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On 11/29/2011 9:56 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:14:10 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:35:14 -0700, wrote: Funny, while I agree being black in a dysfunctional culture is more likely for welfare, plenty of white trash are too. None racist, kick them all off and replace it with drug tests and workfare. Can't show up, then no welfare. No more free lay on your back making babies for government money. we should be giving drug tests to hedgefund managers. they take much more of our money and are more dangerous than some punk would ever be I agree with that post. Anyone using illegal drugs should suffer the threat of losing a job. Perhaps that would lower demand somewhat. What can you threaten the many unemployed drug users with? -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
You have to feel sorry for entrepreneurs...
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:57:32 -0800, jps wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:51:25 -0800 (PST), "*e#c" wrote: On Nov 27, 1:51*pm, John H wrote: ....like Larmondo 'Flair' Allen: http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...trepreneur.jpg It seems that every couple of days New Orleans loses one of its treasured ENTREPRENEURS. Lets get the players straight before we go on with this. interpretation of data not verified but... LARMONDO "FLAIR" ALLEN His Companion: Kawanner Armstrong His Sons : Christian Allen Kwan Allen Larmondo Allen, Jr. His Daughters: Deidra Allen Larmenshell Allen Lamonshea Allen Larmomdriel Allen Larmerja Allen Korevell Allen AT AGE 25 - He had 9 Children. (Could Kawanner Armstrong Possibly Be The Mother Of All Of His Kids?) His Father: Burnell Thompson His Mother: Esther Allen His Stepfather: Bruce Gordy His Brothers: Burnell Thompson Edgar Thompson Wil Willis Danta Edwards Reshe Edwards Mattnell Allen Burnell Allen Lester Allen His Sisters: Shannail Craig Lekiksha Thompson Gwendolyn Carter Jessica Willis Katina Gordy Grandparents: Delors Allen J.C. Allen Anna Laura Thompson Will Thompson So, lets see now.... His Father, Burnell Thompson, fathered his brothers Burnell, Edgar and his sister Lekiksha. His Stepfather, Bruce Gordy, fathered his Sister Katina. His Mother, Esther Allen, must have been unwed when she gave birth to: Larmondo, Mattnell, Burnell and Lester. We don't know who fathered Wil Willis and Jessica Willis, or Dante and Reshe Edwards. Lets hope sisters Shannail Craig and Gwendolyn Carter are married. GOT THE ABOVE ALL STRAIGHT? NOW, THE REST OF THE STORY He was 25 and had 3 sons and 6 daughters. NINE welfare recipients collecting $950 each..... That equals $8,550 a month !!! Now add Food Stamps, Free medical, Free school lunches, and on and on Do the math... $102,000+ /year. Anyone out there, sittin' on their butt while reading this e-mail, making A HUNDRED GRAND doing nothing? Now that, to me, is a real Entrepreneur. (ALSO, BECAUSE OF THEIR FATHERS DEATH, ALL OF THE KIDS WILL COLLECT SOCIAL SECURITY UNTIL THEY ARE 18) EVEN BETTER...IF "FLAIR'S" THIRTEEN BROTHERS & SISTERS FOLLOWED HIS ENTREPRENEURIAL STRATEGY--THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL $1.3 MILLION PER YEAR BUT WAIT...THERE'S MORE! IF ALL THIRTEEN BROTHERS AND SISTERS CAN DUPLICATE HIS FEAT OF 9 WELFARE STRATEGISTS THAT BREEDS 117 NEW RECIPIENTS COLLECTING $100,000/YR!!...OR AN ADDITIONAL $11,700,000PER YEAR... &THAT'S ONE DAMN FAMILY (And demands 100% of the taxes paid by 1,000 average. taxpayers) And THAT is why this once great country is BANKRUPT!! Flagged as spam As published in any number of white power magazines, preferred news source for ignorant whites who'll believe anything put out that supports their prejudice. I've never seen a 'white power' magazine. Could you describe your collection in a little detail please? Do you pay for them, or just read on the internet. You and Krause - sure are into this racism thing. |
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:03:12 -0500, Drifter wrote:
On 11/29/2011 10:01 AM, John H wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:55:42 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:40:01 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:00:53 -0500, wrote: And you piling on pieces of **** that "will BELIEVE" until proven wrong? Here it is. And you a JustWait Drifter Wayne B. === I found the same obit from Feb 8, 2004: "Father Of Larmondo, Jr., Christian, Kwan, Deidra, Larmonshell, Larmonshea, Larmomdriel, Larmonja, Darriell And Koreyell.' I count 10 children. Where is the error? Is there possiblly a very legitmate question of responsibility when a 25 y/o fathers 10 children? http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...&GRid=47809085 Different question. Is there any legitimate responsibility involved in the birth of what is likely 10 illegitimate children? Does it take two to tango? Personally, I don't find any problem with sterilizing people with this obviously absolute lack of social responsibility. However, there is no court in the land that would agree with me. Wow, talk about a racist post! Racist? From DePlume? Are you kidding? Well, she's the one talking about sterilizing blacks. |
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On 11/29/11 1:40 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:57:32 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:51:25 -0800 (PST), "*e#c" wrote: On Nov 27, 1:51 pm, John wrote: ....like Larmondo 'Flair' Allen: http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...trepreneur.jpg It seems that every couple of days New Orleans loses one of its treasured ENTREPRENEURS. Lets get the players straight before we go on with this. interpretation of data not verified but... LARMONDO "FLAIR" ALLEN His Companion: Kawanner Armstrong His Sons : Christian Allen Kwan Allen Larmondo Allen, Jr. His Daughters: Deidra Allen Larmenshell Allen Lamonshea Allen Larmomdriel Allen Larmerja Allen Korevell Allen AT AGE 25 - He had 9 Children. (Could Kawanner Armstrong Possibly Be The Mother Of All Of His Kids?) His Father: Burnell Thompson His Mother: Esther Allen His Stepfather: Bruce Gordy His Brothers: Burnell Thompson Edgar Thompson Wil Willis Danta Edwards Reshe Edwards Mattnell Allen Burnell Allen Lester Allen His Sisters: Shannail Craig Lekiksha Thompson Gwendolyn Carter Jessica Willis Katina Gordy Grandparents: Delors Allen J.C. Allen Anna Laura Thompson Will Thompson So, lets see now.... His Father, Burnell Thompson, fathered his brothers Burnell, Edgar and his sister Lekiksha. His Stepfather, Bruce Gordy, fathered