right. When the wind is blowing hard and/or there is a lot of current, picking up a mooring without a line is very difficult. When I was a kid and we were at the beach for the summer, we kept our boats on buoys and mushroom anchors about 200 feet beyond the low tide sandbars. I usually had so much wax on the mahogany deck of my little runabout that when I crawled out on it to hook it up to the buoy and pull over the canvas cover, the cover and I would slide off into Long Island Sound. Usually the water wasn't rough enough to make attaching a line to the buoy difficult. Small boats, relatively sheltered waters. The buoys usually were stainless steel beer barrels. My dad would cut a hole in each end and thread through a rod and weld the rod to the barrel and then weld a donut shaped fitting to each end of the rod. We'd paint the barrels with copper bottom paint. He welded carbon steel rod to a stainless steel beer barrel? Back in those days, I take it it was either arc welded or acetylene right? Are you hinting that there is something rotten about that story? |
A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
On 1/16/2012 9:42 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jan 16, 6:19 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 1/16/12 5:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:42:11 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote: I have never used a mooring buoy but I assumed they just had an eye on top and you brought over your own line. Why is there a line there at all? In a rough sea, a mooring line is alot easier to pick up with your boat hook......especially if your boat has a generous freeboard. === Yes, exactly right. When the wind is blowing hard and/or there is a lot of current, picking up a mooring without a line is very difficult. When I was a kid and we were at the beach for the summer, we kept our boats on buoys and mushroom anchors about 200 feet beyond the low tide sandbars. I usually had so much wax on the mahogany deck of my little runabout that when I crawled out on it to hook it up to the buoy and pull over the canvas cover, the cover and I would slide off into Long Island Sound. Usually the water wasn't rough enough to make attaching a line to the buoy difficult. Small boats, relatively sheltered waters. The buoys usually were stainless steel beer barrels. My dad would cut a hole in each end and thread through a rod and weld the rod to the barrel and then weld a donut shaped fitting to each end of the rod. We'd paint the barrels with copper bottom paint.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This type seems popular at the yacht clubs around here. I believe they use a galvanized shackle to attach the heavy chain and the mooring line. http://ca.binnacle.com/Docking-and-M...duct_info.html They are most typically used for fishing and as fenders to separate rafted boats. I suppose a real cheapskate might try to get away with using it as a mooring float. Burst it and it's "diver down". |
A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:11:41 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 1/17/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:04:35 -0500, wrote: On 1/16/2012 3:53 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:42:39 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:45:01 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote: On Jan 16, 10:42 am, Happy wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:59:28 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.stardem.com/business/arti...e36-aa8f-9d293... Looks l really simple too. I wonder how it will handle rough wear 'n tear? Looks like a pretty good idea! If it stands up to the rigors of a life in the sal****er of the oceans..... it might work out. === Yes, and that's a very big "if". Moorings are exposed to the elements 24/7 and subject to very high shock loads during storms. We've been seeing more of a better system in recent years where the mooring buoy has a bowl shaped appendage on the top where you can coil the mooring lines as you drop them. That keeps the lines out of the water without introducing any complexity, moving parts or weak links. I have never used a mooring buoy but I assumed they just had an eye on top and you brought over your own line. Why is there a line there at all? So you can use a stick to pick it up out of the water and bring it up to your bow. Not everybodys bow is a foot and a half above the water like yours;) How would you expect somebody 8 feet off the water to hook to the top of a bouy? Nine-foot pole? Yes, but I would rather reach for a rope with the pole, than a hook on a bouy. Well, you couldn't have a bunch of lines floating around all the buoys, or there'd be a lot of lines fouled in props. The link is to the map of Annapolis. If you zoom in directly south of the traffic circle at the Naval Academy, you can actually pick out the lines of buoys, some with boats attached. As they all float around with the tides and winds, the lines would just add another element of danger to the mess. http://tinyurl.com/7wkykgk |
A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
