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The leader of Islamic Jihad, Ramadan Shallah, told Dubai-based Al-Arabiya TV
that the Israeli attack was "a grave development that exceeded all rules of
the game."

-----------------------------------------------------

They think that murdering women and children is a "game"?

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About time Israel showed more teeth.

-W

"NOYB" wrote in message
. ..
The leader of Islamic Jihad, Ramadan Shallah, told Dubai-based Al-Arabiya
TV
that the Israeli attack was "a grave development that exceeded all rules
of
the game."

-----------------------------------------------------

They think that murdering women and children is a "game"?

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....terrorists and the countries that harbor them...


"Clams Canino" wrote in message
. net...
About time Israel showed more teeth.

-W

"NOYB" wrote in message
. ..
The leader of Islamic Jihad, Ramadan Shallah, told Dubai-based
Al-Arabiya
TV
that the Israeli attack was "a grave development that exceeded all rules
of
the game."

-----------------------------------------------------

They think that murdering women and children is a "game"?

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On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 02:00:08 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

The leader of Islamic Jihad, Ramadan Shallah, told Dubai-based Al-Arabiya TV
that the Israeli attack was "a grave development that exceeded all rules of
the game."

-----------------------------------------------------

They think that murdering women and children is a "game"?


Yes.

War, and the resultant death, misery, and sorrow, seldom reaches
modern "leaders". From Nigeria to Columbia, the US to the Middle
East, and beyond, it is a game of chess. You kill my pawn, I kill two
of yours, and take your castle. All in the comfort of my leather
chair.

The ancient kings who rode at the head of their armies earned their
power. Today, it's as easy as a telephone call.



....carry on.
noah

To email me, please remove the "FISH" from the net.

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"Clams Canino" wrote in message
. net...
About time Israel showed more teeth.

-W


You mean that their continually grabbing land that isn't theirs - even
while supposedly "negotiating" in good faith isn't showing teeth?

Israel has lots more money, militarty, and resources. They negotiate
but all the while continue to make land grabs. Then they wonder why
terrorists attack them. Hmmmm....isn't building walls annexing people
a kind of terrorism??

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"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
. net...
About time Israel showed more teeth.

-W


You mean that their continually grabbing land that isn't theirs - even
while supposedly "negotiating" in good faith isn't showing teeth?

Israel has lots more money, militarty, and resources. They negotiate
but all the while continue to make land grabs. Then they wonder why
terrorists attack them. Hmmmm....isn't building walls annexing people
a kind of terrorism??


No.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
. net...
About time Israel showed more teeth.

-W


You mean that their continually grabbing land that isn't theirs - even
while supposedly "negotiating" in good faith isn't showing teeth?

Israel has lots more money, militarty, and resources. They negotiate
but all the while continue to make land grabs. Then they wonder why
terrorists attack them. Hmmmm....isn't building walls annexing people
a kind of terrorism??


No.

Really? It's not? What would Canada call it if NY State decided Plattsburgh
needed to expand north into Quebec for maybe 8 or 30 or 100 miles?

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
. net...
About time Israel showed more teeth.

-W


You mean that their continually grabbing land that isn't theirs - even
while supposedly "negotiating" in good faith isn't showing teeth?

Israel has lots more money, militarty, and resources. They negotiate
but all the while continue to make land grabs. Then they wonder why
terrorists attack them. Hmmmm....isn't building walls annexing people
a kind of terrorism??


No.

Really? It's not? What would Canada call it if NY State decided
Plattsburgh
needed to expand north into Quebec for maybe 8 or 30 or 100 miles?


Geez, dont give Bush any ideas! If he finds out they speak French in Quebec
he'll invade to punish to France for not supporting the war to find mythical
weapons of mass destruction.

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"Roger Martin" wrote in message
...


Israel has lots more money, militarty, and resources. They
negotiate
but all the while continue to make land grabs. Then they wonder why
terrorists attack them. Hmmmm....isn't building walls annexing
people
a kind of terrorism??


No.

Really? It's not? What would Canada call it if NY State decided
Plattsburgh
needed to expand north into Quebec for maybe 8 or 30 or 100 miles?


Geez, dont give Bush any ideas! If he finds out they speak French in
Quebec
he'll invade to punish to France for not supporting the war to find
mythical
weapons of mass destruction.



Yeah....like biologicalular weapons.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
. net...
About time Israel showed more teeth.

