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Police thugs injure Iraq vet
Paranoid city officials tightening people's ability to peacefully assemble on public property... Bet you righties will say he got what was coming to him because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. So much for free speech and the right to assemble. Never injured in Iraq, but during a peaceful march to demonstrate against the powers that be, he gets clocked in the head... Are we living in Russia? WASHINGTON -- The Oakland Police Department fired tear gas on Occupy Oakland demonstrators Tuesday night as they marched through downtown, determined to reclaim the camp that officers destroyed that morning. As the marchers zigged and zagged in search of safe ground, authorities bombarded and barricaded the activists into a drawn-out stalemate that resulted in further arrests. The local police's use of force seriously injured an Occupy activist and Iraq War veteran. Scott Olsen, 24, remains sedated on a respirator, in stable but critical condition at Oakland’s Highland Hospital after being hit in the head with a police projectile. Olsen's roommate, Keith Shannon, 24, told The Huffington Post that Olsen is still in the emergency room. "Right now, he's under sedation," Shannon said. "He walked into the hospital." But soon after his arrival, Shannon said, doctors found that there was swelling in Olsen's brain and put him under. He did not get a chance to talk to his friend. "They are waiting for a neurosurgeon to examine him to see if he needs surgery or not," Shannon said. If he doesn't need an operation, he'll be moved to the intensive care unit. Activists staged Tuesday night’s march through downtown Oakland in response to a violent police raid on the Occupy Oakland encampment earlier that day, during which officers rained tear gas and rubber bullets on the activists in an effort to clear the camp. Police arrested scores of protesters during the eviction. When reached at her Wisconsin home, Sandra Olsen, Scott's mother, told HuffPost that her son's condition was serious. "He has a head injury," she said. "They are still trying to figure it out with him. I don't want to tie up the phone line. He's not in the best shape." According to Shannon, Olsen had been attending Occupy San Francisco events and had answered the call to join Occupy Oakland in solidarity. "He doesn't agree with the way the banks aren't regulated, the way they drove the economy in the ground. He wants there to be regulation of the banks," Shannon said. Shannon, 24, says his friend was simply one of the marchers. "He was just hit by a projectile," said Shannon, who did not attend the march but heard about the incident from eyewitnesses. "He wasn't near a police officer when it happened." Dottie Guy, a veteran of the Iraq War and a friend of Olsen, found out about her friend's injury through Twitter and Facebook. She has maintained an overnight vigil at the hospital. "He always had a smile on his face," she said. "He's really into the movement." YouTube video of the incident shows Olsen, wearing his Marine jacket without his nametape, being carted through a cloud of tear-gas smoke to the sounds of shrieking activists. In a close up, his forehead appears bruised and bloodied. He stares up at his ad-hoc triage in a daze. When asked, “What's your name?” he can’t answer. Someone screams, "Medic!" Shannon first got to know Olsen serving in Iraq from August 2006 to May 2007, when the two worked tactical communications as part of the Marines' 3rd Battalion. Olsen subsequently served a second tour. "We both came out against the war," Shannon said. Olsen was never injured during his two tours in Iraq. |
Police thugs injure Iraq vet
On 26/10/2011 2:14 PM, jps wrote:
Are we living in Russia? Might as well be. Democracy int eh USA is somewhat of a ruse really. Someone picks the ponies for the ballot, you vote in the rigged game. Romney, Perry, old boys golden handshake types. Money-power in the back room knows 0bama is cooked. So the back room wins either way. Police are not about justice. They are about keeping the peace to maximize the take from the herd. Disabled or vet, no voice. Worker, owned by the government. And you might wish you lived in Russia, compared to the USA they are doing quite well. Not as much bailout and corruption casing economic troubles. Government even backs up business when Europe tries to welsh on paying for natural gas. If Europe countries try to welsh, government OKs urning off the taps. Debt welshers don't get away with much. -- The reason government can't fix the economic problems is government is the problem. |
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On Oct 27, 9:22*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:04:57 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:14:23 -0700, jps wrote: Paranoid city officials tightening people's ability to peacefully assemble on public property... Since when has "camping" been "speech"? These people are being told to leave the park at night when they are supposed to be closed. Are we going to set the precedent that anyone can sleep in city parks if they claim to have something to say? People, go home and come back tomorrow when the park opens again. Nobody is going to be there at 3AM to hear your protest but the cops and maybe a few vagrants. I hope they set that precedent. Then I'll take the travel trailer to city parks. Would be a lot cheaper than campgrounds, and right downtown. I'll just paint a sign on my trailer. Something like, "Give Me Money For Nothing."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I thought you'd be sucking up the free squatting on Wal-mart parking lots. |
