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Ziggy®[_4_] January 25th 11 04:11 PM

Whats with all the dead fish and birds?
 
"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 1/24/11 8:24 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:49:36 -0500,
wrote:

On 1/24/11 12:47 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:21:14 -0500,
wrote:

On 1/24/11 11:09 AM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:12:07 -0500,
wrote:

On 1/23/11 12:01 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:51:36 -0500,
wrote:

On 1/23/11 11:38 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:28:01 -0500,
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:22:55 -0500, John

wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:26:24 -0500, L
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:21:25 -0500,

wrote:


On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:31:23 -0500, John

wrote:


On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:15:12 -0500,

wrote:


On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 04:11:17 -0800 (PST),

wrote:


I havent' seent hat mentioned. I can under stand the
birds in Arkansas
(sort of) being hit by lightning, but millions of
dead fish in the
Chesapeake bay?


hmmm

Pretty simple, actually.... the Feds poisoned them....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,483627,00.html

Wish they'd come up with the same program for Canada
Geese.

They do. I work at an airport where they have hired the
feds as
hitmen. They spray the eggs so that new generations
don't hatch and
for the ones that don't get it, they carry 12 gauge
finalizers......

A goose poops like an elephant....

No ****. No - lots of ****. You should see the mess
they've made of the fairways
at the golf course. This year seems much worse than I've
seen it before.

I've hit one with a ball and and I know a few others that
have too.

I hope you killed it. And, I hope it wasn't swimming at the
time. That could
cost a stroke. There's no amount of dead geese worth a
penalty stroke.


That is one advantage of not keeping score. ;-)
The only rule about killing a goose is someone should dress
it out and
eat it. Waste not, want not.

Golf course geese are usually good eating but they may be
fatty. Try
to limit them to once a week.

I tried a goose once, in Germany where they're common at
Christmastime. (Gosh, I
hope my mention of Christmas didn't **** off anyone.)

Anyway, it was atrocious. My kid took the first bite, which
she spit out. I sent
her to her room. I then took my first bite, which I spit out.

So, I called my daughter, apologized for trying to make her
eat the stuff, and
we had hamburgers for Christmas dinner.


Some years ago, my wife and I spent the Thanksgiving holiday
in New
Orleans. The concierge at the little hotel where we were
staying
recommended a Thanksgiving holiday buffet at one of the old,
famous New
Orleans hotel restaurants, I forgot which one. Anyway, we
went. The food
was indeed fabulous, everything beautiful and properly
prepared.

There was a roast goose there, so I asked one of the servers
to slice
off a piece for me. It looked okay and it smelled okay, but I
didn't
care much for the taste. To me, it tasted overly fatty and
gamey.

That was the first and only time I tried roasted goose.

The hotel where we have always stayed in New Orleans:

http://www.lerichelieuhotel.com/

If you like reasonably small hotels with real furniture in the
rooms
and no cookie-cutter-ness anywhere, this is the place to stay.
Free
parking on site, too, and within walking distance of a lot to
see.


Harry, do you feel a strong need to reply to every post I may
make?

I don't like hotels. I don't like bed bugs. I don't like dirty
beds. I enjoy my
RV, and get a lot of use from same.

Just think.... $1500. Not a bad little sum. Just for acting
somewhat mature. You
could probably do it.


Hehehe. All the cheap skates aren't on hockey players, eh,
herring? The
idea of traveling on the road all day and then spending the
night in a
little sardine can camper...naw.

Sorry, Herring, not interested in your bet. Here's another
reason why:
there are many ways for you to wiggle out of it.

Not with Tim holding our money, Harry.


John, I could very easily refrain from insulting anyone here,
directly
or, as you do it usually, indirectly. Unlike you, I am in control
of myself.

If I were making such a bet, I wouldn't need Tim to hold my money
or
yours. You know where I live and I know where you live.

I'll make you a counterbet. I'll bet you I can refrain from making
a
negative comment about any poster here for, say, two weeks. You
can bet
me I can't do that. At the end of the two weeks, if I have
fulfilled the
bet, you can send me $1500 cash. If not, I'll send you $1500 cash.
By
cash, I mean cash, genuine cashier's check, postal money orders...
of
the realm.

That's the entire bet. Take it or leave it. What you do in that
two week
period or beyond is up to you and not part of the bet. I don't
give a
flying **** how you behave here.

Accept or reject.




Gee, two whole weeks? Wow. You're really sure of your capabilities,
aren't you?

Here's my counter-counter bet. We put up $1500, the money to be
held by Tim. We
eackh refrain from making negative comments about any other poster
here for,
say, until we can't control ourselves any longer. The first person
to lose
control and make a negative comment loses the bet. Tim sends the
$3000 to
wherever the winner chooses.

Put something on the line besides your big mouth.


