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basskisser October 8th 03 12:25 PM

OT congrats, Calif.
 
You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows
nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law,
he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!!

Gould 0738 October 8th 03 02:43 PM

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You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows
nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law,
he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!!


Electable front man. The real governing will be done by his rw handlers, behind
the scenes.

My hat's off to the whole rw recall deal. Sweetly done. It should, (and
probably will), be recorded in political science textbooks as a classic case.

If Arnold the movie star had been Arnold the CPA instead, with the exact same
business and political background, he would have pulled in only a few hundred
votes from the entire state.

Oh well, good for the goose is good for the gander. If the star struck public
is going to vote for absolutely unqualified actors for important public office,
we have a lot more of them to the left than they have to the right. Do the
moderates and liberals have
the same will to manipulate the public as do the extreme conservatives? Time
will tell. :-)



Joe Parsons October 8th 03 04:36 PM

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On 08 Oct 2003 13:43:11 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows
nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law,
he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!!


Electable front man. The real governing will be done by his rw handlers, behind
the scenes.

My hat's off to the whole rw recall deal. Sweetly done. It should, (and
probably will), be recorded in political science textbooks as a classic case.

If Arnold the movie star had been Arnold the CPA instead, with the exact same
business and political background, he would have pulled in only a few hundred
votes from the entire state.

Oh well, good for the goose is good for the gander. If the star struck public
is going to vote for absolutely unqualified actors for important public office,
we have a lot more of them to the left than they have to the right. Do the
moderates and liberals have
the same will to manipulate the public as do the extreme conservatives? Time
will tell. :-)


Vell, let me tell you sumthing: Aaah-nult may be de Teuhminatah, but de problem
is that ve dun't know about his qualifications. That does not mean Aaaah-nult
is not qualified to be de Governor of Caleeforneea. It chust means ve don't
know foh schuah.

I think ve schould vait und zee.

Bezides: zome of us kint of LIKE talking like Aaaah-nult--even if ve ditn't vote
foah him ant thought it vas a BAD ideah.

Choe Paaahsons



Larry Hill October 8th 03 06:27 PM

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He has a dregee in business!
Larry HiLL

Joe Parsons October 8th 03 07:14 PM

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On 08 Oct 2003 17:27:57 GMT, (Larry Hill) wrote:

He has a dregee in business!
Larry HiLL


Yes, he does have a degree from University of Wisconsin-Superior, granted in
1979 in International Business and Economics.

There was an interesting story about this from the LA Times News Service:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...on/6763126.htm

Schwarzenegger's film career was already reaching its stride when he was
recruited by U of W-S as a "cooperating faculty member." That position gave the
University a reason to waive the residency requirements and complete his degree,
largely by correspondence courses, according to the article.

Joe Parsons


Keith October 8th 03 11:33 PM

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Well remember the reference in "Demolition Man" to the Schwarzenegger
Presidential Library? This is just the first step!

"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows
nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law,
he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!!




Jim - October 9th 03 12:21 AM

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows
nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law,
he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!!


Electable front man. The real governing will be done by his rw handlers, behind
the scenes.

My hat's off to the whole rw recall deal. Sweetly done. It should, (and
probably will), be recorded in political science textbooks as a classic case.

If Arnold the movie star had been Arnold the CPA instead, with the exact same
business and political background, he would have pulled in only a few hundred
votes from the entire state.

Oh well, good for the goose is good for the gander. If the star struck public
is going to vote for absolutely unqualified actors for important public office,
we have a lot more of them to the left than they have to the right. Do the
moderates and liberals have
the same will to manipulate the public as do the extreme conservatives? Time
will tell. :-)



I did not support the guy just because his political affiliation began with "R".

I would like to see how many Dems voted for the guy.

Too bad you had to try to spin the win with your political bias. It is unbecoming of
you Chuck.

California spoke. Live with it.


Gould 0738 October 9th 03 12:31 AM

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I did not support the guy just because his political affiliation began with
"R".


Nor did many others. McClintock was the best Republican candidate.

I would like to see how many Dems voted for the guy.


