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Frogwatch[_2_] March 9th 11 03:26 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .

*e#c March 9th 11 03:48 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On Mar 9, 10:26*am, Frogwatch wrote:
I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. *It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. *If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. *DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .


Nah...just take out (permanently ) Gaddafi. Is that why the US has
sent in the Warships ( the mention of that is my boating content).

HarryisPaul March 9th 11 04:15 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
In article fb5f0922-b249-45b6-938e-
,
says...

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .


When Bush dipped into it was it because of "political convenience"?

Frogwatch[_2_] March 9th 11 04:29 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On Mar 9, 11:15*am, HarryisPaul wrote:
In article fb5f0922-b249-45b6-938e-
,
says...



I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. *It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. *If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. *DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .


When Bush dipped into it was it because of "political convenience"?


I was against Bush doing so too.

jps March 9th 11 04:45 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:26:09 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .


Evidently, you haven't kept up with the news. They've determined that
our drilling everywhere in America will result in doing absolutely
nothing to affect oil or gas prices.

Read, learn, stop wasting our time with bull****.

jps March 9th 11 06:10 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:07:20 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:45:09 -0800, jps wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:26:09 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .


Evidently, you haven't kept up with the news. They've determined that
our drilling everywhere in America will result in doing absolutely
nothing to affect oil or gas prices.

Read, learn, stop wasting our time with bull****.



I agree this is speculation, not a real oil shortage. The price could
go down as fast as it went up. All it takes is some symbolic gesture
that scares the speculators, like the Saudis dumping some extra oil on
the market or a quick resolution in Libya. (like someone shooting
Qdaffy)


Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.

Has Morgan Stanley been investing in commodities again? These ****ing
manipulators should be sent to Guantanamo for some R&R.

Harryk March 9th 11 06:24 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On 3/9/11 1:10 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:07:20 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:45:09 -0800, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:26:09 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .

Evidently, you haven't kept up with the news. They've determined that
our drilling everywhere in America will result in doing absolutely
nothing to affect oil or gas prices.

Read, learn, stop wasting our time with bull****.



I agree this is speculation, not a real oil shortage. The price could
go down as fast as it went up. All it takes is some symbolic gesture
that scares the speculators, like the Saudis dumping some extra oil on
the market or a quick resolution in Libya. (like someone shooting
Qdaffy)


Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.

Has Morgan Stanley been investing in commodities again? These ****ing
manipulators should be sent to Guantanamo for some R&R.



Tax these sorts of short-term speculative gains on oil at 90%.

spamfree March 9th 11 07:50 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On 3/9/11 1:24 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 3/9/11 1:10 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:07:20 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:45:09 -0800, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:26:09 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .

Evidently, you haven't kept up with the news. They've determined that
our drilling everywhere in America will result in doing absolutely
nothing to affect oil or gas prices.

Read, learn, stop wasting our time with bull****.


I agree this is speculation, not a real oil shortage. The price could
go down as fast as it went up. All it takes is some symbolic gesture
that scares the speculators, like the Saudis dumping some extra oil on
the market or a quick resolution in Libya. (like someone shooting
Qdaffy)


Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.

Has Morgan Stanley been investing in commodities again? These ****ing
manipulators should be sent to Guantanamo for some R&R.



Tax these sorts of short-term speculative gains on oil at 90%.


You idiot, the futures market is a world wide market. It doesn't matter
if US Citizens are buying futures or not, the price is determined by
investors all over the world.

jps March 9th 11 08:05 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:50:16 -0500, spamfree
wrote:

On 3/9/11 1:24 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 3/9/11 1:10 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:07:20 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:45:09 -0800, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:26:09 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .

Evidently, you haven't kept up with the news. They've determined that
our drilling everywhere in America will result in doing absolutely
nothing to affect oil or gas prices.

Read, learn, stop wasting our time with bull****.


I agree this is speculation, not a real oil shortage. The price could
go down as fast as it went up. All it takes is some symbolic gesture
that scares the speculators, like the Saudis dumping some extra oil on
the market or a quick resolution in Libya. (like someone shooting
Qdaffy)

Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.

Has Morgan Stanley been investing in commodities again? These ****ing
manipulators should be sent to Guantanamo for some R&R.



Tax these sorts of short-term speculative gains on oil at 90%.


You idiot, the futures market is a world wide market. It doesn't matter
if US Citizens are buying futures or not, the price is determined by
investors all over the world.


Did he say that we should tax offshore investors?

Do we tax profits made in US stocks if the investors aren't Americans?

