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Nuclear power anyone??
On 3/16/11 10:06 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , says... On 3/16/11 9:43 AM, paul@byc wrote: On 3/16/2011 8:53 AM, Ernie wrote: On 3/16/2011 12:26 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:10:12 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:42:48 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:11:19 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:37:00 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:19:14 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:35:01 -0400, wrote: I haven't been opposed to nuclear power. I live about 20 miles from one. But this latest incident in Japan sure gives one pause. I think the significant thing is that the problem wasn't the 9.0 earthquake, it was the tsunami. That makes most of the US reactors somewhat immune to the biggest problem. It does highlight how vulnerable the cooling systems are to unexpected second order effects. The Japanese had diesel generators for backup power and then the diesels got knocked out by the tsunami. There are a lot of other things that can knock out diesel generators however. The track record of standby diesels performing reliably in an emergency is spotty at best. It takes an extremely rigorous maintenance and testing regime starting with fuel storage, filtration practices, etc. Why not just put a big water tank on top of the building... then all you need is gravity. The size of the tank. How big would it have to be? Seems like you could build a pretty big one that would work for at least some period of time... long enough to get the backup online. They have been pumping sea water into those reactors for days using big barge mounted pumps and it is still hot. You are talking about a good sized lake, not a tank. Seems to me that if the water was released in a controlled fashion at the beginning of the problem, there wouldn't be a requirement for that vast an amount of water. It "seems to you"?? Holy crap, watch a newscast before you make such a stupid statement. You don't care about Florida, you don't care to even inform yourself at all about the situation in Nippon, you just blatherSorry on about Righties this and Conservatives that, and wait for someone to follow you down your yellow brick road.. Greg is catching on, and from what we have learned about you lately, I am sure once he stops playing you will move along, change your handle and infect some other group... Pffft... Dork.. She's been spotted over on rec.boats cruising using the handle Jessica B. What a dope. I've been trying to "spot" a decent boating-related post from you. Can't seem to find any. So, whose sock puppet are you? Paul, I've been trying to "spot" a decent boating-related post from you. Can't seem to find any. So, whose sock puppet are you? That is the Pedophile Harry Krause of Rosedale Lane, Huntington Maryland... Harry Krause is the biggest liar ever in rec boats with whoppers about Yale degrees, triple doctorate wives, trips across the Atlantic in a small skiff to a fireboat welcome... and literally, hundreds if not thousands of lies about posters and others here over the years. This guy is probably not allowed out of his basement prison where he makes up fantasies about others wives and children including support for NAMBLA and their sick ideas of "loving" children. It's the reason his own children spirited themselves and their own children from him over a decade ago.... The guy is a creeper, best ignored.. You will notice he will attack me and a few others here 40 or more times a day because he is a coward and can't confront anybody face to face, but here is my daily address of him:( Sorry, little **** tosk, but i am not your buddy paul. Your fantasies about me are...pretty funny. And you make such an effort to convince your new sockpuppet buddy, NYOB. Priceless. NYOB is just one of the "regular" right-wing trashmeisters here. Isn't it interesting how your sort of trash seems to congeal? Your comment "...can't confront anybody face to face..." is humorous. We live about 375 miles apart, and the only areas in Connecticut I visit (and rarely) are the Long Island Sound shoreline towns, where my buddies live. Why, pray tell, would I go a minute out of my way to catch up with a little turd like you? I'd invite you to our next gathering in Connecticut, but you would assuredly misbehave and get "physical," and a half-dozen guys, all bigger, stronger, tougher and smarter than you are, would clean your little clock. And, of course, remove that greasy ponytail. Of course, you know what will happen to you in case you engage in home invasion down here. But, I know what you are thinking... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxGL5G8Pbk Do you feel lucky? Well, do you, punk? |
Nuclear power anyone??
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Nuclear power anyone??
