"John H" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:26:15 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:40:48 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:25:10 -0400, John H
wrote:

How has the demand changed in 10 years? I would guess there is more
gasoline sold. The taxes are another matter. I'll look into that.

Here is some good info on diesel prices.

http://www.dieselserviceandsupply.co...el_prices.aspx

Worldwide demand for diesel has gone way up.

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Good information, thanks.

It is obviously biased away from popular folk wisdom however since
there was no category in the pie chart breakdown called "Greedy
Corporate Speculative Excess Profits". I don't see how they could
have missed an obvious item like that in an otherwise well researched
article. :-)

Agent just ate my reply with a typo, and in 13 yeaars, I have never
figured out how. Our Lincoln Navigator has four cams and 32 valves and
only manages to get 14 at 70. The thing some real walnut trim,
steering wheel, little plates containing the window and door lock
switches. Nice looking. So, I sometimes call it:' The Sliverado.'

Casady

My Silverado gets 14 mpg - when I'm pulling the travel trailer. But, that's
40% better than my
4Runner got, so I'm not complaining.


My 1999 Expedition sucked fuel. 14,5 mpg was about normal. In 100,000
miles the best I ever got on a long trip was 16.5 mpg, and that was from Los
Angeles to Pleasanton and I do not think I ever got over 65 mph. My 300 HP
327 SS 1964 Impala got better than that, and would do 142 mph.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 21:46:36 -0700, "Califbill" wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:26:15 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:40:48 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:25:10 -0400, John H
wrote:

How has the demand changed in 10 years? I would guess there is more
gasoline sold. The taxes are another matter. I'll look into that.

Here is some good info on diesel prices.

http://www.dieselserviceandsupply.co...el_prices.aspx

Worldwide demand for diesel has gone way up.

===

Good information, thanks.

It is obviously biased away from popular folk wisdom however since
there was no category in the pie chart breakdown called "Greedy
Corporate Speculative Excess Profits". I don't see how they could
have missed an obvious item like that in an otherwise well researched
article. :-)

Agent just ate my reply with a typo, and in 13 yeaars, I have never
figured out how. Our Lincoln Navigator has four cams and 32 valves and
only manages to get 14 at 70. The thing some real walnut trim,
steering wheel, little plates containing the window and door lock
switches. Nice looking. So, I sometimes call it:' The Sliverado.'

Casady

My Silverado gets 14 mpg - when I'm pulling the travel trailer. But, that's
40% better than my
4Runner got, so I'm not complaining.


My 1999 Expedition sucked fuel. 14,5 mpg was about normal. In 100,000
miles the best I ever got on a long trip was 16.5 mpg, and that was from Los
Angeles to Pleasanton and I do not think I ever got over 65 mph. My 300 HP
327 SS 1964 Impala got better than that, and would do 142 mph.

Hell, I'm feeling better and better about my big f'ing truck!

On Jun 19, 11:46*pm, "Califbill" wrote:

*My 300 HP
327 SS 1964 Impala got better than that, and would do 142 mph.

Bill, you could get good gas then...This crap won't hardly burn.

On 6/20/11 8:37 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:46 pm, wrote:

My 300 HP
327 SS 1964 Impala got better than that, and would do 142 mph.

Bill, you could get good gas then...This crap won't hardly burn.


I've had no problems with "ethanolized" fuel in cars, trucks, four
stroke outboards, four stroke lawnmower and lawn tractor, two cycle
chain saw or grass trimmer. The vehicles, outboards and lawn tractor
have user-changeable fuel filters. Usually, I run the chain saw and
trimmer until they run dry.



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On 6/20/2011 8:56 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/20/11 8:37 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:46 pm, wrote:

My 300 HP
327 SS 1964 Impala got better than that, and would do 142 mph.

Bill, you could get good gas then...This crap won't hardly burn.


I've had no problems with "ethanolized" fuel in cars, trucks, four
stroke outboards, four stroke lawnmower and lawn tractor, two cycle
chain saw or grass trimmer. The vehicles, outboards and lawn tractor
have user-changeable fuel filters. Usually, I run the chain saw and
trimmer until they run dry.



You forgot to mention your Italian motorbike.

In article , says...

On 6/20/2011 8:56 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/20/11 8:37 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:46 pm, wrote:

My 300 HP
327 SS 1964 Impala got better than that, and would do 142 mph.

Bill, you could get good gas then...This crap won't hardly burn.


I've had no problems with "ethanolized" fuel in cars, trucks, four
stroke outboards, four stroke lawnmower and lawn tractor, two cycle
chain saw or grass trimmer. The vehicles, outboards and lawn tractor
have user-changeable fuel filters. Usually, I run the chain saw and
trimmer until they run dry.