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On 10/27/11 4:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:25:48 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:04:57 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:14:23 -0700, wrote: Paranoid city officials tightening people's ability to peacefully assemble on public property... Since when has "camping" been "speech"? These people are being told to leave the park at night when they are supposed to be closed. Are we going to set the precedent that anyone can sleep in city parks if they claim to have something to say? People, go home and come back tomorrow when the park opens again. Nobody is going to be there at 3AM to hear your protest but the cops and maybe a few vagrants. They were marching in the street, heading towards the park. Your argument has nothing to do with the right to peacfully assemble. Was the park they were heading for supposed to be closed? It's against the law to assemble on the city's streets and march at night? There's one good thing already occurring because of the demonstrations...you righties are starting to react exactly as the demonstrators hope you will. At some point, the authorities somewhere will have a Kent State incident and kill a few demonstrators. This time when it happens there will be serious escalations. We're either going to have a peaceful restructuring of society that tips the balance a bit towards the middle class or we're going to have a real revolution. There's no justification for the rich to be getting richer at the expense of workers and middle class and poor families. |
Police thugs injure Iraq vet
On 10/27/11 4:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:25:48 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:04:57 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:14:23 -0700, wrote: Paranoid city officials tightening people's ability to peacefully assemble on public property... Since when has "camping" been "speech"? These people are being told to leave the park at night when they are supposed to be closed. Are we going to set the precedent that anyone can sleep in city parks if they claim to have something to say? People, go home and come back tomorrow when the park opens again. Nobody is going to be there at 3AM to hear your protest but the cops and maybe a few vagrants. They were marching in the street, heading towards the park. Your argument has nothing to do with the right to peacfully assemble. Was the park they were heading for supposed to be closed? Quan, Under Attack, Changes Course on Occupy Oakland Mayor reopens plaza to protesters, promises dialogue and "minimum police presence" if demonstrations stay peaceful By Shoshana Walter on October 27, 2011 - 12:08 a.m. PDT Oakland Mayor Jean Quan, under attack from inside and outside her administration, announced late Wednesday that Occupy Oakland can return to the plaza in front of City Hall, an abrupt reversal that followed a night of street violence Tuesday and widespread criticism over her handling of the crisis. As more than 1,000 people descended on Frank H. Ogawa Plaza Wednesday night, Quan called for "a minimum police presence" and said nonviolent protesters would be allowed to re-occupy the area near City Hall. One day earlier, with Quan's authorization, 400 police officers had dismantled the tent city. Quan has been facing a growing firestorm over what some describe as a tentative, out-of-touch approach to the crisis. Earlier, Quan admitted that she had not known that police were planning to evict the protesters early Tuesday morning, saying only that she had signed off on the plan. Dan Siegel, the mayor's longtime friend and legal adviser, said he was considering resigning over the raid. He added that city officials were divided over how to handle Occupy Oakland. “I think a big mistake was made yesterday. A big mistake,” Siegel said during an appearance on the plaza. “I have made that clear to the mayor.” |
Police thugs injure Iraq vet
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:09:07 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:25:48 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:04:57 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:14:23 -0700, jps wrote: Paranoid city officials tightening people's ability to peacefully assemble on public property... Since when has "camping" been "speech"? These people are being told to leave the park at night when they are supposed to be closed. Are we going to set the precedent that anyone can sleep in city parks if they claim to have something to say? People, go home and come back tomorrow when the park opens again. Nobody is going to be there at 3AM to hear your protest but the cops and maybe a few vagrants. They were marching in the street, heading towards the park. Your argument has nothing to do with the right to peacfully assemble. Was the park they were heading for supposed to be closed? Come on, Greg. That's really a flimsy argument. They were protesting, walking on public streets. You cannot arrest them, beat them up or fire a tear gas cannisters at their heads for what they might do. |
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On 10/27/2011 4:46 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:09:07 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:25:48 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:04:57 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:14:23 -0700, wrote: Paranoid city officials tightening people's ability to peacefully assemble on public property... Since when has "camping" been "speech"? These people are being told to leave the park at night when they are supposed to be closed. Are we going to set the precedent that anyone can sleep in city parks if they claim to have something to say? People, go home and come back tomorrow when the park opens again. Nobody is going to be there at 3AM to hear your protest but the cops and maybe a few vagrants. They were marching in the street, heading towards the park. Your argument has nothing to do with the right to peacfully assemble. Was the park they were heading for supposed to be closed? Come on, Greg. That's really a flimsy argument. They were protesting, walking on public streets. You cannot arrest them, beat them up or fire a tear gas cannisters at their heads for what they might do. Not what they might do, what they were doing. Marching on Police.... |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:09:07 