Sorry, Herring...I'd only go for a fixed time period. You think two
weeks is too short? Fine. Make it a month. And the bet is on my
behavior, not yours. As I stated, I don't give a **** how you
behave.
You're free to do as you wish. The bet is on how I behave.

As I said earlier, accept or reject. And I don't need Tim to hold
your
money or mine. If you lose I would expect you to pay up, directly.

If you reject, which I am sure you will do, just move on with your
moronic bets and continue to behave like the asshole you are.

Accept or reject. Simple.

Five years, Harry. Go for it.

Just to make it easy, we'll say 31 December, 2015. That gives you a
few free
weeks.

Yeah, I figured you wouldn't really have the stones.


No one would take your offer, dumb ass. What's in it for John? It's one
sided because you are a pussy.


Harry is a thief. He helped bilk millions from the Uuilco retirees. We
can only guess who's money he's been spending on boats, decks, and gas
grills lately. Probably got his mits into all that payoff money Obama
gave the labor unions and auto manufacturers retirements fund payoffs...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!


You are incorrect. It should be mitts, not mits

--
Ziggy®


Harryk January 25th 11 04:24 PM

Whats with all the dead fish and birds?
 
On 1/25/11 9:57 AM, I am Tosk wrote:

Harry is a thief. He helped bilk millions from the Uuilco retirees. We
can only guess who's money he's been spending on boats, decks, and gas
grills lately. Probably got his mits into all that payoff money Obama
gave the labor unions and auto manufacturers retirements fund payoffs...



Listen up, Scotty Ingersoll. I know you are dumber than a pile of dog
****, and I know you've seen this before, but obviously you didn't
understand it.

*No* retiree whose retirement was in any way secured by ULLICO's
investments of pension funds lost a penny of their retirement's value or
income because of alleged "insider" stock transactions.

Members of the ULLICO board of directors and a few very senior staff
people (and I was not part of either of those groups) were allowed to
purchase and sell shares of ULLICO stock. Some of them made serious
dinero over what could have been called insider stock trading, if ULLICO
had been a publicly owned company. But, ULLICO was and is a closed
corporation whose shares are closely held, mostly by those in the
pension fund business. Those who made those profits shouldn't have done
it, even though the firm's outside counsel said they could, and they had
to pay back the profits they made.

Be that as it may, none of that trading had anything to do with the
investments of retiree funds the company handled. Not a single dollar
was "bilked" from any "ULLICO retirees."

You really are an ignorant little ****, aren't you?


Despot January 25th 11 05:59 PM

Whats with all the dead fish and birds?
 
On 1/25/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 1/25/11 9:57 AM, I am Tosk wrote:

Harry is a thief. He helped bilk millions from the Uuilco retirees. We
can only guess who's money he's been spending on boats, decks, and gas
grills lately. Probably got his mits into all that payoff money Obama
gave the labor unions and auto manufacturers retirements fund payoffs...



Listen up, Scotty Ingersoll. I know you are dumber than a pile of dog
****, and I know you've seen this before, but obviously you didn't
understand it.

*No* retiree whose retirement was in any way secured by ULLICO's
investments of pension funds lost a penny of their retirement's value or
income because of alleged "insider" stock transactions.

Members of the ULLICO board of directors and a few very senior staff
people (and I was not part of either of those groups) were allowed to
purchase and sell shares of ULLICO stock. Some of them made serious
dinero over what could have been called insider stock trading, if ULLICO
had been a publicly owned company. But, ULLICO was and is a closed
corporation whose shares are closely held, mostly by those in the
pension fund business. Those who made those profits shouldn't have done
it, even though the firm's outside counsel said they could, and they had
to pay back the profits they made.

Be that as it may, none of that trading had anything to do with the
investments of retiree funds the company handled. Not a single dollar
was "bilked" from any "ULLICO retirees."


Another example of those evil, greedy corporations.

Oh wait, sorry, not evil. You work(ed) for them.


-----------------
Oh my, this narrative sure sounds different from yours. I guess it's a
matter of whose ox got gored:


Incorruptible labor legends Samuel Gompers and George Meany must be
spinning in their graves. After becoming the first president of the
American Federation of Labor (AFL) in 1886, Mr. Gompers founded the
Union Labor Life Insurance Co. (now the major subsidiary of the ULLICO
holding company) in 1925 in order to provide affordable insurance and
other financial services to union members. Mr. Meany, who became the
first president of the merged AFL-CIO in 1955 and served in that
capacity for a quarter-century, worked inexhaustibly to eliminate
corruption within the labor movement — which included expelling the
Teamsters from the AFL-CIO in 1957. That same year, the AFL-CIO adopted
a rule mandating the expulsion of any union official invoking the Fifth
Amendment to avoid scrutiny in a corruption case.

