Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

....he is dumber than Bachmann.

Oct. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Rick Perry, whose performance in a series of
Republican presidential debates has corresponded with a steep decline in
his support in polls, plans to limit participation in future face-offs
ahead of early state nominating contests.

The concession by the Texas governor, confirmed by an aide in an e-mail
to Bloomberg News today, could benefit former Massachusetts Governor
Mitt Romney, who has taken a lead over his rivals for the Republican
nomination in the states slated to hold the first four caucuses and
primaries in January.

"I think reality has hit him in the face," said Victoria M. DeFrancesco
Soto, a visiting scholar in the Department of Government at the
University of Texas in Austin. "I think he has realized his strengths
and weaknesses. He made the political calculation that more debates are
only going to hurt him."

Perry's absence from debate stages could spur criticism that he is being
timid about confronting his rivals. In Texas, Perry had a history of
avoiding some debates with his gubernatorial competitors, DeFrancesco
Soto said.



Read mo
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz1c0hXVAjT

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/27/2011 3:01 PM, X ` Man wrote:
...he is dumber than Bachmann.

Oct. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Rick Perry, whose performance in a series of
Republican presidential debates has corresponded with a steep decline in
his support in polls, plans to limit participation in future face-offs
ahead of early state nominating contests.

The concession by the Texas governor, confirmed by an aide in an e-mail
to Bloomberg News today, could benefit former Massachusetts Governor
Mitt Romney, who has taken a lead over his rivals for the Republican
nomination in the states slated to hold the first four caucuses and
primaries in January.

"I think reality has hit him in the face," said Victoria M. DeFrancesco
Soto, a visiting scholar in the Department of Government at the
University of Texas in Austin. "I think he has realized his strengths
and weaknesses. He made the political calculation that more debates are
only going to hurt him."

Perry's absence from debate stages could spur criticism that he is being
timid about confronting his rivals. In Texas, Perry had a history of
avoiding some debates with his gubernatorial competitors, DeFrancesco
Soto said.



Read mo
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz1c0hXVAjT

Performance is just it! They are performing and seeing who can garner
the most votes with the biggest tales. Let their record and who they
represent speak for them.
The Receiving Class, of government policy and Legislation and taxation
advantage, for the last many years has not been Americans. Most of out
tax dollars go to the Receiving Class of Global Business, Foreign or
Global Banks hostile countries and welfare of their citizens and
subsidizing off shoring American jobs or subsidizing Big Ag and anyone
with a Lobbyist, with a bag of promises and money , our economy and
decimating our Sovereignty.
Time for these Politicians to get religion and decide who their
allegiance is with.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/27/11 3:25 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 10/27/2011 3:01 PM, X ` Man wrote:
...he is dumber than Bachmann.

Oct. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Rick Perry, whose performance in a series of
Republican presidential debates has corresponded with a steep decline in
his support in polls, plans to limit participation in future face-offs
ahead of early state nominating contests.

The concession by the Texas governor, confirmed by an aide in an e-mail
to Bloomberg News today, could benefit former Massachusetts Governor
Mitt Romney, who has taken a lead over his rivals for the Republican
nomination in the states slated to hold the first four caucuses and
primaries in January.

"I think reality has hit him in the face," said Victoria M. DeFrancesco
Soto, a visiting scholar in the Department of Government at the
University of Texas in Austin. "I think he has realized his strengths
and weaknesses. He made the political calculation that more debates are
only going to hurt him."

Perry's absence from debate stages could spur criticism that he is being
timid about confronting his rivals. In Texas, Perry had a history of
avoiding some debates with his gubernatorial competitors, DeFrancesco
Soto said.



Read mo
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz1c0hXVAjT


Performance is just it! They are performing and seeing who can garner
the most votes with the biggest tales. Let their record and who they
represent speak for them.
The Receiving Class, of government policy and Legislation and taxation
advantage, for the last many years has not been Americans. Most of out
tax dollars go to the Receiving Class of Global Business, Foreign or
Global Banks hostile countries and welfare of their citizens and
subsidizing off shoring American jobs or subsidizing Big Ag and anyone
with a Lobbyist, with a bag of promises and money , our economy and
decimating our Sovereignty.
Time for these Politicians to get religion and decide who their
allegiance is with.


Easy...the Republicans have allegiance with the 1%...they've written off
the rest of America.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:25:42 -0400, Lil Abner wrote:

On 10/27/2011 3:01 PM, X ` Man wrote:
...he is dumber than Bachmann.

Oct. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Rick Perry, whose performance in a series of
Republican presidential debates has corresponded with a steep decline in
his support in polls, plans to limit participation in future face-offs
ahead of early state nominating contests.