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:25:48 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:04:57 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:14:23 -0700, jps wrote: Paranoid city officials tightening people's ability to peacefully assemble on public property... Since when has "camping" been "speech"? These people are being told to leave the park at night when they are supposed to be closed. Are we going to set the precedent that anyone can sleep in city parks if they claim to have something to say? People, go home and come back tomorrow when the park opens again. Nobody is going to be there at 3AM to hear your protest but the cops and maybe a few vagrants. They were marching in the street, heading towards the park. Your argument has nothing to do with the right to peacfully assemble. Was the park they were heading for supposed to be closed? Obama should just give them a bunch of money. Problem solved. |
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On 10/27/11 4:48 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/27/2011 4:46 PM, jps wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:09:07 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:25:48 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:04:57 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:14:23 -0700, wrote: Paranoid city officials tightening people's ability to peacefully assemble on public property... Since when has "camping" been "speech"? These people are being told to leave the park at night when they are supposed to be closed. Are we going to set the precedent that anyone can sleep in city parks if they claim to have something to say? People, go home and come back tomorrow when the park opens again. Nobody is going to be there at 3AM to hear your protest but the cops and maybe a few vagrants. They were marching in the street, heading towards the park. Your argument has nothing to do with the right to peacfully assemble. Was the park they were heading for supposed to be closed? Come on, Greg. That's really a flimsy argument. They were protesting, walking on public streets. You cannot arrest them, beat them up or fire a tear gas cannisters at their heads for what they might do. Not what they might do, what they were doing. Marching on Police.... Is that anything like behaving so badly at a police station that the police push you down the stairs, or being stopped by the police and relieved of $600 because they think you look like a drug dealer? |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:12:25 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:46:37 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:09:07 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:25:48 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:04:57 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:14:23 -0700, jps wrote: Paranoid city officials tightening people's ability to peacefully assemble on public property... Since when has "camping" been "speech"? These people are being told to leave the park at night when they are supposed to be closed. Are we going to set the precedent that anyone can sleep in city parks if they claim to have something to say? People, go home and come back tomorrow when the park opens again. Nobody is going to be there at 3AM to hear your protest but the cops and maybe a few vagrants. They were marching in the street, heading towards the park. Your argument has nothing to do with the right to peacfully assemble. Was the park they were heading for supposed to be closed? Come on, Greg. That's really a flimsy argument. They were protesting, walking on public streets. You cannot arrest them, beat them up or fire a tear gas cannisters at their heads for what they might do. The article I read says they were attempting to reenter the park that they had been kicked out of. Of course that was on the right wing MSNBC so who knows. Would you feel as supportive if this was a group trying to put up Christmas decorations in the park? How about if it was the tea party? I am sure you would be lecturing us on the limits of free speech and the rule of law. I don't think illegally putting up Christmas decorations warrants tear gas cannisters to the head. The teabaggers are welcome to march and I'm actually fine if they decided their cause was so important that they were willing to sleep outdoors and cause a ruckus. I disagree with their agenda but that's not a reason to promote violence on behalf of the police. You're right, I have problems with free speech when it's Nazi's doing the talking but I didn't write the laws. |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:22:19 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:12:25 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:46:37 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:09:07 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:25:48 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:04:57 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:14:23 -0700, jps wrote: Paranoid city officials tightening people's ability to peacefully assemble on public property... Since when has "camping" been "speech"? These people are being told to leave the park at night when they are supposed to be closed. Are we going to set the precedent that anyone can sleep in city parks if they claim to have something to say? People, go home and come back tomorrow when the park opens again. Nobody is going to be there at 3AM to hear your protest but the cops and maybe a few vagrants. They were marching in the street, heading towards the park. Your argument has nothing to do with the right to peacfully assemble. Was the park they were heading for supposed to be closed? Come on, Greg. That's really a flimsy argument. They were protesting, walking on public streets. You cannot arrest them, beat them up or fire a tear gas cannisters at their heads for what they might do. The article I read says they were attempting to reenter the park that they had been kicked out of. Of course that was on the right wing MSNBC so who knows. Would you feel as supportive if this was a group trying to put up Christmas decorations in the park? How about if it was the tea party? I am sure you would be lecturing us on the limits of free speech and the rule of law. The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the disbanded camp. They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc. You just don't like the message, aparently. |
