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On 10/1/11 11:25 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:40:47 -0400, X `
wrote:

It is a stupid point. Have you been doing drugs? This guy was the most
articulate terrorist out there. His elimination probably cut into
their recruitment efforts by a considerable amount and THAT saved
American lives.

Yet you still condemn killing a guy who was convicted in court for
killing people in this country and that conviction survives decades of
appeals, any one of which would have set him free.
Are you saying you trust the CIA more than the American judicial
system?

Justice for a black guy in the south?snerk

Harry still thinks the south is the same as it was in the early
1900's....

No he doesn't.

That's correct. There have been some improvements in the quality of life
for people of color in the South but when it comes to the criminal
justice system, blacks accused of capital crimes are less likely than
whites to obtain a competent legal defense. In terms of criminal
justice, Southerners are much more bloodthirsty than non-Southern
Americans. Is it their fundamentalist christianity coming into play?

You don't mean black, you mean poor don't you?

That may be true of your average criminal that ends up taking a plea
for jail time but when it becomes a capital case there has been plenty
of representation for these people for the last 40-50 years. Otherwise
you would not have a 20-30 year appeals process.

Personally I would like to see the appeals process speeded up. It is
not unusual that people eventually can be found innocent if you let a
case get this cold. Evidence disappears, witnesses die, memories fade
and it becomes a lot easier to get reasonable doubt, even for the most
guilty person.

There's an easy answer to eliminate doubt: eliminate capital punishment.

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On 10/1/11 10:27 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Oct 1, 10:22 am, wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/30/11 8:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:14:57 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:32:22 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:59:06 -0400, X `
wrote:

Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry today blasted President
Obama?s decision to kill a terrorist in Yemen: ?There are plenty of
perfectly good people to execute right here in America," Perry said.

From Andy Borowitz

It is a valid point. The terrorist in Yemen is unlikely to ever kill
an American.

It is a stupid point. Have you been doing drugs? This guy was the most
articulate terrorist out there. His elimination probably cut into
their recruitment efforts by a considerable amount and THAT saved
American lives.

Yet you still condemn killing a guy who was convicted in court for
killing people in this country and that conviction survives decades of
appeals, any one of which would have set him free.
Are you saying you trust the CIA more than the American judicial
system?

Justice for a black guy in the south?snerk

Harry still thinks the south is the same as it was in the early
1900's....

No he doesn't.

That's correct. There have been some improvements in the quality of life
for people of color in the South but when it comes to the criminal
justice system, blacks accused of capital crimes are less likely than
whites to obtain a competent legal defense. In terms of criminal
justice, Southerners are much more bloodthirsty than non-Southern
Americans. Is it their fundamentalist christianity coming into play?

I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

The only thing keeping ANYONE from getting a decent defense is money.

X ` Man

On 10/1/11 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:40:47 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 10/1/11 10:27 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Oct 1, 10:22 am, wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/30/11 8:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:14:57 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:32:22 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:59:06 -0400, X `
wrote:

Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry today blasted President
Obama?s decision to kill a terrorist in Yemen: ?There are plenty of
perfectly good people to execute right here in America," Perry said.

From Andy Borowitz

It is a valid point. The terrorist in Yemen is unlikely to ever kill
an American.

It is a stupid point. Have you been doing drugs? This guy was the most
articulate terrorist out there. His elimination probably cut into
their recruitment efforts by a considerable amount and THAT saved
American lives.

Yet you still condemn killing a guy who was convicted in court for
killing people in this country and that conviction survives decades of
appeals, any one of which would have set him free.
Are you saying you trust the CIA more than the American judicial
system?

Justice for a black guy in the south?snerk

Harry still thinks the south is the same as it was in the early
1900's....

No he doesn't.

That's correct. There have been some improvements in the quality of life
for people of color in the South but when it comes to the criminal
justice system, blacks accused of capital crimes are less likely than
whites to obtain a competent legal defense. In terms of criminal
justice, Southerners are much more bloodthirsty than non-Southern
Americans. Is it their fundamentalist christianity coming into play?

What an utter and complete bull**** generalization.

States with the most executions since 1976:

Texas has had 475
Virginia, 109
Oklahoma, 96
Florida, 69
Missouri, 68
Alabama, 54
Georgia, 52
Ohio, 45
North Carolina, 43
South Carolina, 43
Louisiana, 28

Executions in large numbers are mostly a Southern thing. The government
of Missouri tried to secede. Oklahoma is as backwards a state as any of
those in the South.

Bloodthirsty. Fundamentalist. Executions.

