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says... On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:34:09 -0800, wrote: And Obama is coming up on 2 years with no progress. When we finally leave it is going to still be a **** hole ... dominated by a stronger Taliban than there is now. Every innocent person we kill results in dozens of new Taliban members. Everyone in their extended family. We have become the Soviets to them. Two years of no progress because Bush left such a mess. We haven't become the soviets... we might become them, but not so far. I don't see any different policies or timetables coming out of this administration. Nonsense. Bush had no timetables. None. He resisted every call for such. McCain and other R's have castigated Obama for his timetables. Let Afghanistan fester as he ****ed with Iraq too. Morons call Afghanistan a 10 year war. The war only got going after Obama came in. More casualties in Obama's 2 years than all the Bush years. Because our boys are fighting now. There is a timetable and a plan. A man, a plan, Afghanistan. It is fun to blame Bush for everything but some ideas are just fundamentally wrong, no matter who is doing it. It's only fun when his defenders pipe up, as you do here. Our man in Kabul is negotiating with the Taliban as we speak so I think the whole mission was a waste of time. The "mission" is simply a working government in Afghanistan so we don't have to re-invade. Easy concept to grasp. That goal has been repeated ad infinitum. Your fault if your ears don't work. Doesn't matter if Taliban is part of the scenery there. We keep fighting terrorism like it was a central government endeavor. Nonsense. Yemen and Somalia are also in the crosshairs. And all stable governments are fighting terrorism. Even the unstable governments of Somalia and Yemen are doing so. Why? To avoid becoming Afghanistan. There is no central character or even a central organization. We are fighting an idea and the next attack is as likely to come from Indonesia or Africa as Afghanistan/Pakistan. Uh, AQ has been behind every attack. You haven't heard? You thought it was the Willie Wonka Chocolate Factory carrying out attacks on the U.S.? The "idea" you mention isn't an idea. It's basically "kill Americans" and any innocent who gets in the way of that. Pretty easy to defeat compared to real "ideas" that find widespread support. Costly, but not even close to that spent against commies and Nazis. |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:08:54 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:34:09 -0800, wrote: And Obama is coming up on 2 years with no progress. When we finally leave it is going to still be a **** hole ... dominated by a stronger Taliban than there is now. Every innocent person we kill results in dozens of new Taliban members. Everyone in their extended family. We have become the Soviets to them. Two years of no progress because Bush left such a mess. We haven't become the soviets... we might become them, but not so far. I don't see any different policies or timetables coming out of this administration. It is fun to blame Bush for everything but some ideas are just fundamentally wrong, no matter who is doing it. Our man in Kabul is negotiating with the Taliban as we speak so I think the whole mission was a waste of time. We keep fighting terrorism like it was a central government endeavor. There is no central character or even a central organization. We are fighting an idea and the next attack is as likely to come from Indonesia or Africa as Afghanistan/Pakistan. Then you aren't really looking. |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:55:03 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:00:57 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:28:34 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:50:14 -0500, bpuharic wrote: Our man in Kabul is negotiating with the Taliban as we speak so I think the whole mission was a waste of time. nope. part of the negotiations is a guarantee that al qaida will never be permitted to establish residence in afghanistan and attack the US. Cross their heart and hope to die huh?. i know you're kinda stupid, but it doesnt take alot of imagination to see that a residence of troops in the country will guarantee this.... So we are not going to ever withdraw. That was all I said. tell it to the europeans, the koreans and the japanese. as i said, you're not too bright no one gives a **** what he does. he'll probably be one of the 1st victims of the taliban. which is fine. The last two attacks came from Yemen from al qaida ever hear of 'em? Yes they are everywhere, it is not a central organizations, neither are US special forces. they can go where ever, whenever needed. It is clear the terrorists have already won. All they need to do is bungle an attack and we take away more rights from our citizens. if they won why are they still fighting? |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 02:35:45 -0500, wrote:
.. We can leave now and have it descend into civil war or we can stay there 10 more years and thousands more dead Americans, then have it descend into civil war. civil war is the way of islam. we can only hope the religion of peace continues to kill its adherents |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 02:35:45 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:46:13 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:08:54 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:34:09 -0800, wrote: And Obama is coming up on 2 years with no progress. When we finally leave it is going to still be a **** hole ... dominated by a stronger Taliban than there is now. Every innocent person we kill results in dozens of new Taliban members. Everyone in their extended family. We have become the Soviets to them. Two years of no progress because Bush left such a mess. We haven't become the soviets... we might become them, but not so far. I don't see any different policies or timetables coming out of this administration. It is fun to blame Bush for everything but some ideas are just fundamentally wrong, no matter who is doing it. Our man in Kabul is negotiating with the Taliban as we speak so I think the whole mission was a waste of time. We keep fighting terrorism like it was a central government endeavor. There is no central character or even a central organization. We are fighting an idea and the next attack is as likely to come from Indonesia or Africa as Afghanistan/Pakistan. Then you aren't really looking. They are saying 2014 today but I bet that slips, unless we simply declare victory and let the big dog eat. Anyone who really thinks Afghanistan will end up being anything remotely like a western democracy or even have what we consider a functioning government is foolish. We can leave now and have it descend into civil war or we can stay there 10 more years and thousands more dead Americans, then have it descend into civil war. I don't know why you keep talking about "the big dog." It's really a meaningless phrase. I don't think there's anyone in the gov't who actually believes that we'll have a western-style democracy there. They can certainly have a functioning gov't. But of course this is all Obama's fault, right? |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:08:51 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:17:08 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 02:35:45 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:46:13 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:08:54 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:34:09 -0800, wrote: And Obama is coming up on 2 years with no progress. When we finally leave it is going to still be a **** hole ... dominated by a stronger Taliban than there is now. Every innocent person we kill results in dozens of new Taliban members. Everyone in their extended family. We have become the Soviets to them. Two years of no progress because Bush left such a mess. We haven't become the soviets... we might become them, but not so far. I don't see any different policies or timetables coming out of this administration. It is fun to blame Bush for everything but some ideas are just fundamentally wrong, no matter who is doing it. Our man in Kabul is negotiating with the Taliban as we speak so I think the whole mission was a waste of time. We keep fighting terrorism like it was a central government endeavor. There is no central character or even a central organization. We are fighting an idea and the next attack is as likely to come from Indonesia or Africa as Afghanistan/Pakistan. Then you aren't really looking. They are saying 2014 today but I bet that slips, unless we simply declare victory and let the big dog eat. Anyone who really thinks Afghanistan will end up being anything remotely like a western democracy or even have what we consider a functioning government is foolish. We can leave now and have it descend into civil war or we can stay there 10 more years and thousands more dead Americans, then have it descend into civil war. I don't know why you keep talking about "the big dog." It's really a meaningless phrase. I don't think there's anyone in the gov't who actually believes that we'll have a western-style democracy there. They can certainly have a functioning gov't. But of course this is all Obama's fault, right? Obama has nothing to do with it nor did Bush. Even Bob admits these are tribal societies who are incapable of having anything but continual civil war. There was a guy on Charley Rose the other night quoting McCrystal. Basically he said we can't catch and kill our way out of this problem. The Taliban quickly replaces their fallen leaders and we are really at war with their birth rate. These people are not advancing any real complex agenda. A leader is anyone who will stand up and say "follow me". You claimed that Obama isn't doing anything differently than Bush. That's untrue. So either he does or doesn't have something to "do with it." Pick one. Also, I think you're giving much less credit to the Afg'y people than they deserve. Most people in Afg. are not Taliban, so there's no "birth rate" problem. |
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