On 12/16/11 2:52 PM, Canuck57 wrote:

Back then was 1982 or 1983 for IBM's first PC, and they weren't
anywhere
near $8000 in US or Canadian dollars. They were less than a quarter of
that amount, and only some parts in them were "American-made."
Further,
IBM wasn't unionized. In fact, about the only large-scale supplier of
PC's who was unionized back in the early to middle "PC" days was AT&T
and even those boxes were merely assembled from parts made outside the
USA.

I bought one of the first IBM PC's sold to consumers in our area,
from a
dealer in Northern Virginia.

So, as usual, you are full of crap. Like your shower buddy, iSnotty,
you
have no real knowledge of actual history in any area.


Addendum...bought my first IBM PC in 1982, apparently, a few months
after they were introduced in 1981. Paid $1650 in 1982 dollars, not
$8000 or anything near that.


http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ex...c25_birth.html

Says $1,565 as list for striped bare. However everything else is extra.
Monitor, software, hard drive storage, second floppy, memory, modem,
printer, even shipping with Canadian pricing it was $8000. Even the
"Basic" and assembler packages cost extra. Even the ST506 hard drive
controller was extra. As was the power supply upgrade if you wanted hard
drives.

So $1,565 is like buying a car without the windshield, seats, steering
wheel and wheels. For Canadians, taxes and duties extra.

So blow it out your ass there harryk fleabagger. The real cost of a
usable system was $8000.

Apparently Harry the K has been caught in yet another lie. A surprise to
no one, I might add.

Yes he has. I know as at the time I built clone PCs from bare boards and
ICs, burned PROMs, even designed adapter cards for the ISA bus. Worked
in the engineering department at NorTel at the time as we used the
custom systems for manufacturing and for the products we shipped. Even
burned PROMs with out custom code. Back then I was a "hacker" when it
was deemed good. Even wrote a distributed RS232 serial network so we
didn't have to buy $1000++ Ethernet cards with drivers that consumed
half the systems resource and memory. Plus the thick cables were too
expensive to run 100's of meters through the facilities.

harryk might have pioneered being a "hanger". A hanger being someone
that didn't know **** about computers but wanted the lime light when
things started working. But management back then saw through the crap.

harryk is a bull****ting idiot.


You weren't building "clone" PC's in 1981-82, not PCs that followed the
IBM standard. I sold my first PC about a year or so after I bought it
because I got a reviewer's "deal" on an 8086 based PC Clone from Eagle,
and I was a regular columnist of a weekly news format tabloid called PC
Week. Also wrote for PC Mag and my favorite, BYTE. Jerry Pournelle, the
sci-fi writer, was a columnist there and he got me an S-100 bus "demo"
computer. Didn't like it at all.

Your claims of being a "hacker" are bull****, too. A "hacker"
accountant? Not that I believe you were an accountant, either.

An $8000 PC? Bull****.