-W


You mean that their continually grabbing land that isn't theirs - even
while supposedly "negotiating" in good faith isn't showing teeth?

Israel has lots more money, militarty, and resources. They negotiate
but all the while continue to make land grabs. Then they wonder why
terrorists attack them. Hmmmm....isn't building walls annexing people
a kind of terrorism??


No.

Really? It's not? What would Canada call it if NY State decided
Plattsburgh
needed to expand north into Quebec for maybe 8 or 30 or 100 miles?

Imperialism.

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War mongering? All sides are slinging the word "terrorism" around too
loosely ever since 9/11.

I consider it terrorism to *deliberatly* target civilians in order to scare
a population into doing or not doing something. Guerilla warfare isn't
terrorism. Blowing up civilian busses is. There's a difference between
tageting civilians and "collateral damage".

I don't even see the Sept 11 *Pentagon* attack as "pure terrorism".
The Pentagon *is* a legitimate military target and if you work there, you
are part of the militarty structure. However the innocent people in the
plane that hit the Pentagon are such high "collateral damage" as to be able
to call it terrorism in light of the rest of the 9/11 attacks. If that
plane was empty - I'd label the Pentagon strike as a "sucker punch".

-W

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news:Jcjgb.272

Really? It's not? What would Canada call it if NY State decided
Plattsburgh
needed to expand north into Quebec for maybe 8 or 30 or 100 miles?

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I agree with all that below.

You seem to think Israel is right in it's actions - can
you tell me why? Don't the Palestinian's have a right
to fight to protect their land?



"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:52mgb.511201$cF.181837@rwcrnsc53...
War mongering? All sides are slinging the word "terrorism" around too
loosely ever since 9/11.

I consider it terrorism to *deliberatly* target civilians in order to
scare
a population into doing or not doing something. Guerilla warfare isn't
terrorism. Blowing up civilian busses is. There's a difference between
tageting civilians and "collateral damage".

I don't even see the Sept 11 *Pentagon* attack as "pure terrorism".
The Pentagon *is* a legitimate military target and if you work there, you
are part of the militarty structure. However the innocent people in the
plane that hit the Pentagon are such high "collateral damage" as to be
able
to call it terrorism in light of the rest of the 9/11 attacks. If that
plane was empty - I'd label the Pentagon strike as a "sucker punch".

-W

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news:Jcjgb.272

Really? It's not? What would Canada call it if NY State decided
Plattsburgh
needed to expand north into Quebec for maybe 8 or 30 or 100 miles?

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I agree with all that below.

You seem to think Israel is right in it's actions - can
you tell me why? Don't the Palestinian's have a right
to fight to protect their land?

Well let's see:

Political contributions to US politicians by
people sympathetic to Zionism: $gazillion

Political contributions to US politicians by
people opposed to Zionism: $3.16

Hmm. Looks like the Palestinians have a ways to go to earn our support. :-(

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So let them wage a guerilla war against Israeli SOLDIERS. (as opposed to
school kids)
I have no problem with that.

-W

"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

I agree with all that below.

You seem to think Israel is right in it's actions - can
you tell me why? Don't the Palestinian's have a right
to fight to protect their land?



"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:52mgb.511201$cF.181837@rwcrnsc53...
War mongering? All sides are slinging the word "terrorism" around too
loosely ever since 9/11.

I consider it terrorism to *deliberatly* target civilians in order to
scare
a population into doing or not doing something. Guerilla warfare isn't
terrorism. Blowing up civilian busses is. There's a difference between
tageting civilians and "collateral damage".

I don't even see the Sept 11 *Pentagon* attack as "pure terrorism".
The Pentagon *is* a legitimate military target and if you work there,
you
are part of the militarty structure. However the innocent people in the
plane that hit the Pentagon are such high "collateral damage" as to be
able
to call it terrorism in light of the rest of the 9/11 attacks. If that
plane was empty - I'd label the Pentagon strike as a "sucker punch".

-W

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news:Jcjgb.272

Really? It's not? What would Canada call it if NY State decided
Plattsburgh
needed to expand north into Quebec for maybe 8 or 30 or 100 miles?

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Gary Warner wrote:

I agree with all that below.

You seem to think Israel is right in it's actions - can
you tell me why? Don't the Palestinian's have a right
to fight to protect their land?