Last week, former ULLICO Chairman and CEO Robert Georgine took the Fifth
during a House Education and Workforce Committee hearing. The committee
is investigating a massive ULLICO insider-dealing scandal that has
engulfed many of organized labor’s most powerful bosses, including
Morton Bahr (president of the Communications Workers of America),
Douglas McCarron (general president of the carpenters) and Martin
Maddaloni (president of the plumbers and pipe-fitters). Mr. Georgine
himself headed the AFL-CIO’s Building and Construction Trades Department
from 1974-2000.

It was during the end of his tenure at the AFL-CIO that Mr. Georgine
enticed numerous of his ULLICO board colleagues and officers into a
secretive surefire get-rich-quick scheme that eventually netted the
self-dealers nearly $14 million in profits.

The ULLICO scandal can be traced to its early investment in Global
Crossing, the same once-high-flying-now-bankrupt telecom that turned a
$100,000 investment by Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry
McAuliffe into a $18 million pot of gold. Like Mr. McAuliffe, the labor
leaders cashed in their Global Crossing-related profits before the firm
went over the cliff, taking $50 billion worth of other shareholders’
investments with it.

In February 1997, the privately owned ULLICO invested $7.5 million in
the predecessor firm of Global Crossing, which went public in September
1998. By 1999, ULLICO’s investment in Global Crossing was worth well
over $1 billion, and it became the driving force behind ULLICO’s share
price, which was adjusted annually to reflect its net worth. With Global
Crossing’s stock price soaring throughout 1998 and 1999, ULLICO’s share
price would be adjusted accordingly, a process that occurred each May
based on ULLICO’s book value on Dec. 31.

In 1998 and 1999, Mr. Georgine secretly offered directors and officers
exclusive opportunities to purchase a total of 8,000 shares of ULLICO
stock before the annual adjustment of its stock price was made. (Union
pension funds, which held the vast majority of ULLICO’s stock, were
virtually shut out of the surefire get-rich-quick scheme.) In a Dec. 17,
1999 confidential memo, for example, Mr. Georgine offered the union
directors and officers the opportunity to purchase 4,000 shares of
ULLICO stock at $54 per share. Global Crossing closed at $52.56 (nearly
two-and-a-half times its year-earlier price of $22.50) on Dec. 16, 1999,
the day before Mr. Georgine wrote his confidential memo. Thus, it was a
certainty that ULLICO’s share price would soar when it was reassessed
two weeks later. As it happened, the ULLICO shares purchased for $54
jumped in value to $146 after the annual share-price adjustment.

In March 2000, however, Global Crossing’s stock price began to fall. By
December 2000, it had plummeted below $15 a share. Global Crossing’s
collapse would adversely affect ULLICO’s share price in a very big way.
(But, not to worry if you were a ULLICO officer or director.) During
December 2000 and January 2001, ULLICO repurchased more than 200,000
shares from its union-boss directors and officers at $146 per share.
Shares purchased by the bosses a year earlier at $54 were redeemed at
$146, yielding a profit of nearly $100 per share, even though Global
Crossing’s share price had plunged, necessitating a huge markdown in
ULLICO’s share price. Mr. Georgine netted a pre-tax profit of $840,000,
while Mr. McCarron collected $420,000. Mr. Maddaloni reportedly pocketed
nearly $250,000.

AFL-CIO President John Sweeney was a member of ULLICO’s board, but he
did not participate in the self-dealing. As the scandal progressed in
recent months, Mr. Sweeney played an important role, with mixed success,
in pressuring directors and officers to return their ill-gotten gains.
But where was he when the skullduggery was taking place? As a board
member, he almost certainly had to know about Mr. Georgine’s scheme long
before it became public during the spring last year.

Why didn’t Mr. Sweeney blow the whistle on this corruption? After all,
it was Mr. Sweeney who declared: “Enron exposed what many of us have
been saying: The boards of directors that are charged with acting in the
interest of investors and the public are riddled with greed,
self-dealing and plain selfishness.” As Damon Silvers, the counsel to
ULLICO’s new chairman and an associate general counsel of the AFL-CIO,
told the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, “Our company
was the victim of serious misconduct during the period from 1998 to
2002.” Where was ULLICO board member John Sweeney from 1998 through the
better part of 2002 as his fellow board members were looting his company
at the expense of union pension funds? Some answers would be welcome.


[email protected] January 25th 11 07:32 PM

Whats with all the dead fish and birds?
 
On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 04:11:17 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

I havent' seent hat mentioned. I can under stand the birds in Arkansas
(sort of) being hit by lightning, but millions of dead fish in the
Chesapeake bay?


hmmm


Here's the answer to the question... I'm not making this up.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...se-dadt-repeal

John H[_2_] January 26th 11 12:55 AM

Whats with all the dead fish and birds?
 
