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You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows
nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law, he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!! |
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You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows
nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law, he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!! Electable front man. The real governing will be done by his rw handlers, behind the scenes. My hat's off to the whole rw recall deal. Sweetly done. It should, (and probably will), be recorded in political science textbooks as a classic case. If Arnold the movie star had been Arnold the CPA instead, with the exact same business and political background, he would have pulled in only a few hundred votes from the entire state. Oh well, good for the goose is good for the gander. If the star struck public is going to vote for absolutely unqualified actors for important public office, we have a lot more of them to the left than they have to the right. Do the moderates and liberals have the same will to manipulate the public as do the extreme conservatives? Time will tell. :-) |
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He has a dregee in business!
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On 08 Oct 2003 17:27:57 GMT, (Larry Hill) wrote:
He has a dregee in business! Larry HiLL Yes, he does have a degree from University of Wisconsin-Superior, granted in 1979 in International Business and Economics. There was an interesting story about this from the LA Times News Service: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...on/6763126.htm Schwarzenegger's film career was already reaching its stride when he was recruited by U of W-S as a "cooperating faculty member." That position gave the University a reason to waive the residency requirements and complete his degree, largely by correspondence courses, according to the article. Joe Parsons |
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Well remember the reference in "Demolition Man" to the Schwarzenegger
Presidential Library? This is just the first step! "basskisser" wrote in message m... You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law, he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!! |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law, he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!! Electable front man. The real governing will be done by his rw handlers, behind the scenes. My hat's off to the whole rw recall deal. Sweetly done. It should, (and probably will), be recorded in political science textbooks as a classic case. If Arnold the movie star had been Arnold the CPA instead, with the exact same business and political background, he would have pulled in only a few hundred votes from the entire state. Oh well, good for the goose is good for the gander. If the star struck public is going to vote for absolutely unqualified actors for important public office, we have a lot more of them to the left than they have to the right. Do the moderates and liberals have the same will to manipulate the public as do the extreme conservatives? Time will tell. :-) I did not support the guy just because his political affiliation began with "R". I would like to see how many Dems voted for the guy. Too bad you had to try to spin the win with your political bias. It is unbecoming of you Chuck. California spoke. Live with it. |
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I did not support the guy just because his political affiliation began with
"R". Nor did many others. McClintock was the best Republican candidate. I would like to see how many Dems voted for the guy. A bunch. They all think Californina politics will become exciting as a Terminator movie. :-( Too bad you had to try to spin the win with your political bias. It is unbecoming of you Chuck. That is my honest opinion. They have elected a celebrity, not a proven administrator, into a situation where a proven administrator is required. Good luck, CA. Hopefully, the interests that bankrolled the $1mm required to unseat Davis know something about governing and they can instruct Arnold effectively. California spoke. Live with it. They did. Makes no diffy woo to me, except as further proof that California continues to be the Enchanted Land of Fruits and Nuts. http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveilla...0011031_eff_us a_patriot_analysis.php |
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"basskisser" wrote in message m... You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law, he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!! Arnold is NOT the kind of lockjawed Republican the neo-con-victs wanted. Obviously, he's quite liberal socially, and his positions indicate he's a fiscal moderate. In other words, he's a throwback to the moderate to liberal Republicans of the 1960s and 1970s, before that party went nutso. Remember, it was Richard Nixon who gave us wage-price controls and who opened the door to the PRC. And while he was a "conservative" for those days, by his party's standards today, he'd be considered a dirty commie pinko. I would have preferred that the Democrats kept the California statehouse, but I don't have any serious issues with Arnold as a politician. Not yet. I respect him as a self-made man of accomplishment and in his serious moments, he seems bright enough. He's certainly more capable and smarter than, say, George W. Bush. The people of California made a choice, and now it is up to Arnold to work with the Democrats and do what he can to help resolve that state's issues. I hope he is successful. |
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Rather he than Gary Coleman so says my Calif living & voting daughter & son-in-law.
