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three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:18:15 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 20:04:49 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:10:40 -0400, wrote: We really need to find something we can export so we can get some of our money coming back here. Companies like GE, IBM, John Deere, Caterpillar, Honeywell, Johnson Controls, Beckman Instruments, Boeing, United Technologies, etc., are all manufacturing and exporting like crazy, but you can't export what the world doesn't need. Caterpillar is building their equipment in China, as is IBM. I can't speak to the other companies but I bet if you look at the boxes the parts come from it won't say made in the USA. The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports. Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import. The technology and product have to be unique, and the price has to be right. Our best and brightest are studying to be lawyers and investment bankers however, my kids included. My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor, trying to save the environment and he is switching sides. As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick one" So, your son quit. Feel free to promote him as a chip off the old block. Engineers and scientists have not been rewarded in proportion to their education, skills and contribution and that is taking a toll. H1Bs are hurting that a lot but the real problem is Dilbert's cubicle can be anywhere in the world these days. My son in law's sister is doing OK as a PE but she has the stamp. H1Bs are NOT hurting a lot. More nonsense xenophobia dredged up by the right. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:20:26 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 19:09:36 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:10:40 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:32:49 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 05/09/2011 1:25 PM, wrote: Yup that is scary. Look at the crash since the end of the housing bubble. There isn't even a significant bump since the end of 2008. All the housing boom did was flatten the curve a little. It has really been falling since the end of the tech bubble. http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000 Liable to get worse too. Bernanke will print more money, creating more hidden inflation, people will acquire less stuff, so fewer jobs are needed. Pretty good chance like Japan's lost decades this will continue for the foreseeable future. I hope you are wrong but I am having a hard time seeing what is going to make this better. Building roads and bridges will put a few people to work but we are buying machines from Asia to do it and we will have to print the money to pay the operators. We really need to find something we can export so we can get some of our money coming back here. I do understand there are orders coming in for the F-35 JSF already. If we were not selling weapons we would be in worse shape than we are but I am not sure that is the best thing to do in the long run. They seem to get aimed at us more often than we would like. I hope we are at least putting a trojan horse in the software so we can crash them if we need to. I believe we exported something on the order of $1.5T last year or the year before. As usual, you're just paranoid. ... and we imported $2.5T More like $2T, but in any case, it doesn't "far exceed" exports. Try again. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On 9/6/2011 11:26 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/6/11 10:22 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote: My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor, trying to save the environment and he is switching sides. As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick one" That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful. http://ncsss.cua.edu/degree-field/phd/2011grads.cfm Harry, tell us about your beautiful young bride. Not a pleasant looking face in the bunch. I counted 4 chins on the red head with the fake smile. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 08:53:49 -0400, John H
wrote: On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 20:24:44 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:46:40 -0400, John H wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:06:20 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 12:58:59 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 03/09/2011 11:41 AM, wrote: http://www.truth-out.org/three-chart...law/1314626142 Federal spending dramatically increased under former president, George W. Bush and it has not increased much under President Obama. Look closer at the chart fleabagger. It was 2007 once the democrat 2006 congress debt lovers and Bernanke money print took right off. Also right about the time unemployment rose with government debt and overspending. DC has been running on bull**** and fraud ever since. And Obama shovels more debt and bull**** than all before him. Fact is ass holes like you vote for fleabaggers that has ruined the USA. Did Bush have a veto? Over continuing resolutions? Which ones? Any. Your hero Bush! He screwed up the economy, but that's ok with you. He's white. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On 9/6/11 2:15 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:04:00 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:09:02 -0400, wrote: The Mexicans are in competition with a lot of anglos tho, including more than a few college grads. Sure. Blame Mexicans. I'm sure that fits in your xenophobia quite nicely. Who blamed anyone? you really are trolling here. You said "The Mexicans are in competition with a lot of anglos". Do you deny typing that? You're the one who's trolling. That is not complaining, it is just stating a fact. If I was hiring I would probably hire the Mexican. They work harder and are not as affected by the heat. The point is that you are not propping up the economy with lawn mowing jobs Without those lawnmowing jobs, several right-wing posters here would have to rely on their food stamps alone. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On 9/6/11 2:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:34 -0700, wrote: The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports. Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import. Read what I wrote again "The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports." It is easy to say I am wrong if you can't ****ing read. Using your numbers ($700B more in imports) I think 153% is "far exceeded". Speaking of exports versus imports, I happened to be at a big box home and hardware store recently and was looking at washing machines. I didn't look at every single machine or every box in the display of shipping cartons there, but I looked at at least 20...and not one machine there, no matter the brand, was manufactured in the USA. I'm not saying there are no washing machines still manufactured in the USA, because not every brand was represented at the store, but many, many brands were. Kind of a sad commentary. Some of the best-finished machines I looked at were manufactured in Korea. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On 9/6/2011 2:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:34 -0700, wrote: The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports. Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import. Read what I wrote again "The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports." It is easy to say I am wrong if you can't ****ing read. Using your numbers ($700B more in imports) I think 153% is "far exceeded". Now Greg, watch the language... You will blow your chance of being known as "the Saint of the lonely Trolls"... ;) |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:15:58 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:04:00 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:09:02 -0400, wrote: The Mexicans are in competition with a lot of anglos tho, including more than a few college grads. Sure. Blame Mexicans. I'm sure that fits in your xenophobia quite nicely. Who blamed anyone? you really are trolling here. You said "The Mexicans are in competition with a lot of anglos". Do you deny typing that? You're the one who's trolling. That is not complaining, it is just stating a fact. If I was hiring I would probably hire the Mexican. They work harder and are not as affected by the heat. The point is that you are not propping up the economy with lawn mowing jobs Really? So, who exactly is "the Mexican"? Do you mean someone who looks Hispanic? The point is that there are plenty of gardeners who aren't Hispanic and this has nothing to do with Green Jobs. Of course, you continue your trolling with half-truths and false equivalencies in the hope of bolstering your flawed "research." |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:39:27 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:34 -0700, wrote: The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports. Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import. Read what I wrote again "The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports." It is easy to say I am wrong if you can't ****ing read. Using your numbers ($700B more in imports) I think 153% is "far exceeded". My apologies. I'm just used to you muddling the facts when you try to make your "****ing" arguments. Thanks for being civil. As I said, there an imbalance, but it's not out of line historically, as per 2002. http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_m...deDeficit.html Try again. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:41:26 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:09:43 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:20:26 -0400, wrote: I believe we exported something on the order of $1.5T last year or the year before. As usual, you're just paranoid. ... and we imported $2.5T More like $2T, but in any case, it doesn't "far exceed" exports. Try again. It depends on what period we are talking about doesn't it. I was trying to find one that matched your $1.5T No it doesn't. See my other post if you "****ing" don't mind. |
three chins for Karen Grear
On 9/6/11 12:10 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 9/6/2011 11:26 AM, Your Name Here wrote: On 9/6/11 10:22 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote: My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor, trying to save the environment and he is switching sides. As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick one" That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful. http://ncsss.cua.edu/degree-field/phd/2011grads.cfm Harry, tell us about your beautiful young bride. Not a pleasant looking face in the bunch. I counted 4 chins on the red head with the fake smile. Yup, I guess Harry figures that was the best he had ever had, so she must be beautiful. Damn Dr. Karen Grear is a dog. I wonder when she is going to finish the rest of her Dr. Dr. degrees. |
three chins for Karen Grear