A bunch. They all think Californina politics will become exciting as a
Terminator movie. :-(

Too bad you had to try to spin the win with your political bias. It is
unbecoming of
you Chuck.


That is my honest opinion. They have elected a celebrity, not a proven
administrator, into a situation where a proven administrator is required. Good
luck, CA. Hopefully, the interests that bankrolled the $1mm required to unseat
Davis know something about governing and they can instruct Arnold effectively.

California spoke. Live with it.


They did. Makes no diffy woo to me, except as further proof that California
continues to be the Enchanted Land of Fruits and Nuts.




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Harry Krause October 9th 03 12:32 AM

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"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows
nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law,
he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!!



Arnold is NOT the kind of lockjawed Republican the neo-con-victs wanted.
Obviously, he's quite liberal socially, and his positions indicate he's a
fiscal moderate. In other words, he's a throwback to the moderate to liberal
Republicans of the 1960s and 1970s, before that party went nutso.

Remember, it was Richard Nixon who gave us wage-price controls and who
opened the door to the PRC. And while he was a "conservative" for those
days, by his party's standards today, he'd be considered a dirty commie
pinko.

I would have preferred that the Democrats kept the California statehouse,
but I don't have any serious issues with Arnold as a politician. Not yet. I
respect him as a self-made man of accomplishment and in his serious moments,
he seems bright enough. He's certainly more capable and smarter than, say,
George W. Bush.

The people of California made a choice, and now it is up to Arnold to work
with the Democrats and do what he can to help resolve that state's issues. I
hope he is successful.



Gerald Simons October 9th 03 12:34 AM

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Rather he than Gary Coleman so says my Calif living & voting daughter & son-in-law.

Joe Parsons wrote in message . ..
On 08 Oct 2003 17:27:57 GMT, (Larry Hill) wrote:

He has a dregee in business!
Larry HiLL


Yes, he does have a degree from University of Wisconsin-Superior, granted in
1979 in International Business and Economics.

There was an interesting story about this from the LA Times News Service:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...on/6763126.htm

Schwarzenegger's film career was already reaching its stride when he was
recruited by U of W-S as a "cooperating faculty member." That position gave the
University a reason to waive the residency requirements and complete his degree,
largely by correspondence courses, according to the article.

Joe Parsons


Jim - October 9th 03 01:00 AM

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I did not support the guy just because his political affiliation began with
"R".


Nor did many others. McClintock was the best Republican candidate.


I agree. Too bad the voters did not see that. Hollywood blinded them.

But let us not forget the fact that they wanted a change and were desperate considering
the cast of players they were able to choose from.



I would like to see how many Dems voted for the guy.


A bunch. They all think Californina politics will become exciting as a
Terminator movie. :-(


Truly sad indeed. Arnold has a tough job ahead of him. He wants to cut $8 billion
from the budget and reduce property taxes at the same time. Good luck in that
endeavor.


Too bad you had to try to spin the win with your political bias. It is
unbecoming of
you Chuck.


That is my honest opinion. They have elected a celebrity, not a proven
administrator, into a situation where a proven administrator is required. Good
luck, CA. Hopefully, the interests that bankrolled the $1mm required to unseat
Davis know something about governing and they can instruct Arnold effectively.


Since he has been elected, I think everyone needs to give him a chance. He will likely
fail, but who knows.

I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising
another recall election in 100 days.



California spoke. Live with it.


They did. Makes no diffy woo to me, except as further proof that California
continues to be the Enchanted Land of Fruits and Nuts.



Again we agree. The state is totally screwed up both fiscally and politically. They
made their bed. Let them sleep in it.


Clams Canino October 9th 03 01:08 AM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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but I don't have any serious issues with Arnold as a politician. Not yet.

I
respect him as a self-made man of accomplishment and in his serious

moments,
he seems bright enough.


OK.......

So lets *say- Arnie don't slap any more asses, proves his business degree is
more than paper, and actually gets California turned around while forming a
bridge between the two parties.

IF (big if I grant) he does all that without digging any real holes.........
how do we elect him President? Ammendment? Or can congress pass a law to
"give him a pass" somehow?