his Sister Katina. His Mother, Esther Allen, must have been unwed when she gave birth to: Larmondo, Mattnell, Burnell and Lester. We don't know who fathered Wil Willis and Jessica Willis, or Dante and Reshe Edwards. Lets hope sisters Shannail Craig and Gwendolyn Carter are married. GOT THE ABOVE ALL STRAIGHT? NOW, THE REST OF THE STORY He was 25 and had 3 sons and 6 daughters. NINE welfare recipients collecting $950 each..... That equals $8,550 a month !!! Now add Food Stamps, Free medical, Free school lunches, and on and on Do the math... $102,000+ /year. Anyone out there, sittin' on their butt while reading this e-mail, making A HUNDRED GRAND doing nothing? Now that, to me, is a real Entrepreneur. (ALSO, BECAUSE OF THEIR FATHERS DEATH, ALL OF THE KIDS WILL COLLECT SOCIAL SECURITY UNTIL THEY ARE 18) EVEN BETTER...IF "FLAIR'S" THIRTEEN BROTHERS& SISTERS FOLLOWED HIS ENTREPRENEURIAL STRATEGY--THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL $1.3 MILLION PER YEAR BUT WAIT...THERE'S MORE! IF ALL THIRTEEN BROTHERS AND SISTERS CAN DUPLICATE HIS FEAT OF 9 WELFARE STRATEGISTS THAT BREEDS 117 NEW RECIPIENTS COLLECTING $100,000/YR!!...OR AN ADDITIONAL $11,700,000PER YEAR... &THAT'S ONE DAMN FAMILY (And demands 100% of the taxes paid by 1,000 average. taxpayers) And THAT is why this once great country is BANKRUPT!! Flagged as spam As published in any number of white power magazines, preferred news source for ignorant whites who'll believe anything put out that supports their prejudice. I've never seen a 'white power' magazine. Could you describe your collection in a little detail please? Do you pay for them, or just read on the internet. You and Krause - sure are into this racism thing. We know a hate-fulled racist when we see one...and that one is...you. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug |
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:46:20 -0500, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/29/11 1:40 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:57:32 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:51:25 -0800 (PST), "*e#c" wrote: On Nov 27, 1:51 pm, John wrote: ....like Larmondo 'Flair' Allen: http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...trepreneur.jpg It seems that every couple of days New Orleans loses one of its treasured ENTREPRENEURS. Lets get the players straight before we go on with this. interpretation of data not verified but... LARMONDO "FLAIR" ALLEN His Companion: Kawanner Armstrong His Sons : Christian Allen Kwan Allen Larmondo Allen, Jr. His Daughters: Deidra Allen Larmenshell Allen Lamonshea Allen Larmomdriel Allen Larmerja Allen Korevell Allen AT AGE 25 - He had 9 Children. (Could Kawanner Armstrong Possibly Be The Mother Of All Of His Kids?) His Father: Burnell Thompson His Mother: Esther Allen His Stepfather: Bruce Gordy His Brothers: Burnell Thompson Edgar Thompson Wil Willis Danta Edwards Reshe Edwards Mattnell Allen Burnell Allen Lester Allen His Sisters: Shannail Craig Lekiksha Thompson Gwendolyn Carter Jessica Willis Katina Gordy Grandparents: Delors Allen J.C. Allen Anna Laura Thompson Will Thompson So, lets see now.... His Father, Burnell Thompson, fathered his brothers Burnell, Edgar and his sister Lekiksha. His Stepfather, Bruce Gordy, fathered his Sister Katina. His Mother, Esther Allen, must have been unwed when she gave birth to: Larmondo, Mattnell, Burnell and Lester. We don't know who fathered Wil Willis and Jessica Willis, or Dante and Reshe Edwards. Lets hope sisters Shannail Craig and Gwendolyn Carter are married. GOT THE ABOVE ALL STRAIGHT? NOW, THE REST OF THE STORY He was 25 and had 3 sons and 6 daughters. NINE welfare recipients collecting $950 each..... That equals $8,550 a month !!! Now add Food Stamps, Free medical, Free school lunches, and on and on Do the math... $102,000+ /year. Anyone out there, sittin' on their butt while reading this e-mail, making A HUNDRED GRAND doing nothing? Now that, to me, is a real Entrepreneur. (ALSO, BECAUSE OF THEIR FATHERS DEATH, ALL OF THE KIDS WILL COLLECT SOCIAL SECURITY UNTIL THEY ARE 18) EVEN BETTER...IF "FLAIR'S" THIRTEEN BROTHERS& SISTERS FOLLOWED HIS ENTREPRENEURIAL STRATEGY--THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL $1.3 MILLION PER YEAR BUT WAIT...THERE'S MORE! IF ALL THIRTEEN BROTHERS AND SISTERS CAN DUPLICATE HIS FEAT OF 9 WELFARE STRATEGISTS THAT BREEDS 117 NEW RECIPIENTS COLLECTING $100,000/YR!!...OR AN ADDITIONAL $11,700,000PER YEAR... &THAT'S ONE DAMN FAMILY (And demands 100% of the taxes paid by 1,000 average. taxpayers) And THAT is why this once great country is BANKRUPT!! Flagged as spam As published in any number of white power magazines, preferred news source for ignorant whites who'll believe anything put out that supports their prejudice. I've never seen a 'white power' magazine. Could you describe your collection in a little detail please? Do you pay for them, or just read on the internet. You and Krause - sure are into this racism thing. We know a hate-fulled racist when we see one...and that one is...you. Both y'all - projecting again. Keep at it if it makes you feel better. Is that a symptom of narcissism, Harry? Gosh, you guys just keep reposting the same message. I guess you're finally getting the point. |
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On 11/29/11 2:27 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:16:20 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:46:20 -0500, X ` Man wrote: So how long have you been subscribing to that ****. It didn't look very safe, but the title probably rings your chimes. Be careful. Could be some bad virus stuff there! Scratch around all you want, Herring. There's no doubt you're a racist p.o.s. |
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On 11/29/11 4:04 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:15:45 -0500, X ` wrote: On 11/29/11 2:27 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:16:20 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:46:20 -0500, X ` Man wrote: So how long have you been subscribing to that ****. It didn't look very safe, but the title probably rings your chimes. Be careful. Could be some bad virus stuff there! Scratch around all you want, Herring. There's no doubt you're a racist p.o.s. Gosh, Harry, being called a name by the likes of you is almost an honor. Talk to ya next year. Hold your breath! As if I give a tinker's dam about what you think or feel. You're a dirtbag. I feel sorry for your family, which seems nice. Must be your wife's influence. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug |
You have to feel sorry for entrepreneurs...