The concession by the Texas governor, confirmed by an aide in an e-mail
to Bloomberg News today, could benefit former Massachusetts Governor
Mitt Romney, who has taken a lead over his rivals for the Republican
nomination in the states slated to hold the first four caucuses and
primaries in January.

"I think reality has hit him in the face," said Victoria M. DeFrancesco
Soto, a visiting scholar in the Department of Government at the
University of Texas in Austin. "I think he has realized his strengths
and weaknesses. He made the political calculation that more debates are
only going to hurt him."

Perry's absence from debate stages could spur criticism that he is being
timid about confronting his rivals. In Texas, Perry had a history of
avoiding some debates with his gubernatorial competitors, DeFrancesco
Soto said.



Read mo
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz1c0hXVAjT

Performance is just it! They are performing and seeing who can garner
the most votes with the biggest tales. Let their record and who they
represent speak for them.
The Receiving Class, of government policy and Legislation and taxation
advantage, for the last many years has not been Americans. Most of out
tax dollars go to the Receiving Class of Global Business, Foreign or
Global Banks hostile countries and welfare of their citizens and
subsidizing off shoring American jobs or subsidizing Big Ag and anyone
with a Lobbyist, with a bag of promises and money , our economy and
decimating our Sovereignty.
Time for these Politicians to get religion and decide who their
allegiance is with.

Not until campaign finance and lobbying reforms are put in place.

Each and every one of these elected officials owe a debt of gratitude
to those who support their campaigns. The higher the office, the more
money it takes to run.

There was a recent study done where they found that in 95% of the
races studied, money was the single determining factor in who won. Now
that can be spun a number of ways but (the best candidate garnered the
most contributions) we know totals raised by a candidate can be tilted
by those who have a specific agenda that'd be served more effectively
by one candidate over another.

This is the system that every candidate for office has had to deal
with and learn to exploit. Recognizing that humans are change averse,
what's the chances that this group, who also happen to write the laws,
would change the very basis of how their industry operates?

Not enough to make a change.

The answer is in what's happening with OWS. People need to be ****ed
off and demanding an answer to this completely ****ed up system.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/27/11 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:27:50 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Easy...the Republicans have allegiance with the 1%...they've written off
the rest of America.


I think this 1% thing is far oversold. I think the number of people
who think they are actually doing OK is closer to 50-55% (the silent
majority?)

I see a few people here talking about how badly other people are doing
but I don't hear anyone saying they are poor themselves. In fact we
seem to have a bit of a contest going about how well only writer is
doing (yourself included) yet I doubt anyone here is in the top 1%


My point is that the GOP'ers in Congress and the nominee wannabes are
not targeting or proposing anything that will help the middle income
folks. Drill baby drill, castrating environmental laws, lowering taxes
on the rich...that isn't going to lower unemployment.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/27/2011 4:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/27/11 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:27:50 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Easy...the Republicans have allegiance with the 1%...they've written off
the rest of America.


I think this 1% thing is far oversold. I think the number of people
who think they are actually doing OK is closer to 50-55% (the silent
majority?)

I see a few people here talking about how badly other people are doing
but I don't hear anyone saying they are poor themselves. In fact we
seem to have a bit of a contest going about how well only writer is
doing (yourself included) yet I doubt anyone here is in the top 1%


My point is that the GOP'ers in Congress and the nominee wannabes are
not targeting or proposing anything that will help the middle income
folks. Drill baby drill, castrating environmental laws, lowering taxes
on the rich...that isn't going to lower unemployment.
The Drill Baby comment beggars this comment. Increased Domestic
Production is being shipped to Europe and South America to prop up
domestic prices and because the Eruopeans will pay more. South America
will not however pay more? Oil Comapnies have been selling off and
closing Refineries domestically, THAT WERE HUGELY PROFITABLE, and
blaming it on Environmentalist and Government. The real culprit is the
Oil Comapnies cutting refining to choke supply and maintain and increase
the price of Fuels.
They call for increasing, and it is, domestic oil production even more
but we are not seeing and price reduction domestically.
Affordable Energy is a foundation, of American Economy along with food.
Ethanol drives up prices of both and it is costing us an arm and a leg
in subsidies to the Corn Ethanol Lobby. It is driving up the price of
food at every level.
Soe we have higher fuel cost and food cost to satisfy the socialist
agenda which they envision eveybody in sweaters and on bikes or walking
and Big Oil trying to bring back the Seven Sisters and eventually a
Standard OIl.
Who is Washington or what is Washington promoting??

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/27/11 7:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:36:07 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 10/27/11 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:27:50 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Easy...the Republicans have allegiance with the 1%...they've written off
the rest of America.


