Damn, the right wing twins. Together you might make 150 on the IQ scale.

"Jim -" wrote in message
news

"Bill Cole" wrote in message
. net...
Harry,
you might be intelligent, but you have a really bad case of fixation.
You
either need mediation for obsessive compulsive disorder or one of
similar
illnesses.


I am surprised it took you so long to figure that out Bill. But I have to
disagree
with the intelligent part though....Harry talks a good game but
unfortunately no one is
home upstairs. Look up the definition of "village idiot" in the dictionary
and Harry's
picture appears next to it.

Beyond Bush's admission that he doesn't read the papers.......(he isn't
interested in any opionions except those of his cabinet, apparently).....the
article does point out a
serious breach of first amendment rights and lack of equal treatment under the
law.

Pro-Bush demonstrators, and pro-war demonstartors (usually the same crowd)
have the local cops out "informally" flagging traffic for them, etc. I have
seen a number of occassions where the cops shut down intersections, etc, to
allow a Pro-Bush, or pro-war demonstration to occur.

Just prior to the invasion of Iraq, the anti-war protestors in Seattle staged a
large rally in downtown Seattle. The crowd was enormous. The cops tried to herd
everybody onto a short stretch of sidewalk that was obviously far too small to
accomodate the group. Everytime more than 2 or 3 people would inhale at once,
some poor schumck would be pressed forward and would be forced to set a foot
over the curb and into the street. Dozens of these folks, from young kids to
little old ladies, were arrested the moment a foot touched the ground beyond
the curb.
The charge was blocking traffic!

Some of the anti-war protestors were thrown face down on the pavement and
handcuffed with zip-ties. For (allegedly) blocking taffic.

If you had to be a cop to vote for POTUS, there's no doubt that Bush would
carry all 50 states and about 90% of the popular vote. :-(

WaIIy wrote:
On 26 Sep 2003 04:40:01 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Some of the anti-war protestors were thrown face down on the pavement and
handcuffed with zip-ties. For (allegedly) blocking taffic.

Can't you stop this leftist bull**** for even ONE day?

You sometimes have something to say about boats, unfortunately, I cannot
sift through your socialist dogma anymore to find the boat postings.

Back in the K/F.

Oh, puh-lease, Wally, you're so dense, you couldn't tell socialist dogma
from a Pomeranian dogma. Woof. Really. And so unoriginal. Weren't you
voted numnutz of the newsgroup in 2002?



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email sent to will *never* get to me.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
WaIIy wrote:
On 26 Sep 2003 04:40:01 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Some of the anti-war protestors were thrown face down on the pavement
and
handcuffed with zip-ties. For (allegedly) blocking taffic.

Can't you stop this leftist bull**** for even ONE day?

You sometimes have something to say about boats, unfortunately, I cannot
sift through your socialist dogma anymore to find the boat postings.

Back in the K/F.

Oh, puh-lease, Wally, you're so dense, you couldn't tell socialist dogma
from a Pomeranian dogma. Woof. Really. And so unoriginal. Weren't you
voted numnutz of the newsgroup in 2002?


Wilbur's boat in on the hard and he's back to listening to Rush for
entertainment.

It's "leftist bull****" to talk about people being thrown down face first by
police for protesting peacefully.

It'd be an outrage if that were happening to Christians who were protesting
abortion.

Several times, when questioned on TV during his campaign about his reading
habits, he was unable to point to much of anything other than the occasional
newspaper. I don't expect the president to have a reading list I agree 100%
with, but newspapers do NOT inform ANYONE enough about politics and history.
The latter is especially important, if you want to avoid repeating the worst
parts of it. I wonder if Bush even read his dad's book.

"Bill Cole" wrote in message
et...
All presidents use their staff to present daily briefing papers to get an
overview of world events. The briefing papers combine the info that is in
the newspapers and info from the different cabinets and intelligence
communities.

What is amazing is that he bothered to tell anyone he does not read
newspapers, even if other presidents did not bother to read anymore than
the
headlines to see what the media considers important, at least they didn't
tell everyone.


"F330 GT" wrote in message
...
I usually try to stay out of the poltical bashing that goes on here but
paragraphs 6 of this article blows my mind. Hard to believe this is
about
our
president. Is he a freaking idiot or just stupid. This is a direct
quote.
Why
would he admit to this?


FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES:

The Presidential Bubble

Published: September 25, 2003



Four progressive political groups sued the Bush administration this
week,
charging that the Secret Service is systematically keeping protesters
away
from
the president's public appearances. They make a serious point about free
speech
rights, but they also point out a disturbing aspect of the Bush White
House:
the country has a chief executive who seems to embrace the presidential
bubble.

Security concerns make it inevitable that a modern American president
will
be
somewhat cut off from the country he leads. He cannot insert himself
into
any
part of normal life without a phalanx of security guards.

Protesters cannot be permitted to get close enough to pose a threat, but
they
ought to be able to get close enough so the president can see that they
are
there. Sometimes seeing a glimpse of placard-wielding demonstrators is
as
close
as the commander in chief can get to seeing the face of national
discontent.