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:15:45 -0500, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/29/11 2:27 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:16:20 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:46:20 -0500, X ` Man wrote: So how long have you been subscribing to that ****. It didn't look very safe, but the title probably rings your chimes. Be careful. Could be some bad virus stuff there! Scratch around all you want, Herring. There's no doubt you're a racist p.o.s. Gosh, Harry, being called a name by the likes of you is almost an honor. Talk to ya next year. Hold your breath! |
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On 11/29/2011 3:15 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/29/11 2:27 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:16:20 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:46:20 -0500, X ` Man wrote: So how long have you been subscribing to that ****. It didn't look very safe, but the title probably rings your chimes. Be careful. Could be some bad virus stuff there! Scratch around all you want, Herring. There's no doubt you're a racist p.o.s. We know that this season makes you sad, and grouchier than usual. But, denigrating others won't improve your standing among your peers or even positively affect your low self esteem. Don't let your hatred of Herring cause you any more grief. Get over it -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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On 11/29/2011 4:03 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/29/11 4:04 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:15:45 -0500, X ` wrote: On 11/29/11 2:27 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:16:20 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:46:20 -0500, X ` Man wrote: So how long have you been subscribing to that ****. It didn't look very safe, but the title probably rings your chimes. Be careful. Could be some bad virus stuff there! Scratch around all you want, Herring. There's no doubt you're a racist p.o.s. Gosh, Harry, being called a name by the likes of you is almost an honor. Talk to ya next year. Hold your breath! As if I give a tinker's dam about what you think or feel. You're a dirtbag. I feel sorry for your family, which seems nice. Must be your wife's influence. Get a handle on that negativity and sour disposition. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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On 11/29/2011 1:42 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:03:12 -0500, wrote: On 11/29/2011 10:01 AM, John H wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:55:42 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:40:01 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:00:53 -0500, wrote: And you piling on pieces of **** that "will BELIEVE" until proven wrong? Here it is. And you a JustWait Drifter Wayne B. === I found the same obit from Feb 8, 2004: "Father Of Larmondo, Jr., Christian, Kwan, Deidra, Larmonshell, Larmonshea, Larmomdriel, Larmonja, Darriell And Koreyell.' I count 10 children. Where is the error? Is there possiblly a very legitmate question of responsibility when a 25 y/o fathers 10 children? http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...&GRid=47809085 Different question. Is there any legitimate responsibility involved in the birth of what is likely 10 illegitimate children? Does it take two to tango? Personally, I don't find any problem with sterilizing people with this obviously absolute lack of social responsibility. However, there is no court in the land that would agree with me. Wow, talk about a racist post! Racist? From DePlume? Are you kidding? Well, she's the one talking about sterilizing blacks. Surprising! Wasn't long ago she was singing Obama's praises and apologizing for his lack of presidential leadership. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:46:42 -0500, Drifter wrote:
On 11/29/2011 1:42 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:03:12 -0500, wrote: On 11/29/2011 10:01 AM, John H wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:55:42 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:40:01 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:00:53 -0500, wrote: And you piling on pieces of **** that "will BELIEVE" until proven wrong? Here it is. And you a JustWait Drifter Wayne B. === I found the same obit from Feb 8, 2004: "Father Of Larmondo, Jr., Christian, Kwan, Deidra, Larmonshell, Larmonshea, Larmomdriel, Larmonja, Darriell And Koreyell.' I count 10 children. Where is the error? Is there possiblly a very legitmate question of responsibility when a 25 y/o fathers 10 children? http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...&GRid=47809085 Different question. Is there any legitimate responsibility involved in the birth of what is likely 10 illegitimate children? Does it take two to tango? Personally, I don't find any problem with sterilizing people with this obviously absolute lack of social responsibility. However, there is no court in the land that would agree with me. Wow, talk about a racist post! Racist? From DePlume? Are you kidding? Well, she's the one talking about sterilizing blacks. Surprising! Wasn't long ago she was singing Obama's praises and apologizing for his lack of presidential leadership. I'm surprised Krause hasn't jumped all over her for her racist ****. And, you're right...with regard to all his hatred, he needs to cry a river, build a bridge, and get over it. |
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"Drifter" wrote in message
b.com... On 11/29/2011 9:56 AM, John H wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:14:10 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:35:14 -0700, wrote: Funny, while I agree being black in a dysfunctional culture is more likely for welfare, plenty of white trash are too. None racist, kick them all off and replace it with drug tests and workfare. Can't show up, then no welfare. No more free lay on your back making babies for government money. we should be giving drug tests to hedgefund managers. they take much more of our money and are more dangerous than some punk would ever be I agree with that post. Anyone using illegal drugs should suffer the threat of losing a job. Perhaps that would lower demand somewhat. What can you threaten the many unemployed drug users with? -- 1-20-13 The end of an error ------------------------------------ loss of welfare payments. |
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:43:31 -0800, "Califbill" wrote:
"Drifter" wrote in message eb.com... On 11/29/2011 9:56 AM, John H wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:14:10 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:35:14 -0700, wrote: Funny, while I agree being black in a dysfunctional culture is more likely for welfare, plenty of white trash are too. None racist, kick them all off and replace it with drug tests and workfare. Can't show up, then no welfare. No more free lay on your back making babies for government money. we should be giving drug tests to hedgefund managers. they take much more of our money and are more dangerous than some punk would ever be I agree with that post. Anyone using illegal drugs should suffer the threat of losing a job. Perhaps that would lower demand somewhat. What can you threaten the many unemployed drug users with? And they should be taking drug tests also. |
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:43:31 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote: What can you threaten the many unemployed drug users with? === If they consent to being sent off to an island somewhere, we should give them all the free drugs they want. If they don't consent, jail. Is it constitutional, ethical or practical? Don't know. Is there an island big enough? Don't know that either. Maybe we could annex the city of Detroit and build a wall around it. Just about everyone left there is using drugs anyway. Someone just came out with a study that shows that the crime rate in an area drops when the price of cocaine drops. If the price dropped to zero, would drug crime go to zero also? Interesting experiment. Maybe we should pick a city like Detroit and do a test. Some people would move there on their own, wouldn't have to be sent. Some European countries do something similar with a registered addict program. We need some creative thinking about the drug issue because what we're doing now certainly isn't working. |
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On 11/30/11 2:02 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:43:31 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: What can you threaten the many unemployed drug users with? === If they consent to being sent off to an island somewhere, we should give them all the free drugs they want. If they don't consent, jail. Good solution for the corporation execs, banks, and wall street whores who have robbed this country of its future. You could ferry them to the island. Herring could prepare their meals. iSnotty could be Nick Nack, the dwarf manservant. |
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:15:03 -0500, X ` Man
wrote: On 11/30/11 2:02 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:43:31 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: What can you threaten the many unemployed drug users with? === If they consent to being sent off to an island somewhere, we should give them all the free drugs they want. If they don't consent, jail. Good solution for the corporation execs === Too bad you never achieved any success in the corporate world Harry. Maybe you should have worked a little harder and chucked some of your personality issues? |
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:56:59 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:15:03 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 11/30/11 2:02 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:43:31 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: What can you threaten the many unemployed drug users with? === If they consent to being sent off to an island somewhere, we should give them all the free drugs they want. If they don't consent, jail. Good solution for the corporation execs === Too bad you never achieved any success in the corporate world Harry. Maybe you should have worked a little harder and chucked some of your personality issues? "the corporate world" is a world most of the participants can't wait to escape. What happens there has little to do with business and lots to do with manipulation, maneuvering, keeping one's head below the horizon and getting out with something to speak of. Entrepreneurship is where people with balls, perseverance and the will to succeed end up. |
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On 11/30/11 10:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:15:03 -0500, X ` wrote: On 11/30/11 2:02 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:43:31 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: What can you threaten the many unemployed drug users with? === If they consent to being sent off to an island somewhere, we should give them all the free drugs they want. If they don't consent, jail. Good solution for the corporation execs === c Too bad you never achieved any success in the corporate world Harry. Maybe you should have worked a little harder and chucked some of your personality issues? D'oh. I was a "successful" employee at several corporations, whine. About halfway through my career days, after more than a decade of dealing with corporate pukes like you, I decided to give up the security blanket of "corporate life" and strike out on my own. I guess you never had the balls to do that, eh? And you're still a herd animal. http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug |
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On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:10:01 -0800, jps wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:56:59 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:15:03 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 11/30/11 2:02 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:43:31 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: What can you threaten the many unemployed drug users with? === If they consent to being sent off to an island somewhere, we should give them all the free drugs they want. If they don't consent, jail. Good solution for the corporation execs === Too bad you never achieved any success in the corporate world Harry. Maybe you should have worked a little harder and chucked some of your personality issues? "the corporate world" is a world most of the participants can't wait to escape. What happens there has little to do with business and lots to do with manipulation, maneuvering, keeping one's head below the horizon and getting out with something to speak of. Entrepreneurship is where people with balls, perseverance and the will to succeed end up. Sounds like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, and a whole slew of other entrepreneurs. |