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:03:56 -0500, Harryk wrote:

On 1/24/11 8:24 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:49:36 -0500, wrote:

On 1/24/11 12:47 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:21:14 -0500, wrote:

On 1/24/11 11:09 AM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:12:07 -0500, wrote:

On 1/23/11 12:01 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:51:36 -0500, wrote:

On 1/23/11 11:38 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:28:01 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:22:55 -0500, John
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:26:24 -0500, L wrote:

John H wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:21:25 -0500,
wrote:


On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:31:23 -0500, John
wrote:


On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:15:12 -0500,
wrote:


On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 04:11:17 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


I havent' seent hat mentioned. I can under stand the birds in Arkansas
(sort of) being hit by lightning, but millions of dead fish in the
Chesapeake bay?


hmmm

Pretty simple, actually.... the Feds poisoned them....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,483627,00.html

Wish they'd come up with the same program for Canada Geese.

They do. I work at an airport where they have hired the feds as
hitmen. They spray the eggs so that new generations don't hatch and
for the ones that don't get it, they carry 12 gauge finalizers......

A goose poops like an elephant....

No ****. No - lots of ****. You should see the mess they've made of the fairways
at the golf course. This year seems much worse than I've seen it before.

I've hit one with a ball and and I know a few others that have too.

I hope you killed it. And, I hope it wasn't swimming at the time. That could
cost a stroke. There's no amount of dead geese worth a penalty stroke.


That is one advantage of not keeping score. ;-)
The only rule about killing a goose is someone should dress it out and
eat it. Waste not, want not.

Golf course geese are usually good eating but they may be fatty. Try
to limit them to once a week.

I tried a goose once, in Germany where they're common at Christmastime. (Gosh, I
hope my mention of Christmas didn't **** off anyone.)

Anyway, it was atrocious. My kid took the first bite, which she spit out. I sent
her to her room. I then took my first bite, which I spit out.

So, I called my daughter, apologized for trying to make her eat the stuff, and
we had hamburgers for Christmas dinner.


Some years ago, my wife and I spent the Thanksgiving holiday in New
Orleans. The concierge at the little hotel where we were staying
recommended a Thanksgiving holiday buffet at one of the old, famous New
Orleans hotel restaurants, I forgot which one. Anyway, we went. The food
was indeed fabulous, everything beautiful and properly prepared.

There was a roast goose there, so I asked one of the servers to slice
off a piece for me. It looked okay and it smelled okay, but I didn't
care much for the taste. To me, it tasted overly fatty and gamey.

That was the first and only time I tried roasted goose.

The hotel where we have always stayed in New Orleans:

http://www.lerichelieuhotel.com/

If you like reasonably small hotels with real furniture in the rooms
and no cookie-cutter-ness anywhere, this is the place to stay. Free
parking on site, too, and within walking distance of a lot to see.


Harry, do you feel a strong need to reply to every post I may make?

I don't like hotels. I don't like bed bugs. I don't like dirty beds. I enjoy my
RV, and get a lot of use from same.

Just think.... $1500. Not a bad little sum. Just for acting somewhat mature. You
could probably do it.


Hehehe. All the cheap skates aren't on hockey players, eh, herring? The
idea of traveling on the road all day and then spending the night in a
little sardine can camper...naw.

Sorry, Herring, not interested in your bet. Here's another reason why:
there are many ways for you to wiggle out of it.

Not with Tim holding our money, Harry.


John, I could very easily refrain from insulting anyone here, directly
or, as you do it usually, indirectly. Unlike you, I am in control of myself.

If I were making such a bet, I wouldn't need Tim to hold my money or
yours. You know where I live and I know where you live.

I'll make you a counterbet. I'll bet you I can refrain from making a
negative comment about any poster here for, say, two weeks. You can bet
me I can't do that. At the end of the two weeks, if I have fulfilled the
bet, you can send me $1500 cash. If not, I'll send you $1500 cash. By
cash, I mean cash, genuine cashier's check, postal money orders... of
the realm.

That's the entire bet. Take it or leave it. What you do in that two week
period or beyond is up to you and not part of the bet. I don't give a
flying **** how you behave here.

Accept or reject.




Gee, two whole weeks? Wow. You're really sure of your capabilities, aren't you?

Here's my counter-counter bet. We put up $1500, the money to be held by Tim. We
eackh refrain from making negative comments about any other poster here for,
say, until we can't control ourselves any longer. The first person to lose
control and make a negative comment loses the bet. Tim sends the $3000 to
wherever the winner chooses.

Put something on the line besides your big mouth.


Sorry, Herring...I'd only go for a fixed time period. You think two
weeks is too short? Fine. Make it a month. And the bet is on my
behavior, not yours. As I stated, I don't give a **** how you behave.
You're free to do as you wish. The bet is on how I behave.

As I said earlier, accept or reject. And I don't need Tim to hold your
money or mine. If you lose I would expect you to pay up, directly.