On 1/17/2012 10:44 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:11:41 -0500, wrote: On 1/17/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:04:35 -0500, wrote: On 1/16/2012 3:53 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:42:39 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:45:01 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote: On Jan 16, 10:42 am, Happy wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:59:28 -0800 (PST), wrote: http://www.stardem.com/business/arti...e36-aa8f-9d293... Looks l really simple too. I wonder how it will handle rough wear 'n tear? Looks like a pretty good idea! If it stands up to the rigors of a life in the sal****er of the oceans..... it might work out. === Yes, and that's a very big "if". Moorings are exposed to the elements 24/7 and subject to very high shock loads during storms. We've been seeing more of a better system in recent years where the mooring buoy has a bowl shaped appendage on the top where you can coil the mooring lines as you drop them. That keeps the lines out of the water without introducing any complexity, moving parts or weak links. I have never used a mooring buoy but I assumed they just had an eye on top and you brought over your own line. Why is there a line there at all? So you can use a stick to pick it up out of the water and bring it up to your bow. Not everybodys bow is a foot and a half above the water like yours;) How would you expect somebody 8 feet off the water to hook to the top of a bouy? Nine-foot pole? Yes, but I would rather reach for a rope with the pole, than a hook on a bouy. Well, you couldn't have a bunch of lines floating around all the buoys, or there'd be a lot of lines fouled in props. The link is to the map of Annapolis. If you zoom in directly south of the traffic circle at the Naval Academy, you can actually pick out the lines of buoys, some with boats attached. As they all float around with the tides and winds, the lines would just add another element of danger to the mess. http://tinyurl.com/7wkykgk Looks like there are ten foot lines hanging from Bouys? Maybe I got this wrong but what do they do? Hang off the front of the bow or reach down and pick up the bouy then hook to it? |
A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:44:03 -0500, Happy John
wrote: Yes, but I would rather reach for a rope with the pole, than a hook on a bouy. Well, you couldn't have a bunch of lines floating around all the buoys, or there'd be a lot of lines fouled in props. The link is to the map of Annapolis. If you zoom in directly south of the traffic circle at the Naval Academy, you can actually pick out the lines of buoys, some with boats attached. As they all float around with the tides and winds, the lines would just add another element of danger to the mess. http://tinyurl.com/7wkykgk === In actual practice it is not really an issue. In over 40 years of boating in and around mooring fields, only once have I snagged a mooring line - my own as I was trying to pick it up from the stern, single handing on a windy day. No damage as it turned out and my diver had me loose in an hour or so. |
A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:54:09 -0500, JustWait
wrote: Well, you couldn't have a bunch of lines floating around all the buoys, or there'd be a lot of lines fouled in props. The link is to the map of Annapolis. If you zoom in directly south of the traffic circle at the Naval Academy, you can actually pick out the lines of buoys, some with boats attached. As they all float around with the tides and winds, the lines would just add another element of danger to the mess. http://tinyurl.com/7wkykgk Looks like there are ten foot lines hanging from Bouys? Maybe I got this wrong but what do they do? Hang off the front of the bow or reach down and pick up the bouy then hook to it? === A typical mooring will have one or two lines permanently shackled to the upper eye of the mooring ball. The "pick up" strategy usually involves snagging the lines with a boat hook from the bow of the boat. |
A new buoy system. This ought to be interesting.
On Jan 17, 11:44*am, Happy John wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:11:41 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 1/17/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:04:35 -0500, *wrote: On 1/16/2012 3:53 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:42:39 -0500, Wayne.B * wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:45:01 -0800 (PST), North Star * wrote: On Jan 16, 10:42 am, Happy * wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:59:28 -0800 (PST), * wrote: http://www.stardem.com/business/arti...e36-aa8f-9d293... Looks l really simple too. I wonder how it will handle rough wear 'n tear? Looks like a pretty good idea! If it stands up to the rigors of a life in the sal****er of the oceans..... it might work out. === Yes, and that's a very big "if". * Moorings are exposed to the elements 24/7 and subject to very high shock loads during storms. We've been seeing more of a better system in recent years where the mooring buoy has a bowl shaped appendage on the top where you can coil the mooring lines as you drop them. * That keeps the lines out of the water without introducing any complexity, moving parts or weak links. I have never used a mooring buoy but I assumed they just had an eye on top and you brought over your own line. Why is there a line there at all? So you can use a stick to pick it up out of the water and bring it up to your bow. Not everybodys bow is a foot and a half above the water like yours;) How would you expect somebody 8 feet off the water to hook to the top of a bouy? Nine-foot pole? Yes, but I would rather reach for a rope with the pole, than a hook on a bouy. Well, you couldn't have a bunch of lines floating around all the buoys, or there'd be a lot of lines fouled in props. The link is to the map of Annapolis. If you zoom in directly south of the traffic circle at the Naval Academy, you can actually pick out the lines of buoys, some with boats attached. As they all float around with the tides and winds, the lines would just add another element of danger to the mess. http://tinyurl.com/7wkykgk- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Here thay use polyproplene rope for the buoy mooring line because it floats. We never had a problen entering a buoy field, in fact thats how we kept the Mirage 33 at our 'summer club', down the coast in St Margaret's Bay. To be fair, we had one person stationed on the bow giving directions to the helmsman. but when I kept my Siren 17 at the local military sailing club, I did it all on my own. My biggest problem was the ancient British Seagull 40 Plus outboard that didn't have neutral or reverse and a tiller on a small boat that didn't stay on course when you let if go. You had to be quick. |
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