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On 10/1/11 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:40:47 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 10/1/11 10:27 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Oct 1, 10:22 am, wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/30/11 8:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:14:57 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:32:22 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:59:06 -0400, X `
wrote:

Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry today blasted President
Obama?s decision to kill a terrorist in Yemen: ?There are plenty of
perfectly good people to execute right here in America," Perry said.

From Andy Borowitz

It is a valid point. The terrorist in Yemen is unlikely to ever kill
an American.

It is a stupid point. Have you been doing drugs? This guy was the most
articulate terrorist out there. His elimination probably cut into
their recruitment efforts by a considerable amount and THAT saved
American lives.

Yet you still condemn killing a guy who was convicted in court for
killing people in this country and that conviction survives decades of
appeals, any one of which would have set him free.
Are you saying you trust the CIA more than the American judicial
system?

Justice for a black guy in the south?snerk

Harry still thinks the south is the same as it was in the early
1900's....

No he doesn't.

That's correct. There have been some improvements in the quality of life
for people of color in the South but when it comes to the criminal
justice system, blacks accused of capital crimes are less likely than
whites to obtain a competent legal defense. In terms of criminal
justice, Southerners are much more bloodthirsty than non-Southern
Americans. Is it their fundamentalist christianity coming into play?

What an utter and complete bull**** generalization.

States with the most executions since 1976:

Texas has had 475
Virginia, 109
Oklahoma, 96
Florida, 69
Missouri, 68
Alabama, 54
Georgia, 52
Ohio, 45
North Carolina, 43
South Carolina, 43
Louisiana, 28

Executions in large numbers are mostly a Southern thing. The government
of Missouri tried to secede. Oklahoma is as backwards a state as any of
those in the South.

Bloodthirsty. Fundamentalist. Executions.

And this has WHAT to do with injustice towards blacks?

X ` Man

On 10/1/11 4:29 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:33:02 -0400, X `
wrote:

You don't mean black, you mean poor don't you?

That may be true of your average criminal that ends up taking a plea
for jail time but when it becomes a capital case there has been plenty
of representation for these people for the last 40-50 years. Otherwise
you would not have a 20-30 year appeals process.

Personally I would like to see the appeals process speeded up. It is
not unusual that people eventually can be found innocent if you let a
case get this cold. Evidence disappears, witnesses die, memories fade
and it becomes a lot easier to get reasonable doubt, even for the most
guilty person.

There's an easy answer to eliminate doubt: eliminate capital punishment.

Then you bump up against the other questions I have asked and are yet
unanswered.

#1
Where is the proportionality if you get the same sentence for running
a pot farm and getting caught a couple times as you get for being a
professional killer with 20 bodies on you?

For that matter you can get life for running a stock scam, like
Bernie.

#2
What is the punishment for a lifer who keeps killing people in prison?

#3
Why shouldn't a robber just kill all of his victims? Fewer witnesses,
potentially the same punishment if he already has a record.

Countries more civilized than the United States have done away with
capital punishment.

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

X ` Man

On 10/1/11 4:45 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 13:06:20 -0400, X `
wrote:

States with the most executions since 1976:

Texas has had 475
Virginia, 109
Oklahoma, 96
Florida, 69
Missouri, 68
Alabama, 54
Georgia, 52
Ohio, 45
North Carolina, 43
South Carolina, 43
Louisiana, 28

Executions in large numbers are mostly a Southern thing. The government
of Missouri tried to secede. Oklahoma is as backwards a state as any of
those in the South.

Bloodthirsty. Fundamentalist. Executions.

If you toss Texas as the runaway "hang'm high" state the worst one on
the list is Virginia, far from a southern state. Most of the
population basically lives in the DC metro area. They are blue and
host the richest city (Falls Church) and the 2 richest counties
(Fairfax and Loudoun) in the US..
When you also factor in population, they are almost as bad as Texas
and blow out a state like Florida that has 2.5 times the population
and about 60% of the number of executions.
So much for the idea that this is just a terra cotta tooth redneck
thing.

Uh, Virginia *is* a Southern state. The capital of the confederacy was
in Richmond for most of the war. I agree that parts of Northern Virginia
are blue. Virginia, however, elected two right-wing crackpots this last
go-around as governor and attorney general. The states that execute the
most people are in the South, for the most part. Period. Progressive
states have few, if any, executions, regardless of population.

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

TopBassDog

On Sep 30, 8:59*am, X ` Man wrote:
Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry today blasted President
Obama’s decision to kill a terrorist in Yemen: “There are plenty of
perfectly good people to execute right here in America," Perry said.

*From Andy Borowitz

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

Goose-stepping with Andy, eh Krause?