Joe Parsons wrote in message . .. On 08 Oct 2003 17:27:57 GMT, (Larry Hill) wrote: He has a dregee in business! Larry HiLL Yes, he does have a degree from University of Wisconsin-Superior, granted in 1979 in International Business and Economics. There was an interesting story about this from the LA Times News Service: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...on/6763126.htm Schwarzenegger's film career was already reaching its stride when he was recruited by U of W-S as a "cooperating faculty member." That position gave the University a reason to waive the residency requirements and complete his degree, largely by correspondence courses, according to the article. Joe Parsons |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... I did not support the guy just because his political affiliation began with "R". Nor did many others. McClintock was the best Republican candidate. I agree. Too bad the voters did not see that. Hollywood blinded them. But let us not forget the fact that they wanted a change and were desperate considering the cast of players they were able to choose from. I would like to see how many Dems voted for the guy. A bunch. They all think Californina politics will become exciting as a Terminator movie. :-( Truly sad indeed. Arnold has a tough job ahead of him. He wants to cut $8 billion from the budget and reduce property taxes at the same time. Good luck in that endeavor. Too bad you had to try to spin the win with your political bias. It is unbecoming of you Chuck. That is my honest opinion. They have elected a celebrity, not a proven administrator, into a situation where a proven administrator is required. Good luck, CA. Hopefully, the interests that bankrolled the $1mm required to unseat Davis know something about governing and they can instruct Arnold effectively. Since he has been elected, I think everyone needs to give him a chance. He will likely fail, but who knows. I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising another recall election in 100 days. California spoke. Live with it. They did. Makes no diffy woo to me, except as further proof that California continues to be the Enchanted Land of Fruits and Nuts. Again we agree. The state is totally screwed up both fiscally and politically. They made their bed. Let them sleep in it. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:bm26s7$hvuku$1@ID- but I don't have any serious issues with Arnold as a politician. Not yet. I respect him as a self-made man of accomplishment and in his serious moments, he seems bright enough. OK....... So lets *say- Arnie don't slap any more asses, proves his business degree is more than paper, and actually gets California turned around while forming a bridge between the two parties. IF (big if I grant) he does all that without digging any real holes......... how do we elect him President? Ammendment? Or can congress pass a law to "give him a pass" somehow? -W |
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -" wrote:
[snip] I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising another recall election in 100 days. "Coming into play NOW?" Jeez--the whole THING was a display of partisanship--period. Joe Parsons |
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IF (big if I grant) he does all that without digging any real holes.........
how do we elect him President? Ammendment? Or can congress pass a law to "give him a pass" somehow? -W Constitutional amendment. (Or you elect his wife, who defers to Arnold in all matters.) Bad idea. The Constitution shouldn't be tweaked around for the convenience of the moment, regardless how popular a particular movie star might be. |
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"Joe Parsons" wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -" wrote: [snip] I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising another recall election in 100 days. "Coming into play NOW?" Jeez--the whole THING was a display of partisanship--period. Joe Parsons Exactly how Joe? |
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I was thinking more like Congress passing a law declaring Arnold a natural
born citizen. LOL I don't fancy the idea of screwing around with the Constitution. I don't see him as a movie star. I know his resume and it shows a man of tremenous drive and resolve. I'm not saying he can fix California, but if he can - I'd take a hard look at him as POTUS material. -W "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... IF (big if I grant) he does all that without digging any real holes......... how do we elect him President? Ammendment? Or can congress pass a law to "give him a pass" somehow? -W Constitutional amendment. (Or you elect his wife, who defers to Arnold in all matters.) Bad idea. The Constitution shouldn't be tweaked around for the convenience of the moment, regardless how popular a particular movie star might be. |
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -"
wrote: I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising another recall election in 100 days. Well at least the Democrat Feinstein has the nads to attempt to do what right for the public, rather than what's best for party politics: Feinstein, who waged a strong campaign to help her one-time foe Davis remain in office, said she was ready to help Republican governor-elect Schwarzenegger and called a rumored Democratic effort to subject him to a recall drive a "mistake." "One of the problems is hyper-partisanship," said Feinstein. "You need to break that cycle." bb |
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:28:55 GMT, "Jim -" wrote:
"Joe Parsons" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -" wrote: [snip] I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising another recall election in 100 days. "Coming into play NOW?" Jeez--the whole THING was a display of partisanship--period. Joe Parsons Exactly how Joe? Well, let's see...where to start? How about the fact that Rep. Darrell Issa (R Vista) was writing checks and gathering signatures for a recall even as Gray Davis was being sworn in for his second term as Governor. And (imagine everyone's surprise) Rep. Issa intended to run as a replacement candidate himself. Now, there's no argument that Davis was an unpopular governor--when the SF Chronicle endorsed him over his Republican Rival, Bill Simon, they said, "Hold your nose and vote for Davis." But I don't think it takes any exceptional discernment to see that the recall, initiated and funded by one politician who did not like the outcome of the just-completed, lawful election, was a back-door way to capture an office he would have no chance to win in a normal, 10 month long campaign. As it was, toward the end of this six-week campaign, Schwarzenegger's support was waning from its peak, and I don't think it takes too much of an imagination to guess that, given time and a "normal" campaign, his undeniable star power would not be sufficient to carry him into the Governor's office. I hope he does manage to keep his considerable energies to the daunting task ahead of him. I suspect he's in for some eye-openers when he has to lock horns with some of the farther right members of his party in the State Legislature. I wish him all the best. Joe Parsons |