Who's the idiot?

spamfree March 9th 11 08:27 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On 3/9/11 3:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:50:16 -0500,
wrote:

On 3/9/11 1:24 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 3/9/11 1:10 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:07:20 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:45:09 -0800, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:26:09 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .

Evidently, you haven't kept up with the news. They've determined that
our drilling everywhere in America will result in doing absolutely
nothing to affect oil or gas prices.

Read, learn, stop wasting our time with bull****.


I agree this is speculation, not a real oil shortage. The price could
go down as fast as it went up. All it takes is some symbolic gesture
that scares the speculators, like the Saudis dumping some extra oil on
the market or a quick resolution in Libya. (like someone shooting
Qdaffy)

Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.

Has Morgan Stanley been investing in commodities again? These ****ing
manipulators should be sent to Guantanamo for some R&R.


Tax these sorts of short-term speculative gains on oil at 90%.


You idiot, the futures market is a world wide market. It doesn't matter
if US Citizens are buying futures or not, the price is determined by
investors all over the world.


Did he say that we should tax offshore investors?

Do we tax profits made in US stocks if the investors aren't Americans?

Who's the idiot?


It doesn't matter if we tax US investors at 100% on their short term oil
speculations, it will NOT have an impact on the world wide futures price
of oil.

Now try to figure out why this is correct. Here is a hint, the US
doesn't control all investors or investment markets in the world.

Harryk March 9th 11 09:07 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On 3/9/11 3:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:50:16 -0500,
wrote:

On 3/9/11 1:24 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 3/9/11 1:10 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:07:20 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:45:09 -0800, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:26:09 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .

Evidently, you haven't kept up with the news. They've determined that
our drilling everywhere in America will result in doing absolutely
nothing to affect oil or gas prices.

Read, learn, stop wasting our time with bull****.


I agree this is speculation, not a real oil shortage. The price could
go down as fast as it went up. All it takes is some symbolic gesture
that scares the speculators, like the Saudis dumping some extra oil on
the market or a quick resolution in Libya. (like someone shooting
Qdaffy)

Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.

Has Morgan Stanley been investing in commodities again? These ****ing
manipulators should be sent to Guantanamo for some R&R.


Tax these sorts of short-term speculative gains on oil at 90%.


You idiot, the futures market is a world wide market. It doesn't matter
if US Citizens are buying futures or not, the price is determined by
investors all over the world.


Did he say that we should tax offshore investors?

Do we tax profits made in US stocks if the investors aren't Americans?

Who's the idiot?


If memory serves, the email " is the one once used
here by a right winger who posted here as "Reggie Smithers" and about 30
other handles. There's just no end to these right wing toads.

HarryisPaul March 9th 11 09:09 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
In article ,
says...

On 3/9/11 1:24 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 3/9/11 1:10 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:07:20 -0500,
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:45:09 -0800, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:26:09 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .

Evidently, you haven't kept up with the news. They've determined that
our drilling everywhere in America will result in doing absolutely
nothing to affect oil or gas prices.

Read, learn, stop wasting our time with bull****.


I agree this is speculation, not a real oil shortage. The price could
go down as fast as it went up. All it takes is some symbolic gesture
that scares the speculators, like the Saudis dumping some extra oil on
the market or a quick resolution in Libya. (like someone shooting
Qdaffy)

Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.

Has Morgan Stanley been investing in commodities again? These ****ing
manipulators should be sent to Guantanamo for some R&R.



Tax these sorts of short-term speculative gains on oil at 90%.


You idiot, the futures market is a world wide market. It doesn't matter
if US Citizens are buying futures or not, the price is determined by
investors all over the world.


Harry's not very bright.

Wayne.B March 9th 11 10:14 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:10:50 -0800, jps wrote:

Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.


Who owns those supplies and why did they build their inventories?
You might be surprised to learn that the motives might have more to do
with availability than price. If so, that's commendable . No one
wants to be caught short or stuck in lines at the station. In any
case, building inventories is a self limiting process because there is
only so much capacity.


BAR[_2_] March 9th 11 10:59 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
In article fb5f0922-b249-45b6-938e-
,
says...

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .


They want to tap it to draw down its capacity to reduce our ability to
respond in an real emergency.

We should be tapping the Gulf of Mexico, ANWR, the East and West
Coasts...


BAR[_2_] March 9th 11 11:33 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/9/11 1:10 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:07:20 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:45:09 -0800, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:26:09 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .

Evidently, you haven't kept up with the news. They've determined that
our drilling everywhere in America will result in doing absolutely
nothing to affect oil or gas prices.

Read, learn, stop wasting our time with bull****.


I agree this is speculation, not a real oil shortage. The price could
go down as fast as it went up. All it takes is some symbolic gesture
that scares the speculators, like the Saudis dumping some extra oil on
the market or a quick resolution in Libya. (like someone shooting
Qdaffy)


Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.