The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in 1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gary Warner wrote:

I agree with all that below.

You seem to think Israel is right in it's actions - can
you tell me why? Don't the Palestinian's have a right
to fight to protect their land?



The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in 1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.


And what history book did you read that one in?

Most Palestinians fled after the mass executions of anyone not a Jew by the
fledging Israelis army and its irregulars - Stern Gang etc.. The number of
Jews in Palestine was minute pre 1939, only when the mass immigration after
WW2 did the numbers rise.

The big problem for the Israelis is that they carved out a country using
terrorism against the Brits and Palestinians - the freedom fighting
Palestinians are only trying to win back their country from a rogue state.

Or are they just a bunch of sub humans who dont deserve national self
determination like the Jews?

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Roger Martin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gary Warner wrote:

I agree with all that below.

You seem to think Israel is right in it's actions - can
you tell me why? Don't the Palestinian's have a right
to fight to protect their land?



The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in 1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.


And what history book did you read that one in?


About 20 of them.


Most Palestinians fled after the mass executions of anyone not a Jew by the
fledging Israelis army and its irregulars - Stern Gang etc.. The number of
Jews in Palestine was minute pre 1939, only when the mass immigration after
WW2 did the numbers rise.

It was substantial in 1939 and it was more substantial as many of the
survivors of the Aryans arrived after WW II.




The big problem for the Israelis is that they carved out a country using
terrorism against the Brits and Palestinians - the freedom fighting
Palestinians are only trying to win back their country from a rogue state.

Uh-huh.





Or are they just a bunch of sub humans who dont deserve national self
determination like the Jews?


The Jews, eh? Why not just come out and say it, fella. Don't use the
so-called Palestinians as your surrogates.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Roger Martin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gary Warner wrote:

I agree with all that below.

You seem to think Israel is right in it's actions - can
you tell me why? Don't the Palestinian's have a right
to fight to protect their land?



The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in 1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.


And what history book did you read that one in?


About 20 of them.


Most Palestinians fled after the mass executions of anyone not a Jew by
the
fledging Israelis army and its irregulars - Stern Gang etc.. The number
of
Jews in Palestine was minute pre 1939, only when the mass immigration
after
WW2 did the numbers rise.

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhisto...tish%20Mandate

Written by an Israelis.


It was substantial in 1939 and it was more substantial as many of the
survivors of the Aryans arrived after WW II.



http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm

Notice that the population figures from the various census have very large
numbers of Arabs/Palestinians and rapidly increasing numbers of Jews.

An analogy of that period would be allowing mass migration from Mexico
into California and then only allowing Roman Catholics to vote in elections
after they've chased off all of the non Roman Catholics.



The big problem for the Israelis is that they carved out a country using
terrorism against the Brits and Palestinians - the freedom fighting
Palestinians are only trying to win back their country from a rogue
state.

Uh-huh.


http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/

Has a Zionist's history of Deir Yassin - 100 non combatants killed.





Or are they just a bunch of sub humans who dont deserve national self
determination like the Jews?


The Jews, eh? Why not just come out and say it, fella. Don't use the
so-called Palestinians as your surrogates.


Why does a pro Palestinian viewpoint make me an anti Semite?
I was anti apartheid as well, and any thinking person would have
to agree that Israel practices a form of religious apartheid on non
Jews. I'm not sure that I can think of any other so called democratic
state which practices such blatant discrimination based solely on
religious belief (plenty of African states though).

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"Gary Warner" wrote:

You mean that their continually grabbing land that isn't theirs - even
while supposedly "negotiating" in good faith isn't showing teeth?

Israel has lots more money, militarty, and resources. They negotiate
but all the while continue to make land grabs. Then they wonder why
terrorists attack them. Hmmmm....isn't building walls annexing people
a kind of terrorism??



"NOYB" wrote:
No.

NOYB, I disagree with your curt and unsophisticated answer.

TERRORISM (From the American Heritage Dictionary):
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an
organized group against people or property with the intention of
intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or
political reasons.


Israel building settlements and fencing in land that is not theirs qualifies
as follows:

Unlawful?
Yes, by international standards (law) much of the land annexed by Israel is
not
theirs. Israel is in violation of UN resolutions on this subject. (I
believe - could be wrong)

Force?
Yep, they are taking land by force.