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On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:10:01 -0800, jps wrote:
If they consent to being sent off to an island somewhere, we should give them all the free drugs they want. If they don't consent, jail. Good solution for the corporation execs === Too bad you never achieved any success in the corporate world Harry. Maybe you should have worked a little harder and chucked some of your personality issues? "the corporate world" is a world most of the participants can't wait to escape. What happens there has little to do with business and lots to do with manipulation, maneuvering, keeping one's head below the horizon and getting out with something to speak of. Entrepreneurship is where people with balls, perseverance and the will to succeed end up. === No problem here with entrepreneurship. If you succeed at it you become a corporate exec. Some of the very best corporations in this country are managed as a collection of smaller entrepreneurships. |
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On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 06:15:27 -0500, X ` Man
wrote: I was a "successful" employee at several corporations ======== If you had been successful you'd be collecting a pension now. |
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On 12/1/11 8:35 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 06:15:27 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I was a "successful" employee at several corporations ======== If you had been successful you'd be collecting a pension now. Hehehe. Poor w'hine. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug |
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On 12/1/11 8:35 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 06:15:27 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I was a "successful" employee at several corporations ======== If you had been successful you'd be collecting a pension now. Actually, W'hine, that's not necessarily true for many people. There's no shortage of successful corporate employees who were screwed by the corporations for which they worked and no shortage of successful corporate employees who were screwed out of their pensions by the corporations for which they worked. Here's an example: Chesley Sullenberger Sully's pay was cut by his corporate employer, and he lost more than half his corporate pension benefits. Name not familar? Sullenberger rose to fame when he successfully ditched US Airways Flight 1549 in the Hudson River off Manhattan, New York City, on January 15, 2009, saving the lives of all 155 people on the aircraft. Sully has spoken publicly about how corporate employees in the airline industry have been screwed out of pay, benefits, and pensions. |
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On 12/1/11 8:56 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/1/11 8:35 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 06:15:27 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I was a "successful" employee at several corporations ======== If you had been successful you'd be collecting a pension now. Actually, W'hine, that's not necessarily true for many people. There's no shortage of successful corporate employees who were screwed by the corporations for which they worked and no shortage of successful corporate employees who were screwed out of their pensions by the corporations for which they worked. Here's an example: Chesley Sullenberger Sully's pay was cut by his corporate employer, and he lost more than half his corporate pension benefits. Name not familar? Sullenberger rose to fame when he successfully ditched US Airways Flight 1549 in the Hudson River off Manhattan, New York City, on January 15, 2009, saving the lives of all 155 people on the aircraft. Sully has spoken publicly about how corporate employees in the airline industry have been screwed out of pay, benefits, and pensions. Here you go, w'hine...corporate management at its best: American Airlines workers face pension plight Photo Wed, Nov 30 2011 By Jilian Mincer NEW YORK (Reuters) - Millions of Americans remember US Airways pilot Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenberger III. In 2009, he became an instant hero for saving 155 lives by landing on New York City's Hudson River when his aircraft lost power after it was struck by birds shortly after taking off. But few know that - like thousands of other airline employees - Sullenberger was struggling financially at the time because two US Airways bankruptcies had derailed his pension and slashed his salary 40 percent. "We had saved some money, but not enough to make up for everything we were losing," says Sullenberger, who has since become a successful author, consultant and volunteer. His fellow pilots were mostly in their late 40s or 50s, he says. "We didn't have a lot of time to regain what we had lost." Soon, roughly 130,000 workers - along with retirees - at American Airlines and parent AMR Corp could face similar difficulties. On Tuesday, American became the last major domestic airline to file for bankruptcy protection. The airline has not announced yet whether it plans to unload its pension, but the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp estimated on Tuesday that its four plans are $10 billion underfunded. American Airlines spokesman Tim Smith says a Chapter 11 reorganization "does not necessarily mean that" a company will terminate its four plans, which collectively have about $8.3 billion in assets, according to the PBGC. "American's pension and retiree medical plans are very expensive. The company spends more on them than our competitors," he says. "These costs and many other factors are considerations when deciding to continue these benefits." Other airlines, including United, Delta Air Lines Inc and US Airways Group Inc, abandoned their pensions in recent years when filing for bankruptcy, costing the PBGC more than $11 billion. "It's too soon to say what American will do," says Marc Hopkins, a spokesman for the agency. But the PBGC estimates employees and retirees could lose $1 billion in pension benefits if it has to take over the plans. That is because annual benefits are capped if the agency assumes responsibility for a pension plan. The limit is $54,000 for employees whose companies drop their plans in 2011. While that is enough to cover most benefit payments, more than 20 percent of airline workers were affected by the cap in the past, according to a 2008 PBGC study of 17 airline plans between 1990 and 2005. Bob Coffman, an American captain who is also chairman of Allied Pilots Association's