Has Morgan Stanley been investing in commodities again? These ****ing
manipulators should be sent to Guantanamo for some R&R.



Tax these sorts of short-term speculative gains on oil at 90%.


Then all short term speculative gains should be taxed at the same rate.
Your gains from the time you were at Ullico should have been taxed at
this rate. You remember, the gains you had which enabled you to purchase
your Zimmerman like Lobasta' boat.

If you will notice I didn't say you made the gains off of Ullico, I said
you made the gains while you were at Ullico.



BAR[_2_] March 9th 11 11:36 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:50:16 -0500, spamfree
wrote:

On 3/9/11 1:24 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 3/9/11 1:10 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:07:20 -0500,
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:45:09 -0800, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:26:09 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .

Evidently, you haven't kept up with the news. They've determined that
our drilling everywhere in America will result in doing absolutely
nothing to affect oil or gas prices.

Read, learn, stop wasting our time with bull****.


I agree this is speculation, not a real oil shortage. The price could
go down as fast as it went up. All it takes is some symbolic gesture
that scares the speculators, like the Saudis dumping some extra oil on
the market or a quick resolution in Libya. (like someone shooting
Qdaffy)

Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.

Has Morgan Stanley been investing in commodities again? These ****ing
manipulators should be sent to Guantanamo for some R&R.


Tax these sorts of short-term speculative gains on oil at 90%.


You idiot, the futures market is a world wide market. It doesn't matter
if US Citizens are buying futures or not, the price is determined by
investors all over the world.


Did he say that we should tax offshore investors?

Do we tax profits made in US stocks if the investors aren't Americans?

Who's the idiot?


Why should we tax US citizens in a punitive manner for engaging in a
world wide market? This is the problem. The individual risked their
money and they should reap the benefits of that risk.

I assume that you would be all for paying 90% of what is left from your
operating costs in taxes. And, no I am not talking about just your
profits.

L G[_29_] March 10th 11 12:38 AM

Dont tap the SPR
 
Harryk wrote:
On 3/9/11 3:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:50:16 -0500,
wrote:

On 3/9/11 1:24 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 3/9/11 1:10 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:07:20 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:45:09 -0800, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:26:09 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political
convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .

Evidently, you haven't kept up with the news. They've determined
that
our drilling everywhere in America will result in doing absolutely
nothing to affect oil or gas prices.

Read, learn, stop wasting our time with bull****.


I agree this is speculation, not a real oil shortage. The price
could
go down as fast as it went up. All it takes is some symbolic gesture
that scares the speculators, like the Saudis dumping some extra
oil on
the market or a quick resolution in Libya. (like someone shooting
Qdaffy)

Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is
the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.

Has Morgan Stanley been investing in commodities again? These ****ing
manipulators should be sent to Guantanamo for some R&R.


Tax these sorts of short-term speculative gains on oil at 90%.

You idiot, the futures market is a world wide market. It doesn't
matter
if US Citizens are buying futures or not, the price is determined by
investors all over the world.


Did he say that we should tax offshore investors?

Do we tax profits made in US stocks if the investors aren't Americans?

Who's the idiot?


If memory serves, the email " is the one once used
here by a right winger who posted here as "Reggie Smithers" and about
30 other handles. There's just no end to these right wing toads.

Whatever, Sherlock, it doesn't mean the poster was wrong. Try a
different diversion tactic next time.

jps March 10th 11 02:18 AM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 15:27:24 -0500, spamfree
wrote:

On 3/9/11 3:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:50:16 -0500,
wrote:

On 3/9/11 1:24 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 3/9/11 1:10 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:07:20 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:45:09 -0800, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:26:09 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .

Evidently, you haven't kept up with the news. They've determined that
our drilling everywhere in America will result in doing absolutely
nothing to affect oil or gas prices.

Read, learn, stop wasting our time with bull****.


I agree this is speculation, not a real oil shortage. The price could
go down as fast as it went up. All it takes is some symbolic gesture
that scares the speculators, like the Saudis dumping some extra oil on
the market or a quick resolution in Libya. (like someone shooting
Qdaffy)

Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.

Has Morgan Stanley been investing in commodities again? These ****ing
manipulators should be sent to Guantanamo for some R&R.


Tax these sorts of short-term speculative gains on oil at 90%.

You idiot, the futures market is a world wide market. It doesn't matter
if US Citizens are buying futures or not, the price is determined by
investors all over the world.


Did he say that we should tax offshore investors?

Do we tax profits made in US stocks if the investors aren't Americans?