I think this 1% thing is far oversold. I think the number of people
who think they are actually doing OK is closer to 50-55% (the silent
majority?)

I see a few people here talking about how badly other people are doing
but I don't hear anyone saying they are poor themselves. In fact we
seem to have a bit of a contest going about how well only writer is
doing (yourself included) yet I doubt anyone here is in the top 1%


My point is that the GOP'ers in Congress and the nominee wannabes are
not targeting or proposing anything that will help the middle income
folks. Drill baby drill, castrating environmental laws, lowering taxes
on the rich...that isn't going to lower unemployment.

I am sure the people in North Dakota would disagree. They are having a
jobs boom up there.


Ahh, North Dakota...the oil shale model for the nation, with a total
statewide population of what, 700,000? In a relatively huge area?

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 27/10/2011 1:01 PM, X ` Man wrote:
...he is dumber than Bachmann.

Not really, anyone could run against Zero-bamer and win.

0bama be $6 trillion too expensive bu 2012, big mouth and no action --
just corruption and debt-slavery.
--
The reason government can't fix the economic problems is government is
the problem.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/28/11 4:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 27/10/2011 1:01 PM, X ` Man wrote:
...he is dumber than Bachmann.

Not really

Yeah, really...he is.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 28/10/2011 2:55 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/28/11 4:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 27/10/2011 1:01 PM, X ` Man wrote:
...he is dumber than Bachmann.

Not really

Yeah, really...he is.

Smarter than lamer 0bama.
--
The reason government can't fix the economic problems is government is
the problem.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/28/11 5:02 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 28/10/2011 2:55 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/28/11 4:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 27/10/2011 1:01 PM, X ` Man wrote:
...he is dumber than Bachmann.

Not really

Yeah, really...he is.

Smarter than lamer 0bama.


Oh, yeah...to a mindless fool like you, maybe.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:05 -0400, Lil Abner wrote:

Oil Comapnies have been selling off and
closing Refineries domestically, THAT WERE HUGELY PROFITABLE, and
blaming it on Environmentalist and Government. The real culprit is the
Oil Comapnies cutting refining to choke supply and maintain and increase
the price of Fuels.

====

That's not really true. It has become uneconomical to build and
operate refineries in the US for a variety of reasons. Are you
willing to pay more for your gasoline to have it refined here? Are
you willing to have a refinery in your backyard? No one else is too
eager to have one either. They are lousy neighbors even when they
meet all of the environmental regs.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:06:01 -0400, wrote:

I'm sure the politicians have been watching the poles and they are
aroused

===

No doubt, since there are a lot of good looking Polish women. :-)

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/28/11 7:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:05 -0400, Lil wrote:

Oil Comapnies have been selling off and
closing Refineries domestically, THAT WERE HUGELY PROFITABLE, and
blaming it on Environmentalist and Government. The real culprit is the
Oil Comapnies cutting refining to choke supply and maintain and increase
the price of Fuels.

====

That's not really true. It has become uneconomical to build and
operate refineries in the US for a variety of reasons. Are you
willing to pay more for your gasoline to have it refined here? Are
you willing to have a refinery in your backyard? No one else is too
eager to have one either. They are lousy neighbors even when they
meet all of the environmental regs.



That's our W'hine...always apologizing for corporate crooks.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/28/2011 7:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:05 -0400, Lil wrote:

Oil Comapnies have been selling off and
closing Refineries domestically, THAT WERE HUGELY PROFITABLE, and
blaming it on Environmentalist and Government. The real culprit is the
Oil Comapnies cutting refining to choke supply and maintain and increase
the price of Fuels.

====

That's not really true. It has become uneconomical to build and
operate refineries in the US for a variety of reasons. Are you
willing to pay more for your gasoline to have it refined here? Are
you willing to have a refinery in your backyard? No one else is too
eager to have one either. They are lousy neighbors even when they
meet all of the environmental regs.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil Abner wrote:

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:10:21 -0400, Lil Abner wrote:

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

=========

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/30/11 12:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:10:21 -0400, Lil wrote:

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

=========

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.



Translation:

If we change anything in this country in economics, manufacturing,
whatever, rich people in the United States *might* have a tad less
income to hoard and not invest in this country. Maybe. Therefore, we
should leave everything alone, even though those with middle class or
lower incomes are going right down the tubes.

The reality is that goods are not necessarily any less expensive for
consumers when they manufactured overseas in countries that pay close to
slave labor wages. The difference is that instead of making, say, a $15
net profit on an item made in the USA that wholesales for $100, the
multinational corporation takes that manufacturing to China, where its
net profit, including shipping, on that $100 at wholesale item is now
$55. It still wholesales in the USA for the same price and retails for
the same price, too. There's no difference in the price the consumer
pays, just in the percentage of profit the manufacturer pockets.