If you reject, which I am sure you will do, just move on with your
moronic bets and continue to behave like the asshole you are.

Accept or reject. Simple.


Five years, Harry. Go for it.

Just to make it easy, we'll say 31 December, 2015. That gives you a few free
weeks.


Yeah, I figured you wouldn't really have the stones.


*I* wouldn't have the stones? You're admitting you lack the maturity and
discipline to control your behavior for a decent amount of time?

Harryk January 26th 11 12:58 AM

Whats with all the dead fish and birds?
 
On 1/25/11 6:55 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:03:56 -0500, wrote:

On 1/24/11 8:24 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:49:36 -0500, wrote:

On 1/24/11 12:47 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:21:14 -0500, wrote:

On 1/24/11 11:09 AM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:12:07 -0500, wrote:

On 1/23/11 12:01 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:51:36 -0500, wrote:

On 1/23/11 11:38 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:28:01 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:22:55 -0500, John
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:26:24 -0500, L wrote:

John H wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:21:25 -0500,
wrote:


On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:31:23 -0500, John
wrote:


On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:15:12 -0500,
wrote:


On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 04:11:17 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


I havent' seent hat mentioned. I can under stand the birds in Arkansas
(sort of) being hit by lightning, but millions of dead fish in the
Chesapeake bay?


hmmm

Pretty simple, actually.... the Feds poisoned them....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,483627,00.html

Wish they'd come up with the same program for Canada Geese.

They do. I work at an airport where they have hired the feds as
hitmen. They spray the eggs so that new generations don't hatch and
for the ones that don't get it, they carry 12 gauge finalizers......

A goose poops like an elephant....

No ****. No - lots of ****. You should see the mess they've made of the fairways
at the golf course. This year seems much worse than I've seen it before.

I've hit one with a ball and and I know a few others that have too.

I hope you killed it. And, I hope it wasn't swimming at the time. That could
cost a stroke. There's no amount of dead geese worth a penalty stroke.


That is one advantage of not keeping score. ;-)
The only rule about killing a goose is someone should dress it out and
eat it. Waste not, want not.

Golf course geese are usually good eating but they may be fatty. Try
to limit them to once a week.

I tried a goose once, in Germany where they're common at Christmastime. (Gosh, I
hope my mention of Christmas didn't **** off anyone.)

Anyway, it was atrocious. My kid took the first bite, which she spit out. I sent
her to her room. I then took my first bite, which I spit out.

So, I called my daughter, apologized for trying to make her eat the stuff, and
we had hamburgers for Christmas dinner.


Some years ago, my wife and I spent the Thanksgiving holiday in New
Orleans. The concierge at the little hotel where we were staying
recommended a Thanksgiving holiday buffet at one of the old, famous New
Orleans hotel restaurants, I forgot which one. Anyway, we went. The food
was indeed fabulous, everything beautiful and properly prepared.

There was a roast goose there, so I asked one of the servers to slice
off a piece for me. It looked okay and it smelled okay, but I didn't
care much for the taste. To me, it tasted overly fatty and gamey.

That was the first and only time I tried roasted goose.

The hotel where we have always stayed in New Orleans:

http://www.lerichelieuhotel.com/

If you like reasonably small hotels with real furniture in the rooms
and no cookie-cutter-ness anywhere, this is the place to stay. Free
parking on site, too, and within walking distance of a lot to see.


Harry, do you feel a strong need to reply to every post I may make?

I don't like hotels. I don't like bed bugs. I don't like dirty beds. I enjoy my
RV, and get a lot of use from same.

Just think.... $1500. Not a bad little sum. Just for acting somewhat mature. You
could probably do it.


Hehehe. All the cheap skates aren't on hockey players, eh, herring? The
idea of traveling on the road all day and then spending the night in a
little sardine can camper...naw.

Sorry, Herring, not interested in your bet. Here's another reason why:
there are many ways for you to wiggle out of it.

Not with Tim holding our money, Harry.


John, I could very easily refrain from insulting anyone here, directly
or, as you do it usually, indirectly. Unlike you, I am in control of myself.

If I were making such a bet, I wouldn't need Tim to hold my money or
yours. You know where I live and I know where you live.

I'll make you a counterbet. I'll bet you I can refrain from making a
negative comment about any poster here for, say, two weeks. You can bet
me I can't do that. At the end of the two weeks, if I have fulfilled the
bet, you can send me $1500 cash. If not, I'll send you $1500 cash. By
cash, I mean cash, genuine cashier's check, postal money orders... of
the realm.

That's the entire bet. Take it or leave it. What you do in that two week
period or beyond is up to you and not part of the bet. I don't give a
flying **** how you behave here.

Accept or reject.




Gee, two whole weeks? Wow. You're really sure of your capabilities, aren't you?