Intention of Intimidating or Coercing?
While it's hard to proove what someone's intent is, I believe the Israeli
leadership wants
to intimidate the Palestinians into just "accepting" that Israel WILL have
this land.

TERRORISM does not have to be killing of people or killing of civilians,
though Israel does that too.

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"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...
"Gary Warner" wrote:

You mean that their continually grabbing land that isn't theirs - even
while supposedly "negotiating" in good faith isn't showing teeth?

Israel has lots more money, militarty, and resources. They negotiate
but all the while continue to make land grabs. Then they wonder why
terrorists attack them. Hmmmm....isn't building walls annexing people
a kind of terrorism??



"NOYB" wrote:
No.

NOYB, I disagree with your curt and unsophisticated answer.

TERRORISM (From the American Heritage Dictionary):
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an
organized group against people or property with the intention of
intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological
or
political reasons.


Israel building settlements and fencing in land that is not theirs
qualifies
as follows:

Unlawful?
Yes, by international standards (law) much of the land annexed by Israel
is
not
theirs. Israel is in violation of UN resolutions on this subject. (I
believe - could be wrong)

Force?
Yep, they are taking land by force.

Intention of Intimidating or Coercing?
While it's hard to proove what someone's intent is, I believe the Israeli
leadership wants
to intimidate the Palestinians into just "accepting" that Israel WILL have
this land.

TERRORISM does not have to be killing of people or killing of civilians,
though Israel does that too.

It's not terrorism. Imperialism...maybe. But, not terrorism.

Check the definition of Imperialism:

"The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or
by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.
"

Now isn't that a better definition? And it doesn't need any spin to make it
"fit"...

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in 1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.



I believe you've packed many misleading half-truths into those
two sentences, but I'll have to wait until I'm back home where
I have some resouce books to check before I can correct you
in detail.


NOTE: I notice that almost everyone who argues for the Isreali
position eventually calles anyone that makes any points against
it an anti-semite. That's like calling anyone who makes any
arguments against the US Governments policies "non-patriotic."

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NOTE: I notice that almost everyone who argues for the Isreali
position eventually calles anyone that makes any points against
it an anti-semite. That's like calling anyone who makes any
arguments against the US Governments policies "non-patriotic."


If the scrap was between Moslems and Hindus, nobobdy in the US would give a
serous rip. When was the last time you met anybody with a passionate opinion
about any of the several countries surrounding India, where inter-faith warfare
is a way of life?

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I don't think that if you argue against Israel you're an anti-Semite...but
you *are* lacking in rationale and intelligent thought.

Israel is not expanding it's borders. In fact, many of the attempted truce
deals have had Israel agreeing to pull back its borders. Unfortunately, the
Palestinians won't be happy until those borders are pulled back all the way
to the Mediterranean.




"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in 1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.



I believe you've packed many misleading half-truths into those
two sentences, but I'll have to wait until I'm back home where
I have some resouce books to check before I can correct you
in detail.


NOTE: I notice that almost everyone who argues for the Isreali
position eventually calles anyone that makes any points against
it an anti-semite. That's like calling anyone who makes any
arguments against the US Governments policies "non-patriotic."

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
NOTE: I notice that almost everyone who argues for the Isreali
position eventually calles anyone that makes any points against
it an anti-semite. That's like calling anyone who makes any
arguments against the US Governments policies "non-patriotic."


If the scrap was between Moslems and Hindus, nobobdy in the US would give
a
serous rip. When was the last time you met anybody with a passionate
opinion
about any of the several countries surrounding India, where inter-faith
warfare
is a way of life?

That's a pretty good point, Gould. But how many Hindus live in this
country?

If WWII hadn't happened, would we still be supporting Israel as
passionately? Would Israel even exist today?

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A large segment of Israel's population does not agree with the various truce
deals, and they continue building settlements. Right or wrong, the
Palestinians lump all Israelis into one category, regardless of the various
political flavors which make up the nation. Not much different than the rest
of the world seeing all Americans as being cut from the same cloth.

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
I don't think that if you argue against Israel you're an anti-Semite...but
you *are* lacking in rationale and intelligent thought.

Israel is not expanding it's borders. In fact, many of the attempted
truce
deals have had Israel agreeing to pull back its borders. Unfortunately,
the
Palestinians won't be happy until those borders are pulled back all the
way
to the Mediterranean.




"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in
1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.