government affairs committee, says the union and airline are still negotiating future benefits. Most experts agree that employees will likely receive only self-funded 401(k) benefits, which are different from company sponsored pension benefits. Until now, American employees have had a 401(k) option, as well as the pension plan and a second defined contribution plan, which was funded by the plan company. Employees were notified on Tuesday that future retirees can no longer get a lump sum distribution because the plan is now underfunded. However, those who retired this fall -- including more than 300 pilots -- could still receive their lump-sum pension distributions. That is a relief for American Airlines Captain Rod Carlone, 61, who retired sooner than he planned in October, primarily because he wanted a lump-sum payout. The typical distribution for a captain with about 30 years experience is about $1 million, according to Allied Pilots Association. "I look like a genius now," says Carlone, who lives in Las Vegas, Nevada. But for him the decision to retire was simpler than it might be for colleagues paying for college or not old enough to leave the workforce. "A lot of guys have to be hurting really bad," Carlone says of some of his colleagues. Captain Joel Jeppson made a similar decision. The 61-year-old retired on October 1 after 33 years with American. "It was tough to walk away," says Jeppson, who lives near Dallas, Texas. "I was going to fly until at least 62 and maybe slow down then. I'm in great health and I love the job." Jeppson, who is still waiting for his lump sum distribution check to arrive, says he is fretting about the status of former colleagues. "I've got several friends that selected to stick around and I'm sure they're not feeling too good about it. I'm more worried about what the bankruptcy courts decide for the people who are already retired," he says. Coffman, who has been with American for 23 years, knows his benefits will change, but at age 53, he has more time than older colleagues to save for retirement. While the bankruptcy is tragic, the company has been struggling and this could help American rebuild, he says. Coffman compares the situation to the training pilots receive about handling an engine fire. Pilots are taught to anticipate a problem but cannot act on it until it occurs. "To an extent, this is a very similar," says Coffman, who is based in Miami. "There is no longer anxiety about whether the company will enter Chapter 11. Now we have a path, rather than worrying about decision." American's bankruptcy filing was sad news, says Sullenberger, who can relate to what is happening. A day before the fateful 2009 flight, Sullenberger talked with his wife about selling their home to save money. He planned to fly until he was at least 65 -- the mandatory retirement age -- and then get another job to make up for his pension and income loss. "You can imagine how hard that would be at 65 for someone who had worked a professional career as a pilot," Sullenberger says. "Where would you go? What would you do? Tens of thousands are facing this, and not just in the airline industry." -- Nothing like giving your life to a corporation that, in the ends, screws you, eh, w'hine? |
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says... On 11/30/11 10:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:15:03 -0500, X ` wrote: On 11/30/11 2:02 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:43:31 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: What can you threaten the many unemployed drug users with? === If they consent to being sent off to an island somewhere, we should give them all the free drugs they want. If they don't consent, jail. Good solution for the corporation execs === c Too bad you never achieved any success in the corporate world Harry. Maybe you should have worked a little harder and chucked some of your personality issues? D'oh. I was a "successful" employee at several corporations, whine. About halfway through my career days, after more than a decade of dealing with corporate pukes like you, I decided to give up the security blanket of "corporate life" and strike out on my own. I guess you never had the balls to do that, eh? And you're still a herd animal. http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug HK&A was founded when??? |
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On 12/1/2011 6:15 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/30/11 10:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:15:03 -0500, X ` wrote: On 11/30/11 2:02 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:43:31 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: What can you threaten the many unemployed drug users with? === If they consent to being sent off to an island somewhere, we should give them all the free drugs they want. If they don't consent, jail. Good solution for the corporation execs === c Too bad you never achieved any success in the corporate world Harry. Maybe you should have worked a little harder and chucked some of your personality issues? D'oh. I was a "successful" employee at several corporations, whine. About halfway through my career days, after more than a decade of dealing with corporate pukes like you, I decided to give up the security blanket of "corporate life" and strike out on my own. I guess you never had the balls to do that, eh? And you're still a herd animal. http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug 10 years, several jobs, successful? Wah HA HA! -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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On 12/1/2011 9:01 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/1/11 8:56 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 12/1/11 8:35 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 06:15:27 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I was a "successful" employee at several corporations ======== If you had been successful you'd be collecting a pension now. Actually, W'hine, that's not necessarily true for many people. There's no shortage of successful corporate employees who were screwed by the corporations for which they worked and no shortage of successful corporate employees who were screwed out of their pensions by the corporations for which they worked. Here's an example: Chesley Sullenberger Sully's pay was cut by his corporate employer, and he lost more than half his corporate pension benefits. Name not familar? Sullenberger rose to fame when he successfully ditched US Airways Flight 1549 in the Hudson River off Manhattan, New