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On Oct 27, 10:15*pm, jps wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, jps wrote: The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the disbanded camp. They went overboard. *There was no threat to property, lives, etc. You just don't like the message, aparently. I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers. Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore? If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them out into the world without any job skills? I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the protesters. You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting. They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the country is run. That simple enough for you? You just want to bitch and moan and play the bleeding heart. That simple enough for you? |
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On Oct 27, 6:50*pm, jps wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:22:19 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:12:25 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:46:37 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:09:07 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:25:48 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:04:57 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:14:23 -0700, jps wrote: Paranoid city officials tightening people's ability to peacefully assemble on public property... Since when has "camping" been "speech"? These people are being told to leave the park at night when they are supposed to be closed. Are we going to set the precedent that anyone can sleep in city parks if they claim to have something to say? People, go home and come back tomorrow when the park opens again. Nobody is going to be there at 3AM to hear your protest but the cops and maybe a few vagrants. They were marching in the street, heading towards the park. *Your argument has nothing to do with the right to peacfully assemble. Was the park they were heading for supposed to be closed? Come on, Greg. *That's really a flimsy argument. They were protesting, walking on public streets. *You cannot arrest them, beat them up or fire a tear gas cannisters at their heads for what they might do. The article I read says they were attempting to reenter the park that they had been kicked out of. Of course that was on the right wing MSNBC so who knows. Would you feel as supportive if this was a group trying to put up Christmas decorations in the park? How about if it was the tea party? I am sure you would be lecturing us on the limits of free speech and the rule of law. The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the disbanded camp. They went overboard. *There was no threat to property, lives, etc. You just don't like the message, aparently. You just don't like it because the majority of Americans feel *the message* is worthless. |
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, jps wrote: The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the disbanded camp. They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc. You just don't like the message, aparently. I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers. Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore? If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them out into the world without any job skills? I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the protesters. You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting. They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the country is run. That simple enough for you? I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition. That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS. It's central to the movement. |
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On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, wrote: The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the disbanded camp. They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc. You just don't like the message, aparently. I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers. Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore? If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them out into the world without any job skills? I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the protesters. You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting. They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the country is run. That simple enough for you? I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition. That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS. It's central to the movement. Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed "property rights." |
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On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, wrote: The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the disbanded camp. They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc. You just don't like the message, aparently. I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers. Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore? If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them out into the world without any job skills? I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the protesters. You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting. They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the country is run. That simple enough for you? I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition. That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS. It's central to the movement. Here's the document I saw...it's a good beginning... https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/ |