Who's the idiot?


It doesn't matter if we tax US investors at 100% on their short term oil
speculations, it will NOT have an impact on the world wide futures price
of oil.

Now try to figure out why this is correct. Here is a hint, the US
doesn't control all investors or investment markets in the world.


Wrong. If there's a significant disincentive to trade in speculative
markets brought on by a stiff tax, how much of that speculative
market's assets are going to be removed from trading?

You think a market moves up and down regardless of how many investors
take an interest in the commodity?

Think again.

jps March 10th 11 02:20 AM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:14:18 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:10:50 -0800, jps wrote:

Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.


Who owns those supplies and why did they build their inventories?
You might be surprised to learn that the motives might have more to do
with availability than price. If so, that's commendable . No one
wants to be caught short or stuck in lines at the station. In any
case, building inventories is a self limiting process because there is
only so much capacity.


You mean there's only so much storage capacity. Wasn't Morgan Stanley
manipulating some commodity a couple of years ago by purchasing and
storing it's own supplies?

How's that fit your model? Pure freaking speculation.

[email protected] March 10th 11 02:36 AM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:59:57 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article fb5f0922-b249-45b6-938e-
,
says...

I say do not tap into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve now. It is
intended fro a real emergency, not for the political convenience of
pols who are unwilling to allow domestic drilling. If you want
cheaper oil, then allow drilling. DRILL Offshore HERE, DRILL NOW .


They want to tap it to draw down its capacity to reduce our ability to
respond in an real emergency.

We should be tapping the Gulf of Mexico, ANWR, the East and West
Coasts...


"They" "Those people" Sure.

I suggest you vote for Palin whether or not she runs.

jps March 10th 11 07:05 AM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:20:15 -0800, jps wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:14:18 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:10:50 -0800, jps wrote:

Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.


Who owns those supplies and why did they build their inventories?
You might be surprised to learn that the motives might have more to do
with availability than price. If so, that's commendable . No one
wants to be caught short or stuck in lines at the station. In any
case, building inventories is a self limiting process because there is
only so much capacity.


You mean there's only so much storage capacity. Wasn't Morgan Stanley
manipulating some commodity a couple of years ago by purchasing and
storing it's own supplies?

How's that fit your model? Pure freaking speculation.


I just heard on the news tonight that oil future contracts have gone
from 600,000 in 2008 to over 1,100,000 today. $200 billion dollars
has come into that market over the last few years, all speculative.

The Obama administration is going to put limits on positions, which
should help curtail the profiteering.

There has never been as much reserve and stable demand. Fuel prices
are being driven somewhat by world news but certainly by speculation.

TopBassDog March 10th 11 09:32 AM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On Mar 10, 1:05*am, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:20:15 -0800, jps wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:14:18 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:10:50 -0800, jps wrote:


Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. *That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.


Who owns those supplies and why did they build their inventories?
You might be surprised to learn that the motives might have more to do
with availability than price. *If so, that's commendable . *No one
wants to be caught short or stuck in lines at the station. *In any
case, building inventories is a self limiting process because there is
only so much capacity.


You mean there's only so much storage capacity. *Wasn't Morgan Stanley
manipulating some commodity a couple of years ago by purchasing and
storing it's own supplies?


How's that fit your model? *Pure freaking speculation.


I just heard on the news tonight that oil future contracts have gone
from 600,000 in 2008 to over 1,100,000 today. *$200 billion dollars
has come into that market over the last few years, all speculative.

The Obama administration is going to put limits on positions, which
should help curtail the profiteering.

There has never been as much reserve and stable demand. *Fuel prices
are being driven somewhat by world news but certainly by speculation.


Speculation. That is what Wayne has been saying. I am glad you are
finally catching up.

BAR[_2_] March 10th 11 01:07 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:20:15 -0800, jps wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:14:18 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:10:50 -0800, jps wrote:

Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.

Who owns those supplies and why did they build their inventories?
You might be surprised to learn that the motives might have more to do
with availability than price. If so, that's commendable . No one
wants to be caught short or stuck in lines at the station. In any
case, building inventories is a self limiting process because there is
only so much capacity.


You mean there's only so much storage capacity. Wasn't Morgan Stanley
manipulating some commodity a couple of years ago by purchasing and
storing it's own supplies?

How's that fit your model? Pure freaking speculation.


I just heard on the news tonight that oil future contracts have gone
from 600,000 in 2008 to over 1,100,000 today. $200 billion dollars
has come into that market over the last few years, all speculative.

The Obama administration is going to put limits on positions, which
should help curtail the profiteering.

There has never been as much reserve and stable demand. Fuel prices
are being driven somewhat by world news but certainly by speculation.


