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A good company goes downhill
For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it
is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. WRONG. They are required to sell the ACE brand. Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. |
A good company goes downhill
On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. WRONG. They are required to sell the ACE brand. Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. |
A good company goes downhill
On Mar 21, 8:17*pm, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. *This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". *Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. *Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. *WRONG. *They are required to sell the ACE brand. *Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. *So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. |
A good company goes downhill
On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. WRONG. They are required to sell the ACE brand. Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. Compared to the US, lean and mean. Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? Nice clean philosphy. Admirable actually if done fair. And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. |
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On Mar 21, 9:17*pm, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, *wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. *This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". *Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. *Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. *WRONG. *They are required to sell the ACE brand. *Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. *So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. *Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. *Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. *Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. *Compared to the US, lean and mean. *Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. *Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? *Nice clean philosphy. *Admirable actually if done fair. *And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. *Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. *Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. Crony capitalist/communist. No hope of quality products. You should have learned this from experience so far. The problem is built into their system. |
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On 21/03/2011 8:42 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Mar 21, 9:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. WRONG. They are required to sell the ACE brand. Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. Compared to the US, lean and mean. Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? Nice clean philosphy. Admirable actually if done fair. And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. Crony capitalist/communist. No hope of quality products. You should have learned this from experience so far. The problem is built into their system. What I have learned is Chinese products represent value. If I buy a Chinese car I don't support CAW/UAW that used the tax system to screw my family and I. Hey, my taxes have no moral need to go to union @ssholes that can't make it work because they are too greedy, too lazy, too incompetant and have their shoulder stuct to their arse. My next auto will be imported in protest to CAW/UAW abuse. End of discussion. Union greedy buggers can eat unemployment for all I care. Might take some of that entitlist attude out of them. They need to learn to respect others people rights including ther customers too. And I have principle problems with contributing to Wagoner's and other executive GM pensions. I buy Chinese or South Korean and not a damn thing you can do about it. ;) And I plan on buying one in 2012. So unless CAW/UAW ships parts to the orient, I will get a car that is relatively CAW/UAW parts free. |
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On 21/03/2011 9:00 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article6ded6217-7f3f-4780-8290- , says... On Mar 21, 9:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. WRONG. They are required to sell the ACE brand. Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. Compared to the US, lean and mean. Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? Nice clean philosphy. Admirable actually if done fair. And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. Crony capitalist/communist. No hope of quality products. You should have learned this from experience so far. The problem is built into their system. You ****ing wingnuts don't even know whether you're commie or capitalist. Very confused. They are mentally handicapped fleabaggers. Rationality, logic and morality centres of the brain are weak and don't work right. |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:42:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: On Mar 21, 9:17*pm, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, *wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. *This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". *Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. *Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. *WRONG. *They are required to sell the ACE brand. *Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. *So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. *Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. *Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. *Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. *Compared to the US, lean and mean. *Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. *Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? *Nice clean philosphy. *Admirable actually if done fair. *And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. *Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. *Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. Crony capitalist/communist. No hope of quality products. You should have learned this from experience so far. The problem is built into their system. I do hope you two will continue. Reading your thoughts is giving me a lot of pleasure. |
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jps wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:42:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 9:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. WRONG. They are required to sell the ACE brand. Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. Compared to the US, lean and mean. Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? Nice clean philosphy. Admirable actually if done fair. And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. Crony capitalist/communist. No hope of quality products. You should have learned this from experience so far. The problem is built into their system. I do hope you two will continue. Reading your thoughts is giving me a lot of pleasure. When you read the comments of that pair, you get a sudden understanding for the popularity among a certain element for pols like Bachmann and Palin, whose ignorance will lead us to the next Dark Ages. |
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On Mar 22, 6:36*am, Harryk wrote:
jps wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:42:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch *wrote: On Mar 21, 9:17 pm, *wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, * *wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. *This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". *Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. *Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. *WRONG. *They are required to sell the ACE brand. *Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. *So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:26:41 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: On Mar 22, 6:36*am, Harryk wrote: jps wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:42:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch *wrote: On Mar 21, 9:17 pm, *wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, * *wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. *This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". *Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. *Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. *WRONG. *They are required to sell the ACE brand. *Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. *So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. *Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. *Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. *Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. *Compared to the US, lean and mean. *Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. *Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? *Nice clean philosphy. *Admirable actually if done fair. *And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. *Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. *Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. Crony capitalist/communist. *No hope of quality products. *You should have learned this from experience so far. The problem is built into their system. I do hope you two will continue. *Reading your thoughts is giving me a lot of pleasure. When you read the comments of that pair, you get a sudden understanding for the popularity among a certain element for pols like Bachmann and Palin, whose ignorance will lead us to the next Dark Ages. I buy Japanese cars. I will not buy Chinese because all Chinese products are crap quality and they will never solve the problem until they change govt systems. If you buy Chinese you support crony crapitalism/communism, if you buy Japanese, you support something closer to real capitalism. Only a fool buys UAW products. Good grief... you know so little about so much. The Japanese system is terribly flawed. I certainly wouldn't trade ours for theirs. |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 6:36 am, Harryk wrote: jps wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:42:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 9:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. WRONG. They are required to sell the ACE brand. Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. Compared to the US, lean and mean. Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? Nice clean philosphy. Admirable actually if done fair. And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. Crony capitalist/communist. No hope of quality products. You should have learned this from experience so far. The problem is built into their system. I do hope you two will continue. Reading your thoughts is giving me a lot of pleasure. When you read the comments of that pair, you get a sudden understanding for the popularity among a certain element for pols like Bachmann and Palin, whose ignorance will lead us to the next Dark Ages. I buy Japanese cars. I will not buy Chinese because all Chinese products are crap quality and they will never solve the problem until they change govt systems. If you buy Chinese you support crony crapitalism/communism, if you buy Japanese, you support something closer to real capitalism. Only a fool buys UAW products. ******* ~~ Snerk ~~ I think you just insulted half of your fellow Repugnicans here in this newsgroup. |
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In article , princecraft51
@gmail.com says... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 6:36 am, Harryk wrote: jps wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:42:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 9:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. WRONG. They are required to sell the ACE brand. Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. Compared to the US, lean and mean. Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? Nice clean philosphy. Admirable actually if done fair. And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. Crony capitalist/communist. No hope of quality products. You should have learned this from experience so far. The problem is built into their system. I do hope you two will continue. Reading your thoughts is giving me a lot of pleasure. When you read the comments of that pair, you get a sudden understanding for the popularity among a certain element for pols like Bachmann and Palin, whose ignorance will lead us to the next Dark Ages. I buy Japanese cars. I will not buy Chinese because all Chinese products are crap quality and they will never solve the problem until they change govt systems. If you buy Chinese you support crony crapitalism/communism, if you buy Japanese, you support something closer to real capitalism. Only a fool buys UAW products. ******* ~~ Snerk ~~ I think you just insulted half of your fellow Repugnicans here in this newsgroup. What in hell is a "Repugnican" you idiot? Have you called the FBI on Scotty like you stated you were going to? |
A good company goes downhill
Gene wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:42:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 9:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. WRONG. They are required to sell the ACE brand. Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. Compared to the US, lean and mean. Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? Nice clean philosphy. Admirable actually if done fair. And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. Crony capitalist/communist. No hope of quality products. You should have learned this from experience so far. The problem is built into their system. Did you miss the part about how the Communist Chinese are not really Communist? By that logic, Jane Fonda is actually a John Bircher. There are three eminent right-wing nutcases here...canuck, frogwatch and snotty ingersoll. None of them know anything about history, politics or economics. So...what do you expect? |
A good company goes downhill
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:11:23 -0400, Gene
wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:42:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 9:17*pm, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, *wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. *This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". *Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. *Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. *WRONG. *They are required to sell the ACE brand. *Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. *So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. *Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. *Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. *Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. *Compared to the US, lean and mean. *Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. *Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? *Nice clean philosphy. *Admirable actually if done fair. *And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. *Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. *Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. Crony capitalist/communist. No hope of quality products. You should have learned this from experience so far. The problem is built into their system. Did you miss the part about how the Communist Chinese are not really Communist? By that logic, Jane Fonda is actually a John Bircher. Well, she did marry Ted Turner, who's not exactly a commie. |