Here's my counter-counter bet. We put up $1500, the money to be held by Tim. We
eackh refrain from making negative comments about any other poster here for,
say, until we can't control ourselves any longer. The first person to lose
control and make a negative comment loses the bet. Tim sends the $3000 to
wherever the winner chooses.

Put something on the line besides your big mouth.


Sorry, Herring...I'd only go for a fixed time period. You think two
weeks is too short? Fine. Make it a month. And the bet is on my
behavior, not yours. As I stated, I don't give a **** how you behave.
You're free to do as you wish. The bet is on how I behave.

As I said earlier, accept or reject. And I don't need Tim to hold your
money or mine. If you lose I would expect you to pay up, directly.

If you reject, which I am sure you will do, just move on with your
moronic bets and continue to behave like the asshole you are.

Accept or reject. Simple.

Five years, Harry. Go for it.

Just to make it easy, we'll say 31 December, 2015. That gives you a few free
weeks.


Yeah, I figured you wouldn't really have the stones.


*I* wouldn't have the stones? You're admitting you lack the maturity and
discipline to control your behavior for a decent amount of time?



No, Herring, I was simply declaring you haven't the stones to back up
your mouth, as it were. And I also had stated earlier I wasn't
interested in negotiating with you. It was a take or or leave it. You
left it.

John H[_2_] January 26th 11 12:58 AM

Whats with all the dead fish and birds?
 
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:59:31 -0500, Despot wrote:

On 1/25/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 1/25/11 9:57 AM, I am Tosk wrote:

Harry is a thief. He helped bilk millions from the Uuilco retirees. We
can only guess who's money he's been spending on boats, decks, and gas
grills lately. Probably got his mits into all that payoff money Obama
gave the labor unions and auto manufacturers retirements fund payoffs...



Listen up, Scotty Ingersoll. I know you are dumber than a pile of dog
****, and I know you've seen this before, but obviously you didn't
understand it.

*No* retiree whose retirement was in any way secured by ULLICO's
investments of pension funds lost a penny of their retirement's value or
income because of alleged "insider" stock transactions.

Members of the ULLICO board of directors and a few very senior staff
people (and I was not part of either of those groups) were allowed to
purchase and sell shares of ULLICO stock. Some of them made serious
dinero over what could have been called insider stock trading, if ULLICO
had been a publicly owned company. But, ULLICO was and is a closed
corporation whose shares are closely held, mostly by those in the
pension fund business. Those who made those profits shouldn't have done
it, even though the firm's outside counsel said they could, and they had
to pay back the profits they made.

Be that as it may, none of that trading had anything to do with the
investments of retiree funds the company handled. Not a single dollar
was "bilked" from any "ULLICO retirees."


Another example of those evil, greedy corporations.

Oh wait, sorry, not evil. You work(ed) for them.


-----------------
Oh my, this narrative sure sounds different from yours. I guess it's a
matter of whose ox got gored:


Incorruptible labor legends Samuel Gompers and George Meany must be
spinning in their graves. After becoming the first president of the
American Federation of Labor (AFL) in 1886, Mr. Gompers founded the
Union Labor Life Insurance Co. (now the major subsidiary of the ULLICO
holding company) in 1925 in order to provide affordable insurance and
other financial services to union members. Mr. Meany, who became the
first president of the merged AFL-CIO in 1955 and served in that
capacity for a quarter-century, worked inexhaustibly to eliminate
corruption within the labor movement — which included expelling the
Teamsters from the AFL-CIO in 1957. That same year, the AFL-CIO adopted
a rule mandating the expulsion of any union official invoking the Fifth
Amendment to avoid scrutiny in a corruption case.

Last week, former ULLICO Chairman and CEO Robert Georgine took the Fifth
during a House Education and Workforce Committee hearing. The committee
is investigating a massive ULLICO insider-dealing scandal that has
engulfed many of organized labor’s most powerful bosses, including
Morton Bahr (president of the Communications Workers of America),
Douglas McCarron (general president of the carpenters) and Martin
Maddaloni (president of the plumbers and pipe-fitters). Mr. Georgine
himself headed the AFL-CIO’s Building and Construction Trades Department
from 1974-2000.

It was during the end of his tenure at the AFL-CIO that Mr. Georgine
enticed numerous of his ULLICO board colleagues and officers into a
secretive surefire get-rich-quick scheme that eventually netted the
self-dealers nearly $14 million in profits.

The ULLICO scandal can be traced to its early investment in Global
Crossing, the same once-high-flying-now-bankrupt telecom that turned a
$100,000 investment by Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry
McAuliffe into a $18 million pot of gold. Like Mr. McAuliffe, the labor
leaders cashed in their Global Crossing-related profits before the firm
went over the cliff, taking $50 billion worth of other shareholders’
investments with it.