It's just greed that takes manufacturing overseas. It's still profitable
to manufacture here, it's just not *as* profitable.

We're heading for a restructuring of society in this country. We're
either going to end up with a peaceful transition that produces equity
for the middle and lower income groups or there will be blood in the
streets. And you know what? Sooner rather than later the majority of
police and other enforcers of civil behavior will realize *they* are
getting ****ed by the rich, too.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/30/2011 8:22 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/30/11 12:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:10:21 -0400, Lil wrote:

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but
think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

=========

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.



Translation:

If we change anything in this country in economics, manufacturing,
whatever, rich people in the United States *might* have a tad less
income to hoard and not invest in this country. Maybe. Therefore, we
should leave everything alone, even though those with middle class or
lower incomes are going right down the tubes.

The reality is that goods are not necessarily any less expensive for
consumers when they manufactured overseas in countries that pay close to
slave labor wages. The difference is that instead of making, say, a $15
net profit on an item made in the USA that wholesales for $100, the
multinational corporation takes that manufacturing to China, where its
net profit, including shipping, on that $100 at wholesale item is now
$55. It still wholesales in the USA for the same price and retails for
the same price, too. There's no difference in the price the consumer
pays, just in the percentage of profit the manufacturer pockets.

It's just greed that takes manufacturing overseas. It's still profitable
to manufacture here, it's just not *as* profitable.

We're heading for a restructuring of society in this country. We're
either going to end up with a peaceful transition that produces equity
for the middle and lower income groups or there will be blood in the
streets. And you know what? Sooner rather than later the majority of
police and other enforcers of civil behavior will realize *they* are
getting ****ed by the rich, too.





Got any hard data to support your bull**** hypothetical scenario?

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:10:21 -0400, Lil Abner wrote:

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

=========

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.

The military/aerospace industries, through the ages, have provided us
with quit a few useful things.

The first that comes to mind is the Roman road system.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/30/11 8:40 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:10:21 -0400, Lil wrote:

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

=========

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.

The military/aerospace industries, through the ages, have provided us
with quit a few useful things.

The first that comes to mind is the Roman road system.


Our large-scale military adventurism the last six decades as provided us
with nothing but budget deficits.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/30/2011 8:51 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/30/11 8:40 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:10:21 -0400, Lil wrote:

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but
think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have
made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

=========

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.

The military/aerospace industries, through the ages, have provided us
with quit a few useful things.

The first that comes to mind is the Roman road system.


Our large-scale military adventurism the last six decades as provided us
with nothing but budget deficits.

You could say the same for foreign aid or your pet social projects.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:51:52 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 10/30/11 8:40 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:10:21 -0400, Lil wrote:

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

=========

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.

The military/aerospace industries, through the ages, have provided us
with quit a few useful things.

The first that comes to mind is the Roman road system.


Our large-scale military adventurism the last six decades as provided us
with nothing but budget deficits.

I suppose we could say the arms race got us the micro chip, the
internet, the GPS system., better RADAR systems, better jet planes and
most of the space program with all of the stuff that came out of that.
(communication satellites, the Hubble telescope and Tang).
Just the things that came out of DARPA is impressive.

It is also the biggest jobs program in history. It is a shame the
public would not have been willing to pay that much for something less
destructive but fear is a powerful force.

As Zig Zigler says,. there are only two things that make people spend
their money, fear and love and they always spend more in response to
fear.

Amazing, one of the Constitutional duties of the federal government is
looked upon as a jobs program.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:40:54 -0400, BAR wrote:

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.

The military/aerospace industries, through the ages, have provided us
with quit a few useful things.

The first that comes to mind is the Roman road system.

=========

Heh, good example. The Romans however did not have a domestic
manufacturing industry to maintain and expand. I'd be the first to
defend the space program also. Not only is it the right thing to do
scientifically but the technology fallout has been enormous as you
suggest. Our *really* hi-tech manufacturing is doing just fine also.
It's the nuts and bolts assembly industries that manufacture consumer
appliances, tools, industrial machinery, etc. that have not really
kept up. Look at the automobile industry as an example. It's easy
to blame their problems on the unions but it runs much deeper than
that. One of our friends here in Florida is a retired senior engineer
from Ford. He has some very interesting stories to tell about how
Ford had to send teams of engineers to Japan and reverse engineer a
lot of asian automobiles to learn the secrets of how to build high
quality vehicles. Mostly it was a management failure but it has been
quite a while since the best and brightest engineers in this country
have been all that interested in building cars.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/30/2011 1:04 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:51:52 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 10/30/11 8:40 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:10:21 -0400, Lil wrote:

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

=========

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.