A good company goes downhill
Frogwatch wrote:
For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. WRONG. They are required to sell the ACE brand. Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. Ace sells more than their house brands. They have Allen that is made in the US. The stores can buy either, or both. They are independently owned - almost like a franchise. They are a true co-op. |
A good company goes downhill
Harryk wrote:
jps wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:42:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 9:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. WRONG. They are required to sell the ACE brand. Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. Compared to the US, lean and mean. Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? Nice clean philosphy. Admirable actually if done fair. And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. Crony capitalist/communist. No hope of quality products. You should have learned this from experience so far. The problem is built into their system. I do hope you two will continue. Reading your thoughts is giving me a lot of pleasure. When you read the comments of that pair, you get a sudden understanding for the popularity among a certain element for pols like Bachmann and Palin, whose ignorance will lead us to the next Dark Ages. "Palin" |
A good company goes downhill
True North wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 6:36 am, Harryk wrote: jps wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:42:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 9:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. WRONG. They are required to sell the ACE brand. Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. Compared to the US, lean and mean. Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? Nice clean philosphy. Admirable actually if done fair. And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. Crony capitalist/communist. No hope of quality products. You should have learned this from experience so far. The problem is built into their system. I do hope you two will continue. Reading your thoughts is giving me a lot of pleasure. When you read the comments of that pair, you get a sudden understanding for the popularity among a certain element for pols like Bachmann and Palin, whose ignorance will lead us to the next Dark Ages. I buy Japanese cars. I will not buy Chinese because all Chinese products are crap quality and they will never solve the problem until they change govt systems. If you buy Chinese you support crony crapitalism/communism, if you buy Japanese, you support something closer to real capitalism. Only a fool buys UAW products. ******* ~~ Snerk ~~ I think you just insulted half of your fellow Repugnicans here in this newsgroup. How, dummy? |
A good company goes downhill
On 22/03/2011 10:26 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Mar 22, 6:36 am, wrote: jps wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:42:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 9:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. WRONG. They are required to sell the ACE brand. Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. Compared to the US, lean and mean. Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? Nice clean philosphy. Admirable actually if done fair. And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. Crony capitalist/communist. No hope of quality products. You should have learned this from experience so far. The problem is built into their system. I do hope you two will continue. Reading your thoughts is giving me a lot of pleasure. When you read the comments of that pair, you get a sudden understanding for the popularity among a certain element for pols like Bachmann and Palin, whose ignorance will lead us to the next Dark Ages. I buy Japanese cars. I will not buy Chinese because all Chinese products are crap quality and they will never solve the problem until they change govt systems. If you buy Chinese you support crony crapitalism/communism, if you buy Japanese, you support something closer to real capitalism. Only a fool buys UAW products. They are/were crap, but so was a model T. But at the rate they make them, I bet they are getting better and faster at getting better. Will not be long before they can beat GM quality at 1/3rd the price. If you don't believe that, try to go buy and "American made PC or TV". |
A good company goes downhill
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:11:23 -0400, Gene
wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:42:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 9:17*pm, Canuck57 wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, *wrote: On 21/03/2011 6:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: For years I have marvelled at how well Ace HArdware does although it is often very close to Big Box hardware stores. *This is due to them having knowledgeable help and a good selection of hard to find items. However, today, I bought a socket extension there of the Ace brand and as I was leaving the store I noticed it was "MAde in China". *Of course, they had no others. So, I wrote letter to Ace HQ complaining about this. *Their reply was some nonsense about how stores are individually owned and the owners control what they sell. *WRONG. *They are required to sell the ACE brand. *Even then, ACE controls the ACE brand, not the stores. *So not only do they continue to sell Chinese crap, they lie to me about it. They have lost me as a customer. So if there was poorly made American say at $5 and and say a $1.50 version from China you would buy American? Funny, I used to know Chrylser workers in Racine hat owned rice rockets and Toyotas, although they would take a Chryler beater just for work parking. I kid you not, I used to live there. A communist "economy" cannot produce consistent quality because the system discourages long term planning. *Any company thta does well ends up being required to have ChiCom party members on its board. Company owners quickly realize it is better to just make a quick buck and get out than to make a long term commitment to quality. A capitalist economy is at least capable of producing quality. *Japan obviously does as does Taiwan. China can execute all the QC people they want but it will not help. The problem is inherent in their system of govt. There is nothing communist about China at all. *Best described as authoritarian-capitalist. *Compared to the US, lean and mean. *Chinese could go head on with almost any company the US has. Executing bad people like corporate fraud, drug dealers, multiple reoffenders, pedofiles etc. is a Chinese efficiency. *Why spend money to keep people alive that care so little about others? *Nice clean philosphy. *Admirable actually if done fair. *And from what I see, so far soo good when they executed the UK drug dealer even though UK protested. *Less back room politicial corruption exists. GM's wagoner would be in jail and fiscally wiped out. *Not rewarded rewarded for corruption well done by his Harvard buddies. In China, CEOs and bankers tried 1/2 the crap they try here, they would be executed. Crony capitalist/communist. No hope of quality products. You should have learned this from experience so far. The problem is built into their system. Did you miss the part about how the Communist Chinese are not really Communist? By that logic, Jane Fonda is actually a John Bircher. Which would make Pat Buchannan the Dalai Lama. |
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