-W





Joe Parsons October 9th 03 01:10 AM

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On 08 Oct 2003 23:31:56 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

I did not support the guy just because his political affiliation began with
"R".


Nor did many others. McClintock was the best Republican candidate.

I would like to see how many Dems voted for the guy.


A bunch. They all think Californina politics will become exciting as a
Terminator movie. :-(

Too bad you had to try to spin the win with your political bias. It is
unbecoming of
you Chuck.


That is my honest opinion. They have elected a celebrity, not a proven
administrator, into a situation where a proven administrator is required. Good
luck, CA. Hopefully, the interests that bankrolled the $1mm required to unseat
Davis


Actually, Darrell Issa put up $1.6 million of his own money to gather the
signatures necessary to initiate the recall. He subsequently paid an additional
$845,000 to help promote it. IIANM, this occurred at a time that he expected to
be a viable candidate. His hopes of seizing the Governor's Mansion came to an
end when his two arrests in the 1970s on felony charges came to light. His
dropping out of the race coincided interestingly with Schwarzenegger's
announcement on the Jay Leno Show that he, himself, would run.

The last numbers I saw pegged the cost of the recall at around $70 million--up a
tad from the $35 million originally estimated.

know something about governing and they can instruct Arnold effectively.

California spoke. Live with it.


They did. Makes no diffy woo to me, except as further proof that California
continues to be the Enchanted Land of Fruits and Nuts.


Hey. Watch it.

Joe Parsons
San Francisco Bay




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Joe Parsons October 9th 03 01:21 AM

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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -" wrote:

[snip]

I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising
another recall election in 100 days.


"Coming into play NOW?"

Jeez--the whole THING was a display of partisanship--period.

Joe Parsons


Gould 0738 October 9th 03 01:23 AM

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IF (big if I grant) he does all that without digging any real holes.........
how do we elect him President? Ammendment? Or can congress pass a law to
"give him a pass" somehow?

-W


Constitutional amendment. (Or you elect his wife, who defers to Arnold in all
matters.)

Bad idea. The Constitution shouldn't be tweaked around for the convenience of
the moment, regardless how popular a particular movie star might be.

Jim - October 9th 03 01:28 AM

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"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -" wrote:

[snip]

I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising
another recall election in 100 days.


"Coming into play NOW?"

Jeez--the whole THING was a display of partisanship--period.

Joe Parsons


Exactly how Joe?


Clams Canino October 9th 03 01:35 AM

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I was thinking more like Congress passing a law declaring Arnold a natural
born citizen. LOL
I don't fancy the idea of screwing around with the Constitution.

I don't see him as a movie star. I know his resume and it shows a man of
tremenous drive and resolve. I'm not saying he can fix California, but if he
can - I'd take a hard look at him as POTUS material.

-W

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
IF (big if I grant) he does all that without digging any real

holes.........
how do we elect him President? Ammendment? Or can congress pass a law to
"give him a pass" somehow?

-W


Constitutional amendment. (Or you elect his wife, who defers to Arnold in

all
matters.)

Bad idea. The Constitution shouldn't be tweaked around for the convenience

of
the moment, regardless how popular a particular movie star might be.




bb October 9th 03 01:58 AM

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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -"
wrote:

I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising
another recall election in 100 days.


Well at least the Democrat Feinstein has the nads to attempt to do
what right for the public, rather than what's best for party politics:


Feinstein, who waged a strong campaign to help her one-time foe Davis
remain in office, said she was ready to help Republican governor-elect
Schwarzenegger and called a rumored Democratic effort to subject him
to a recall drive a "mistake."

"One of the problems is hyper-partisanship," said Feinstein. "You need
to break that cycle."


bb

Joe Parsons October 9th 03 02:55 AM

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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:28:55 GMT, "Jim -" wrote:

"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -" wrote:

[snip]

I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising
another recall election in 100 days.


"Coming into play NOW?"

Jeez--the whole THING was a display of partisanship--period.

Joe Parsons


Exactly how Joe?


Well, let's see...where to start?