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@mypacks.net says... On 3/16/11 10:06 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/16/11 9:43 AM, paul@byc wrote: On 3/16/2011 8:53 AM, Ernie wrote: On 3/16/2011 12:26 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:10:12 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:42:48 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:11:19 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:37:00 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:19:14 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:35:01 -0400, wrote: I haven't been opposed to nuclear power. I live about 20 miles from one. But this latest incident in Japan sure gives one pause. I think the significant thing is that the problem wasn't the 9.0 earthquake, it was the tsunami. That makes most of the US reactors somewhat immune to the biggest problem. It does highlight how vulnerable the cooling systems are to unexpected second order effects. The Japanese had diesel generators for backup power and then the diesels got knocked out by the tsunami. There are a lot of other things that can knock out diesel generators however. The track record of standby diesels performing reliably in an emergency is spotty at best. It takes an extremely rigorous maintenance and testing regime starting with fuel storage, filtration practices, etc. Why not just put a big water tank on top of the building... then all you need is gravity. The size of the tank. How big would it have to be? Seems like you could build a pretty big one that would work for at least some period of time... long enough to get the backup online. They have been pumping sea water into those reactors for days using big barge mounted pumps and it is still hot. You are talking about a good sized lake, not a tank. Seems to me that if the water was released in a controlled fashion at the beginning of the problem, there wouldn't be a requirement for that vast an amount of water. It "seems to you"?? Holy crap, watch a newscast before you make such a stupid statement. You don't care about Florida, you don't care to even inform yourself at all about the situation in Nippon, you just blatherSorry on about Righties this and Conservatives that, and wait for someone to follow you down your yellow brick road.. Greg is catching on, and from what we have learned about you lately, I am sure once he stops playing you will move along, change your handle and infect some other group... Pffft... Dork.. She's been spotted over on rec.boats cruising using the handle Jessica B. What a dope. I've been trying to "spot" a decent boating-related post from you. Can't seem to find any. So, whose sock puppet are you? Paul, I've been trying to "spot" a decent boating-related post from you. Can't seem to find any. So, whose sock puppet are you? That is the Pedophile Harry Krause of Rosedale Lane, Huntington Maryland... Harry Krause is the biggest liar ever in rec boats with whoppers about Yale degrees, triple doctorate wives, trips across the Atlantic in a small skiff to a fireboat welcome... and literally, hundreds if not thousands of lies about posters and others here over the years. This guy is probably not allowed out of his basement prison where he makes up fantasies about others wives and children including support for NAMBLA and their sick ideas of "loving" children. It's the reason his own children spirited themselves and their own children from him over a decade ago.... The guy is a creeper, best ignored.. You will notice he will attack me and a few others here 40 or more times a day because he is a coward and can't confront anybody face to face, but here is my daily address of him:( Sorry, little **** tosk, but i am not your buddy paul. Your fantasies about me are...pretty funny. And you make such an effort to convince your new sockpuppet buddy, NYOB. Priceless. NYOB is just one of the "regular" right-wing trashmeisters here. Isn't it interesting how your sort of trash seems to congeal? Your comment "...can't confront anybody face to face..." is humorous. We live about 375 miles apart, and the only areas in Connecticut I visit (and rarely) are the Long Island Sound shoreline towns, where my buddies live. Why, pray tell, would I go a minute out of my way to catch up with a little turd like you? I'd invite you to our next gathering in Connecticut, but you would assuredly misbehave and get "physical," and a half-dozen guys, all bigger, stronger, tougher and smarter than you are, would clean your little clock. And, of course, remove that greasy ponytail. Of course, you know what will happen to you in case you engage in home invasion down here. But, I know what you are thinking... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxGL5G8Pbk Do you feel lucky? Well, do you, punk? Harry is the coward of rec.boats!!! |
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says... In article , says... Why not just put a big water tank on top of the building... then all you need is gravity. The size of the tank. And the weight. Not if the building is made of the correct concrete mix. Can you give us the weight for that mix, Kevin? I'm first of all not Kevin, and second of all, I fail to see the reason why the building's materials would have anything to do with it. Perhaps you can enlighten us? |
Nuclear power anyone??