York City, on January 15, 2009, saving the lives of all 155 people on the aircraft. Sully has spoken publicly about how corporate employees in the airline industry have been screwed out of pay, benefits, and pensions. Here you go, w'hine...corporate management at its best: American Airlines workers face pension plight Photo Wed, Nov 30 2011 By Jilian Mincer NEW YORK (Reuters) - Millions of Americans remember US Airways pilot Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenberger III. In 2009, he became an instant hero for saving 155 lives by landing on New York City's Hudson River when his aircraft lost power after it was struck by birds shortly after taking off. But few know that - like thousands of other airline employees - Sullenberger was struggling financially at the time because two US Airways bankruptcies had derailed his pension and slashed his salary 40 percent. "We had saved some money, but not enough to make up for everything we were losing," says Sullenberger, who has since become a successful author, consultant and volunteer. His fellow pilots were mostly in their late 40s or 50s, he says. "We didn't have a lot of time to regain what we had lost." Soon, roughly 130,000 workers - along with retirees - at American Airlines and parent AMR Corp could face similar difficulties. On Tuesday, American became the last major domestic airline to file for bankruptcy protection. The airline has not announced yet whether it plans to unload its pension, but the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp estimated on Tuesday that its four plans are $10 billion underfunded. American Airlines spokesman Tim Smith says a Chapter 11 reorganization "does not necessarily mean that" a company will terminate its four plans, which collectively have about $8.3 billion in assets, according to the PBGC. "American's pension and retiree medical plans are very expensive. The company spends more on them than our competitors," he says. "These costs and many other factors are considerations when deciding to continue these benefits." Other airlines, including United, Delta Air Lines Inc and US Airways Group Inc, abandoned their pensions in recent years when filing for bankruptcy, costing the PBGC more than $11 billion. "It's too soon to say what American will do," says Marc Hopkins, a spokesman for the agency. But the PBGC estimates employees and retirees could lose $1 billion in pension benefits if it has to take over the plans. That is because annual benefits are capped if the agency assumes responsibility for a pension plan. The limit is $54,000 for employees whose companies drop their plans in 2011. While that is enough to cover most benefit payments, more than 20 percent of airline workers were affected by the cap in the past, according to a 2008 PBGC study of 17 airline plans between 1990 and 2005. Bob Coffman, an American captain who is also chairman of Allied Pilots Association's government affairs committee, says the union and airline are still negotiating future benefits. Most experts agree that employees will likely receive only self-funded 401(k) benefits, which are different from company sponsored pension benefits. Until now, American employees have had a 401(k) option, as well as the pension plan and a second defined contribution plan, which was funded by the plan company. Employees were notified on Tuesday that future retirees can no longer get a lump sum distribution because the plan is now underfunded. However, those who retired this fall -- including more than 300 pilots -- could still receive their lump-sum pension distributions. That is a relief for American Airlines Captain Rod Carlone, 61, who retired sooner than he planned in October, primarily because he wanted a lump-sum payout. The typical distribution for a captain with about 30 years experience is about $1 million, according to Allied Pilots Association. "I look like a genius now," says Carlone, who lives in Las Vegas, Nevada. But for him the decision to retire was simpler than it might be for colleagues paying for college or not old enough to leave the workforce. "A lot of guys have to be hurting really bad," Carlone says of some of his colleagues. Captain Joel Jeppson made a similar decision. The 61-year-old retired on October 1 after 33 years with American. "It was tough to walk away," says Jeppson, who lives near Dallas, Texas. "I was going to fly until at least 62 and maybe slow down then. I'm in great health and I love the job." Jeppson, who is still waiting for his lump sum distribution check to arrive, says he is fretting about the status of former colleagues. "I've got several friends that selected to stick around and I'm sure they're not feeling too good about it. I'm more worried about what the bankruptcy courts decide for the people who are already retired," he says. Coffman, who has been with American for 23 years, knows his benefits will change, but at age 53, he has more time than older colleagues to save for retirement. While the bankruptcy is tragic, the company has been struggling and this could help American rebuild, he says. Coffman compares the situation to the training pilots receive about handling an engine fire. Pilots are taught to anticipate a problem but cannot act on it until it occurs. "To an extent, this is a very similar," says Coffman, who is based in Miami. "There is no longer anxiety about whether the company will enter Chapter 11. Now we have a path, rather than worrying about decision." American's bankruptcy filing was sad news, says Sullenberger, who can relate to what is happening. A day before the fateful 2009 flight, Sullenberger talked with his wife about selling their home to save money. He planned to fly until he was at least 65 -- the mandatory retirement age -- and then get another job to make up for his pension and income loss. "You can imagine how hard that would be at 65 for someone who had worked a professional career as a pilot," Sullenberger says. "Where would you go? What would you do? Tens of thousands are facing this, and not just in the airline industry." I have a friend on a Delta pension. He's not complaining. Also flies free world wide. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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On 12/1/2011 7:57 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:10:01 -0800, wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:56:59 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:15:03 -0500, X ` wrote: On 11/30/11 2:02 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:43:31 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: What can you threaten the many unemployed drug users with? === If they consent to being sent off to an island somewhere, we should give them all the free drugs they want. If they don't consent, jail. Good solution for the corporation execs === Too bad you never achieved any success in the corporate world Harry. Maybe you should have worked a little harder and chucked some of your personality issues? "the corporate world" is a world most of the participants can't wait to escape. What happens there has little to do with business and lots to do with manipulation, maneuvering, keeping one's head below the horizon and getting out with something to speak of. Entrepreneurship is where people with balls, perseverance and the will to succeed end up. Sounds like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, and a whole slew of other entrepreneurs. No matter how hard Krause tries to puff himself up, there's always someone waiting to put a pin in his bubble. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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On 12/1/2011 8:23 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:10:01 -0800, wrote: If they consent to being sent off to an island somewhere, we should give them all the free drugs they want. If they don't consent, jail. Good solution for the corporation execs === Too bad you never achieved any success in the corporate world Harry. Maybe you should have worked a little harder and chucked some of your personality issues? "the corporate world" is a world most of the participants can't wait to escape. What happens there has little to do with business and lots to do with manipulation, maneuvering, keeping one's head below the horizon and getting out with something to speak of. Entrepreneurship is where people with balls, perseverance and the will to succeed end up. === No problem here with entrepreneurship. If you succeed at it you become a corporate exec. Some of the very best corporations in this country are managed as a collection of smaller entrepreneurships. Harry has a 1/3 share in a small roadside strip mall in New Haven Ct.. Does that count? -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 10:38:13 -0500, Drifter wrote:
Harry has a 1/3 share in a small roadside strip mall in New Haven Ct.. Does that count? === He also has a corporation in Florida, no doubt used for nefarious purposes. It is almost certainly the only corporation that he approves of, and the only one where he was/is successful, although it's possible that Ms. Grear will fire him some day. http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Jacksonville/harry-krause-associates-inc-6236052.aspx |
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On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 10:32:39 -0500, Drifter wrote:
"You can imagine how hard that would be at 65 for someone who had worked a professional career as a pilot," Sullenberger says. "Where would you go? What would you do? Tens of thousands are facing this, and not just in the airline industry." All airline pilots are required to retire on the day they turn 60. I have a friend on a Delta pension. He's not complaining. Also flies free world wide. I have a friend who flew for American for many years. He is now sailing the world on his 42 ft sailboat. Everyone is responsible for ensuring an adequate retirement income, and that includes picking a good horse to ride and not putting all of your eggs into one basket. |
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On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 06:15:27 -0500, X ` Man
wrote: I was a "successful" employee at several corporations, whine. About halfway through my career days, after more than a decade of dealing with corporate pukes like you === You never dealt with me. I would have fired your sorry ass in a heart beat. Dysfunctional personalities are a rotten apple in the barrel. |
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On 12/1/11 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 10:38:13 -0500, wrote: Harry has a 1/3 share in a small roadside strip mall in New Haven Ct.. Does that count? === He also has a corporation in Florida, no doubt used for nefarious purposes. It is almost certainly the only corporation that he approves of, and the only one where he was/is successful, although it's possible that Ms. Grear will fire him some day. http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Jacksonville/harry-krause-associates-inc-6236052.aspx Sorry, W'hine...no active corporation in Florida. But you've been told that before. Our partnership's "small roadside strip mall" has more than 20 but less than 40 stores, all but one leased and occupied at the moment, and there is interest in the vacancy. The mall is *not* in "New Haven, CT." It does well because it is in a great location, has many unusual stores, and is aggressively maintained, managed, and marketed. It's always fun when the newsgroup morons reach the wrong conclusions and perpetuate the evidence of their stupidity. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug |
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On 12/1/11 1:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 06:15:27 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I was a "successful" employee at several corporations, whine. About halfway through my career days, after more than a decade of dealing with corporate pukes like you === You never dealt with me. I would have fired your sorry ass in a heart beat. Dysfunctional personalities are a rotten apple in the barrel. I wouldn't have been working for a puke like you, w'hine, but...you might have been working for me. In the mail room. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug |
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You have to feel sorry for entrepreneurs...
On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:42:05 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 06:15:27 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I was a "successful" employee at several corporations, whine. About halfway through my career days, after more than a decade of dealing with corporate pukes like you === You never dealt with me. I would have fired your sorry ass in a heart beat. Dysfunctional personalities are a rotten apple in the barrel. I can't understand all the whining about corporations from Harry, a self-proclaimed 'success' at several corporations. Given how wonderful he's turned out, after all that corporate experience, from whence comes all the ****in' and moanin'? |
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