I believe you've packed many misleading half-truths into those
two sentences, but I'll have to wait until I'm back home where
I have some resouce books to check before I can correct you
in detail.


NOTE: I notice that almost everyone who argues for the Isreali
position eventually calles anyone that makes any points against
it an anti-semite. That's like calling anyone who makes any
arguments against the US Governments policies "non-patriotic."

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That's a pretty good point, Gould. But how many Hindus live in this
country?

I have no idea.

But because 10-15% (? guesstimate) of our population is of Jewish extraction in
the US we are somehow compelled to take the Israeli side at all times? I don't
think so. We need to recognize that there are injustices on *both* sides in
this thing. Nobody can honestly claim moral superiority.

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On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:59:48 +0000, Gould 0738 wrote:

That's a pretty good point, Gould. But how many Hindus live in this
country?

I have no idea.

I found two numbers, 766,000 in 2001 and 1.1 million.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hinduism.htm

But because 10-15% (? guesstimate) of our population is of Jewish extraction in
the US we are somehow compelled to take the Israeli side at all times? I don't
think so. We need to recognize that there are injustices on *both* sides in
this thing. Nobody can honestly claim moral superiority.

The Jewish population in the US is somewhere between 5.2 and 6.7 million
and declining due to low birthrates.
http://www.wwrn.org/parse.php?idd=9668&c=129

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The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in 1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.


Roger Martin wrote:
And what history book did you read that one in?

Hmm. How about 'many'? It's pretty close to what actually happened.




Most Palestinians fled after the mass executions of anyone not a Jew by the
fledging Israelis army and its irregulars - Stern Gang etc..

This was a relatively small number. Certainly not equal to the number of Jewish
villagers killed by their Arab neighbors between ~300AD and 1948, or even in
1943 to 1948. That doesn't make it right, of course.


The number of
Jews in Palestine was minute pre 1939, only when the mass immigration after
WW2 did the numbers rise.

Excuse me? I suggest you read a factual account of the Zionist movement
originating in the mid 1800s.

There was a large Jewish population in Eretz Israel remaining after the
Diaspora. Look up any census of the region under the Ottoman Turks. And Jewish
settlers began arriving in the 1700s in steadily increasing flow, increasingly
better organized & financed. And they were always resisted, usually by force of
arms or stealthy murder. Good thing the US has never felt that way about
immigrants.....




The big problem for the Israelis is that they carved out a country using
terrorism against the Brits and Palestinians - the freedom fighting
Palestinians are only trying to win back their country from a rogue state.

What 'history book' did you read that in? It's pure Hezbollah propaganda.



Or are they just a bunch of sub humans who dont deserve national self
determination like the Jews?

Maybe the best answer would be to let the Palestinians form an independent
country, and have Israel recognize them... that way, future terrorist attacks
would be acts of war, and Israel could take better steps for defense.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
...

Maybe the best answer would be to let the Palestinians form an independent
country, and have Israel recognize them... that way, future terrorist
attacks
would be acts of war, and Israel could take better steps for defense.

DSK


Can't do that. American presidents NEED the Israeli/Palestinian conflict to
continue ad nauseum so that in election years, they can point to their
tireless efforts to bring peace to the Middle East.

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Maybe the best answer would be to let the Palestinians form an independent
country, and have Israel recognize them... that way, future terrorist
attacks
would be acts of war, and Israel could take better steps for defense.


Doug Kanter wrote:
Can't do that. American presidents NEED the Israeli/Palestinian conflict to
continue ad nauseum so that in election years, they can point to their
tireless efforts to bring peace to the Middle East.

Oh... right. Sorry 'bout that... what was I thinking!

DSK

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The Jewish population in the US is somewhere between 5.2 and 6.7 million
and declining due to low birthrates.
http://www.wwrn.org/parse.php?idd=9668&c=129



Two percent? I would have guessed (and did) much more.

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Gould 0738 wrote:

NOTE: I notice that almost everyone who argues for the Isreali
position eventually calles anyone that makes any points against
it an anti-semite. That's like calling anyone who makes any
arguments against the US Governments policies "non-patriotic."


If the scrap was between Moslems and Hindus, nobobdy in the US would give a
serous rip. When was the last time you met anybody with a passionate opinion
about any of the several countries surrounding India, where inter-faith warfare
is a way of life?



