On Tue, 03 May 2011 21:46:25 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:24:28 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2011 19:01:44 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:47:48 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2011 12:54:24 -0700, wrote:

He? So Carter was the one who decided what type of helicopter was
used? On what planet?

It's all about management.

Are the right people in place, have they been given access to the
necessary resources, and have they been given the right sense of
priorities?

There was a breakdown somewhere in that list, and like it or not, all
roads lead back to Carter. As Harry Truman said, "The buck stops
here", and he was right.

It was cobbled together pretty fast without enough real planning. That
was the big flaw.

Mostly untrue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw

These guys didn't even do a cursory investigation into the weather or
just exactly what the nature of the desert was really like.
Your Wiki says they did not understand the sand moves and that it also
flies in the air. They took sea going helicopters with no defense
against airborne dirt into a sand storm. Guess what, The helicopters
failed ... duh!
That is a failure of planning.

Give the time-frame they were working under, it was the best they
could do. Of course, Carter was evil and/or incompetent, even though
he got more done legislatively than just about any other president.

Perhaps there was the fear that loading more capable helicopters on a
carrier would attract attention but FDR managed to train crews and put
B-25s on the Hornet without a leak. Much like Mogadishu, the right
assets should have been in theater before you try things like this or
you can't deal with adversity.

I bet the sky over Aghanistan was black with orbiting planes and
choppers full of guys, in case this thing blew up.

I'll bet that if you look at the timeline, there was a lot more time
available for the current vs. the previous.

Then maybe they shouldn't have done it and Carter was the one who said
GO.

So, you believe he was told that it wouldn't work but he said go
anyway? Keep trying, but you're not even close.


Feel free to claim Clinton was at fault, but Reagan did just fine in
Lebanon.

Lebanon was a suicide bomber crashing into a hotel, not exactly the
same as an attack in Iran is it?

False equivalency

And, Reagan in all his glory, cut and ran. What a hero!