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California spoke. Live with it. I expect to see the same stoic attitude from you when the next Democrat wins the Whitehouse. Mark Browne |
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OK....... So lets *say- Arnie don't slap any more asses, proves his business degree is more than paper, and actually gets California turned around while forming a bridge between the two parties. IF (big if I grant) he does all that without digging any real holes......... how do we elect him President? Ammendment? Or can congress pass a law to "give him a pass" somehow? It would seem that the Republicans are breaking new ground by finding convenient loopholes in the government rules. Other than Arnold's election, the gerrymandering in Texas comes to mind. If *they* wanted Arnold in - I don't think *they* would have much trouble coming up with some way to get *their* boy in. Mark Browne |
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Arnold might be a Republican, but outside of California he passes most of
the "smell test" for a Demacrat too. If he can do the job - I'll LIKE him - even if he switches parties every 6 months. -W "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:4P4hb.524266$Oz4.385975@rwcrnsc54... snip OK....... So lets *say- Arnie don't slap any more asses, proves his business degree is more than paper, and actually gets California turned around while forming a bridge between the two parties. IF (big if I grant) he does all that without digging any real holes......... how do we elect him President? Ammendment? Or can congress pass a law to "give him a pass" somehow? It would seem that the Republicans are breaking new ground by finding convenient loopholes in the government rules. Other than Arnold's election, the gerrymandering in Texas comes to mind. If *they* wanted Arnold in - I don't think *they* would have much trouble coming up with some way to get *their* boy in. Mark Browne |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... I did not support the guy just because his political affiliation began with "R". Nor did many others. McClintock was the best Republican candidate. I would like to see how many Dems voted for the guy. A bunch. They all think Californina politics will become exciting as a Terminator movie. :-( Too bad you had to try to spin the win with your political bias. It is unbecoming of you Chuck. That is my honest opinion. They have elected a celebrity, not a proven administrator, into a situation where a proven administrator is required. Good luck, CA. Hopefully, the interests that bankrolled the $1mm required to unseat Davis know something about governing and they can instruct Arnold effectively. California spoke. Live with it. They did. Makes no diffy woo to me, except as further proof that California continues to be the Enchanted Land of Fruits and Nuts. http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveilla...0011031_eff_us a_patriot_analysis.php You disappoint me Chuck. Show the true Harry colors. Knock the person because he is not your very Liberal type. He is a damn good administrator. Look at his movie company. Look at his real estate empire. He stated at one time that he would control all his films after he did his first 3 under a contract with no say in the film. Why the toad "Commando" was filmed with him. He says that movie was bad. Except for a couple of lines, he is correct. He is the producer of the Terminator series. He has selected good people to work for him. Runs a very successful real estate operation. I understand he has more money from the real estate than the films. Santa Monica has been mostly redeveloped by Arnold's company. He seems to be a hell of a lot more successful in business than most of us on wreck.boats Has more money than his in-laws and where is the administrative back ground of Ted Kennedy. And you guys love him. Bill |
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"Joe Parsons" wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:28:55 GMT, "Jim -" wrote: "Joe Parsons" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -" wrote: [snip] I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising another recall election in 100 days. "Coming into play NOW?" Jeez--the whole THING was a display of partisanship--period. Joe Parsons Exactly how Joe? Well, let's see...where to start? How about the fact that Rep. Darrell Issa (R Vista) was writing checks and gathering signatures for a recall even as Gray Davis was being sworn in for his second term as Governor. And (imagine everyone's surprise) Rep. Issa intended to run as a replacement candidate himself. Now, there's no argument that Davis was an unpopular governor--when the SF Chronicle endorsed him over his Republican Rival, Bill Simon, they said, "Hold your nose and vote for Davis." But I don't think it takes any exceptional discernment to see that the recall, initiated and funded by one politician who did not like the outcome of the just-completed, lawful election, was a back-door way to capture an office he would have no chance to win in a normal, 10 month long campaign. As it was, toward the end of this six-week campaign, Schwarzenegger's support was waning from its peak, and I don't think it takes too much of an imagination to guess that, given time and a "normal" campaign, his undeniable star power would not be sufficient to carry him into the Governor's office. I hope he does manage to keep his considerable energies to the daunting task ahead of him. I suspect he's in for some eye-openers when he has to lock horns with some of the farther right members of his party in the State Legislature. I wish him all the best. Joe Parsons It's been said that California gets a lot more liberal legislature than they vote for. As to a recall, I do not think the Democrat party is stupid enough to try it, but sometimes they surprise me. 43% of the people voted for Arnold. More votes than Grey got in the last election. People in this state are really ****ed at the legislators at this time. Spend way more than is coming in at the same time that revenues increased 24% and passing bills to allow illegal's to get driver's licenses, etc. In the first 4 years of Davis's leadership, he grew state government employment 44,000. Accepted donations from special interests and then did what they paid for. Both corporations and unions. Prison guards donate a mill and half and get a 30% raise on top of earlier raises while the state is laying off people and cutting child and health services. The Dem leadership of the state legislature has already stated that Arnold can suck eggs. May backfire bigtime when it is time to have the next election. |