The military/aerospace industries, through the ages, have provided us
with quit a few useful things.

The first that comes to mind is the Roman road system.


Our large-scale military adventurism the last six decades as provided us
with nothing but budget deficits.

I suppose we could say the arms race got us the micro chip, the
internet, the GPS system., better RADAR systems, better jet planes and
most of the space program with all of the stuff that came out of that.
(communication satellites, the Hubble telescope and Tang).
Just the things that came out of DARPA is impressive.

It is also the biggest jobs program in history. It is a shame the
public would not have been willing to pay that much for something less
destructive but fear is a powerful force.

As Zig Zigler says,. there are only two things that make people spend
their money, fear and love and they always spend more in response to
fear.

And Harry wouldn't be addressing the esteemed members of rec.boats were
it not for
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ar...march_1977.png

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:40:54 -0400, BAR wrote:

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.

The military/aerospace industries, through the ages, have provided us
with quit a few useful things.

The first that comes to mind is the Roman road system.

=========

Heh, good example. The Romans however did not have a domestic
manufacturing industry to maintain and expand. I'd be the first to
defend the space program also. Not only is it the right thing to do
scientifically but the technology fallout has been enormous as you
suggest. Our *really* hi-tech manufacturing is doing just fine also.
It's the nuts and bolts assembly industries that manufacture consumer
appliances, tools, industrial machinery, etc. that have not really
kept up. Look at the automobile industry as an example. It's easy
to blame their problems on the unions but it runs much deeper than
that. One of our friends here in Florida is a retired senior engineer
from Ford. He has some very interesting stories to tell about how
Ford had to send teams of engineers to Japan and reverse engineer a
lot of asian automobiles to learn the secrets of how to build high
quality vehicles. Mostly it was a management failure but it has been
quite a while since the best and brightest engineers in this country
have been all that interested in building cars.

The Japanese car industry learned that you concentrate your efforts on
the areas that are most likely to fail. It didn't take sending engineers
to Japan it should have taken managers looking at where they were
bleeding money.

Edwards Deming comes to mind.

The US auto manufacturers were on the planned obselensence band-wagon.
Build ****ty cars and they, the consumer, will have to come back again
and again and again.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/30/11 1:04 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:51:52 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 10/30/11 8:40 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:10:21 -0400, Lil wrote:

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

=========

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.

The military/aerospace industries, through the ages, have provided us
with quit a few useful things.

The first that comes to mind is the Roman road system.


Our large-scale military adventurism the last six decades as provided us
with nothing but budget deficits.

I suppose we could say the arms race got us the micro chip, the
internet, the GPS system., better RADAR systems, better jet planes and
most of the space program with all of the stuff that came out of that.
(communication satellites, the Hubble telescope and Tang).
Just the things that came out of DARPA is impressive.

It is also the biggest jobs program in history. It is a shame the
public would not have been willing to pay that much for something less
destructive but fear is a powerful force.

As Zig Zigler says,. there are only two things that make people spend
their money, fear and love and they always spend more in response to
fear.


You did notice I used the term "military adventurism," didn't you?

Military adventurism usually is defined as the tendency of a government
or military to take extreme risks in the management of foreign policy
and affairs with the use of troops. You know, like Vietnam, Iraq II,
Afghanistan...the stuff that didn't and won't work out for us.
Large-scale military adventurism to most readers would imply war-making,
not the development and manufacture of materiel.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/30/11 2:57 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:08:36 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...


Our large-scale military adventurism the last six decades as provided us
with nothing but budget deficits.

I suppose we could say the arms race got us the micro chip, the
internet, the GPS system., better RADAR systems, better jet planes and
most of the space program with all of the stuff that came out of that.
(communication satellites, the Hubble telescope and Tang).
Just the things that came out of DARPA is impressive.

It is also the biggest jobs program in history. It is a shame the
public would not have been willing to pay that much for something less
destructive but fear is a powerful force.

As Zig Zigler says,. there are only two things that make people spend
their money, fear and love and they always spend more in response to
fear.

Amazing, one of the Constitutional duties of the federal government is
looked upon as a jobs program.

What our DoD is doing goes far beyond defending our borders.

Nobody we have been at war with since 1945 has attacked or even
threatened to attack the US.

Before you start throwing 9-11 at me, remember virtually everyone
involved in 9-11 was Saudi and most of the planning was done in
Europe. The critical training was done in the US.