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says... On 10/27/2011 4:46 PM, jps wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:09:07 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:25:48 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:04:57 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:14:23 -0700, wrote: Paranoid city officials tightening people's ability to peacefully assemble on public property... Since when has "camping" been "speech"? These people are being told to leave the park at night when they are supposed to be closed. Are we going to set the precedent that anyone can sleep in city parks if they claim to have something to say? People, go home and come back tomorrow when the park opens again. Nobody is going to be there at 3AM to hear your protest but the cops and maybe a few vagrants. They were marching in the street, heading towards the park. Your argument has nothing to do with the right to peacfully assemble. Was the park they were heading for supposed to be closed? Come on, Greg. That's really a flimsy argument. They were protesting, walking on public streets. You cannot arrest them, beat them up or fire a tear gas cannisters at their heads for what they might do. Not what they might do, what they were doing. Marching on Police.... How does one "march on police"? They were marching down the street, much like the teapartiers do. |
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On 10/28/2011 7:01 AM, X ` Man wrote:
Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed "property rights." That would certainly upset your applecart. I can just see you giving up your propery to satisfy others human needs. You must think its a great idea so long as *YOU* are exempt. |
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:43 -0400, Drifter wrote:
On 10/28/2011 7:01 AM, X ` Man wrote: Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed "property rights." That would certainly upset your applecart. I can just see you giving up your propery to satisfy others human needs. You must think its a great idea so long as *YOU* are exempt. If you don't have a Ducati, you can't give up your Ducati. |
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On 10/28/11 9:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:43 -0400, wrote: On 10/28/2011 7:01 AM, X ` Man wrote: Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed "property rights." That would certainly upset your applecart. I can just see you giving up your propery to satisfy others human needs. You must think its a great idea so long as *YOU* are exempt. If you don't have a Ducati, you can't give up your Ducati. If you don't have compassion, you don't have a soul. |
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On 10/28/2011 9:21 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/28/11 9:13 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:43 -0400, wrote: On 10/28/2011 7:01 AM, X ` Man wrote: Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed "property rights." That would certainly upset your applecart. I can just see you giving up your propery to satisfy others human needs. You must think its a great idea so long as *YOU* are exempt. If you don't have a Ducati, you can't give up your Ducati. If you don't have compassion, you don't have a soul. Who told you that? Couldn't have been an athiest or an agnostic. |
Police thugs injure Iraq vet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:29:59 -0400, X ` Man
wrote: On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, wrote: The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the disbanded camp. They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc. You just don't like the message, aparently. I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers. Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore? If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them out into the world without any job skills? I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the protesters. You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting. They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the country is run. That simple enough for you? I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition. That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS. It's central to the movement. Here's the document I saw...it's a good beginning... https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/ Notice the first three points are about dealing with money in politics. |
Police thugs injure Iraq vet
On 10/28/11 11:18 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:29:59 -0400, X ` wrote: On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, wrote: The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the disbanded camp. They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc. You just don't like the message, aparently. I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers. Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore? If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them out into the world without any job skills? I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the protesters. You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting. They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the country is run. That simple enough for you? I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition. That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS. It's central to the movement. Here's the document I saw...it's a good beginning... https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/ Notice the first three points are about dealing with money in politics. It's a huge part of our current political problems. |
Police thugs injure Iraq vet