I have passionate opinions about Tibet, which borders India, because I
have long been following the efforts of the Dalai Lama, and his country
fascinates me. His Holiness is a reasonably frequent visitor to the
United States and I had the opportunity to attend a lecture he gave
about a month ago at the National Cathedral. I couldn't for the life of
me figure out what he might have said to George W. Bush during *their*
meeting. I'd love to visit Tibet and Nepal.

I went to Bangladesh in the early 1970s to direct and produce an
industrial film for a client on the architecture of Louis Kahn, but I
don't care much for the country. I am saddened every few years when they
have those killer floods.

India has no fascination for me. I have no desire to visit there. And I
wouldn't go to Pakistan for any reason.

The Hindu-Islamic strife between Pakistan and India is very sad.


--
* * *
email sent to will *never* get to me.

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"Roger Martin" wrote in message
...
An analogy of that period would be allowing mass migration from Mexico
into California and then only allowing Roman Catholics to vote in
elections
after they've chased off all of the non Roman Catholics.

Interesting analogy, especially when you think about why so many places in
California has spanish names.

But isn't arabs (i.e. the million who are israeli citizens) allowed to vote
in Israel (they have representatives in the Knesset) even if they are
muslims?

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"Terje Trane" wrote in message
...
"Roger Martin" wrote in message
...
An analogy of that period would be allowing mass migration from Mexico
into California and then only allowing Roman Catholics to vote in
elections
after they've chased off all of the non Roman Catholics.

Interesting analogy, especially when you think about why so many places in
California has spanish names.

But isn't arabs (i.e. the million who are israeli citizens) allowed to
vote
in Israel (they have representatives in the Knesset) even if they are
muslims?



I think their representatives are non-voting in the Knesset.

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On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:44:29 -0400, Gary Warner wrote:

"Gary Warner" wrote:

You mean that their continually grabbing land that isn't theirs - even
while supposedly "negotiating" in good faith isn't showing teeth?

Israel has lots more money, militarty, and resources. They negotiate
but all the while continue to make land grabs. Then they wonder why
terrorists attack them. Hmmmm....isn't building walls annexing people
a kind of terrorism??



"NOYB" wrote:
No.

NOYB, I disagree with your curt and unsophisticated answer.

TERRORISM (From the American Heritage Dictionary):
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an
organized group against people or property with the intention of
intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or
political reasons.


Israel building settlements and fencing in land that is not theirs qualifies
as follows:

Unlawful?
Yes, by international standards (law) much of the land annexed by Israel is
not
theirs. Israel is in violation of UN resolutions on this subject. (I
believe - could be wrong)

Force?
Yep, they are taking land by force.

Intention of Intimidating or Coercing?
While it's hard to proove what someone's intent is, I believe the Israeli
leadership wants
to intimidate the Palestinians into just "accepting" that Israel WILL have
this land.

TERRORISM does not have to be killing of people or killing of civilians,
though Israel does that too.

Then you don't differentiate between Palestinians blowing up civilians and
Israelis retaliating against terrorist targets? And note I said
"retaliating". It doesn't appear that Israelis are first to strike.

--

Larry
email is rapp at lmr dot com

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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:03:56 +0000, Larry wrote:

Then you don't differentiate between Palestinians blowing up civilians and
Israelis retaliating against terrorist targets? And note I said
"retaliating". It doesn't appear that Israelis are first to strike.

You obviously have a shorter memory than the Palestinians. The
Palestine/Israel conflict has been filled with atrocities on both sides.
The Stern Gang's tactics would fit most definitions of a terrorist
organization. Failure to recognize both parties having blood on their
hands is one of the reasons the Palestinian/Israeli conflict has been
raging for over 50 years. The boneheads in Israel's Likud Party seem
determined to continue the conflict for the next 50 years.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
I think their representatives are non-voting in the Knesset.

Did some searching and I don't think so. Seems they have the same voting
rights as jewish israelis, but there are 18% arab israelis and 82% jewish
israelis so ...

There are 6 arab parties and 3 mixed jewish-arab parties in the current
Knesset.

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Terje Trane wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
I think their representatives are non-voting in the Knesset.

Did some searching and I don't think so. Seems they have the same voting
rights as jewish israelis, but there are 18% arab israelis and 82% jewish
israelis so ...

There are 6 arab parties and 3 mixed jewish-arab parties in the current
Knesset.


What, no party for Arafat?