I was planning on enlisting once the Viet Cong invaded Topeka but then I
thought about it some more and concluded that Topeka might be a better
place if it were run by the Viet Cong. Certainly the pho would be a lot
better. I got some alleged Chinese food in Topeka in the mid-1960's, and
the Chinese noodles were actual strands of spaghetti.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:08:36 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...


Our large-scale military adventurism the last six decades as provided us
with nothing but budget deficits.

I suppose we could say the arms race got us the micro chip, the
internet, the GPS system., better RADAR systems, better jet planes and
most of the space program with all of the stuff that came out of that.
(communication satellites, the Hubble telescope and Tang).
Just the things that came out of DARPA is impressive.

It is also the biggest jobs program in history. It is a shame the
public would not have been willing to pay that much for something less
destructive but fear is a powerful force.

As Zig Zigler says,. there are only two things that make people spend
their money, fear and love and they always spend more in response to
fear.

Amazing, one of the Constitutional duties of the federal government is
looked upon as a jobs program.

What our DoD is doing goes far beyond defending our borders.

Nobody we have been at war with since 1945 has attacked or even
threatened to attack the US.

Before you start throwing 9-11 at me, remember virtually everyone
involved in 9-11 was Saudi and most of the planning was done in
Europe. The critical training was done in the US.

You would wait until the barbarians are at the gates before you would do
anything? You can join Ronnie P and the rest of the leave me alones as
you are killed and your property is taken.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/30/2011 3:04 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/30/11 2:57 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:08:36 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...


Our large-scale military adventurism the last six decades as
provided us
with nothing but budget deficits.

I suppose we could say the arms race got us the micro chip, the
internet, the GPS system., better RADAR systems, better jet planes and
most of the space program with all of the stuff that came out of that.
(communication satellites, the Hubble telescope and Tang).
Just the things that came out of DARPA is impressive.

It is also the biggest jobs program in history. It is a shame the
public would not have been willing to pay that much for something less
destructive but fear is a powerful force.

As Zig Zigler says,. there are only two things that make people spend
their money, fear and love and they always spend more in response to
fear.

Amazing, one of the Constitutional duties of the federal government is
looked upon as a jobs program.

What our DoD is doing goes far beyond defending our borders.

Nobody we have been at war with since 1945 has attacked or even
threatened to attack the US.

Before you start throwing 9-11 at me, remember virtually everyone
involved in 9-11 was Saudi and most of the planning was done in
Europe. The critical training was done in the US.


I was planning on enlisting once the Viet Cong invaded Topeka but then I
thought about it some more and concluded that Topeka might be a better
place if it were run by the Viet Cong. Certainly the pho would be a lot
better. I got some alleged Chinese food in Topeka in the mid-1960's, and
the Chinese noodles were actual strands of spaghetti.


Fo noolin?

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/30/11 6:38 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 15:47:37 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:08:36 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...


Our large-scale military adventurism the last six decades as provided us
with nothing but budget deficits.

I suppose we could say the arms race got us the micro chip, the
internet, the GPS system., better RADAR systems, better jet planes and
most of the space program with all of the stuff that came out of that.
(communication satellites, the Hubble telescope and Tang).
Just the things that came out of DARPA is impressive.

It is also the biggest jobs program in history. It is a shame the
public would not have been willing to pay that much for something less
destructive but fear is a powerful force.

As Zig Zigler says,. there are only two things that make people spend
their money, fear and love and they always spend more in response to
fear.

Amazing, one of the Constitutional duties of the federal government is
looked upon as a jobs program.

What our DoD is doing goes far beyond defending our borders.

Nobody we have been at war with since 1945 has attacked or even
threatened to attack the US.

Before you start throwing 9-11 at me, remember virtually everyone
involved in 9-11 was Saudi and most of the planning was done in
Europe. The critical training was done in the US.

You would wait until the barbarians are at the gates before you would do
anything? You can join Ronnie P and the rest of the leave me alones as
you are killed and your property is taken.


I think we should be able to do a pretty good job at keeping the
barbarians at the gate with $200 billion a year. In fact, I think they
would be a little worried about tackling the average American redneck.
Isn't there supposed to be a gun behind every blade of grass?


Please...a rabble of rednecks? Who are they going to stop? Yuppies?

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/30/11 6:52 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 15:04:23 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Amazing, one of the Constitutional duties of the federal government is
looked upon as a jobs program.

What our DoD is doing goes far beyond defending our borders.

Nobody we have been at war with since 1945 has attacked or even
threatened to attack the US.

Before you start throwing 9-11 at me, remember virtually everyone
involved in 9-11 was Saudi and most of the planning was done in
Europe. The critical training was done in the US.


I was planning on enlisting once the Viet Cong invaded Topeka but then I
thought about it some more and concluded that Topeka might be a better
place if it were run by the Viet Cong.