X ` Man

On 10/1/11 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:35:21 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 10/1/11 4:29 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:33:02 -0400, X `
wrote:

You don't mean black, you mean poor don't you?

That may be true of your average criminal that ends up taking a plea
for jail time but when it becomes a capital case there has been plenty
of representation for these people for the last 40-50 years. Otherwise
you would not have a 20-30 year appeals process.

Personally I would like to see the appeals process speeded up. It is
not unusual that people eventually can be found innocent if you let a
case get this cold. Evidence disappears, witnesses die, memories fade
and it becomes a lot easier to get reasonable doubt, even for the most
guilty person.

There's an easy answer to eliminate doubt: eliminate capital punishment.

Then you bump up against the other questions I have asked and are yet
unanswered.

#1
Where is the proportionality if you get the same sentence for running
a pot farm and getting caught a couple times as you get for being a
professional killer with 20 bodies on you?

For that matter you can get life for running a stock scam, like
Bernie.

#2
What is the punishment for a lifer who keeps killing people in prison?

#3
Why shouldn't a robber just kill all of his victims? Fewer witnesses,
potentially the same punishment if he already has a record.

Countries more civilized than the United States have done away with
capital punishment.

They have more civilized criminals. What did Sweden have? 50 murders
last year? Maybe a half dozen were heinous enough to qualify for the
death penalty in Texas.
Send our death row inmates over to Sweden and lets see how long it
will take until they want to kill them. For that matter just let them
deal with a couple hundred of our "triple life or more" gang bangers
in their prison system

A bit over the edge there on sophistry, eh, fella?

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

X ` Man

On 10/1/11 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:58:21 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 10/1/11 4:45 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 13:06:20 -0400, X `
wrote:

States with the most executions since 1976:

Texas has had 475
Virginia, 109
Oklahoma, 96
Florida, 69
Missouri, 68
Alabama, 54
Georgia, 52
Ohio, 45
North Carolina, 43
South Carolina, 43
Louisiana, 28

Executions in large numbers are mostly a Southern thing. The government
of Missouri tried to secede. Oklahoma is as backwards a state as any of
those in the South.

Bloodthirsty. Fundamentalist. Executions.

If you toss Texas as the runaway "hang'm high" state the worst one on
the list is Virginia, far from a southern state. Most of the
population basically lives in the DC metro area. They are blue and
host the richest city (Falls Church) and the 2 richest counties
(Fairfax and Loudoun) in the US..
When you also factor in population, they are almost as bad as Texas
and blow out a state like Florida that has 2.5 times the population
and about 60% of the number of executions.
So much for the idea that this is just a terra cotta tooth redneck
thing.

Uh, Virginia *is* a Southern state. The capital of the confederacy was
in Richmond for most of the war. I agree that parts of Northern Virginia
are blue. Virginia, however, elected two right-wing crackpots this last
go-around as governor and attorney general. The states that execute the
most people are in the South, for the most part. Period. Progressive
states have few, if any, executions, regardless of population.

Virginia is basically DC. The civil war was a long time ago. Where you
live was tobacco plantations during the civil war.
Ohio was on your list and that is about as north as you can get. It is
right across the lake from Canada.

I said executions were "mostly" a southern thing. That would allow the
inclusion of Ohio.

I don't buy your posit on Virginia. It is still a southern state.

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

X ` Man

On 10/1/11 10:45 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 21:43:44 -0400, X `
wrote:

Virginia is basically DC. The civil war was a long time ago. Where you
live was tobacco plantations during the civil war.
Ohio was on your list and that is about as north as you can get. It is
right across the lake from Canada.

I said executions were "mostly" a southern thing. That would allow the
inclusion of Ohio.

I don't buy your posit on Virginia. It is still a southern state.

Virginia is a southern state in the same way Maryland is a southern
state. It is south of the Mason Dixon line.
Politically it is DC, at least where most of the people live. The
reason it leans a bit more right than Montgomery County is because of
the military influence. I imagine DoD in Virginia's biggest employer.
(The pentagon, the Norfolk Yorktown Newport News defendoplex, Ft
Belvoir, AP Hill and a couple dozen other installations across the
state).

Virginia left the union during the civil war. Maryland did not. And
there is a lot more to Virginia than the military installations along
its eastern border areas. I don't see how Virginia is DC politically, as
you claim. DC might elect a crackhead mayor like Marion Barry, but it
wouldn't elect a crackpot governor or attorney general, as Virginia did
the last go-around. Oh, and Virginia still executes a lot of prisoners.
Maryland does not. Executions are mostly a southern thing.

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

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