On 9/6/2011 3:41 PM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/6/11 12:10 PM, BeachBum wrote: On 9/6/2011 11:26 AM, Your Name Here wrote: On 9/6/11 10:22 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote: My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor, trying to save the environment and he is switching sides. As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick one" That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful. http://ncsss.cua.edu/degree-field/phd/2011grads.cfm Harry, tell us about your beautiful young bride. Not a pleasant looking face in the bunch. I counted 4 chins on the red head with the fake smile. Yup, I guess Harry figures that was the best he had ever had, so she must be beautiful. Damn Dr. Karen Grear is a dog. I wonder when she is going to finish the rest of her Dr. Dr. degrees. A little harsh on the old gal, aren't you? |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On 9/6/2011 3:29 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:41:26 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:09:43 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:20:26 -0400, wrote: I believe we exported something on the order of $1.5T last year or the year before. As usual, you're just paranoid. ... and we imported $2.5T More like $2T, but in any case, it doesn't "far exceed" exports. Try again. It depends on what period we are talking about doesn't it. I was trying to find one that matched your $1.5T No it doesn't. See my other post if you "****ing" don't mind. Yknow dummy. if you keep tipping your hand to Greg, He's just going to drive the knife deeper and twist it. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On 9/6/11 4:01 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 9/6/2011 3:29 PM, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:41:26 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:09:43 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:20:26 -0400, wrote: I believe we exported something on the order of $1.5T last year or the year before. As usual, you're just paranoid. ... and we imported $2.5T More like $2T, but in any case, it doesn't "far exceed" exports. Try again. It depends on what period we are talking about doesn't it. I was trying to find one that matched your $1.5T No it doesn't. See my other post if you "****ing" don't mind. Yknow dummy. if you keep tipping your hand to Greg, He's just going to drive the knife deeper and twist it. Did you even graduate from high school, jimbobboy? -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
three chins for Karen Grear
On 9/6/11 3:57 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 9/6/2011 3:41 PM, Your Name Here wrote: On 9/6/11 12:10 PM, BeachBum wrote: On 9/6/2011 11:26 AM, Your Name Here wrote: On 9/6/11 10:22 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote: My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor, trying to save the environment and he is switching sides. As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick one" That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful. http://ncsss.cua.edu/degree-field/phd/2011grads.cfm Harry, tell us about your beautiful young bride. Not a pleasant looking face in the bunch. I counted 4 chins on the red head with the fake smile. Yup, I guess Harry figures that was the best he had ever had, so she must be beautiful. Damn Dr. Karen Grear is a dog. I wonder when she is going to finish the rest of her Dr. Dr. degrees. A little harsh on the old gal, aren't you? Well, we have been told for many years about his young beautiful bride, we it is hard to believe, but he lied about that also. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 16:02:22 -0400, X ` Man
wrote: On 9/6/11 4:01 PM, BeachBum wrote: On 9/6/2011 3:29 PM, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:41:26 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:09:43 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:20:26 -0400, wrote: I believe we exported something on the order of $1.5T last year or the year before. As usual, you're just paranoid. ... and we imported $2.5T More like $2T, but in any case, it doesn't "far exceed" exports. Try again. It depends on what period we are talking about doesn't it. I was trying to find one that matched your $1.5T No it doesn't. See my other post if you "****ing" don't mind. Yknow dummy. if you keep tipping your hand to Greg, He's just going to drive the knife deeper and twist it. Did you even graduate from high school, jimbobboy? It's all about violence for the crazies on the right. Against women, against children, against people of color, against anyone who doesn't believe exactly what they believe. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On 06/09/2011 1:28 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:39:27 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:34 -0700, wrote: The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports. Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import. Read what I wrote again "The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports." It is easy to say I am wrong if you can't ****ing read. Using your numbers ($700B more in imports) I think 153% is "far exceeded". My apologies. I'm just used to you muddling the facts when you try to make your "****ing" arguments. Thanks for being civil. As I said, there an imbalance, but it's not out of line historically, as per 2002. http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_m...deDeficit.html Try again. Good charts, but unfortunately you don't know how to read them. Fact is no one wants US **** unless it is much cheaper. Your economy is massively over priced and over valued by at least 300%. What that means for you is USA is going to have a depreciating economy with 300% inflation for at least the foreseeable future. Which will put China as the economic #1 super power. Make it cheaper, better and faster, or go out of business. Union and entitlement rant or not isn't going to supersede the facts. USA no longer has the edge in the world economy. If your digging a ditch in Nairobi, or Afghanistan to Jakarta, why buy over prices often inferior American? USA has lost its edge, and mortgaging the nation to debt slavery to keep up appearances. Zimbabwe tried it, so did Argentina, Iceland, Greece..... But sooner or later the bull**** will fail. -- First rule of holes: If your in one, don't keep digging. So in the hole, why do we insanely want more debt? |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:20:54 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 06/09/2011 1:28 PM, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:39:27 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:34 -0700, wrote: The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports. Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import. Read what I wrote again "The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports." It is easy to say I am wrong if you can't ****ing read. Using your numbers ($700B more in imports) I think 153% is "far exceeded". My apologies. I'm just used to you muddling the facts when you try to make your "****ing" arguments. Thanks for being civil. As I said, there an imbalance, but it's not out of line historically, as per 2002. http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_m...deDeficit.html Try again. Good charts, but unfortunately you don't know how to read them. Fact is no one wants US **** unless it is much cheaper. Your economy is massively over priced and over valued by at least 300%. What that means for you is USA is going to have a depreciating economy with 300% inflation for at least the foreseeable future. Which will put China as the economic #1 super power. Make it cheaper, better and faster, or go out of business. Union and entitlement rant or not isn't going to supersede the facts. USA no longer has the edge in the world economy. If your digging a ditch in Nairobi, or Afghanistan to Jakarta, why buy over prices often inferior American? USA has lost its edge, and mortgaging the nation to debt slavery to keep up appearances. Zimbabwe tried it, so did Argentina, Iceland, Greece..... But sooner or later the bull**** will fail. They are great charts... to bad you're too stupid to figure out what they're saying. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On 06/09/2011 5:29 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:20:54 -0600, wrote: On 06/09/2011 1:28 PM, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:39:27 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:34 -0700, wrote: The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports. Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import. Read what I wrote again "The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports." It is easy to say I am wrong if you can't ****ing read. Using your numbers ($700B more in imports) I think 153% is "far exceeded". My apologies. I'm just used to you muddling the facts when you try to make your "****ing" arguments. Thanks for being civil. As I said, there an imbalance, but it's not out of line historically, as per 2002. http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_m...deDeficit.html Try again. Good charts, but unfortunately you don't know how to read them. Fact is no one wants US **** unless it is much cheaper. Your economy is massively over priced and over valued by at least 300%. What that means for you is USA is going to have a depreciating economy with 300% inflation for at least the foreseeable future. Which will put China as the economic #1 super power. Make it cheaper, better and faster, or go out of business. Union and entitlement rant or not isn't going to supersede the facts. USA no longer has the edge in the world economy. If your digging a ditch in Nairobi, or Afghanistan to Jakarta, why buy over prices often inferior American? USA has lost its edge, and mortgaging the nation to debt slavery to keep up appearances. Zimbabwe tried it, so did Argentina, Iceland, Greece..... But sooner or later the bull**** will fail. They are great charts... to bad you're too stupid to figure out what they're saying. Numb-de-plum Polly want a cracker? -- First rule of holes: If your in one, don't keep digging. So in the hole, why do we insanely want more debt? |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:21:41 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 12:28:20 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:39:27 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:34 -0700, wrote: The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports. Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import. Read what I wrote again "The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports." It is easy to say I am wrong if you can't ****ing read. Using your numbers ($700B more in imports) I think 153% is "far exceeded". My apologies. I'm just used to you muddling the facts when you try to make your "****ing" arguments. Thanks for being civil. As I said, there an imbalance, but it's not out of line historically, as per 2002. http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_m...deDeficit.html Try again. When did I say this was a recent problem? You do notice when the current slide really started tho. (1997-1998) You didn't, but you implied that it somehow has to be fixed immediately. It doesn't. It's a long term problem that needs long term solutions. The short term problem is unemployment, which is easily fixed if the Republicans were actually interested in anything more than the next election. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 01:25:02 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 18:38:48 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:21:41 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 12:28:20 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:39:27 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:34 -0700, wrote: The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports. Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import. Read what I wrote again "The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports." It is easy to say I am wrong if you can't ****ing read. Using your numbers ($700B more in imports) I think 153% is "far exceeded". My apologies. I'm just used to you muddling the facts when you try to make your "****ing" arguments. Thanks for being civil. As I said, there an imbalance, but it's not out of line historically, as per 2002. http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_m...deDeficit.html Try again. When did I say this was a recent problem? You do notice when the current slide really started tho. (1997-1998) You didn't, but you implied that it somehow has to be fixed immediately. It doesn't. It's a long term problem that needs long term solutions. The short term problem is unemployment, which is easily fixed if the Republicans were actually interested in anything more than the next election. Easily fixed? You better call Washington because I have not seen any easy fixes coming from them. This "infrastructure" thing is just ****ing on the fire. FDR and Hoover did infrastructure projects for 10 years and we still had a hell of a depression 10 years later. No, Hoover did it in 1930 for a few years. Then, he pulled back, restricted the money supply, etc. FDR did infrastructure also, but pulled back on it too soon. FDR's infrastructure projects reduced unemployment significantly, and they would if continued have eventually got us out of the Depression. As usual, there's no comparison between the Depression and what's going on now. But, that doesn't stop you from making it a comparison to deny the fact that we need a massive, gov't instigated jobs program. Now if we just could trick the rest of the world into blowing themselves up in a war that does not touch us like FDR did for his great success we would be able to recreate our success of the 50s and 60s. As I said, you're mixing two different things, which seems to be your style. The post war Americans were born on 3d base and think they hit a triple. No idea what this is supposed to mean. Some kind of put down for people who worked hard between the end of the war and now? |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Sep 7, 3:09*am, wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 01:25:02 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 18:38:48 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:21:41 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 12:28:20 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:39:27 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:34 -0700, wrote: The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports. Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import. Read what I wrote again "The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports." It is easy to say I am wrong if you can't ****ing read. Using your numbers ($700B more in imports) I think 153% is "far exceeded". My apologies. I'm just used to you muddling the facts when you try to make your "****ing" arguments. Thanks for being civil. As I said, there an imbalance, but it's not out of line historically, as per 2002. http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_m...deDeficit.html Try again. When did I say this was a recent problem? You do notice when the current slide really started tho. (1997-1998) You didn't, but you implied that it somehow has to be fixed immediately. It doesn't. It's a long term problem that needs long term solutions. The short term problem is unemployment, which is easily fixed if the Republicans were actually interested in anything more than the next election. Easily fixed? You better call Washington because I have not seen any easy fixes coming from them. This "infrastructure" thing is just ****ing on the fire. FDR and Hoover did infrastructure projects for 10 years and we still had a hell of a depression 10 years later. No, Hoover did it in 1930 for a few years. Then, he pulled back, restricted the money supply, etc. FDR did infrastructure also, but pulled back on it too soon. FDR's infrastructure projects reduced unemployment significantly, and they would if continued have eventually got us out of the Depression. As usual, there's no comparison between the Depression and what's going on now. But, that doesn't stop you from making it a comparison to deny the fact that we need a massive, gov't instigated jobs program. Now if we just could trick the rest of the world into blowing themselves up in a war that does not touch us like FDR did for his great success we would be able to recreate our success of the 50s and 60s. As I said, you're mixing two different things, which seems to be your style. The post war Americans were born on 3d base and think they hit a triple. No idea what this is supposed to mean. Some kind of put down for people who worked hard between the end of the war and now? Of course you don't know what it means, D'Plume. You didn't have to have a brain to goose-step to the Obama drum. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:47:59 -0400, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/6/11 2:39 PM, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:34 -0700, wrote: The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports. Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import. Read what I wrote again "The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports." It is easy to say I am wrong if you can't ****ing read. Using your numbers ($700B more in imports) I think 153% is "far exceeded". Speaking of exports versus imports, I happened to be at a big box home and hardware store recently and was looking at washing machines. I didn't look at every single machine or every box in the display of shipping cartons there, but I looked at at least 20...and not one machine there, no matter the brand, was manufactured in the USA. I'm not saying there are no washing machines still manufactured in the USA, because not every brand was represented at the store, but many, many brands were. Kind of a sad commentary. Some of the best-finished machines I looked at were manufactured in Korea. The ones with the union label no longer exist. |