How about the fact that Rep. Darrell Issa (R Vista) was writing checks and
gathering signatures for a recall even as Gray Davis was being sworn in for his
second term as Governor. And (imagine everyone's surprise) Rep. Issa intended
to run as a replacement candidate himself.

Now, there's no argument that Davis was an unpopular governor--when the SF
Chronicle endorsed him over his Republican Rival, Bill Simon, they said, "Hold
your nose and vote for Davis." But I don't think it takes any exceptional
discernment to see that the recall, initiated and funded by one politician who
did not like the outcome of the just-completed, lawful election, was a back-door
way to capture an office he would have no chance to win in a normal, 10 month
long campaign.

As it was, toward the end of this six-week campaign, Schwarzenegger's support
was waning from its peak, and I don't think it takes too much of an imagination
to guess that, given time and a "normal" campaign, his undeniable star power
would not be sufficient to carry him into the Governor's office.

I hope he does manage to keep his considerable energies to the daunting task
ahead of him. I suspect he's in for some eye-openers when he has to lock horns
with some of the farther right members of his party in the State Legislature.

I wish him all the best.

Joe Parsons

Mark Browne October 9th 03 04:31 AM

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snip
California spoke. Live with it.

I expect to see the same stoic attitude from you when the next Democrat wins
the Whitehouse.

Mark Browne



Mark Browne October 9th 03 04:42 AM

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snip

OK.......

So lets *say- Arnie don't slap any more asses, proves his business degree

is
more than paper, and actually gets California turned around while forming

a
bridge between the two parties.

IF (big if I grant) he does all that without digging any real

holes.........
how do we elect him President? Ammendment? Or can congress pass a law to
"give him a pass" somehow?

It would seem that the Republicans are breaking new ground by finding
convenient loopholes in the government rules.
Other than Arnold's election, the gerrymandering in Texas comes to mind.
If *they* wanted Arnold in - I don't think *they* would have much trouble
coming up with some way to get *their* boy in.

Mark Browne



Clams Canino October 9th 03 05:05 AM

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Arnold might be a Republican, but outside of California he passes most of
the "smell test" for a Demacrat too. If he can do the job - I'll LIKE him -
even if he switches parties every 6 months.

-W

"Mark Browne" wrote in message
news:4P4hb.524266$Oz4.385975@rwcrnsc54...
snip

OK.......

So lets *say- Arnie don't slap any more asses, proves his business

degree
is
more than paper, and actually gets California turned around while

forming
a
bridge between the two parties.

IF (big if I grant) he does all that without digging any real

holes.........
how do we elect him President? Ammendment? Or can congress pass a law to
"give him a pass" somehow?

It would seem that the Republicans are breaking new ground by finding
convenient loopholes in the government rules.
Other than Arnold's election, the gerrymandering in Texas comes to mind.
If *they* wanted Arnold in - I don't think *they* would have much trouble
coming up with some way to get *their* boy in.

Mark Browne





Calif Bill October 9th 03 05:28 AM

OT congrats, Calif.
 

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I did not support the guy just because his political affiliation began

with
"R".


Nor did many others. McClintock was the best Republican candidate.

I would like to see how many Dems voted for the guy.


A bunch. They all think Californina politics will become exciting as a
Terminator movie. :-(

Too bad you had to try to spin the win with your political bias. It is
unbecoming of
you Chuck.


That is my honest opinion. They have elected a celebrity, not a proven
administrator, into a situation where a proven administrator is required.

Good
luck, CA. Hopefully, the interests that bankrolled the $1mm required to

unseat
Davis know something about governing and they can instruct Arnold

effectively.

California spoke. Live with it.


They did. Makes no diffy woo to me, except as further proof that

California
continues to be the Enchanted Land of Fruits and Nuts.