I had actually enlisted before most people thought the Viet Cong were
ever going to be a problem. After all, hadn't we just elected LBJ who
was the peace candidate? I enlisted so I could call my shot and not be
drafted into the Sargent Bilko army, painting rocks white in front of
an officer's club in Fumbuck Arkansas.

I got some alleged Chinese food in Topeka in the mid-1960's, and
the Chinese noodles were actual strands of spaghetti.


Asian food in Kansas? Isn't that like trying to get decent Italian
food south of exit 12 on the Jersey Turnpike?

Actually there are enough snowbirds to find decent gravy in Florida
but you have to look for it. I stumbled into a great place right
before you go over the bridge in Clearwater Beach at the end of a
little strip mall.


We actually have a really good Italian restaurant nearby, run by an
actual Italian family from Italy. Best pizza outside of Pepe's in New
Haven, and really terrific Italian seafood and pasta dishes.

I was in Topeka with my girlfriend back then, a nice red-headed lass
whose family lived in Topeka. Her parents weren't too upset by the fact
that their daughter was hooked up with me, a strange guy from "the
East." Because of her, I got into journalism, which was her major. I
took a few courses in the j-school, alongside my English/Soc double major.

Anyway, she took me to a Chinese restaurant. What did I know? Most of it
tasted like Chinese fast food, but I wasn't about to tell her that.

i also joined for 25 cents a bottle club. Life member for a quarter.
Probably long gone, since Kansas now serves hard liquor by the drink.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/30/11 8:36 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:42:32 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

I think we should be able to do a pretty good job at keeping the
barbarians at the gate with $200 billion a year. In fact, I think they
would be a little worried about tackling the average American redneck.
Isn't there supposed to be a gun behind every blade of grass?


Please...a rabble of rednecks? Who are they going to stop? Yuppies?

Who is going to invade us?

I was still willing to spend $200 billion for the pentagon.
That is more than all of our potential enemies spend combined
(China, Russia, North Korea, Iran and some left over for the odd ****
hole country I forgot)

I still would not underestimate 50 million armed Americans, probably a
quarter of which might even stick their neck out and fight. Even if
only 10% of them were effective, that is still well over a million
well armed people.


I think an insurrection is more likely, with massive disruptions through
demonstrations of the businesses and their bosses and the streets in
front of the homes of the bosses who have and continue to rob this
nation blind.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/30/11 9:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:57:26 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

I think an insurrection is more likely, with massive disruptions through
demonstrations of the businesses and their bosses and the streets in
front of the homes of the bosses who have and continue to rob this
nation blind.

That is going to happen when the government tries to explain that SS
was a Ponzi and those trust fund bonds are only worth about 40 cents
on the dollar.


The government has the ability to raise taxes, sell instruments, and do
what it needs to do, but with Congress held hostage by the GOP on behalf
of its owners, nothing is happening.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 15:47:37 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:08:36 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...


Our large-scale military adventurism the last six decades as provided us
with nothing but budget deficits.

I suppose we could say the arms race got us the micro chip, the
internet, the GPS system., better RADAR systems, better jet planes and
most of the space program with all of the stuff that came out of that.
(communication satellites, the Hubble telescope and Tang).
Just the things that came out of DARPA is impressive.

It is also the biggest jobs program in history. It is a shame the
public would not have been willing to pay that much for something less
destructive but fear is a powerful force.

As Zig Zigler says,. there are only two things that make people spend
their money, fear and love and they always spend more in response to
fear.

Amazing, one of the Constitutional duties of the federal government is
looked upon as a jobs program.

What our DoD is doing goes far beyond defending our borders.

Nobody we have been at war with since 1945 has attacked or even
threatened to attack the US.

Before you start throwing 9-11 at me, remember virtually everyone
involved in 9-11 was Saudi and most of the planning was done in
Europe. The critical training was done in the US.

You would wait until the barbarians are at the gates before you would do
anything? You can join Ronnie P and the rest of the leave me alones as
you are killed and your property is taken.


I think we should be able to do a pretty good job at keeping the
barbarians at the gate with $200 billion a year. In fact, I think they
would be a little worried about tackling the average American redneck.
Isn't there supposed to be a gun behind every blade of grass?

You need to kill them before they get to your gates.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 23:04:33 -0400, BAR wrote:

You would wait until the barbarians are at the gates before you would do
anything? You can join Ronnie P and the rest of the leave me alones as
you are killed and your property is taken.


I think we should be able to do a pretty good job at keeping the
barbarians at the gate with $200 billion a year. In fact, I think they
would be a little worried about tackling the average American redneck.
Isn't there supposed to be a gun behind every blade of grass?