You forgot to mention your Italian motorbike.

Speaking of motorbikes.. Jess and I did our first valve job on a four
stroke the other day. The bike is buttoned up and ran like a champ all
weekend long. We took the little bike just in case though...

Beautiful boating/riding weekend we had, a bit breezy but not enough to
cause any issues on the track... Have fun, later...

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Harryk wrote:
On 6/20/11 8:37 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:46 pm, wrote:

My 300 HP
327 SS 1964 Impala got better than that, and would do 142 mph.

Bill, you could get good gas then...This crap won't hardly burn.


I've had no problems with "ethanolized" fuel in cars, trucks, four
stroke outboards, four stroke lawnmower and lawn tractor, two cycle
chain saw or grass trimmer. The vehicles, outboards and lawn tractor
have user-changeable fuel filters. Usually, I run the chain saw and
trimmer until they run dry.



Paper fuel filters do nothing for ethanol, expert.

"L G" wrote in message
...

Harryk wrote:
On 6/20/11 8:37 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:46 pm, wrote:

My 300 HP
327 SS 1964 Impala got better than that, and would do 142 mph.

Bill, you could get good gas then...This crap won't hardly burn.


I've had no problems with "ethanolized" fuel in cars, trucks, four stroke
outboards, four stroke lawnmower and lawn tractor, two cycle chain saw or
grass trimmer. The vehicles, outboards and lawn tractor have
user-changeable fuel filters. Usually, I run the chain saw and trimmer
until they run dry.



Paper fuel filters do nothing for ethanol, expert.


Reply:
I know the old gas got about 10% more mileage than the new stuff. But,
damn, all that computerized fuel injection and separate coil for each
cylinder, should get a lot more mileage than a high performance 1964 carbed
engine.

On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:05:29 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"L G" wrote in message
...

Harryk wrote:
On 6/20/11 8:37 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:46 pm, wrote:

My 300 HP
327 SS 1964 Impala got better than that, and would do 142 mph.

Bill, you could get good gas then...This crap won't hardly burn.


I've had no problems with "ethanolized" fuel in cars, trucks, four stroke
outboards, four stroke lawnmower and lawn tractor, two cycle chain saw or
grass trimmer. The vehicles, outboards and lawn tractor have
user-changeable fuel filters. Usually, I run the chain saw and trimmer
until they run dry.



Paper fuel filters do nothing for ethanol, expert.


Reply:
I know the old gas got about 10% more mileage than the new stuff. But,
damn, all that computerized fuel injection and separate coil for each
cylinder, should get a lot more mileage than a high performance 1964 carbed
engine.

The model T ford and renowned 409 both got about 15 MPH. So does our
Navigator, and the 94 F-150. The navigator has a four cam 32 valve 330
inch V-8, which seems a bit rich for a truck. Lincoln had to match the
Cadillac Northstar. Where the difference in mileage with the new cars
shows up is around town, the carbs would work well at the steady
cruise they were optimized for.

Casady

On 6/21/11 8:33 AM, Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:05:29 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"L G" wrote in message
...

Harryk wrote:
On 6/20/11 8:37 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:46 pm, wrote:

My 300 HP
327 SS 1964 Impala got better than that, and would do 142 mph.

Bill, you could get good gas then...This crap won't hardly burn.


I've had no problems with "ethanolized" fuel in cars, trucks, four stroke
outboards, four stroke lawnmower and lawn tractor, two cycle chain saw or
grass trimmer. The vehicles, outboards and lawn tractor have
user-changeable fuel filters. Usually, I run the chain saw and trimmer
until they run dry.



Paper fuel filters do nothing for ethanol, expert.


Reply:
I know the old gas got about 10% more mileage than the new stuff. But,
damn, all that computerized fuel injection and separate coil for each
cylinder, should get a lot more mileage than a high performance 1964 carbed
engine.

The model T ford and renowned 409 both got about 15 MPH. So does our
Navigator, and the 94 F-150. The navigator has a four cam 32 valve 330
inch V-8, which seems a bit rich for a truck. Lincoln had to match the
Cadillac Northstar. Where the difference in mileage with the new cars
shows up is around town, the carbs would work well at the steady
cruise they were optimized for.

Casady


15 mpg?

Ouch.

Unless you regularly need its hauling abilities (people or a trailer),
why even own such a gas hog? I presume the Navigator is similar to the
Escalade, a recent version of which I had a chance to drive a couple of
months ago. It wasn't a pleasure to drive; it felt like I was driving an
aircraft carrier.

Different strokes for different folks, of course. But what's the
attraction of an SUV that's even more overstuffed, if you will, than the
average SUV?





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