On 3/16/2011 10:57 AM, HarryisPaul wrote:
In article_4idnTFB_41JVR3QnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 3/16/11 10:06 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 3/16/11 9:43 AM, paul@byc wrote: On 3/16/2011 8:53 AM, Ernie wrote: On 3/16/2011 12:26 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:10:12 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:42:48 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:11:19 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:37:00 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:19:14 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:35:01 -0400, wrote: I haven't been opposed to nuclear power. I live about 20 miles from one. But this latest incident in Japan sure gives one pause. I think the significant thing is that the problem wasn't the 9.0 earthquake, it was the tsunami. That makes most of the US reactors somewhat immune to the biggest problem. It does highlight how vulnerable the cooling systems are to unexpected second order effects. The Japanese had diesel generators for backup power and then the diesels got knocked out by the tsunami. There are a lot of other things that can knock out diesel generators however. The track record of standby diesels performing reliably in an emergency is spotty at best. It takes an extremely rigorous maintenance and testing regime starting with fuel storage, filtration practices, etc. Why not just put a big water tank on top of the building... then all you need is gravity. The size of the tank. How big would it have to be? Seems like you could build a pretty big one that would work for at least some period of time... long enough to get the backup online. They have been pumping sea water into those reactors for days using big barge mounted pumps and it is still hot. You are talking about a good sized lake, not a tank. Seems to me that if the water was released in a controlled fashion at the beginning of the problem, there wouldn't be a requirement for that vast an amount of water. It "seems to you"?? Holy crap, watch a newscast before you make such a stupid statement. You don't care about Florida, you don't care to even inform yourself at all about the situation in Nippon, you just blatherSorry on about Righties this and Conservatives that, and wait for someone to follow you down your yellow brick road.. Greg is catching on, and from what we have learned about you lately, I am sure once he stops playing you will move along, change your handle and infect some other group... Pffft... Dork.. She's been spotted over on rec.boats cruising using the handle Jessica B. What a dope. I've been trying to "spot" a decent boating-related post from you. Can't seem to find any. So, whose sock puppet are you? Paul, I've been trying to "spot" a decent boating-related post from you. Can't seem to find any. So, whose sock puppet are you? That is the Pedophile Harry Krause of Rosedale Lane, Huntington Maryland... Harry Krause is the biggest liar ever in rec boats with whoppers about Yale degrees, triple doctorate wives, trips across the Atlantic in a small skiff to a fireboat welcome... and literally, hundreds if not thousands of lies about posters and others here over the years. This guy is probably not allowed out of his basement prison where he makes up fantasies about others wives and children including support for NAMBLA and their sick ideas of "loving" children. It's the reason his own children spirited themselves and their own children from him over a decade ago.... The guy is a creeper, best ignored.. You will notice he will attack me and a few others here 40 or more times a day because he is a coward and can't confront anybody face to face, but here is my daily address of him:( Sorry, little **** tosk, but i am not your buddy paul. Your fantasies about me are...pretty funny. And you make such an effort to convince your new sockpuppet buddy, NYOB. Priceless. NYOB is just one of the "regular" right-wing trashmeisters here. Isn't it interesting how your sort of trash seems to congeal? Your comment "...can't confront anybody face to face..." is humorous. We live about 375 miles apart, and the only areas in Connecticut I visit (and rarely) are the Long Island Sound shoreline towns, where my buddies live. Why, pray tell, would I go a minute out of my way to catch up with a little turd like you? I'd invite you to our next gathering in Connecticut, but you would assuredly misbehave and get "physical," and a half-dozen guys, all bigger, stronger, tougher and smarter than you are, would clean your little clock. And, of course, remove that greasy ponytail. Of course, you know what will happen to you in case you engage in home invasion down here. But, I know what you are thinking... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxGL5G8Pbk Do you feel lucky? Well, do you, punk? Harry is the coward of rec.boats!!! Harry is afraid of you. Otherwise he would ignore your trolls |
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:40:39 -0400, Gene wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:35:01 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:56:26 -0400, Harryk wrote: On 3/14/11 6:48 PM, True North wrote: Was that you, Johnny.... always preaching about the benefits of nuclear power? Good I guess, as long as you don't have an earthquake. I haven't been opposed to nuclear power. I live about 20 miles from one. But this latest incident in Japan sure gives one pause. I think the significant thing is that the problem wasn't the 9.0 earthquake, it was the tsunami. That makes most of the US reactors somewhat immune to the biggest problem. Except the one 5 miles from my house..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunswi...rating_Station Where is the fault that is going to cause the level 9 earthquake? Reply: Also the Japanese Nuke plant is 40 years old. We have learned a lot in that time. Does not require electricity to keep the emergency cooling water flowing these days. |