On 10/28/11 12:55 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:18:50 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:29:59 -0400, X ` wrote: On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote: You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting. They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the country is run. That simple enough for you? I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition. That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS. It's central to the movement. Here's the document I saw...it's a good beginning... https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/ Notice the first three points are about dealing with money in politics. ... and then they wander off into fantasy. They say they want to pay down the debt and then propose a couple trillion in unfunded mandates. My advice is they should put down the lighter, step away from the bong and get out a calculator to figure out the expense of forgiving mortgages, eliminating student debt and that health care system that nobody wants to pay for. When you show them what the tax rate would be to do this in a revenue neutral way I bet they will start pulling back on their demands. I do find it interesting that they want to abolish the fed. I don't know one economist who thinks that is a good idea and eliminating the electoral college will be DOA when it gets to the state legislatures. I assume they want to restructure the senate too. Essentially 5 states would run the whole government. The dumbest idea is the CCC and the WPA. How many of those kids would be willing to work outside in the hot sun for minimum wage? (or less) That is just a bunch of kids who do not understand what those programs were. Do you really think ANYONE would work for $16 a day and that is what the CCC paid, adjusted for inflation. It was a dollar a day and they only cleared $5 a month, the rest was sent home. Even if you paid the Davis Bacon wage, most of the people I see at these protests would turn their nose up at that kind of job. It's just a political platform, just like, you know... |
Police thugs injure Iraq vet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:55:38 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:18:50 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:29:59 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote: You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting. They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the country is run. That simple enough for you? I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition. That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS. It's central to the movement. Here's the document I saw...it's a good beginning... https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/ Notice the first three points are about dealing with money in politics. ... and then they wander off into fantasy. They say they want to pay down the debt and then propose a couple trillion in unfunded mandates. My advice is they should put down the lighter, step away from the bong and get out a calculator to figure out the expense of forgiving mortgages, eliminating student debt and that health care system that nobody wants to pay for. When you show them what the tax rate would be to do this in a revenue neutral way I bet they will start pulling back on their demands. I do find it interesting that they want to abolish the fed. I don't know one economist who thinks that is a good idea and eliminating the electoral college will be DOA when it gets to the state legislatures. I assume they want to restructure the senate too. Essentially 5 states would run the whole government. The dumbest idea is the CCC and the WPA. How many of those kids would be willing to work outside in the hot sun for minimum wage? (or less) That is just a bunch of kids who do not understand what those programs were. Do you really think ANYONE would work for $16 a day and that is what the CCC paid, adjusted for inflation. It was a dollar a day and they only cleared $5 a month, the rest was sent home. Even if you paid the Davis Bacon wage, most of the people I see at these protests would turn their nose up at that kind of job. It's a draft. What do you think the initial drafts of the constitution looked like? You think everyone who had an idea was as smart as Jefferson? You've just defined yourself as a low info voter. You haven't read anything about the agenda of the 99 until it's handed to you on a silver platter but you've seen lots of pictures. And, from those pictures, you've judged that they'd turn their noses up at minimum wage. Following in the footsteps of Bill Frist in the Terry Shiavo case, eh? Minimum wage in Washington is $8.67 and going to $9.04 as of Jan 1, 2012. That's scarcely enough to live on but it's a damned sight better than nothing. I don't know how long it's been since you've had to go without food or a place to sleep but I'm guessing you're sorely out of touch. |
Police thugs injure Iraq vet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:39:29 -0400, Drifter wrote:
On 10/28/2011 9:21 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 10/28/11 9:13 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:43 -0400, wrote: On 10/28/2011 7:01 AM, X ` Man wrote: Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed "property rights." That would certainly upset your applecart. I can just see you giving up your propery to satisfy others human needs. You must think its a great idea so long as *YOU* are exempt. If you don't have a Ducati, you can't give up your Ducati. If you don't have compassion, you don't have a soul. Who told you that? Couldn't have been an athiest or an agnostic. The Liberals have shown tremendous compassion to the poor over the years - by keeping them poor. And they fight the one hope the poor may have, a decent education. Gotta keep those worthless union teachers in the schools. Make sure there are no standards by which teachers and students can be evaluated. That's compassion! City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit, MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo, NY 29..9% 3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland, OH 27.0% 5. Miami, FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis, MO 26.8% 7. El Paso, TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1% 10. Newark, NJ 24.2% U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007 What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? Democrat mayors. Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961; Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954; Cincinnati, OH (3rd)...since 1984; Cleveland, OH (4th)...since 1989; Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor; St. Louis, MO (6th)....since 1949; El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor; Milwaukee, WI (8th)...since 1908; Philadelphia, PA (9th)...since 1952; Newark, NJ (10th)...since 1907. |