You haven't got a clue about the oil market have you?

Corporations that manufacture items are purchasing futures contracts on
oil all of the time. The need the oil in their manufacturing processes
and they are always looking to buy it at the lowest price available. So,
it isn't only speculators who are in the oil futures market.

Oil is a commodity it is going to be traded as a commodity. The ability
to deliver the commodity is the speculation.

JPS you are a dumb ass.



BAR[_2_] March 10th 11 01:07 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
In article ,
says...
Do we tax profits made in US stocks if the investors aren't Americans?

Who's the idiot?


It doesn't matter if we tax US investors at 100% on their short term oil
speculations, it will NOT have an impact on the world wide futures price
of oil.

Now try to figure out why this is correct. Here is a hint, the US
doesn't control all investors or investment markets in the world.


Wrong. If there's a significant disincentive to trade in speculative
markets brought on by a stiff tax, how much of that speculative
market's assets are going to be removed from trading?


US taxes only affect US entities. Why do you think multi-national
corporations do not bring their foreign profits into the US?

Holding companies will be created to hold foreign companies that will do
the speculation. The proceeds will be held in foreign accounts but the
value of the holding company will increase.

You think a market moves up and down regardless of how many investors
take an interest in the commodity?


You only need one seller and two buyers to create a market.

Think again.





[email protected] March 10th 11 06:21 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:07:39 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:20:15 -0800, jps wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:14:18 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:10:50 -0800, jps wrote:

Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.

Who owns those supplies and why did they build their inventories?
You might be surprised to learn that the motives might have more to do
with availability than price. If so, that's commendable . No one
wants to be caught short or stuck in lines at the station. In any
case, building inventories is a self limiting process because there is
only so much capacity.

You mean there's only so much storage capacity. Wasn't Morgan Stanley
manipulating some commodity a couple of years ago by purchasing and
storing it's own supplies?

How's that fit your model? Pure freaking speculation.


I just heard on the news tonight that oil future contracts have gone
from 600,000 in 2008 to over 1,100,000 today. $200 billion dollars
has come into that market over the last few years, all speculative.

The Obama administration is going to put limits on positions, which
should help curtail the profiteering.

There has never been as much reserve and stable demand. Fuel prices
are being driven somewhat by world news but certainly by speculation.


You haven't got a clue about the oil market have you?

Corporations that manufacture items are purchasing futures contracts on
oil all of the time. The need the oil in their manufacturing processes
and they are always looking to buy it at the lowest price available. So,
it isn't only speculators who are in the oil futures market.

Oil is a commodity it is going to be traded as a commodity. The ability
to deliver the commodity is the speculation.

JPS you are a dumb ass.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=8878

Oil speculation is worth 60% of the price...

As a result of the artificial oil market, the average price per barrel
of crude oil increased from $31.61 in July 2004 to $137.11 in July
2008 [source: DOE].

jps March 10th 11 06:34 PM

Dont tap the SPR
 
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:21:39 -0800, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:07:39 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:20:15 -0800, jps wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:14:18 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:10:50 -0800, jps wrote:

Supplies have been going up since the start of the year, and so is the
price. That's nothing to do with supply/demand but speculation.

Who owns those supplies and why did they build their inventories?
You might be surprised to learn that the motives might have more to do
with availability than price. If so, that's commendable . No one
wants to be caught short or stuck in lines at the station. In any
case, building inventories is a self limiting process because there is
only so much capacity.

You mean there's only so much storage capacity. Wasn't Morgan Stanley
manipulating some commodity a couple of years ago by purchasing and
storing it's own supplies?

How's that fit your model? Pure freaking speculation.

I just heard on the news tonight that oil future contracts have gone
from 600,000 in 2008 to over 1,100,000 today. $200 billion dollars
has come into that market over the last few years, all speculative.

The Obama administration is going to put limits on positions, which
should help curtail the profiteering.

There has never been as much reserve and stable demand. Fuel prices
are being driven somewhat by world news but certainly by speculation.


You haven't got a clue about the oil market have you?

Corporations that manufacture items are purchasing futures contracts on
oil all of the time. The need the oil in their manufacturing processes
and they are always looking to buy it at the lowest price available. So,
it isn't only speculators who are in the oil futures market.

Oil is a commodity it is going to be traded as a commodity. The ability
to deliver the commodity is the speculation.

JPS you are a dumb ass.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=8878

Oil speculation is worth 60% of the price...

As a result of the artificial oil market, the average price per barrel
of crude oil increased from $31.61 in July 2004 to $137.11 in July
2008 [source: DOE].


Bertie Poop. Clueless as art. Bad art.


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