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On 3/16/2011 8:53 AM, Ernie wrote: On 3/16/2011 12:26 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:10:12 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:42:48 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:11:19 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:37:00 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:19:14 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:35:01 -0400, wrote: I haven't been opposed to nuclear power. I live about 20 miles from one. But this latest incident in Japan sure gives one pause. I think the significant thing is that the problem wasn't the 9.0 earthquake, it was the tsunami. That makes most of the US reactors somewhat immune to the biggest problem. It does highlight how vulnerable the cooling systems are to unexpected second order effects. The Japanese had diesel generators for backup power and then the diesels got knocked out by the tsunami. There are a lot of other things that can knock out diesel generators however. The track record of standby diesels performing reliably in an emergency is spotty at best. It takes an extremely rigorous maintenance and testing regime starting with fuel storage, filtration practices, etc. Why not just put a big water tank on top of the building... then all you need is gravity. The size of the tank. How big would it have to be? Seems like you could build a pretty big one that would work for at least some period of time... long enough to get the backup online. They have been pumping sea water into those reactors for days using big barge mounted pumps and it is still hot. You are talking about a good sized lake, not a tank. Seems to me that if the water was released in a controlled fashion at the beginning of the problem, there wouldn't be a requirement for that vast an amount of water. It "seems to you"?? Holy crap, watch a newscast before you make such a stupid statement. You don't care about Florida, you don't care to even inform yourself at all about the situation in Nippon, you just blather on about Righties this and Conservatives that, and wait for someone to follow you down your yellow brick road.. Greg is catching on, and from what we have learned about you lately, I am sure once he stops playing you will move along, change your handle and infect some other group... Pffft... Dork.. She's been spotted over on rec.boats cruising using the handle Jessica B. What a dope. I've been trying to "spot" a decent boating-related post from you. Can't seem to find any. So, whose sock puppet are you? Reply: Whose are you? I come back from 2 weeks in Belize and I see most of your posts are as lame as Harry's. No boating content. |
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On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 01:46:39 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:11:11 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:10:12 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:42:48 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:11:19 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:37:00 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:19:14 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:35:01 -0400, wrote: I haven't been opposed to nuclear power. I live about 20 miles from one. But this latest incident in Japan sure gives one pause. I think the significant thing is that the problem wasn't the 9.0 earthquake, it was the tsunami. That makes most of the US reactors somewhat immune to the biggest problem. It does highlight how vulnerable the cooling systems are to unexpected second order effects. The Japanese had diesel generators for backup power and then the diesels got knocked out by the tsunami. There are a lot of other things that can knock out diesel generators however. The track record of standby diesels performing reliably in an emergency is spotty at best. It takes an extremely rigorous maintenance and testing regime starting with fuel storage, filtration practices, etc. Why not just put a big water tank on top of the building... then all you need is gravity. The size of the tank. How big would it have to be? Seems like you could build a pretty big one that would work for at least some period of time... long enough to get the backup online. They have been pumping sea water into those reactors for days using big barge mounted pumps and it is still hot. You are talking about a good sized lake, not a tank. Seems to me that if the water was released in a controlled fashion at the beginning of the problem, there wouldn't be a requirement for that vast an amount of water. These reactors do not stop on a dime and the fuel rods continue to generate heat long after the reactor is "scrammed" Yes, I understand how they work. What I'm proposing is that there be a reservoir that is gravity fed. If there's a backup pump failure, the water in the reservoir would be deployed over a period of time until either it ran out or the backup pumps came back online. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would at least delay the over-heating. It would add some time to the equation. |
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:56:10 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 15/03/2011 10:11 PM, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:10:12 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:42:48 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:11:19 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:37:00 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:19:14 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:35:01 -0400, wrote: I haven't been opposed to nuclear power. I live about 20 miles from one. But this latest incident in Japan sure gives one pause. I think the significant thing is that the problem wasn't the 9.0 earthquake, it was the tsunami. That makes most of the US reactors somewhat immune to the biggest problem. It does highlight how vulnerable the cooling systems are to unexpected second order effects. The Japanese had diesel generators for backup power and then the diesels got knocked out by the tsunami. There are a lot of other things that can knock out diesel generators however. The track record of standby diesels performing reliably in an emergency is spotty at best. It takes an extremely rigorous maintenance and testing regime starting with fuel storage, filtration practices, etc. Why not just put a big water tank on top of the building... then all you need is gravity. The size of the tank. How big would it have to be? Seems like you could build a pretty big one that would work for at least some period of time... long enough to get the backup online. They have been pumping sea water into those reactors for days using big barge mounted pumps and it is still hot. You are talking about a good sized lake, not a tank. Seems to me that if the water was released in a controlled fashion at the beginning of the problem, there wouldn't be a requirement for that vast an amount of water. True if they could control the reaction, but obviously they can't. I'm not talking about controlling the reaction dipsy doodle. I'm talking about controlling the release of the water in the storage tanks. |
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