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You disappoint me Chuck. Show the true Harry colors. Knock the person
because he is not your very Liberal type. He is a damn good administrator.
Look at his movie company. Look at his real estate empire. He stated at
one time that he would control all his films after he did his first 3 under
a contract with no say in the film. Why the toad "Commando" was filmed with
him. He says that movie was bad. Except for a couple of lines, he is
correct. He is the producer of the Terminator series. He has selected good
people to work for him. Runs a very successful real estate operation. I
understand he has more money from the real estate than the films. Santa
Monica has been mostly redeveloped by Arnold's company. He seems to be a
hell of a lot more successful in business than most of us on wreck.boats
Has more money than his in-laws and where is the administrative back ground
of Ted Kennedy. And you guys love him.
Bill



Calif Bill October 9th 03 05:42 AM

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"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:28:55 GMT, "Jim -"

wrote:

"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -"

wrote:

[snip]

I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the

dems promising
another recall election in 100 days.

"Coming into play NOW?"

Jeez--the whole THING was a display of partisanship--period.

Joe Parsons


Exactly how Joe?


Well, let's see...where to start?

How about the fact that Rep. Darrell Issa (R Vista) was writing checks and
gathering signatures for a recall even as Gray Davis was being sworn in

for his
second term as Governor. And (imagine everyone's surprise) Rep. Issa

intended
to run as a replacement candidate himself.

Now, there's no argument that Davis was an unpopular governor--when the SF
Chronicle endorsed him over his Republican Rival, Bill Simon, they said,

"Hold
your nose and vote for Davis." But I don't think it takes any exceptional
discernment to see that the recall, initiated and funded by one politician

who
did not like the outcome of the just-completed, lawful election, was a

back-door
way to capture an office he would have no chance to win in a normal, 10

month
long campaign.

As it was, toward the end of this six-week campaign, Schwarzenegger's

support
was waning from its peak, and I don't think it takes too much of an

imagination
to guess that, given time and a "normal" campaign, his undeniable star

power
would not be sufficient to carry him into the Governor's office.

I hope he does manage to keep his considerable energies to the daunting

task
ahead of him. I suspect he's in for some eye-openers when he has to lock

horns
with some of the farther right members of his party in the State

Legislature.

I wish him all the best.

Joe Parsons


It's been said that California gets a lot more liberal legislature than they
vote for. As to a recall, I do not think the Democrat party is stupid
enough to try it, but sometimes they surprise me. 43% of the people voted
for Arnold. More votes than Grey got in the last election. People in this
state are really ****ed at the legislators at this time. Spend way more
than is coming in at the same time that revenues increased 24% and passing
bills to allow illegal's to get driver's licenses, etc. In the first 4
years of Davis's leadership, he grew state government employment 44,000.
Accepted donations from special interests and then did what they paid for.
Both corporations and unions. Prison guards donate a mill and half and get
a 30% raise on top of earlier raises while the state is laying off people
and cutting child and health services. The Dem leadership of the state
legislature has already stated that Arnold can suck eggs. May backfire
bigtime when it is time to have the next election.



bb October 9th 03 05:48 AM

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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 04:42:35 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

43% of the people voted
for Arnold.


Didn't a higher percentage vote not to remove Davis?

In the first 4
years of Davis's leadership, he grew state government employment 44,000.


while the state is laying off people
and cutting child and health services.


Somehow, the above two statement appear to contradict each other.

bb

Calif Bill October 9th 03 05:50 AM

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Arnold has to deal with the Lock-jawed, sell to the highest bidder (even if
not very high) Democrats that have taken over this state! Spend no matter
what the result, if it gives more power to the Dem's in control.
Bill

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows
nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law,
he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!!



Arnold is NOT the kind of lockjawed Republican the neo-con-victs wanted.
Obviously, he's quite liberal socially, and his positions indicate he's a
fiscal moderate. In other words, he's a throwback to the moderate to

liberal
Republicans of the 1960s and 1970s, before that party went nutso.

Remember, it was Richard Nixon who gave us wage-price controls and who
opened the door to the PRC. And while he was a "conservative" for those
days, by his party's standards today, he'd be considered a dirty commie
pinko.

I would have preferred that the Democrats kept the California statehouse,
but I don't have any serious issues with Arnold as a politician. Not yet.

I
respect him as a self-made man of accomplishment and in his serious

moments,
he seems bright enough. He's certainly more capable and smarter than, say,
George W. Bush.

The people of California made a choice, and now it is up to Arnold to work
with the Democrats and do what he can to help resolve that state's issues.

I
hope he is successful.