In February 1997, the privately owned ULLICO invested $7.5 million in
the predecessor firm of Global Crossing, which went public in September
1998. By 1999, ULLICO’s investment in Global Crossing was worth well
over $1 billion, and it became the driving force behind ULLICO’s share
price, which was adjusted annually to reflect its net worth. With Global
Crossing’s stock price soaring throughout 1998 and 1999, ULLICO’s share
price would be adjusted accordingly, a process that occurred each May
based on ULLICO’s book value on Dec. 31.

In 1998 and 1999, Mr. Georgine secretly offered directors and officers
exclusive opportunities to purchase a total of 8,000 shares of ULLICO
stock before the annual adjustment of its stock price was made. (Union
pension funds, which held the vast majority of ULLICO’s stock, were
virtually shut out of the surefire get-rich-quick scheme.) In a Dec. 17,
1999 confidential memo, for example, Mr. Georgine offered the union
directors and officers the opportunity to purchase 4,000 shares of
ULLICO stock at $54 per share. Global Crossing closed at $52.56 (nearly
two-and-a-half times its year-earlier price of $22.50) on Dec. 16, 1999,
the day before Mr. Georgine wrote his confidential memo. Thus, it was a
certainty that ULLICO’s share price would soar when it was reassessed
two weeks later. As it happened, the ULLICO shares purchased for $54
jumped in value to $146 after the annual share-price adjustment.

In March 2000, however, Global Crossing’s stock price began to fall. By
December 2000, it had plummeted below $15 a share. Global Crossing’s
collapse would adversely affect ULLICO’s share price in a very big way.
(But, not to worry if you were a ULLICO officer or director.) During
December 2000 and January 2001, ULLICO repurchased more than 200,000
shares from its union-boss directors and officers at $146 per share.
Shares purchased by the bosses a year earlier at $54 were redeemed at
$146, yielding a profit of nearly $100 per share, even though Global
Crossing’s share price had plunged, necessitating a huge markdown in
ULLICO’s share price. Mr. Georgine netted a pre-tax profit of $840,000,
while Mr. McCarron collected $420,000. Mr. Maddaloni reportedly pocketed
nearly $250,000.

AFL-CIO President John Sweeney was a member of ULLICO’s board, but he
did not participate in the self-dealing. As the scandal progressed in
recent months, Mr. Sweeney played an important role, with mixed success,
in pressuring directors and officers to return their ill-gotten gains.
But where was he when the skullduggery was taking place? As a board
member, he almost certainly had to know about Mr. Georgine’s scheme long
before it became public during the spring last year.

Why didn’t Mr. Sweeney blow the whistle on this corruption? After all,
it was Mr. Sweeney who declared: “Enron exposed what many of us have
been saying: The boards of directors that are charged with acting in the
interest of investors and the public are riddled with greed,
self-dealing and plain selfishness.” As Damon Silvers, the counsel to
ULLICO’s new chairman and an associate general counsel of the AFL-CIO,
told the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, “Our company
was the victim of serious misconduct during the period from 1998 to
2002.” Where was ULLICO board member John Sweeney from 1998 through the
better part of 2002 as his fellow board members were looting his company
at the expense of union pension funds? Some answers would be welcome.


That impugns Harry's integrity. It can't be true.

Harryk January 26th 11 01:02 AM

Whats with all the dead fish and birds?
 
On 1/25/11 6:58 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:59:31 -0500, wrote:


Incorruptible labor legends Samuel Gompers and George Meany must be



That impugns Harry's integrity. It can't be true.



Sorry, **** for brains, but that right-wing screed has nothing to do
with reality or with me. You righties have posted it here a dozen times
over the years. It was bull**** then and it is bull**** now.

But, hey, have your mindless right-wing fun with it.


L G[_17_] January 26th 11 01:44 AM

Whats with all the dead fish and birds?
 
John H wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:49:36 -0500, wrote:


On 1/24/11 12:47 PM, John H wrote:

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:21:14 -0500, wrote:


On 1/24/11 11:09 AM, John H wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:12:07 -0500, wrote:


On 1/23/11 12:01 PM, John H wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:51:36 -0500, wrote:


On 1/23/11 11:38 AM, John H wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:28:01 -0500, wrote:


On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:22:55 -0500, John
wrote:


On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:26:24 -0500, L wrote:


John H wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:21:25 -0500,
wrote:



On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:31:23 -0500, John
wrote:



On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:15:12 -0500,
wrote:



On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 04:11:17 -0800 (PST),
wrote:



I havent' seent hat mentioned. I can under stand the birds in Arkansas
(sort of) being hit by lightning, but millions of dead fish in the
Chesapeake bay?


hmmm


Pretty simple, actually.... the Feds poisoned them....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,483627,00.html


Wish they'd come up with the same program for Canada Geese.


They do. I work at an airport where they have hired the feds as
hitmen. They spray the eggs so that new generations don't hatch and
for the ones that don't get it, they carry 12 gauge finalizers......