You need to kill them before they get to your gates.


The people we have been killing for the last 60 years have no way to
get to our gates.

We are invaded each and every day.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:39:00 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 23:04:33 -0400, BAR wrote:

You would wait until the barbarians are at the gates before you would do
anything? You can join Ronnie P and the rest of the leave me alones as
you are killed and your property is taken.


I think we should be able to do a pretty good job at keeping the
barbarians at the gate with $200 billion a year. In fact, I think they
would be a little worried about tackling the average American redneck.
Isn't there supposed to be a gun behind every blade of grass?

You need to kill them before they get to your gates.


The people we have been killing for the last 60 years have no way to
get to our gates.

We are invaded each and every day.


Profound.

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/31/2011 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:39:00 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 23:04:33 -0400, wrote:

You would wait until the barbarians are at the gates before you would do
anything? You can join Ronnie P and the rest of the leave me alones as
you are killed and your property is taken.


I think we should be able to do a pretty good job at keeping the
barbarians at the gate with $200 billion a year. In fact, I think they
would be a little worried about tackling the average American redneck.
Isn't there supposed to be a gun behind every blade of grass?

You need to kill them before they get to your gates.


The people we have been killing for the last 60 years have no way to
get to our gates.

We are invaded each and every day.


Yeah, I am looking across the street at your invaders. They are
cutting my neighbor's lawn, trimming trees, edging, fluffing up the
mulch and blowing off the driveway. ... because he won't do it,, his
kid won't do it, nor will anyone else's kid I know. I don't feel
threatened in any way.

Working like dogs I suspect. They should have union representation,

--
1-20-13 The end of an error

Rick Perry, the great hope of the GOP, realizes...
 

On 10/30/2011 8:22 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/30/11 12:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:10:21 -0400, Lil wrote:

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but
think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

=========

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.



Translation:

If we change anything in this country in economics, manufacturing,
whatever, rich people in the United States *might* have a tad less
income to hoard and not invest in this country. Maybe. Therefore, we
should leave everything alone, even though those with middle class or
lower incomes are going right down the tubes.

The reality is that goods are not necessarily any less expensive for
consumers when they manufactured overseas in countries that pay close to
slave labor wages. The difference is that instead of making, say, a $15
net profit on an item made in the USA that wholesales for $100, the
multinational corporation takes that manufacturing to China, where its
net profit, including shipping, on that $100 at wholesale item is now
$55. It still wholesales in the USA for the same price and retails for
the same price, too. There's no difference in the price the consumer
pays, just in the percentage of profit the manufacturer pockets.

It's just greed that takes manufacturing overseas. It's still profitable
to manufacture here, it's just not *as* profitable.

We're heading for a restructuring of society in this country. We're
either going to end up with a peaceful transition that produces equity
for the middle and lower income groups or there will be blood in the
streets. And you know what? Sooner rather than later the majority of
police and other enforcers of civil behavior will realize *they* are
getting ****ed by the rich, too.




I read yours and previous poster. That's a lot of Global Corp. pop talk.
When Sam Walton started his buy America Campaign and before no one was
complaining about American made quality goods costing too much.
The reason for the Global Free Trade Agenda was increased profits for
the Global Investor. Some prices went down because it was inferior stuff
but mostly just profit margins increased.
You don't understand that Americans concerns, jobs, taxes, security, are
not part or any of their concerns.
It is Washington's or ours.
Everything transpiring there now is the global agenda including trade
governance etc.
There has been nothing from any, of the Candidates about busting
Monopolies and tax policies on these outfits, that basically are
treating America and Americans as a colony, of the Global Corporate world.
Turning America down, to level the playing field, of whatever the lowest
common denominator is, perhaps Zimbabwe, is what it is all about.
Massive wealth requires poverty. The few that comprise the Global
Ownership ruling the peasantry. Global Feudalism?
Whatever it is it is Washington's job to maintain the Republic and
ensure Americans prosperity and sovereignty among other things. It is
not to further global governance or dominance of America And Americans
by Global Corporations. Why aren't we hearing anything about returning
American's preeminence in Production? Why are we hearing nothing but
blame Americans? Blame Unions? Blame out of work Americans greed?
Americans have had it too easy for too long. Americans are going to have
to learn to pay a lot more for a lot less. Is this your vision of how it
should be? Blame America. More sustainable economy European Socialism,
deprivation and sacrifice? We're not righteous unless we are as poor as
Asia??? you like the Brussels Socialist Bilderberg design???
There is just so many assaults continuing on America you cannot lump
them all into one creature or I cant' except they are all Greed of
wealth and power.
Don;'t agree or can't?