At Mr. Bush's public appearances, his critics are routinely shunted into
"protest zones" as much as a half-mile away. At the Columbia, S.C.,
airport
last year, a protester with a "No War for Oil" sign was ordered to move
a
half-mile from the area where Mr. Bush's supporters were allowed to
stand.
When
the protester refused, he was arrested.

Mr. Bush and his aides also seem to go to great lengths to underline the
degree
to which the president closes himself off from the news media. In an
interview
with Fox News this week, the president said he learned most of what he
needs to
know from morning briefings by his national security adviser,
Condoleezza
Rice,
and his chief of staff, Andrew Card.

As for newspapers, Mr. Bush said, "I glance at the headlines" but
"rarely
read
the stories." The people who brief him on current events encounter many
of
the
newsmakers personally, he said, and in any case "probably read the news
themselves."

Some of this may be a pose that is designed to tweak the media by making
the
news appear to be below the president's notice. During the Iraqi
invasion,
when
the rest of the nation was glued to TV, Mr. Bush's spokesman claimed
that
his
boss had barely glanced at the pictures of what was going on.

But it is worrisome when one of the most incurious men ever to occupy
the
White
House takes pains to insist that he gets his information on what the
world
is
saying only in predigested bits from his appointees.

Mr. Bush thinks of himself as a man of the people, but carefully staged
contacts with groups of supporters or small children does not constitute
getting in touch with the people. It is in Mr. Bush's interest, as well
as
the
nation's, for him to burst the bubble he has been inhabiting, and take a
hard
look at the real world.



P.S. My last politcal post unless GWB shoots himself in the foot.
(again)

Barry

OK...so his people read the news and digest it for him. But unlike
journalists, the president's people somehow know how NOT to let their own
opinions affect how they interpret what they read.

I understand now.

And, it's OK if the guy never picks up a history book, like "From the
Shadows" by Robert Gates, or any of a hundred other books which detail the
inner workings of diplomacy in the 20 years which preceded his term in
office. No president needs insights into the workings of other governments
and cultures. He can get all that from his experts, many of whom graduated
from college just a few years earlier and have little or no overseas
experience (true of ANY president's people).

I understand.

Some of the anti-war protestors were thrown face down on the pavement and
handcuffed with zip-ties. For (allegedly) blocking taffic.

Can't you stop this leftist bull**** for even ONE day?

Widely observed, reported, and photographed fact. Hardly "leftist bull****."

You sometimes have something to say about boats, unfortunately, I cannot
sift through your socialist dogma anymore to find the boat postings.

Back in the K/F.



Well, Wally since you *never* have anything to say about boats I won't miss any
of your on-topic stuff, even without a kill file.

"jps" wrote in message
...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
WaIIy wrote:
On 26 Sep 2003 04:40:01 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Some of the anti-war protestors were thrown face down on the pavement
and
handcuffed with zip-ties. For (allegedly) blocking taffic.

Can't you stop this leftist bull**** for even ONE day?

You sometimes have something to say about boats, unfortunately, I
cannot
sift through your socialist dogma anymore to find the boat postings.

Back in the K/F.

Oh, puh-lease, Wally, you're so dense, you couldn't tell socialist dogma
from a Pomeranian dogma. Woof. Really. And so unoriginal. Weren't you
voted numnutz of the newsgroup in 2002?


Wilbur's boat in on the hard and he's back to listening to Rush for
entertainment.

It's "leftist bull****" to talk about people being thrown down face first
by
police for protesting peacefully.

It'd be an outrage if that were happening to Christians who were
protesting
abortion.



High fiving Harry again. Was it not Hillary who had a person with a camera
arrested and jailed for taking her picture at a speech? Same as I think BC
did to some heckler in the midwest.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

It'd be an outrage if that were happening to Christians who
were protesting abortion.

High fiving Harry again. Was it not Hillary who had a person with a
camera
arrested and jailed for taking her picture at a speech? Same as I think
BC
did to some heckler in the midwest.

So, I cannot have a thought similar to Harry's without you silly RWers
claiming that I'm following my master?

The guy arrested was a known rabble-rouser who'd been a nuisance at the
school at which she was speaking (or maybe it was Gore) and this little
asshole was videotaping the speech, which was strictly forbidden and posted
outside the event.

Bush's bubble keeps rabble-rousers MILES away. They don't just prevent
people from taking pictures.

"jps" wrote in message
...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

It'd be an outrage if that were happening to Christians who
were protesting abortion.

High fiving Harry again. Was it not Hillary who had a person with a
camera
arrested and jailed for taking her picture at a speech? Same as I think
BC
did to some heckler in the midwest.

So, I cannot have a thought similar to Harry's without you silly RWers
claiming that I'm following my master?

The guy arrested was a known rabble-rouser who'd been a nuisance at the
school at which she was speaking (or maybe it was Gore) and this little
asshole was videotaping the speech, which was strictly forbidden and
posted
outside the event.

Bush's bubble keeps rabble-rousers MILES away. They don't just prevent
people from taking pictures.



I guess you can not be a gadfly / rabble rouser without crossing a public
Democrat politician? She was giving a speech at a public university. Screw
the rules on recording! IF she does not want it on the record, do open the
mouth.