three chins for Karen Grear
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:41:18 -0400, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/6/11 12:10 PM, BeachBum wrote: On 9/6/2011 11:26 AM, Your Name Here wrote: On 9/6/11 10:22 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote: My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor, trying to save the environment and he is switching sides. As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick one" That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful. http://ncsss.cua.edu/degree-field/phd/2011grads.cfm Harry, tell us about your beautiful young bride. Not a pleasant looking face in the bunch. I counted 4 chins on the red head with the fake smile. Yup, I guess Harry figures that was the best he had ever had, so she must be beautiful. Damn Dr. Karen Grear is a dog. I wonder when she is going to finish the rest of her Dr. Dr. degrees. See Wayne's comment above. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On 9/7/11 9:31 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:47:59 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/6/11 2:39 PM, wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:34 -0700, wrote: The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports. Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import. Read what I wrote again "The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports." It is easy to say I am wrong if you can't ****ing read. Using your numbers ($700B more in imports) I think 153% is "far exceeded". Speaking of exports versus imports, I happened to be at a big box home and hardware store recently and was looking at washing machines. I didn't look at every single machine or every box in the display of shipping cartons there, but I looked at at least 20...and not one machine there, no matter the brand, was manufactured in the USA. I'm not saying there are no washing machines still manufactured in the USA, because not every brand was represented at the store, but many, many brands were. Kind of a sad commentary. Some of the best-finished machines I looked at were manufactured in Korea. The ones with the union label no longer exist. As a matter of fact, you are wrong. Many appliances manufactured abroad are built by unionized workers. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
three chins for Karen Grear
On 9/7/11 9:40 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:41:18 -0400, Your Name wrote: On 9/6/11 12:10 PM, BeachBum wrote: On 9/6/2011 11:26 AM, Your Name Here wrote: On 9/6/11 10:22 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote: My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor, trying to save the environment and he is switching sides. As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick one" That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful. http://ncsss.cua.edu/degree-field/phd/2011grads.cfm Harry, tell us about your beautiful young bride. Not a pleasant looking face in the bunch. I counted 4 chins on the red head with the fake smile. Yup, I guess Harry figures that was the best he had ever had, so she must be beautiful. Damn Dr. Karen Grear is a dog. I wonder when she is going to finish the rest of her Dr. Dr. degrees. See Wayne's comment above. I don't understand why you are concerned, Harry definitely isn't concerned, he brings up his wife on a regular basis. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On 9/7/2011 12:40 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 01:09:10 -0700, wrote: No that is only to indicate why we somehow think we are invincible and nothing bad could ever happen to us. We have 3 generations of people who have never actually had anything bad happen to them. You are certainly one of those in denial that anything bad could happen when we keep printing money and sending it offshore. She is a benefactor of the cloudless Obama sky. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On 9/7/2011 12:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:41:37 -0700, wrote: http://www.truth-out.org/three-chart...law/1314626142 Federal spending dramatically increased under former president, George W. Bush and it has not increased much under President Obama. How about this graphic from MSNBC http://gfretwell.com/ftp/msnbc%20on%20jobs.jpg No wonder his photo looks like he just ate a sour pickle. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:40:18 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 01:09:10 -0700, wrote: Easily fixed? You better call Washington because I have not seen any easy fixes coming from them. This "infrastructure" thing is just ****ing on the fire. FDR and Hoover did infrastructure projects for 10 years and we still had a hell of a depression 10 years later. No, Hoover did it in 1930 for a few years. Then, he pulled back, restricted the money supply, etc. FDR did infrastructure also, but pulled back on it too soon. FDR's infrastructure projects reduced unemployment significantly, and they would if continued have eventually got us out of the Depression. Bull****. The war got us out of the depression. Yes, the war did. However, FDR's programs would have if he didn't pull back on them. Read up. As usual, there's no comparison between the Depression and what's going on now. But, that doesn't stop you from making it a comparison to deny the fact that we need a massive, gov't instigated jobs program. A massive jobs program still will not get our money back from overseas and that is the root of our problems. That is a LONG TERM problem. We have a SHORT TERM job problem. Try again. Now if we just could trick the rest of the world into blowing themselves up in a war that does not touch us like FDR did for his great success we would be able to recreate our success of