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 04:42:35 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: 43% of the people voted for Arnold. Didn't a higher percentage vote not to remove Davis? In the first 4 years of Davis's leadership, he grew state government employment 44,000. while the state is laying off people and cutting child and health services. Somehow, the above two statement appear to contradict each other. bb |
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Arnold has to deal with the Lock-jawed, sell to the highest bidder (even if
not very high) Democrats that have taken over this state! Spend no matter what the result, if it gives more power to the Dem's in control. Bill "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message m... You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law, he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!! Arnold is NOT the kind of lockjawed Republican the neo-con-victs wanted. Obviously, he's quite liberal socially, and his positions indicate he's a fiscal moderate. In other words, he's a throwback to the moderate to liberal Republicans of the 1960s and 1970s, before that party went nutso. Remember, it was Richard Nixon who gave us wage-price controls and who opened the door to the PRC. And while he was a "conservative" for those days, by his party's standards today, he'd be considered a dirty commie pinko. I would have preferred that the Democrats kept the California statehouse, but I don't have any serious issues with Arnold as a politician. Not yet. I respect him as a self-made man of accomplishment and in his serious moments, he seems bright enough. He's certainly more capable and smarter than, say, George W. Bush. The people of California made a choice, and now it is up to Arnold to work with the Democrats and do what he can to help resolve that state's issues. I hope he is successful. |
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"bb" wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 04:42:35 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: 43% of the people voted for Arnold. Didn't a higher percentage vote not to remove Davis? In the first 4 years of Davis's leadership, he grew state government employment 44,000. while the state is laying off people and cutting child and health services. Somehow, the above two statement appear to contradict each other. bb 46% voted no recall, was wrong on the 43%, was 48% for Arnold. Grew state employment 44,000 and then when the fan turns on, he raises guards pay at same time cutting payments to Regional Centers, etc. Regional Centers handle the people who used to be in mental hospitals and also handicapped children, etc. |
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You disappoint me Chuck. Show the true Harry colors. Knock the person
because he is not your very Liberal type. He is a damn good administrator. Look at his movie company. How tough is it to run a successful movie company that makes films featuring Arnold S.? I submit that a "good administrator" wouldn't be caught flat footed outside the filing office and have to admit to the press that he didn't even have a plan to run the state at the time he filed for office. A good administrator doesn't buy a business he has no idea how to run. Look at his real estate empire. So, suddenly every real estate investor is qualified to be a state governor? Most real estate wealth is created from passive income and capital appreciation. Buy right, get slightly lucky, and you make money inspite of yourself. Has more money than his in-laws and where is the administrative back ground of Ted Kennedy. And you guys love him. Bill Who is "you guys"? Doesn't include me. Ted K is a walking, talking, exhibit in favor of term limits. 2-3 terms ought to be enough for a senator, especially when the terms are six years apiece. These guys who serve decade, after decade, after decade become an instution- rather than a representative of the people. Don't forget that I'm well to the left of most Democrats. I want to see the people represented effectively (to actualize the concept of self government) and the Constitution upheld. To hell with political parties, any of them, that do not serve those two primary objectives. The welfare of the parties is supposed to be subordinate to the welfare of the people and the nation state. No particular fan of Kennedy here.....and certainly not among any group that "loves" him. Ted K is a mainstream, party Democrat- a status that means nothing to me, and maybe a lot of other independent liberals. |
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"WaIIy" wrote in message
... It must be very upsetting to you to see your leftist/socialist power mongers on the ropes. The more you guys whine, ****, moan and cheat, the worse you do. I love it. Have another beer and enjoy it while you can Wilbur. I expect you'll live plenty long enough to see the dems back in power and maybe even long enough to once again witness a balanced budget. |
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Joe Parsons wrote in message
Vell, let me tell you sumthing: Aaah-nult may be de Teuhminatah, but de problem is that ve dun't know about his qualifications. That does not mean Aaaah-nult is not qualified to be de Governor of Caleeforneea. It chust means ve don't know foh schuah. I think ve schould vait und zee. Bezides: zome of us kint of LIKE talking like Aaaah-nult--even if ve ditn't vote foah him ant thought it vas a BAD ideah. Choe Paaahsons Heehee! That must have took a lot of time!! Very funny, though. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:%G5hb.3827
It's been said that California gets a lot more liberal legislature than they vote for. As to a recall, I do not think the Democrat party is stupid enough to try it, but sometimes they surprise me. Yes, they COULD possibly be as stupid as the republicans, who did it. Why would the Dems be "stupid" for rallying for a recall? Was the Repubs equally stupid for rallying for one? As for the choices the people made, I'd really rather have somebody leading my state that knows something about the subject, rather than hire some actor just because he's affiliated with the party of my choice. |
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