Police thugs injure Iraq vet
On 10/28/11 2:37 PM, John H wrote:
.. The Liberals have shown tremendous compassion to the poor over the years - by keeping them poor. What a crackpot you are...the only thing you have to look forward to is your increasing senility...and racism. |
Police thugs injure Iraq vet
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Police thugs injure Iraq vet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:38:20 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:19:24 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:55:38 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:18:50 -0700, jps wrote: https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/ Notice the first three points are about dealing with money in politics. ... and then they wander off into fantasy. They say they want to pay down the debt and then propose a couple trillion in unfunded mandates. My advice is they should put down the lighter, step away from the bong and get out a calculator to figure out the expense of forgiving mortgages, eliminating student debt and that health care system that nobody wants to pay for. When you show them what the tax rate would be to do this in a revenue neutral way I bet they will start pulling back on their demands. I do find it interesting that they want to abolish the fed. I don't know one economist who thinks that is a good idea and eliminating the electoral college will be DOA when it gets to the state legislatures. I assume they want to restructure the senate too. Essentially 5 states would run the whole government. The dumbest idea is the CCC and the WPA. How many of those kids would be willing to work outside in the hot sun for minimum wage? (or less) That is just a bunch of kids who do not understand what those programs were. Do you really think ANYONE would work for $16 a day and that is what the CCC paid, adjusted for inflation. It was a dollar a day and they only cleared $5 a month, the rest was sent home. Even if you paid the Davis Bacon wage, most of the people I see at these protests would turn their nose up at that kind of job. It's a draft. What do you think the initial drafts of the constitution looked like? You think everyone who had an idea was as smart as Jefferson? You've just defined yourself as a low info voter. You haven't read anything about the agenda of the 99 until it's handed to you on a silver platter but you've seen lots of pictures. I have seen several of these lists of demands. Some don't even pass the laugh test. That is what happens when you have thousands of kids walking around with lap tops and tablets pumping out manifestos. It is really hard to figure out who is talking and for whom they actually speak. Minimum wage in Washington is $8.67 and going to $9.04 as of Jan 1, 2012. That's scarcely enough to live on but it's a damned sight better than nothing. I don't know how long it's been since you've had to go without food or a place to sleep but I'm guessing you're sorely out of touch. Not since 1965 but I did figure out how to make a living. My point is the whole idea that a CCC camp doing manual labor would attract anyone in this century is ludicrous ... unless you are talking about illegal aliens. We can't even get people in this country to pick fruits and vegetables. That is not quarrying out stone and breaking them up with a hammer like the CCC people were doing. Further proves that you're out of touch with young people of today. You seem to think they're jaded and spoiled but I find the opposite. They're more concerned with the environment, fellow citizens and the state of the country than my peers were in the 60s and 70s and we were significantly more enlightened than those that came before us. |
Police thugs injure Iraq vet
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:03:37 -0700, jps wrote:
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:21:41 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:06:12 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:38:20 -0400, wrote: Not since 1965 but I did figure out how to make a living. My point is the whole idea that a CCC camp doing manual labor would attract anyone in this century is ludicrous ... unless you are talking about illegal aliens. We can't even get people in this country to pick fruits and vegetables. That is not quarrying out stone and breaking them up with a hammer like the CCC people were doing. Further proves that you're out of touch with young people of today. You seem to think they're jaded and spoiled but I find the opposite. They're more concerned with the environment, fellow citizens and the state of the country than my peers were in the 60s and 70s and we were significantly more enlightened than those that came before us. I was an inspector for 8 years and my wife built houses, I do know who shows up for manual labor jobs. That is what the WPA and the CCC was. It is all I was talking about. I don't think student loans are at the center of this protest. There's a depth of despair in those that cannot find a job and cannot support their families. These protestors are just the canary in the mineshaft. WPA would be an excellent thing but we don't need pictures, we need roads and bridges fixed and schools repaired. I've yet to see any signs saying, "Rebuild our Roads and Bridges" or "Fix our Schools". Most of the signs indicate the holder wants something for nothing. |
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