the 50s and 60s. As I said, you're mixing two different things, which seems to be your style. Not at all, you were talking about what ended the depression. Nope. I wasn't. I was talking about programs that worked during the Depression. The post war Americans were born on 3d base and think they hit a triple. No idea what this is supposed to mean. Some kind of put down for people who worked hard between the end of the war and now? No that is only to indicate why we somehow think we are invincible and nothing bad could ever happen to us. We have 3 generations of people who have never actually had anything bad happen to them. Really? Nothing? You can't think of a single thing, say in the last 10 years? Try to come out of your hole once every decade. The air is fine! :-) You are certainly one of those in denial that anything bad could happen when we keep printing money and sending it offshore. As usual, you deliberately mis-read what I said. See above under LONG TERM vs. SHORT TERM. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:57:14 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:41:37 -0700, wrote: http://www.truth-out.org/three-chart...law/1314626142 Federal spending dramatically increased under former president, George W. Bush and it has not increased much under President Obama. How about this graphic from MSNBC http://gfretwell.com/ftp/msnbc%20on%20jobs.jpg Nice. I like it. Clinton more than Reagan.. same number of years in office, including an impeachment. Bush (I and II) a whopping 3M each in the same time period. Obama neg. for 1/2 of one term. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On 9/7/2011 1:57 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:57:14 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:41:37 -0700, wrote: http://www.truth-out.org/three-chart...law/1314626142 Federal spending dramatically increased under former president, George W. Bush and it has not increased much under President Obama. How about this graphic from MSNBC http://gfretwell.com/ftp/msnbc%20on%20jobs.jpg Nice. I like it. Clinton more than Reagan.. same number of years in office, including an impeachment. Bush (I and II) a whopping 3M each in the same time period. Obama neg. for 1/2 of one term. DePlume Pats O on the back for killing jobs. She is a strange duck. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 15:37:45 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 10:55:31 -0700, wrote: No that is only to indicate why we somehow think we are invincible and nothing bad could ever happen to us. We have 3 generations of people who have never actually had anything bad happen to them. Really? Nothing? You can't think of a single thing, say in the last 10 years? Try to come out of your hole once every decade. The air is fine! :-) You don't really understand bad things yourself evidently. What has happened that even compares to the depression or the national sacrifices we had during WWII? ... Nothing Depends on your definition of bad things. When millions lose there homes and their jobs, that's pretty bad. Was the Depression a bad thing? What about the VN or Korean wars? Were they bad? If so, compared to what? Those were still just minor blips compared to the bad things that can happen. You assume that just because things have been great for the two or three dozen years you have been on the planet that it will always be great. You must not have taken much history in school. Two or three dozen? I'll take that as a compliment. :) Would I have had to fight and be injured or killing in any of the previous wars? No. Did people die in Iraq/Afg.? Yes. You still keep saying we don't have to do anything yet. When are we going to start? Legitimate question. Answer: After we get people working and the economy moving again. People like you want us to crush our economy right now because of global warming that won't have any significant effect for 100 years but you are not willing to do anything about the debt and entitlement problem that will crush us in 20. Huh? I didn't say anything about global warming. And, since you mention it, it's a short- to long-term problem. Of course, if you deny it's happening and human caused, then there's not much I can say. If you don't deny it, then we need to do something NOW about it. That can be done and help the economy both in the short-, medium-, and long-term. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 15:38:20 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 10:57:55 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:57:14 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:41:37 -0700, wrote: http://www.truth-out.org/three-chart...law/1314626142 Federal spending dramatically increased under former president, George W. Bush and it has not increased much under President Obama. How about this graphic from MSNBC http://gfretwell.com/ftp/msnbc%20on%20jobs.jpg Nice. I like it. Clinton more than Reagan.. same number of years in office, including an impeachment. Bush (I and II) a whopping 3M each in the same time period. Obama neg. for 1/2 of one term. It sure demonstrates your chart is bull****. How is that? It shows that more jobs were created during Clinton's presidency than Reagan and both Bush's combined. It also shows how damaging Bush II was to the economy. Digging into the numbers reveals that we could have been much worse off (Obama's "job" numbers) if we hadn't done TARP (starting under Bush) and the Stim. So, basically, they're two different things, and neither is "bull****." |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
North Star wrote:
On Sep 5, 8:02 pm, X ` wrote: On 9/5/11 6:34 PM, BeachBum wrote: On 9/5/2011 5:26 PM, wrote: On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 16:59:39 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 15:54:42 -0400, BeachBum"not a wrote: On 9/5/2011 3:25 PM, wrote: On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 09:56:01 -0400, BeachBum"not a wrote: On 9/5/2011 1:23 AM, wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 21:18:25 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:42:21 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 11:33:39 -0700, wrote: The fact is, unemployment was 7.3% on 1/1/09 and it is 9.1% now. BLS says there was no net job creation last month. I am not sure what data they cherry picked to create those charts. They're called facts. Those are the things that were "cherry picked." You have a chart showing job growth and unemployment went up 13.14% (For the math challenged, 9.1 - 7.3 = 1.8 7.3/1.8 = 13.14%) You have to be very careful to reject a lot of facts and only use the ones that result in your agenda, AKA "cherry picking", to produce that chart. I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers, but the chart in question clearly shows that job growth has been pretty steadily climbing since Jan. 09. No "unemployment" numbers chart was included, so you're getting that from somewhere else. That's fine, but there is likely only a correlation between job growth and unemployment not a causation effect. As I said, these three charts are hard to dispute. So far, you haven't been very successful in doing so. Job growth is not keeping up with population growth but if you actually did "tons of research"(or any research at all) you would know that. Instead you just post things you get in an Email and call them facts. http://metricmash.com/unemployment.a...de=LNS13327709 If you look at Labor force participation rate you will see some surprising statistics. Yup that is scary. Look at the crash since the end of the housing bubble. There isn't even a significant bump since the end of 2008. All the housing boom did was flatten the curve a little. It has really been falling since the end of the tech bubble. http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000 Look at this. It shows that Latinos employment ratio is the highest. Even with the lack of new housing starts. http://metricmash.com/unemployment.a...de=LNS13327709 That is because they will go for those "Green Jobs". The houses may get foreclosed on but that grass keeps on growing and the county makes the bank mow it. The Mexicans are in competition with a lot of anglos tho, including more than a few college grads. Sure. Blame Mexicans. I'm sure that fits in your xenophobia quite nicely. Well they did put you out of work at the car wash. A mop and a bucket retired you from the navy. .... and none too soon, from what I hear. Where do you hear these things, silly? In your little head? -HB http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_831278.html |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 02:18:02 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 13:44:48 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 15:38:20 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 10:57:55 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:57:14 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:41:37 -0700, wrote: http://www.truth-out.org/three-chart...law/1314626142 Federal spending dramatically increased under former president, George W. Bush and it has not increased much under President Obama. How about this graphic from MSNBC http://gfretwell.com/ftp/msnbc%20on%20jobs.jpg Nice. I like it. Clinton more than Reagan.. same number of years in office, including an impeachment. Bush (I and II) a whopping 3M each in the same time period. Obama neg. for 1/2 of one term. It sure demonstrates your chart is bull****. How is that? It shows that more jobs were created during Clinton's presidency than Reagan and both Bush's combined. It also shows how damaging Bush II was to the economy. Digging into the numbers reveals that we could have been much worse off (Obama's "job" numbers) if we hadn't done TARP (starting under Bush) and the Stim. So, basically, they're two different things, and neither is "bull****." You were trying to show the great success of Obama's "recovery" and the abject failure of Bush but Bush netted 3 million jobs created and Obama lost 3 million. Clinton and Reagan were not on that chart http://www.flickr.com/photos/davecjohnson/6088811219/ No, I wasn't. I was showing the facts. Are you going to claim that the job growth listed is untrue? If so, show some facts. Feel free to continue to defend the worst president in history. Here are some other facts: He got the memo about bin laden's plan, and his only comment was "now you've covered your ass." He was frozen like a deer in the headlights when he learned about the attacks, and he couldn't even figure out that maybe it was time to figure out what exactly was going on. He attacked a country under false pretenses, approved torture, and told everyone to go shopping. He was away from the White House 1/3 of both terms in office. He ruined the US economy, and damaged our standing in the world. |
three charts for Republicans who are not crazy
On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 19:29:14 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 10:26:44 -0700, wrote: You were trying to show the great success of Obama's "recovery" and the abject failure of Bush but Bush netted 3 million jobs created and Obama lost 3 million. Clinton and Reagan were not on that chart http://www.flickr.com/photos/davecjohnson/6088811219/ No, I wasn't. I was showing the facts. Are you going to claim that the job growth listed is untrue? MINUS 2.9 million jobs. You really have to cherry pick the data to come up with a chart that shows job growth. Growth compared to what? As I said, up until the chart ends, those are the facts. Here are some more for you. http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa...67&emailView=1 |
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