A goose poops like an elephant....


No ****. No - lots of ****. You should see the mess they've made of the fairways
at the golf course. This year seems much worse than I've seen it before.


I've hit one with a ball and and I know a few others that have too.

I hope you killed it. And, I hope it wasn't swimming at the time. That could
cost a stroke. There's no amount of dead geese worth a penalty stroke.


That is one advantage of not keeping score. ;-)
The only rule about killing a goose is someone should dress it out and
eat it. Waste not, want not.

Golf course geese are usually good eating but they may be fatty. Try
to limit them to once a week.

I tried a goose once, in Germany where they're common at Christmastime. (Gosh, I
hope my mention of Christmas didn't **** off anyone.)

Anyway, it was atrocious. My kid took the first bite, which she spit out. I sent
her to her room. I then took my first bite, which I spit out.

So, I called my daughter, apologized for trying to make her eat the stuff, and
we had hamburgers for Christmas dinner.


Some years ago, my wife and I spent the Thanksgiving holiday in New
Orleans. The concierge at the little hotel where we were staying
recommended a Thanksgiving holiday buffet at one of the old, famous New
Orleans hotel restaurants, I forgot which one. Anyway, we went. The food
was indeed fabulous, everything beautiful and properly prepared.

There was a roast goose there, so I asked one of the servers to slice
off a piece for me. It looked okay and it smelled okay, but I didn't
care much for the taste. To me, it tasted overly fatty and gamey.

That was the first and only time I tried roasted goose.

The hotel where we have always stayed in New Orleans:

http://www.lerichelieuhotel.com/

If you like reasonably small hotels with real furniture in the rooms
and no cookie-cutter-ness anywhere, this is the place to stay. Free
parking on site, too, and within walking distance of a lot to see.


Harry, do you feel a strong need to reply to every post I may make?

I don't like hotels. I don't like bed bugs. I don't like dirty beds. I enjoy my
RV, and get a lot of use from same.

Just think.... $1500. Not a bad little sum. Just for acting somewhat mature. You
could probably do it.


Hehehe. All the cheap skates aren't on hockey players, eh, herring? The
idea of traveling on the road all day and then spending the night in a
little sardine can camper...naw.

Sorry, Herring, not interested in your bet. Here's another reason why:
there are many ways for you to wiggle out of it.

Not with Tim holding our money, Harry.


John, I could very easily refrain from insulting anyone here, directly
or, as you do it usually, indirectly. Unlike you, I am in control of myself.

If I were making such a bet, I wouldn't need Tim to hold my money or
yours. You know where I live and I know where you live.

I'll make you a counterbet. I'll bet you I can refrain from making a
negative comment about any poster here for, say, two weeks. You can bet
me I can't do that. At the end of the two weeks, if I have fulfilled the
bet, you can send me $1500 cash. If not, I'll send you $1500 cash. By
cash, I mean cash, genuine cashier's check, postal money orders... of
the realm.

That's the entire bet. Take it or leave it. What you do in that two week
period or beyond is up to you and not part of the bet. I don't give a
flying **** how you behave here.

Accept or reject.




Gee, two whole weeks? Wow. You're really sure of your capabilities, aren't you?

Here's my counter-counter bet. We put up $1500, the money to be held by Tim. We
eackh refrain from making negative comments about any other poster here for,
say, until we can't control ourselves any longer. The first person to lose
control and make a negative comment loses the bet. Tim sends the $3000 to
wherever the winner chooses.

Put something on the line besides your big mouth.


Sorry, Herring...I'd only go for a fixed time period. You think two
weeks is too short? Fine. Make it a month. And the bet is on my
behavior, not yours. As I stated, I don't give a **** how you behave.
You're free to do as you wish. The bet is on how I behave.

As I said earlier, accept or reject. And I don't need Tim to hold your
money or mine. If you lose I would expect you to pay up, directly.

If you reject, which I am sure you will do, just move on with your
moronic bets and continue to behave like the asshole you are.

Accept or reject. Simple.

Five years, Harry. Go for it.

Just to make it easy, we'll say 31 December, 2015. That gives you a few free
weeks.

He has to live that long.

Despot January 26th 11 02:37 PM

Whats with all the dead fish and birds?
 
On 1/25/2011 7:02 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 1/25/11 6:58 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:59:31 -0500, wrote:


Incorruptible labor legends Samuel Gompers and George Meany must be



That impugns Harry's integrity. It can't be true.



Sorry, **** for brains, but that right-wing screed has nothing to do
with reality or with me. You righties have posted it here a dozen times
over the years. It was bull**** then and it is bull**** now.


It's not true, damnit, it's not true because I say it's not true.

Why can't you people just believe me, damnit.

I'm stamping my feet while I'm typing this, I'm hopping mad.


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