Calif Bill October 9th 03 07:09 AM

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"bb" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 04:42:35 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

43% of the people voted
for Arnold.


Didn't a higher percentage vote not to remove Davis?

In the first 4
years of Davis's leadership, he grew state government employment 44,000.


while the state is laying off people
and cutting child and health services.


Somehow, the above two statement appear to contradict each other.

bb


46% voted no recall, was wrong on the 43%, was 48% for Arnold.

Grew state employment 44,000 and then when the fan turns on, he raises
guards pay at same time cutting payments to Regional Centers, etc. Regional
Centers handle the people who used to be in mental hospitals and also
handicapped children, etc.



Gould 0738 October 9th 03 07:58 AM

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You disappoint me Chuck. Show the true Harry colors. Knock the person
because he is not your very Liberal type. He is a damn good administrator.
Look at his movie company.


How tough is it to run a successful movie company that makes films featuring
Arnold S.?

I submit that a "good administrator" wouldn't be caught flat footed outside the
filing office and have to admit to the press that he didn't even have a plan to
run the state at the time he filed for office. A good administrator doesn't buy
a business he has no idea how to run.


Look at his real estate empire.


So, suddenly every real estate investor is qualified to be a state governor?
Most real estate wealth is created from passive income and capital
appreciation. Buy right, get slightly lucky, and you make money inspite of
yourself.

Has more money than his in-laws and where is the administrative back ground
of Ted Kennedy. And you guys love him.
Bill


Who is "you guys"?
Doesn't include me. Ted K is a walking, talking, exhibit in favor of term
limits.
2-3 terms ought to be enough for a senator, especially when the terms are six
years apiece. These guys who serve decade, after decade, after decade become an
instution- rather than a representative of the people. Don't forget that I'm
well to the left of most Democrats. I want to see the people represented
effectively (to actualize the concept of self government) and the Constitution
upheld. To hell with political parties, any of them, that do not serve those
two primary objectives. The welfare of the parties is supposed to be
subordinate to the welfare of the people and the nation state. No particular
fan of Kennedy here.....and certainly not among any group that "loves" him. Ted
K is a mainstream, party Democrat- a status that means nothing to me, and maybe
a lot of other independent liberals.



jps October 9th 03 08:36 AM

OT congrats, Calif.
 
"WaIIy" wrote in message
...

It must be very upsetting to you to see your leftist/socialist power
mongers on the ropes.

The more you guys whine, ****, moan and cheat, the worse you do.

I love it.


Have another beer and enjoy it while you can Wilbur. I expect you'll live
plenty long enough to see the dems back in power and maybe even long enough
to once again witness a balanced budget.





basskisser October 9th 03 11:57 AM

OT congrats, Calif.
 
Joe Parsons wrote in message
Vell, let me tell you sumthing: Aaah-nult may be de Teuhminatah, but de problem
is that ve dun't know about his qualifications. That does not mean Aaaah-nult
is not qualified to be de Governor of Caleeforneea. It chust means ve don't
know foh schuah.

I think ve schould vait und zee.

Bezides: zome of us kint of LIKE talking like Aaaah-nult--even if ve ditn't vote
foah him ant thought it vas a BAD ideah.

Choe Paaahsons


Heehee! That must have took a lot of time!! Very funny, though.

basskisser October 9th 03 12:00 PM

OT congrats, Calif.
 
(Gerald Simons) wrote in message . com...
Rather he than Gary Coleman so says my Calif living & voting daughter & son-in-law.


Why? They both have about equal qualifications for running a state government.

basskisser October 9th 03 12:04 PM

OT congrats, Calif.
 
"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:%G5hb.3827
It's been said that California gets a lot more liberal legislature than they
vote for. As to a recall, I do not think the Democrat party is stupid
enough to try it, but sometimes they surprise me.


Yes, they COULD possibly be as stupid as the republicans, who did it.
Why would the Dems be "stupid" for rallying for a recall? Was the
Repubs equally stupid for rallying for one?

As for the choices the people made, I'd really rather have somebody
leading my state that knows something about the subject, rather than
hire some actor just because he's affiliated with the party of my
choice.


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